Unstable Mafia - Game Over

[Vedith]

VOTE: No Lynch

[Vedith]

I'm n0 watcher and no one visited Worm.

[Vedith]

Can't have him lynched too early.

[Vedith]

You need teacher day 3 for a perfect town win.

[Vedith]

Vedith, one lunch man fan?

Yeah \o/

[Vedith]

lol nice spew of teachers townieness its Pignash we need to kill

Damn, almost!

[Vedith]

Why are you so sure?

[Vedith]

@TL

[Vedith]

[Vedith]

[Vedith]

So you DID know I was coming!

My plan is working out perfectly right now.

[Vedith]

Hi RCE I'm Vedith and I think a no lynch wins us the game D1

[Vedith]

Interesting.

[Vedith]

Imo Overkill wouldn't fake being a cop and in my conclusion must be a cop.

[Vedith]

Next person that says overkill is cop is getting deathtunneled.

Ah shit, didn't see this.

[Vedith]

It is what it is! I don't normally Scum slip so easily.
What if I vote who you think if summer, you keep voting me and then the balance is restored?

[Vedith]

VOTE: DemonLord

[Vedith]

I'm doing my part \o/

[Vedith]

Dr Worm is the most sane player I have ever met!
We should meet his demands!

[Vedith]

I'm not sure that me and Overkill are a thing to side over, so I'll take it as OMGUS.

[Vedith]

0verki11 - youre playing this game at a much different meta than we had about two months ago. Want to talk about the change?

This is probably Scum

[Vedith]

he has a point though, im playing nothing like that game.

Doesn't change that he's probably scum

[Vedith]

pignash is probably Scum too

[Vedith]

Vedith you agree that lich is scum right?

There reason to why I'm reluctant to just calling Scum that I can't discuss yet.
But yes, his actions could be seen as Scum by others.

[Vedith]

I actually believe Worm.
The only downside is of Scum have a counter to it then calling out all the VTs is bad.

[Vedith]

CRAYZ and CRAZY are the SAME WORD!!

That's mental.
Dr Worm, we're friends by now right? Right!
You should vote DemonLord at least until your role is decided or discussed more.
If anything it can get the game moving into a decent wagon.

Then we can continue this great friendship that we have \o/

[Vedith]

Almost wouldn't be self conscious as either align.
It's NAI.

[Vedith]

What's a Scum lynch? On you?
I was voting you already, explain who's Scum jumping on?

[Vedith]

Who the fuck knows.

[Vedith]

Lol surely not.

[Vedith]

Well lets see what happens

[Vedith]

Hello

[Vedith]

I'm probably not the best person to ask.

Overkill TL Worm RCE are most likely town.
DemonLord (you \o/) maybe Scum.
Teach probably Scum
Pignash probably Scum

And that's where I'm at.

[Vedith]

I meant Teacher, phone posting.

[Vedith]

Haven't read the game, Vedith is a wolf.
10/10

[Vedith]

vedith am i a wolf?

I don't use that term but probably not.
I'd lynch probably at least 5 players for you.

[Vedith]

Vedith, call it a soulread. I'll have your alignment worked out by the time I catch up.

[Vedith]

Which 5? Do you think you could tier a full read list out of interest?

Creature and Rooster added.
I could probably do a rainbow read.

[Vedith]

Okay no colour.

RCE
Overkill
Worm
TL
Almost
Volxen
DT
Creature
Rooster
You
Pignash
Teacher

[Vedith]

Don't back peddle now. What can be even remotely seen as town from what I put?

[Vedith]

Don't you want to know why I'm voting you over Teacher and Pignash?

[Vedith]

It hasn't struck me as particularly interesting yet no
please go ahead and share though

Well originally it was for fun with RCE but now it's just an easier lynch the 3.
I'm surprised that some One who originally thought I was Scum wouldn't be concerned why I'm voting them while I have 2 scummier reads. Technically the first vote on you too I believe.

[Vedith]

for clarity: teacher is never lhf

What's lfh?

[Vedith]

Why would that concern me?

pedit: low hanging fruit

Because after all at that stage I was Scum pushing on your wagon, right?
But I understand that you didn't need to work out my motive for doing so as Scum, just easier to say town.

I'm helping \o/

[Vedith]

I hadn't taken more than a cursory glance at the vote count and hadn't processed where anyone's votes were because I'm not particularly interested in my wagon without thread context. I'm a lot more interested in working out what other slots are doing with each other.

So circling back, what exactly do you think I should be concerned about and why do you think it's worrying that I'm not concerned?

Yet you had me as Scum before hand. Then pulled your neck back as soon as the pitchfork didn't direct to me? So in one argument you are saying you Scum read me without reading and the next argument I shouldn't expect you to have a valid reason or think in a mentality of town towards that Scum read of yours?

I'm more pointing out how fake your original read was, and how faker your altered read is.
As town there's no reason for you to ignore my motives if you think I'm Scum.

The real reason is, I said I think you're Scum, you said no u then back peddled.
I gave a list that could have been easily faked day 1 and even before reading anything properly including my posts you take it as town and say that it would be hard to fake.

Faking reads as Scum is the easy part. Giving the reasons aren't. So this is why I think you're entire process is fake and scummy. No town motive behind it at all.

[Vedith]

True, maybe I'm expecting a level of of particular play/actions which are overall not expected by all. I'll see what interaction you have with Lich before clogging this up.
Then I'd be happy to discuss further into your reads I guess.

Your thought process isn't required.

[Vedith]

@mod I will be V/LA until the weekend.

I say he needs to post more and he declares VLA.

Anyone up for a wagon here? I don't want to start a vanity wagon, but if I can find 2-3 others willing to make this a competing wagon I'm all for it.

VOTE: Pignash

Let's go for it.

[Vedith]

Still need to set a couple of hours aside and crunch through this game. But for now, I once again play the solo
VOTE: rosterfoster

What's your reads to date? Given you have more to read up on.

[Vedith]

I like those reads. Did TLs response change where is he for you or was it what you expected?

[Vedith]

Let's see yours Rooster?
Who s town and Scum?

[Vedith]

I think this is town.

However, I do not agree.

You think Pignash is town?

[Vedith]

Scum: Lich

Scummy: Volxen, Teacher-ish

Null: Rest

Town: DT, A50, Rabb

Pedit: He's null. But a wagon there is not productive.

You think Teacher Scum? Stop it you, you're going to make me blush!
Why is Volxen Scum though?

What's not productive about any wagon, let alone a null read?

[Vedith]

Why are you so angry this game?

[Vedith]

Why are you so angry this game?

this is actually a scummy post. i don't see anger in any of my posts. explain what made you think i was angry at all. maybe i am just annoyed that lich is not getting lynched already even though he is literally bleeding scum

Call it what you want, just chill out a bit.
I get it's frustrating but shitting on people for their play or in general regardless doesn't help. I've done it enough in the past to know.

[Vedith]

your opinion on my case

Well I'm obviously going to be biased here as I town read him.
I think you're unintentionally trying to push bad posts from Lich as summer then they are. And this is because A) you see him as Scum and therefore worse or B) you want town to lynch an acceptable mis lynch.

His posts show doubt on his reads which is town for me. His posts don't influence me on your read.

[Vedith]

I don't really think I want Rabbi lynched now.
I do want to discuss with Pignash when back though.

Can you present you case again Rooster?
Keep it small my brain is small.

[Vedith]

Pignash hasn't made me doubt he's Scum.
Reason i was to discuss with them.

[Vedith]

When we were in the back and fourth.

[Vedith]

When we were in the back and fourth.

Did you want to follow up with this DT?

[Vedith]

When Rabbi was posting and called me Scum then said no then I said back peddle and rabbi said no

[Vedith]

Also the VLA should be over now?

[Vedith]

I'm not a VT and I have information that makes pignash very likely to be town aligned.

Hey, all. Back and caught up now.
VOTE: volxen

Rabbi Vole is telling the truth.

Just the entire wording from these 2 shouts Scum at me.

[Vedith]

"They have a good chance as town given my power"
"He's not lying"

Like Wtf?
There is no way I believe that there is a role that makes Pignash nearly confirmed town while showing plausible doubt, but Pignash having the information on Rabbis role being correct/real

[Vedith]

Vedith we're effectively masons.

Effectively isn't actually masons.
Either you are confident 100% that Pignash is town or you're not.

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: Pignash

So why is Voxlen the wagon atm?

[Vedith]

@Vedith- you still haven’t explained why you found me scummy.

I didn't realise you wanted to know.
I just have a strong tell that you're Scum.

Your vote on Volxen with the non caring excuse doesn't make me favour you as anything but Scum either.

[Vedith]

Also, it wasn’t a no caring excuse. I didn’t and don’t have strong scum tingles this game. I like my townreads and was functionally sheeping RCE who I could reliably read as town. It was an ok day one lynch.

That's a no caring excuse though.
It's NAI, but it's no caring.

[Vedith]

I change my mind with Teacher now

[Vedith]

@Vedith - I like your ISO, but Im (not surprisingly) not crazy about your read on me. Can you tell me why Im scum?

Vedith, FYI. (Among others). What’s the supposed tell? It’s off.

I don't get what you're saying here?

[Vedith]

The Dunn kill was odd though and I'm surprised that Pignash or Rabbi wasn't killed.

[Vedith]

The Dunn kill was odd though and I'm surprised that Pignash or Rabbi wasn't killed.

RCE

[Vedith]

Rooster probably town

[Vedith]

Ok so you scumread me on a “tell” but have now changed your mind. What was it?

It's was just gut.

[Vedith]

The Dunn kill was odd though and I'm surprised that Pignash or Rabbi wasn't killed.

One death kind of confirms the other, right? So why would scum kill it rather than have town which clearly doubts the slots do their dirty work. I don’t get the surprise at all.

I disagree.

[Vedith]

Wagon on Rooster looks pretty bad

[Vedith]

I don't think so, no.

[Vedith]

I thought you did even if not VT?

[Vedith]

Did you all know Dr Worm has mentioned this power before? I checked his ISO and it's there.

Also I mid read an early post from you.
\o/

[Vedith]

What's your case on Town!RF?

I don't have one.
Im most likely right though.

[Vedith]

Pignash / Rabbi / x

[Vedith]

yes I'd hard defend my scumbuddy by claiming masons in an apparently-swingy setup that probably has vigs and shit in it
*claps slowly*

case me coward

Not 100% sure masons.
"Case me coward".

[Vedith]

Then you are not a mason.
So why should I take it at face value? If flipped you can just go, well I wasn't 100% sure.

[Vedith]

It just doesn't match up what you're saying.
If you were truly masons you would be confident 100% and on a red flip then show your surprise.
Instead you are preparing for a bad flip by not fully committing

It makes 0 sense.

[Vedith]

Ew

[Vedith]

but I do not have literal mod confirmation that he's town

Then you're not a mason.

[Vedith]

Please address the rest of the post.

I have no need to I think you're talking bollocks here.
If I was mason with x regardless of what else it says I would not be going " Im not 100% sure their town just pretty sure".

It makes no sense.

I know I'm not getting a lynch on either of you 2 today so that's why I'm not voting and looking for your buddy.

[Vedith]

Vedith give it a rest. He's effectively claiming masons.

Well, he's not a mason..
And why should I give it a rest? You asked who I think is Scum and I said who I think is Scum.

[Vedith]

Vedith do something non rolefishing related plssslsls

So you can show doubt on Pignash being town but I can't?
And you're the 'mason' here?

You know what.
I'll probably just stick to just shit posting all day and not Scum hunt if all I'm doing is role fishing.

[Vedith]

But your reason isn't based on anything to do with their play.

Vedith \o/

[Vedith]

\o/

[Vedith]

Also don't shitpost, I like you better when you're not.

\o/

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[Vedith]

I think every player is a null

[Vedith]

I will hammer any player at L1 as everyone is at null

[Vedith]

Yes im a SK. You're too good DT.

[Vedith]

Yes im jester \o/

[Vedith]

Yes TL I am modkill supersaint

[Vedith]

Yes im jester \o/

"I claim scum \o/"

Yes that's me! \o/

[Vedith]

TL is scum.

I agree let's lynch

[Vedith]

Vedith, you are Donald Trump's son?

Yes \o/

[Vedith]

I think DT is Scum can we lynch there?

[Vedith]

Because he got a red pm

[Vedith]

I think Rooster is Scum

[Vedith]

I think Creature is Scum

[Vedith]

Well I now have 108 \o/

[Vedith]

Yay us \o/

[Vedith]

That won't happen because creature is Scum \o/

[Vedith]

I think Rooster is Scum

Why aren't you voting him then?

Because rooster is now null

[Vedith]

Have you met shitposting Vedith?

Hey better than me apparently just role fishing, eh?

[Vedith]

VOTE: Creature

[Vedith]

... Did you soft Cop?

Omg are you role fishing?

[Vedith]

I'm not going to say I have a inno on Creature but my role pm makes no sense if he's Scum here.
No further questions though.

[Vedith]

Almost Scum with TL?

[Vedith]

Creature is town

[Vedith]

I'm pretty sure this one was a shitpost but I'm down to teacherwagon

Are you role fishing?

[Vedith]

Almost Scum with TL?

My own role PM makes no sense if I was scum here.

Almost can't be Scum here \o/

[Vedith]

I'm 3P day vig.

Shoot TL

[Vedith]

If I got Scum Im removed as a win.

[Vedith]

I'm Scum \o/

[Vedith]

Oh you mean TL

[Vedith]

Vedith you claim scum in every post.

Yay \o/

[Vedith]

No lol

[Vedith]

TL don't claim

[Vedith]

I know who you are

[Vedith]

I know who you are

I doubt that

I still know though.

[Vedith]

Can I say or no?

[Vedith]

TheWorst

[Vedith]

I just went by who's been in games with DT \o/

[Vedith]

Me too.

[Vedith]

I'm like his big brother

[Vedith]

[Vedith]

Yeah I used to.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Teacher

[Vedith]

VOTE: Rooster

[Vedith]

VOTE: Teacher

This is a lie.

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: Teacher
Wait it might be true.

[Vedith]

Let me ask mod something

[Vedith]

If Teacher is telling the truth then the actual cop should have 2 clears, if the name didn't appear and it is just has a result of town, I suspect this message would have been sent twice.

[Vedith]

I don't get it. Why 2 clears?

I'm a town mirror.
Targets on me give me the same effect on the target targeting me.
So whoever is the cop, if there is one should have got 2 results back. One for my result and one for Teacher.

[Vedith]

If you're a Mirror, shouldn't YOU get your result? And if you Mirror the incoming action, then you're effectively a rookie Cop last night too. However, if you did get a result then it confirms teacher as some sort of alignment Cop, and since scum don't need an alignment Cop then teacher is TOWN. It certainly doesn't tell us much about your own alignment though.

I didn't get anything. I was advised if the roles do exist that the cop would get both results that's all.

[Vedith]

If I change vote to TL can we talk tonight?

[Vedith]

VOTE: TemporalLich

[Vedith]

This should open up 2 private topics I guess.
One that I'm in the investigation seat and one where you are.

[Vedith]

Well going by my role I'll expect another account made
Yay this is fun \o/

[Vedith]

Me - Town Mirror
Rooster - Town investigator
Teacher - rookie cop
Worm - VT power thing now confirmed no VT left.
Pignash - mason
Rabbi - mason

[Vedith]

A50 could be Scum here trying to get 2 mis lynches.
If I'm ever lynched or killed then I am claiming that what Teacher says matches exactly what mod confirmed to me.
And a side note, mod didn't refuse to answer anything I asked so I highly doubt this.

VOTE: A50

[Vedith]

This actually confirms Scum in me or A50.

[Vedith]

So I am calling A50 a liar here and he would have got 2 votes.
Lynch is in me or A50 today.

[Vedith]

2 results

[Vedith]

Mod confirmed 100% cop would get 2 votes in this situation.
Mod never once said he can't give information to my questions.

A50 is lying.

[Vedith]

No because A50 is trying to say mod refused to answer things.
He's a lot better at asking and wording things than me so I call full bullshit here.

[Vedith]

Anyone who doubts me test it.
Ask mod questions concerning if my role were to exist, a rookie cop and a real cop.

See if mod doesn't answer.

[Vedith]

Ask mod questions concerning if my role were to exist, a rookie cop and a real cop.

I did, and that's EXACTLY what the mod won't answer.

So you agree there's Scum in me and you 100% then as I'm saying mod answered.

The fact you unvoted means that you just wanted me and Teacher to call each other Scum and give you 2 mis lynches.

[Vedith]

I tried something similar, and I’m afraid I got exactly the same.

Wait what did you even ask?

[Vedith]

Did you say how would my role work with Vedith or did you say how would my role work with a town mirror?

[Vedith]

And I do believe Teacher.

[Vedith]

Okay I am asking the same.
If it's anything but 'not not' saying then you and A50 are Scum.

[Vedith]

I'm off out, I have asked about how mine and Roosters role will work together.
If I get an answer about it we have 2 Scum confirmed who made a tragic play on me.

[Vedith]

Rooster, you got no comment to our roles, correct?

[Vedith]

Okay I'm done posting for the night I'll be back later

[Vedith]

That can’t speculate on hypotheticals, yeas.

Okay Rooster is telling the truth.
I got this concerning a role that would have a made up account would I get one.
However, if targeted we do get 2 PTs so my role can be confirmable at the least

[Vedith]

VOTE: Creature

[Vedith]

I state intent

[Vedith]

So why would Pignash have you as set town?
Does it say town to him?

[Vedith]

Are you in a PT Pignash though?

[Vedith]

Busy
Catch up tomorrow

[Vedith]

So why are we voting Overkill?

[Vedith]

VOTE: Rabbi

Let's lynch this.

[Vedith]

Do we get support for Scum lynching you?

[Vedith]

Not what I was saying

[Vedith]

Whos confirmed town?

[Vedith]

Okay

[Vedith]

Stefan and creature both scum

[Vedith]

VOTE: Creature

[Vedith]

Fascinating. Please tell me more.

@V want to say who you chatted w?

Creature -

With Rooster

[Vedith]

Two unique players mentioned my name last night.

Pretty sure both me and Roosters hidden account said your name last night.

[Vedith]

I suppose Vedith's role makes his targeters also something like self-target, am I right?

Well I thought it does the role back.
So if a normal cop was to check me i would get a result on them too.
If a PT is opened with me it would open two.

I asked if we should have 2 Pts and I was told no and it will be explained after the game.

[Vedith]

I thought his name was said 4 times?

[Vedith]

I'm town schizophrenic. I'm told every night how many unique players typed my name or short of it during the night.

Llast night I got four.

Oh my bad I read this wrong.
Did anyone town confirm to it? Even if it was a night visit?

[Vedith]

Scum might have also refered to Creature with a different name after the claim or just never mentioned.

But 4 is a big amount to lie about as Scum? Unless creature wanted us to suspect 3/4 Mafia on it (plus cover a Town saying so)

[Vedith]

You mean how many town visited someone that night?

[Vedith]

I'm off out now until tomorrow.

[Vedith]

I answered I thought?
I understand the role that I do what they do. Not make them a self target.

[Vedith]

I have nothing to add

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: Creature
I need to think

[Vedith]

I don't Scum read DT directly
But he's not in my set town like you and Teacher.

The only thing with Overkill was he was the counter wagon.

Creature I feel less likely as Scum and the worm spot I think is town.

[Vedith]

I dont know I like how Stefan posted.

[Vedith]

Yeah I could change over to Overkill.
Worm/Stefan role doesn't make sense to change a VT alignment.
As pointed out could be informed goon but then when the VT said who they were and Worm didn't die, he would have died for nothing.

It's hard to see Worm ever being Scum on the role. If the role is real it's town favoured not Scum favoured imo.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Overkill

[Vedith]

L1

[Vedith]

We have 9 days so I'm not in a rush and gives others a chance to comment.

[Vedith]

I'm all good.

[Vedith]

Why are we not no lynching?
Rooster Stefan and Creature are town I think.

TL and DT going straight to the voting on Creature...

[Vedith]

Yeah maybe we just lynch DT here.

[Vedith]

That's what I'm thinking.

[Vedith]

VOTE: DT

[Vedith]

If DT isn't scum it's probably over.