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And ESL as well.

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This mean with how many alive with an almost complete distirivution or repeats means more than likely someone is lying.

It seems odd that we have 0 confirmed random cops at this point.

Almost as if scum don’t want that block.

The odds are damn near infinitesimal that we don’t have a random cop confirmed at this point so there is something up with the numbers.

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Or we have one sane cop who died SGBA and the other sane cop is scum who lied.

There is absolutely nothing that requires scum to tell the truth in Jingle’s plan.

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That is jingle’s point I am refuting it.

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I townread Titus but she is not and is no where near mechanically confirmed.

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You realize that the odds of Titus being scum by that logic is about 7%, right?

It’s actually a lot higher because all cops would match alignments.

Not sure where you’re getting your numbers from

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You realize that the odds of Titus being scum by that logic is about 7%, right?

It’s actually a lot higher because all cops would match alignments.

Not sure where you’re getting your numbers from

To clarify all cops would match.

A sane would be with sane etc

No conflicts unlike Jingles.

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Yeah there’s a lot of numbers around.

I wouldn’t be surprised if everyone made mistakes. I still think it’s more than 12.8 but I am being lazy atm. It’s Sunday.

Eventually I need to get to my computer and write more formulas. Just don’t wanna atm.

If my head Math is right it’s around 35-40% odds if Jingle is lying. Could be a gambit because of Titus being scumread yesterday and the iso of Almost50 doesn’t spew Titus town st all like I would expect if it did.

Jingle Titus? Is that a thing?

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Jingle would be naive so in that case not lying but Titus would be scum. Almost50 would be random and Titus paranoid.

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One of the two has to be sane or insane in that case, Mark.

So Almost50 would have to be sane Jingle and Titus and would split Naive and paranoid and Random between them.

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No Titus could be insane too in that world. If Jingle is truthtelling then no way he is that slot damn

Lots of options actually

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Maybe I'll case every slot still alive idk

Maybe that's too much effort

Samesies

I should like take every possibility and case it out and then see which ones can’t work cop wise.

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Having potential scum in the town block is never something to brush off.

And I am pretty damn sure you are scum. Like if I had to bet the game on it right now I would I just can’t explain it.

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I am debating taking you up on your offer Jingle.

Link me to a scum game you consider met indicative?

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Preferably one you won and especially one where you got to end game and won.

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Get people to start caring enough and I'll hop back over. I don't care who gets lynched today as long as it's one of Eddie/JJH

You see, I am the conftown. You don't care to do anything. I found scum yesterday and was retaliated on. You are just wanting your pet lynch that you promoted apathy for.

But if we were lynching for causing apathy, Mark has you beat. It's not a large pool, back off of town.

No you aren’t conf town.

You as scum like to conf town yourself.

I really get a bad vibe from you.

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I don't see how saying c unt is an asset to the town. I don't see why you'd defend the conduct or tell me to ignore it and focus on another head. If someone wants to talk to me they can. However, condoning such behavior makes me disdain the slot as a whole. Since D1 is a crapshoot, focusing there is as good as any. Doubly so when the resistance is unfounded.

I'm not condoning the behavior (although my personal belief is that ascribing power to words is silly and we should work on reducing the inherent power in "insulting and bad" words rather than their usage, although that is neither important nor relevant in the aspect of this game.) I'm outright telling you that your behavior is going to have 0 negative impact on the person who you are specifically intending it to impact, possibly even validating his behavior in his eyes because you are allowing it to effect you, and a negative impact on largely innocent bystanders. A more reasonable reaction is to ignore the post by the person who has already checked out of the game and play mafia with the people who are here to play mafia instead of trying to punish someone whom you literally have no power to punish. And I believe you to be a largely reasonable person who will see the logic in that.

And is it time for grand sweeping statements about relationships now?

Titus and ETL are not both scum.

Pun and ETL are not both scum.

Roughly 80% that one of the three is, though.

Are you aware that your RVs here matches the RVS in your scum meta?

In the town one you are a shotgun.

Here and in the scum one you’re more reactionary.

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So, are we going to get a solid plan for us to follow at night or are we going to do an "each for their own"? In other words, who should I check?

I'm still waiting on Creature-Tell-coinesseurs to let me know if that's 100%.

If it is, there's been minimal resistance to my plan and everyone has shut up since my most recent explanations, so that hydra-thing.

If not, that's where the townhunting comes in.

@Pun- reread 356. That's where I'm pretty sure Titus/ETL isn't scum/scum.

Here I am intrigued.

You say there is one scum in Titus/ETL/Pun but then talk with Pun as if they are a townread and now if I follow you correctly pun is once again a townread making this three/three town which goes against your prior statement.

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reread 356. That's where I'm pretty sure Titus/ETL isn't scum/scum.

I don’t see it. It feels more like SvS to me. 356

Your red pm might have something to do with that but what do I know since I am not fighting or getting others to do what I want since I have a life.

@Almost Plans have been discussed in thread.

lol

Lynch this pls

This is the same sentiments I had.

See I can’t keep shaking this feeling it’s Jingle Titus.

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Almost50 ,

Porkens (3)

Draynth , Gorkington , Titus ,

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Ginngie , Stop Getting Banned Again , Punreader , EspeciallyTheLies , eddie , Porkens , L-1

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Jingle ,

Day one deadline is Wednesday May 9, 6 PM PST. (expired on 2018-05-09 18:00:00)

With 13 alive it takes 7to lynch!

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Looking back at this vote count here, assuming Jingle’s townread of ETL is accurate then the only potential scum on this wagon would be Eddie and pun. Keep in mind Jingle was on the wagon at the start then got off.

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You're not immune to making misplays. Just because you draw an alignment doesn't mean you know how to nail the interaction.

This tells me you already know for a fact that Jingle is town, and probably Titus. Trying to make Jingle question his ability to read two people he's pretty damn close to is just nasty scum tactics.

ACTUALLY....

THIS IS SO MUCH BETTER...

This tells me you know TWO THINGS:

1) Jingle is town and
2) TITUS IS SCUM WITH YOU

That's why you're so confident Jingle is "making misplays".

Holy shit. What a slip!

Why did this not have a punreader vote/wagon follow it?

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We can talk about things that aren't results or plans now, although obv no one should hammer or put anyone in hammer range before I can talk at length.

Well in that case.

The Ginngie kill is strange. If you iso her, there are four possible conclusions to come from it.

1. I am pun who killed her. (I personally know this to not be the case. Unfortunately since I have no proof, that means I may need to be lynched before lylo.)
   
2. Someone who is pun in this game knows I would killer her as pun and decided to frame me for it in spite of me playing on an alt. (I will list the players who could do this in a moment. It is a very short list.)
   
3. Someone who is pun in this game has experience with her to know of her skills.
   
4. Or someone who is pun off of the content she posted felt threatened.

Let's go off of these in reverse order.

The only player who Ginngie really pushed this game as pun with any strength is Titus; if you look at her iso, it is fairly apparent that she was pushing Titus harder than any other player. This would make Titus pun. I find this the most likely.

The list of players with experience with Ginngie is PenguinPower, Gorkington, Nosferatu, eddie, and Titus. In which case, within those 5 names you have a minimum of 1 scum, potentially up to three. This would give Titus fairly good odds of being pun. This is the second-most-likely.

The list of players with the aptitude to know I would kill Ginngie is limited to eddie and Titus. In which case, within those two names you have a minimum of one scum, possibly two. This would give Titus a 50% chance minimum of being pun. This I admit is quite unlikely, but it is not altogether impossible.

By the nightkill, she would thus be the player most likely to be pun.

Beyond that, she is incredibly likely to be pun thanks to the nature of how late-D1 unfolded, something I will explain at another time.

She should have been the lynch yesterday and she still should be the lynch today.

I agree with this with further retrospect.

If we don’t lynch Jingle today which IMHO we should then we should lynch pun check Jingle.

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I am checked out too and don’t care tbh

Everyone trusts my scum reads so I will just vote whoever at deadline if we don’t have a lynch.

Would take Jingle up on Jingle’s offer but no one else will so it’s kinda empty.

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That won’t happen Eddie.

Just gonna have to wait and for now accept the most protown thing I can do is hammer a lynch at EOD so we have one. It’s rather disheartening.

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And who are we copping?

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the most protown thing I can do is hammer a lynch at EOD so we have one

It's a plurality game, which means the largest wagon when day ends is the lynch.

At least that is something :/

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And who are we copping?

my choice would be whichever of pun and jj we dont lynch. I would also accept nos. yknow. the person we want to lynch tomorrow is probably best, and we could get another inno like the one that saved titus. and if we do pun, I would also accept me as a cop on a town flip though wouldn't overly advocate for it.

Lovely.

Those choices all well suck.

Are you sure we all just can’t do Jingle to remove the paranoia?

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.....Let’s not start this up again

I really think Jingle is scum with Titus/ETL/Ank

So fmpov I will keep trying to lynch Jingle.

So Jingle to me is the most likely lynch because I hope people will one day listen

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Titus can be scum if and only if Jingle is

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on a scale from 1-10 how likely is a titus/jingle scumteam in the case of scum!jingle

7.5

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And that should be Jingle yes.

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OTM

What happens to your reads if JJH flips scum? or Eddie flips scum?

Would have to re-evaluate at that point.

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If/when another scum flips I will reevaluate at that point.

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It depends on whoever else flips scum.

I have given information til people were screaming OTM shut up.
Now that I am shutting up you’re like talk?

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And right now there just isn’t :/

I explained how everyone is spewed town that is being pushed and people just keep pushing there so it’s like ...whatever

Me talking creates more posts people don’t want to read.

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And right now there just isn’t :/

I explained how everyone is spewed town that is being pushed and people just keep pushing there so it’s like ...whatever

Me talking creates more posts people don’t want to read.

OTM

I think the issue with your reads this game is that you're attributing your reads to very specific one-off things instead of looking at the context of the entire game and basing reads off that.

You're very very off base this game, but I don't think you're necessarily scum for it. If you absolutely have to, read through the entire game and see where your head is at afterwards.

I did those things already and reached where I am at.

Why would rereading the same information reach a different conclusion?

I am going to work.

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It’s plurality. You don’t need me.

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You realize that the same logic can be applied to mine except stronger, right?

btw we're approaching four days until deadline

we need to start consolidating on a singular plan

Lynch whoever the fuck you want and cop Jingle or Ank or ETL or Titus sounds good to me.

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Because we’re not lynching in my scumreads no matter what I say I don’t really care :/

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Looks like it. Tbh, I'd also be willing to lynch On the Mark.

Titus is scum. She breathes conversation as town.

As scum if no one is talking she lurks like the rest.

Will read Jingle’s wall tomorrow.

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The entire A50/eddie fight spews eddie as town .....

you aren't erratic and nonsensical nor do you have your thing

1- Being erratic almost always come with a planned bluff. What bluff do you think I could pull here? Claim a PR when I'm just a VT??

2- Being nonsensical comes with closed or at least half-open setups. I could theorize about roles then. What exactly is there in this setup to theorize about?

What I have is what I've given. We need to wait for the second night check results to decide on the living players sanities. There's not way to work around that.

You want erratic and nonsensical? How about "we probably lost our 2 sane cops already"? Or -in a more general form- we lost 2 of the 4 "reliable" Cops (be them sane or insane). And we are probably lynching a third and then we lose the 4th one tonight and we have no more reliable checks.

How about: "Scum lied about their night results"? Would that make you happy? The question is what good does throwing such possibilities around bring for the town? It doesn't. Not yet. So I prefer not to be a distraction until I have an idea of what I'm talking about. I keep these possibilities in the back of my mind (and in text file on my PC) and WAIT for the right time to propose them after having thoroughly investigated them myself, and I cannot investigate them before I get the N2 check results at the nearest.

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I already did.

The fight they had spews Eddie town.

It’s more likely you’re trying to save him.

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Eddie is mad because now there's three people who have caught how team.

Then put your money where your mouth is?

If Eddie flips town, then we lynch Jingle tomorrow.

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I already did.

The fight they had spews Eddie town.

It’s more likely you’re trying to save him.

ank ismt xcum, hes redacted word I'll get in trouble for saying

Sorry brain issue
Jingle trying to save A50 is more likely horrible context.

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And Ank is a she.

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Eddie is mad because now there's three people who have caught how team.

Then put your money where your mouth is?

If Eddie flips town, then we lynch Jingle tomorrow.

@Ank are you that sure Eddie is scum?

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Eddie is mad because now there's three people who have caught how team.

Then put your money where your mouth is?

If Eddie flips town, then we lynch Jingle tomorrow.

I'm... Voting his partner?

And I am saying you aren’t.

If a town flip comes up today then we lynch Jingle tomorrow.

Do you agree with this?

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I'd rather decide with my townreads, thanks.

And if your townreads are leading you astray?

You say you are confident it is Eddie and Pun.

I am telling you put your money where your mouth is.

If it’s a town flip we cop Titus lynch Jingle.

If it isn’t a townflip we go with majority plan.

It’s the best of both worlds.

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I'd rather decide with my townreads, thanks.

And if your townreads are leading you astray?

You say you are confident it is Eddie and Pun.

I am telling you put your money where your mouth is.

If it’s a town flip we cop Titus lynch Jingle.

If it isn’t a townflip we go with majority plan.

It’s the best of both worlds.

No. We are not lynching Jingle or wasting more cops on me. The stalemate on Eddie Pun suggests one is right and the other wrong. We lynch one cop the other.

It suggests nothing of the sort.

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Ugh I need a vote count.

The jist is this.

Y’all can have whoever you want. If it flips town I am copping Jingle or Titus period.

There is no way I am gonna be able to convince you guys so I am saying hit scum here I will sheep.

Otherwise I will be proven right that all those slots are town.

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If Jingle having all this influence to lynch whoever Jingle wants can’t lynch scum Jingle is scum. I don’t follow scum plans.

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Blah blah words words

Jingle Titus.

I posted where the spewage occured.

Blah blah fucks given zero since no one listens

Elaborate prod dodge

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Meh still fucks given zero.

Guess I will cop Jingle.

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mark how often do you successfully peg scum!titus upon replacing into a game? Seems like it doesn't go that well for you usually.

Pretty well actually.

I can grab some games if you want.

It’s at the start I am somewhat bad.

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mark how often do you successfully peg scum!titus upon replacing into a game? Seems like it doesn't go that well for you usually.

Pretty well actually.

I can grab some games if you want.

It’s at the start I am somewhat bad.

really? feels like you just always think titus is scum.

Nah I’ve townread her too.

She’s too quiet to be town.

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no acknowledgment that your case is completely bullshit? cool cool.

(ye lynch jj cop jingle is cool I'll vote jj tomorrow if it's not hammered yet)

This is an agreeable compromise.

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I realize that this isn't game content so I will post again tonight after my current obligation ends, but this is a story too thematically appropriate to pass on:
Just today, I was absentmindedly driving. I was going 43 in a 35mph zone, and spotted a cop car. Most people would, rationally, slow down. I just owned it, maintaining my speed as the cop car pulled out behind me. I kept speeding as if nothing was wrong.

...

The cop let me go.

No pulling over at all. I sped right in front of him, but he let me go as if he didn't notice or care.

I may be a real life pun player.

It was probably just a naive cop, pun.

Lol I needed this thank you. Makes me wish you were town.

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VOTE: jj

Remember we are copping Jingle

[OnTheMark]

We are copping OTM. We are lynching Pun.

Even if scum lynch JJ, we cop OTM. In no circumstances, do we waste cops on Jingle.

~Conftowm

.....You’re not conf town.
Jingle even said so in the revised math.

And if you are town you’d be giving reads or something useful.

We’re copping Jingle lynching jjh. You scared?

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sigh

I'll reassess tomorrow if I'm still alive

Let's just lynch jjh and cop jingle I guess

Fine with me. Copping me still remains an objectively bad idea, but I'm too tired of this shit to argue against it anymore.

VOTE: JJ

no acknowledgment that your case is completely bullshit? cool cool.

(ye lynch jj cop jingle is cool I'll vote jj tomorrow if it's not hammered yet)

And me.

That is what we are doing Titus.

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Titus scum doesn’t do that Ank :/ you’re talking with a stump.

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Do you understand why this is pissing me off

Sure do.

However there are only some things I can change and others I can’t.

I only focus on what I can change.

About midway through this day it became clear more words were entirely unhelpful from me.

Titus is scum being inactive. If she was town she would demand her way and tunnel it
Jingle is scum for demanding Titus town.

I can’t get you guys to see it :/ So I will wait as this mislynch happens.

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So we’re still doing lynch jjh cop Jingle.

I am 100% telling you if you break the compromise I am keeping my vote on Jingle and copping Jingle.

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I ask again, can someone quote the sheet with all of the actions and results please?

When I get home

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how is that a compromise?

It’s so my vote is on someone in that pool.

It’s a compromise if I don’t vote park Jingle and call it a day.

[OnTheMark]

I found a really funny part on Reddit so I am no longer in a mood

Please share it. I am in a “mood”.

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Police Academy Mafia Sane? Insane? Paranoid? Naive? Random? N1 Target N1 Result N2 Target N2 Flip
OTM M X X M M SGBA Town Titus Town
WotC X M M X M Jingle Scum - -
Ank M X X M M SGBA Town Titus Town
Porkens M M M M M - - - -
Jingle M X X M M SGBA Town Titus Town
JJ X M M X M SGBA Scum Ank Scum
Titus X M M X M SGBA Scum ETL Scum
Nos X M M X M SGBA Scum Pun Scum
Ginngie M M M M M - - - -
Almost50 M M M M M SGBA Town - -
ESL M M M M M SGBA Scum Titus Scum
Eddie M M M M M SGBA Town Titus Town
Pun X M M X M SGBA Scum Titus Scum

Sorry, missed the title column the first time.

I think Jingle did this assuming Titus town.

I am too tired to grab my laptop.

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But I will compile all the possible pairs overnight if I get time.

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Yeah nope.

Prod dodge this thread has fucked with my brain.

If I find myself before I return please find me and have me post something because this thread makes about as much sense as my prod dodge does.

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Warning extreme sarcasm ahead

Yeah nope.

Prod dodge this thread has fucked with my brain.

If I find myself before I return please find me and have me post something because this thread makes about as much sense as my prod dodge does.

Mark, if you're town, not getting your way does not mean it is senseless. Jjh is wagoned because he hasn't put out content when he subbed in which I blame you for btw. While I disagree with Ank fullstop, that's essentially what it boils down to.

You on the other hand are systemically spamming this thread with something that has little to no chance at being true mathmatically and are claiming we make no sense. There comes a point where you have to understand people on a deeper level than what you are doing. To listen to them.

Yes it’s clearly my fault jjh isn’t providing content. I sent a worm to his computer and caused his keyboard to delete any and all messages to this thread only and instead send them to big brother who filters them then posts them back only if they make me look ridiculous.

Congratulations! You figured out my dastardly plot!

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i'll be around to hammer by the way

we are copping Jingle

cya in 10 hours after work

No we are copping OTM. Can people stop attempting to change the plan? This is why there is no cohesion. We get a plan that accomodates everyone and everything and someone changes because they aren't getting 100% of what they want.

Lynch Pun, Cop OTM. If Pun town, lynch jjh.

That’s never been and will not be the plan.

Quit changing the plan while complaining people are.

We are copping Jingle.

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That is the majority plan.

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Lol I am seeing Titus scum from when she flailed after a bad hammer.

She doesn’t want Jingle copped.

*yawns*

More work for me

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Titus

You had a lot of time to sway us to your point of view, even before today

She didn’t try until we agreed we would cop Jingle.

That should say something.

[OnTheMark]

She also never tried to express her reads.

As conf town if town she’d be concerned with dying.

Instead she sat back and watched us tear each other to shreds.

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She also never tried to express her reads.

As conf town if town she’d be concerned with dying.

Instead she sat back and watched us tear each other to shreds.

This is a load of lies.

You still haven't answered who is scum if Jingle and I are town?

Because it’s wholly unnecessary.

If that’s the case game becomes auto win because Jingle is being copped and if Jingle is town Jingle has hard town reads on me ETL and you. So then the team is in nos and eddie and pun. Which goes against all of my current reads.

I mean I doubt it but that team loses every time. I mean even if you assume I am the town idiot then the NKs that are done would then change my reads.

Or a critical flaw exposes itself and we find that flaw and squish it.

If Jingle is town it’s like GG. I am not worried about that case.

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What I am worried about is Jingle scum steamrolling and you being the ally.

The reason I am worried is because you’re using dishonest and just frankly wrong ideas to attack me.

1) I used math. Actually it was Jingle I was talking with him on it.
2) You said I said a bunch of lies. You’ve been close to prod range most of the day til copping Jingle.
3) You suggested copping me as if copping me would make me less of an idiot if town and worried if scum. Like copping me in almost any game has zero effect. I have gotten three mislynches in a row as literal mod confirmed have to die before lylo scum and won. Another game I spent trolling and then just hammered when town fucked up and a third I almost won in lylo as 100% shit you not mod confirmed scum. (He made a mistake and I ran with it as he was a new mod)
4) Accusing me of being stubborn. Yes I am stubborn in my reads but I AM compromising. Jjh lynch is that compromise with cop Jingle.

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This tells me Pun is scum...?

This tells me you're absolutely abysmal at VCA if you think this indicates anything other than there being dueling town wagons?

Look where Almost50 was.

Almost50 was staying off of both wagons.

Why was he off of both wagons?

Because he didn't have a punbuddy at risk of being lynched.

This is VCA 101.

Nom nom vca nom nom I eat VCA 101 for breakfast as scum. It’s a good thing for you I am not and I agree with the premise

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The scumteam is Eddie/{JJ/MaybeNos}

WHY EDDIE

Perhaps if you isoed Jingle, Ankamius, and myself you would see our collective cases as all three of us have tackled why eddie is pun on numerous occasions from different angles. Shall I quote them all for you? (This would take time which I'm short on at the moment but I can get it within 6 hours if you ask.)

Punreader I believe this solves itself.

If my townread on eddie is wrong and he is to borrow your words pun, then this will come out in the cop checks.

I has ebil plan to catch the scums.

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Oh wow. Punreader recycles a complaint that jj is apathetic and is doing nothing. We all know that.

How about giving new content yourself? Oh wait. You can't even say the word scum.

I understand what you're saying, but Jingle is not overly townie and I can relate to that too so you're not going to get any support from me on that front. I'm more concerned with their active threat to gamethrow, but copping Jingle is A OK in my books anyways,

I could just lynch Pun but there aren't enough votes.

You know this game uses plurality votes right?
And that Jingle was the sole reason I wasn't lynched?

Oh...I am aware. It’s why I am scumreading you both and then writing a program overnight to determine potential cops and likelihoods and then throwing it in and seeing who can be partners with who assuming all town honesty.

Beep beep oh no robots will take over the universe aaaaaaaahhhhhh

Not the Townie not the townie

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Titus, you need to accept that Math is town.

I am accepting of that possibility if you read my posts. Their illogical and unfounded vendetta against lock-town is ridiculously so far anti-town they must be sorted. They refuse to even consider the fact Jingle is town and has been since d2.

Mark does this in every town or scum game though. I'd just ignore them but their spam has caused some to argue to waste cops.

Again...You’re not lock town.

Please stop repeating this as if it makes it all of a sudden true.

[OnTheMark]

Due to need for replacement, day three deadline is Wednesday June 6, 9 PM PST. (expired on 2018-06-06 21:00:00). Should no replacement be found by then, that will be considered end of day phase.

@mod: Since we have punreader what is the deadline?

[OnTheMark]

Punreader

Screaming at scum doesn’t make them town.

Please talk with me and let’s have a conversation with sleepy Mark.

Assume it is jjh/eddie how do you explain the day two VCA and the fight between A50 and Eddie?

[OnTheMark]

Votecount 2.04

Titus (3)

Punreader , EspeciallyTheLies , eddie ,

Nosferatu (3)

Jingle , Almost50 , Stop Getting Banned Again ,

Almost50 (4)

Ankamius , Nosferatu , Gorkington , Titus , L-2

Not Voting (1)

Draynth ,

Day two deadline is Thursday May 24, 6 PM PST. (expired on 2018-05-24 18:00:00). With 11 alive it's 6 to lynch!

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch!

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Specifically here and ...

[OnTheMark]

Votecount 2.02

Titus (4)

Punreader , Stop Getting Banned Again , EspeciallyTheLies , eddie , L-2

Nosferatu (4)

Jingle , Titus , Almost50 , Nosferatu , L-2

Not Voting (5)

Draynth , Ankamius , Porkens , Gorkington , Ginngie ,

Not Voting (3)

Draynth , Ankamius , Gorkington ,

Day two deadline is Thursday May 24, 6 PM PST. (expired on 2018-05-24 18:00:00). With 11 alive it's 6 to lynch!

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch!

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Votecount 2.03

Titus (4)

Punreader , Stop Getting Banned Again , EspeciallyTheLies , eddie , L-2

Nosferatu (4)

Jingle , Titus , Almost50 , Nosferatu , L-2

Almost50 (1)

Ankamius ,

Not Voting (2)

Draynth , Gorkington ,

Day two deadline is Thursday May 24, 6 PM PST. (expired on 2018-05-24 18:00:00). With 11 alive it's 6 to lynch!

Mod note: vc 2.02 had an error listing two dead players as having votes but not voting. This is now corrected.

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch!

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[OnTheMark]

Ank is most likely town using Punreader VCA here

No reason to drive a bus on Almost50 in that gamestate

So then continuing that line of thought then if Titus is town the jjh/Gork slot is the one off the wagon and therefore is pun.

[OnTheMark]

Also take a look at how much care Almost50 has for saying Titus is town. It’s almost like it’s preprogrammed and he stays away from the Titus wagon and on Nos.

Someone who (Nos I love you as a person) posts very little and isn’t influential. How did Nos get to that point over Titus?

If I use Punreader VCA style it says Titus/jjh which seems really odd to me in my gut.

[OnTheMark]

Why would anyone throw anyone anything if jjh flips the alignment opposite of what is expected?

If jjh flips town there are things like cop and night results to take into account as well as NKA.

Why are you so determined despite being wrong on all of your previous reads to lynch pun? You have not reassessed all game and only started speaking when jjh/cop Jingle became a thing. Why?

[OnTheMark]

The game is really simple when you look at who is afraid of seeing that Hydra and I differ in alignment. That's your scumteam.

Because 3 scum in a mini all pile onto one wagon

yeah, no dice

*shrug* Just because it is unlikely doesn't make it false.

Furthermore you and Jingle (more you) are adamantly pushing you’re town because “odds” not play.

Yet here you adamantly say “oh hey just because it’s unlikely doesn’t make it false”

Which is it? If it’s unlikely isn’t allowed you need to revisit your shit.

If it is allowed you aren’t conf!town and therefore your play suspicious as hell is analyzed

[OnTheMark]

That's why when you pissed on my solution, I dug my heels in. As conftown, I can try to stop the trainwreck.

solution = compromise

...You didn't pop in and try to push your compromise until we had literally already reached one.

I may be a stubborn asshole, but at least I am a stubborn consistent asshole.

I gotta go to work.

[OnTheMark]

.....

I have been saying Jingle Titus long before the suggestion of pun or jjh.

Yay Titus wants to quit rehashing the timeline because she is scum.

I am not wrecking the town block I am merely compromising so people see how scummy you and Jingle both are.

If they say you are both town by play and analyze it instead of math then so be it.

[OnTheMark]

The game is really simple when you look at who is afraid of seeing that Hydra and I differ in alignment. That's your scumteam.

Because 3 scum in a mini all pile onto one wagon

yeah, no dice

*shrug* Just because it is unlikely doesn't make it false.

Furthermore you and Jingle (more you) are adamantly pushing you’re town because “odds” not play.

Yet here you adamantly say “oh hey just because it’s unlikely doesn’t make it false”

Which is it? If it’s unlikely isn’t allowed you need to revisit your shit.

If it is allowed you aren’t conf!town and therefore your play suspicious as hell is analyzed

Oh look another lie by Mark. I've said Jingle town bc he doesn't argue to cop me to save me as scum nor do two scum wk me but I guess that's not play.

I need to revisit playing with you because you cause a 90% town loss rate because you always wreck any townblock you are not in.

I admit I suck

at times

.

I play this to get better.

And I am in the town block Titus.

I am also swingy and can provide games where I have nailed 5+ scum in a row

If you really think I am town and BAD instead of yelling I suck or “reevaluate” or shoving why you think I am wrong down my throat you’d actually teach.

[OnTheMark]

That's why when you pissed on my solution, I dug my heels in. As conftown, I can try to stop the trainwreck.

solution = compromise

...You didn't pop in and try to push your compromise until we had literally already reached one.

This nonsense again. We had a pun lynch. We had everything planned. Mark comes in. Spams Jingle Titus, you accomodate him even though we have matmatical near proof of him being anti-town.

Let's stop rehashing the timeline. You aren't convincing me Mark didn't just go along with wrecking the townblock bc that's what he did and does everyday.

Just give me some help on actually sorting him when jjh flips town. If you can't do that, I have zero hope of you ever lynching scum because you'll dismiss whatever I say bc spam or excuse of the moment.

Where the hell were you when we were hashing this out? I literally forged that compromise because nothing was happening for multiple days at a time and it was the best way I could see to both get the lynch I wanted and get town to be more synced up in the future.

Nobody gave a shit, so I took the lead and MADE people give a shit.

And now I do. Thanks btw I really gotta go.

[OnTheMark]

hammering in an hour or two finish up folks

Just do it.

And when jj flips town, we cop Mark. We lynch Pun tomorrow.

Just do it.

And no matter what jj flips we cop Jingle as we agreed. Putting things in bold while I am afk (and still am for the most part doesn’t change the agreement

[OnTheMark]

I got scum on Jingle so I am random or sane.

Odds of random imho are low.

VOTE: Jingle

Catching up on the thread.

[OnTheMark]

i will say you're right and the kill does implicate OTM

still believe that slots town though. interesting you townread me more than pun now? and jingle more than me even with us 1v1ing each other?

...If I am scum I literally let Titus scream it.

She would have zero influence ever. The argument would let scum me hide and everyone else bicker.

The Titus kill is just silly :/ I don’t see why.

[OnTheMark]

Morning

I got town on Titus.

Mafia on Titus.

Town on Titus.

Hey Titus...

Moonlogic Twin Powers Activate?

town on titus

s

Town. Gnight all.

scum on titus

Scum result on the above

i got scum on sgba.

town sgba

Scum result SGBA.

Town result on SGBA

scum on sgba

i got scum on sgba.

My check on SGBA returned Town

Town result.

Maybe just don't do anything for now...

We can talk about things that aren't results or plans now, although obv no one should hammer or put anyone in hammer range before I can talk at length.

I can't talk at length until at least Saturday, more likely Sunday.

@smith: V/LA until Saturday.

Town result on sgba

I got town on Jingle

we received a scum result on jingle

can someone find the rest i can't

@Eddie I will post all that in the morning.

[OnTheMark]

btw, our current math is jingle is 80%+ likely scum from results

need the rest though

7 living players

5 of the 6 results on jingle are 100% coming from town, and its very likely there's dead random cop(s) based on the Titus result

so basically, what i'm saying is we will effectively have jingle sorted

Actually it’s not indicative til I can plug it in.

It’s a matter of if Jingle scum I am probably sane and we win.

If Jingle town we know I am random and then can break all the other cops and go from there.

With how Jingle gave up when ETL was lynched and he’d be copped it kinda feels like a scum resign.

[OnTheMark]

thank you

@anyways,
we are quickly establishing jingle's scum, isn't Ank the only one out of 4 people that has repeating results?

Hold on.

While I did scumread Jingle I am tipsy and need time to do this right.

There is one scum in all of us and we need to know who Jingle checked and why.

[OnTheMark]

plus I think Punreader kills ETL n3

Well for a start I don't kill Stop Getting Banned Again N2, but N3 would indeed not be Titus. Jingle, you, and ETL are all far better kills.

Still think this is the solution.
VOTE: eddie.

If the game doesn't end, the obvious cop for tonight would be me.

Interesting.

So then you would call me a random cop then in that case?

[OnTheMark]

Because anyone not voting Jingle is saying that

I randomly got sgba as town and was right
Randomly got Titus town and was right
And got Jingle scum wrong

Odds of that are 1/8.

It’s more likely Jingle is scum. The only way Jingle isn’t scum is if that I am a random cop.

Do you agree Pun?

[OnTheMark]

I got scum on Jingle so I am random or sane.

Odds of random imho are low.

The odds of you being a random cop are LITERALLY THE SAME AS THE ODDS OF YOU BEING ONE OF THE OTHERS. Read the fucking OP.

Also, no.

plus I think Punreader kills ETL n3

Well for a start I don't kill Stop Getting Banned Again N2, but N3 would indeed not be Titus. Jingle, you, and ETL are all far better kills.

Still think this is the solution.
VOTE: eddie.

If the game doesn't end, the obvious cop for tonight would be me.

If the game doesn’t end on Jingle lynch I am confirmed random. Result would be useless.

I compromised on jjh please compromise on Jingle with me and we see if I am sane.

[OnTheMark]

The SGBA death is explained by a fear kill of possible sane SGBA
Jingle’s horrible a50 defense and trying to take control to ensure Jingle would never be copped
Jingle giving up at the end when the dog pile on jjh and the compromise cop on him kinda meant game over.

Jingle not posting

I am kinda good calling this Jingle scum. If not I am a wee bit lost at this point.

[OnTheMark]

Jingle tried to push against me when A50 was going down, it makes sense now in the sense of I had pushed down one scum partner and had the other as my top scum read

It makes sense that Jingle wanted to stop me

But then why the fuck kill SGBA

cuz they got scum on Jingle and he couldn't risk having them show town on Titus along with other parity results.

VOTE: Jingle

It’s why Jingle kept arguing with me and tried to take control of the game to do the less than optimal thing of not copping the same person over and over. SgBA was gonna die like I called it.

Omg I did a right thing

*dances*

I wasn’t completely horrible.

(P.s. Sorry Titus I thought you were scum with Jingle and not JJH due to Titus always defends scumbuddies)

[OnTheMark]

If the game for some miraculous reason doesn’t end cops on punreader.

[OnTheMark]

Titus was probably killed simply because no one would ever lynch her.

[OnTheMark]

Nah, its on Nos mate. Nos is more questionable than Pun at this point.

But, I'm very confident its Jingle.

Nos is spewed town from a50 fight.

Pun wants the cops on them. Anyone wanting to be checked freaking gets it when sanities are damn near solved.

[OnTheMark]

Titus actually could have gone to bat for Jingle but then everyone would have asked why she was alive as confTown which then points a finger at Jingle scum.

Jingle had to be the kill.

Is it bad that I am relieved you guys finally see Jingle scum?

[OnTheMark]

Nah, its on Nos mate. Nos is more questionable than Pun at this point.

But, I'm very confident its Jingle.

Nos is spewed town from a50 fight.

Pun wants the cops on them. Anyone wanting to be checked freaking gets it when sanities are damn near solved.

Pun wants me lynched and the cop on them, thats an important distinction. they've been godawful this game so I don't really care what they want.

Please It was assumed I was god awful til I wasn’t.

Punreader is a fear check for me.
Nos I can read in late game easy due to having been late game scum with nos before

[OnTheMark]

Gg all yayayayay.

[OnTheMark]

I just wish I had more charisma than a paper bag :/

[OnTheMark]

The main thing was just blocking the two mislynches on day two

That's what really swung the game I think

Agreed Almost50 was obvious.

It kinda formed the basis for the rest of my reads.

[OnTheMark]

The funny thing is despite my instance on wrong people with Jingle I never once voted town lol.

[OnTheMark]

GG. Mark guessed right once. Town dodged a bullet and got lucky.

Caught A50 and Jingle is not guessing right once :/

I know I suck usually but I wasn’t terrible

[OnTheMark]

FTR, I almost never shoot ETL (it's actually a REALLY good argument for me to be town if she dies), the setup spec was definitely the correct choice for town given specifically the 6/5 investigation split because that meant we more likely than not had random cop deaths on L1 and N1 (which I neglected to mention because mentioning that had the potential to take OTM off of their setup spec tunnel which was causing a lot of the confusion/dysfunction in the thread), and I kind of shot myself in foot by defending A50 instead of bussing.

Ank was definitely the scariest member of the town, and her replacement was the beginning of the end for us, because that's when I started losing control of the thread.

The nightkills were pretty simple. Ging was a wildcard without much presence and with less lynchability. Killing there kept all of the big 1v1s alive, didn't throw suspicion on any member of my team and did have the chance of making someone push pun (yeah, I knew about the Ging pun relationship going into the game.)

Ank didn't die because that was as good as hanging a sign around gork's neck reading "LYNCH HERE!" Additionally, I was fairly confident in my ability to get the townread from her. SGBA on the other hand was no longer providing and background noise I could hide behind, tn can be a scary fuck, and 23 people is a lot of eyes that could choose to take a look at the thread and screw me. Of course, only like 4 of the people in the hydra were likely to do so, but...

The last nightkill really didn't matter too much. I had to kill in the conftown and the people who had previously investigated people as scum, to keep the odds of getting an accurate result on me minimal. My only hope at that point was lynching both pun and eddie, an uphill battle to say the least, and insane luck on the cop end of the spectrum. Basically though, I knew I was fucked when A50 flipped. At that point, I was the perfect bus target for gork/jjh, but neither of them really had the desire to push the thread around or the position to take the game over.

I could not have NOT argued correct townplay in this game. Both ETL and pun would have lynched me D1 for it. The goal was pretty much always to get enough towncred to burn on a mislynch and then let town kill me, inserting paranoia into all of the plans I laid, which were just vague enough to allow town to misunderstand and accidentally screw themselves over.

Further, Eddie/pun and OTM/Titus/SGBA all needed to stay alive as long as possible to keep the town from organizing around anyone other than me.

Also, worth noting is that Eddie's logic on me (BoP) was hilariously bad, but fighting back on it would have been counterproductive. I loltunnel town in pretty much every game I've ever played. Basically, my scumreads are easily the worst part of my townplay. My townreads are really only worth their salt when I've done extensive research into the player in question. I may have read a bunch of your games (I will neither confirm nor deny that I have ,) but you were never the target of my meta-ing.

Oh. And I outright lied about my tell on Mulch being an Elli tell. We did discuss his play briefly in the modchat, but I compiled my reasoning there all on my own. The thing that he did that made him locktown in this game, FWIW, is agree to drop his plan to outpost the hydra early. Mulch thinks that spamposting to demoralize town is a good scum strategy, and he had a legitimate excuse to do so. Letting that drop in order to work with a townread and let said townread pull together other players was possibly the most town thing he could possibly do, when one considers that he had absolutely no pressure to do so other than a single request and no reason to believe it would make townJingle certain he was town.

I feel like there are other things I could go over in regard to this game, but nothing springs to mind. The tl;dr of it is despite the fact that various members of the town did play very well, I feel that Ank was quite clearly the town MVP here. Well done, and congrats on the win

It’s kinda sad I couldn’t really comment as I felt using it either way would be cheating but you trying to push me for backup and I couldn’t remember actually mad me look at your slot.

[OnTheMark]

Ank for town MVP!

[OnTheMark]

I think a warn then ban/freplace Yeah

Some countries don’t have the issue with that word. It’s kinda only an American custom to block it.

[OnTheMark]

I second Ank’s thoughts.

A Lynch on anyone besides Almost50 would have been disastrous.

Titus and I almost always end up disagreeing. She disagreed on Almost50 and Jingle.

Pun I would have thought was a lost cause. Hell I was becoming apathetic towards end of day.

If a50 wasn’t lynched I probably would have just I dunno :/ but blah

[OnTheMark]

can you and Titus agree to not try to read each other in the future please?

-_-

I tried to instant town read her :/

She disappeared :/