Mini 2096: I Don't Remember the Name of This Game

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Oh, a pagetop just for me? Nice

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VOTE: greyICE

You got beef w/ mastina or something?

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I barely remember my own name cyrus

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I think that was prob random?

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as to not lynch are hero on day1 by mistake but maybe the guy that cant be lynch today is are hero.

What?

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Voting Cyrus is a wasted vote, there’s no need to even pressure him

The man spews himself scum every scumgame he has, you just gotta wait

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Yes, we have 100 cyruses in the storage room waiting to hit the shelves this autumn

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I have become inadvertently familiar with your play due to reasons I can’t talk about rn

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I just think we can sort Cyrus later so there’s no need to pressure what is inevitably going to be mislynch bait atm

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Ok.

How about I just sheep you?

Yeah, sounds good

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P sure Cyrus is interpreting this as game info rather than flavour “and one hero was able to kill Elements”

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Which game is that one Fonz?

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What mistake?

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Oh, hey, a pagetop

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What mistake?

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That was actually aimed at gamma/you/luv/grey fonz

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I think I wanna sheep our Vice President.

VOTE: Baezu

Uh, chicken

This is not what was agreed

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May i direct your attention to:

Ok.

How about I just sheep you?

Ok.

How about I just sheep you?

Yeah, sounds good

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Sounds like lawyertalk to me

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My deepest apologies

I guess I accept

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Meh, assuming that is the reason, I don't see the big deal. The role PM wasn't explicit that you were in a plane, and tbh.....I generally skim the flavor so I could see missing it if I was Baezu(those he does seem to acknowledge he knew he was in a plan, so maybe don't listen to me!).

Gamma, do you have super secret reasons for your vote lol?

I don’t... love this

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They’re voting me because I said office instead of Air Force one

But I think sir force one has an office on board so I’m not sure what the issue is

This is absolutely wrong on my part. I voted because Baezu promised to sheep me and I wanted to be funny. But now I'm thinking it is a good vote.

Well as long as you think it’s a good vote then I’ll sheep you

VOTE: baezu

Lol

Weirdly, I think this is prob town

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mod, vla from start of Friday until Tuesday ols

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Oh, okay

baezu is a she

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I would actually have been pushing mastina as scummy if she wasn’t unlynchable today

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The third party thing was bad and then hopping on me once I declared VLA is also bad

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Btw I have like 20 mins now before I have to run

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I was pointing out that the reason I haven’t been scumhunting is bc my top candidate for scum is unlynchable today

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Yeah I just haven’t found anyone doing anything that scummy yet

I’m thinking prob someone on the baezu wagon but not sure who

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I don’t think unlynchable scum D1 is that unlikely given that 1 scum is already dead

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Bc I’m terrible at mechanics?

And bc I wanted to see how she’d play the 3p claim through the day

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Like I don’t see why you would expect me to get int a fight with scum!mastina that I’m prob gonna lose when winning wouldn’t even get her lynched

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No

Why

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No

Why

@roster

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well wouldnt u at least ask her a question and try and read her
this isn't a cop guilty u could be as wrong as any of us
its just totally out of left field and reeks of omgus

Actually I was p happy to just sit back and see what she did until she decided to drive a mislynch on me, waiting until I’d VLA’d

Like I’ve gotta go in a moment because we’re having food and the wedding for my friend is tomorrow

So I’m really not gonna be able to defend myself properly

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well wouldnt u at least ask her a question and try and read her

this isn't a cop guilty u could be as wrong as any of us

its just totally out of left field and reeks of omgus

Also, what?

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They involve a lot of fuckery.

Incidentally Mastina hasn't sworn yet IIRC. I think swearing is one of her town tells.

But she's claimed 3P so...

So I know a bit by reputation

Also I saw the video someone won a scummy for where she gets lynched as scum after a tirade about how scum mastina is unlynchable or something

Which brings me back to the q of why I would bother starting a fight with her when I knew I’d be away for this and winning (unlikely) wouldn’t even get her lynched

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Enjoy the wedding

Also

Thanks

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well wouldnt u at least ask her a question and try and read her
this isn't a cop guilty u could be as wrong as any of us
its just totally out of left field and reeks of omgus

Also if anything omgus is more indicative of town’!me

Scum!me would know that omgus is likely to be seen as scummy so I’d avoid it and play into the fact that I hadn’t done any scumhunting as town!indicative for mastina

I mean yes scum!me could try and WIFOM it by doing it anyway and then making this argument, but that’s more of an uphill struggle and means actually having to fight mastina which is prob a bad idea for scum!me

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Oh cool I think greyICE is actually scum

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We have at least one lawyer on site.

Hmm

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I really dislike the fact that he called out self-meta as trash when I did it but then not when mastina did it right after

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I would actually have been pushing mastina as scummy if she wasn’t unlynchable today

the claimed third party is scummy
u don't say

is there any other stunning insights u would like to share with the class
is gamma very town

this is brand new
i only see one other time you mention mastina in ur iso

VOTE: greyICE

You got beef w/ mastina or something?

it isnt very convincing that shes your number one scumread
and like theres more than one scum

besides im inclined to believe the idea that shes 3p with no win condition today what with the unlynchable and all

because unlynchable scum is deeply stupid
so ur basically just picking on the semi-confirmed 3p as an excuse to do nothing

suddenly inclined to trust mastina

VOTE: menalque

This is also p inconsistent looking back

Feels like an excuse to get on board with the scum buddy where if she does get flipped due to the 3p gambit (if that’s what I is) it gives him room to deny anyonr saying he didn’t think she was scummy

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Luv!scum?

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Ya I guess she prob is third party but she’s been playing very Townie...

Also I think when Menalque is scum he writes up long posts analyzing everything so this is probably Town him

I think I do both tbf, and I haven’t been on enough/in the game enough/with my laptop enough to do any long posts this game so it’s more NAI for me

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Third party gambit would be dumb if she's out and out scum and I don't see the point wasting discussion on this.

Why? Esp considering mastina?

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There are three players who are, regardless of their alignment, always going to be town

Why would town!you ever sort three players into always town this early on D1?

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Also if I didn’t do it already

VOTE: luv

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What do you mean by the “first part to fixing” thing?

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I really dislike the fact that he called out self-meta as trash when I did it but then not when mastina did it right after

He only needed to do it once.
Also, he knows me well enough to know that I am the ultimate self-metaer...by which, I mean, he knows me well enough to know that I am the ultimate trash.

Maybe

Or he’s doing it to undermine me but doesn’t wanna do that to his scumbuddy

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But where is the town motivation in lock!towning those three players for the entire game

Like I’ll lock!town people until lylo but not for the entire gsme

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I was at a wedding all day it's a miracle I got on at all

and I wanted to see what luv's response would be before voting, and what his play was gonna be like

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yeah, but she's saying that she's gonna play like she's town right? so my point is where's the town!motivation in that action

or alt, why is that not an excuse to not bothering reading your three slots while trying to channel mislynches onto the other 6 not included?

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They involve a lot of fuckery.

Incidentally Mastina hasn't sworn yet IIRC. I think swearing is one of her town tells.

But she's claimed 3P so...

Precisely.
As third parties, I'm never quite in my town meta in spite of explicitly always aiming to townside. I try, but because I am not actually town in spite of legitimate trying to help the town, it shows.

Mind you, I never am in my scum meta as a third party, either, tho people misidentifying my 3p play as my scumplay is quite common.

I’m coming from this point of view.

What do you think about the whole Drew/Cyrus thing?

honestly haven't been paying a lot of attention to it due to busy

it's on my list of things to go back and look at

I think Cyrus is potentially town tho, bc he doesn't seem like he's super obv scum?

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wanna clarify for me why omgus is a scumtell, mastina?

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Third party gambit would be dumb if she's out and out scum and I don't see the point wasting discussion on this.

Why? Esp considering mastina?

Especially considering that I have a proven track record of not lying as nontown?

You're answering your own question, mate.

idk if I'm being slow but I don't understand

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Mastina has this thing where she just randomly trueclaims as 3P.

I have no idea why.

I always thought Cyrus’ tone makes people think he’s scummy, so I was expecting scum! you to place him in your lunch worthy pile.

guess I didn't do that bc I'm not scum

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If someone hammers me (if I am at L-1) consider it a scumclaim this early in the day

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okay i have a confession im not sure how much i believe in a wagon with karnage, mastina, and doctor drew on it.
and it does appear that jackal is flaking out based on his last post so yeah luvs vote is meh.
while luv wagon has gamma, fonz... and menalque bringing the most survivalistic vote ive seen in a while. while raw survivalism isn't necessarily scum its pretty fucking scummy the way he did it.

pope gamma, does your holiness think that luv is really the play over menalque here?

Maybe. I recall liking the case on Menalque.

Okay. I'm fine where I am for now. Menalque's "it's too early to hammer!" shit was pretty sad. Does he expect he'll get a new role PM if we wait long enough?

no, I expect to actually have time to go through the game and look for scum if y'all aren't dumb enough to hammer me in the meantime

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so I've been shitposting? just because I'm present doesn't mean I'm scum hunting but just cause I'm not scum hunting doesn't mean I'm scum

sometimes it takes me a while to gear up before I get motivated to trawl bc I find it easier to read through once things are established rather than as they're unfolding

look at my purge game -- shitposted and semi-SR egduf for most of D1 only to go back through and catch icon!scum from the reread

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I just find it weird for town to be pushing this to go ahead before I do it

if I'm scum then it gives you better potential for catching partners off associationals

if I'm town then I potentially find scum and we lynch them instead, or you keep being dumb, I get mislynched, and you hopefully lynch them tomorrow

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but I literally don't see the town motivation in trying to drive me through when I'm just straight up busy, and have been busy due to starting a new job and going to one of my best mates' wedding

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not to mention that I think apart from one game, I haven't managed to talk any strong players off scum!me but I have managed to as town!me

so if you have faith in your ability to read then why not just wait instead of trying to force a mislynch, unless you're scum

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okay greyICE have fun with those misreps hey

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What is the point of voting if we're not going to lynch someone?

If there's some gentleman's agreement that "well we can't possibly lynch before at least 168 hours have passed" then every vote in those 168 hours is just pointless posturing.

Scum can do whatever they want in that time, because there's no pressure. They can do whatever wagons, make whatever posts, content in the knowledge that no buddy will ever be lynched, nor will they. What is the point of giving scum time because they're begging for it? Is the idea "well, it doesn't matter how scummy I've been posting, disregard all those posts because I'm about to make a sudden effort to look really town". Does anyone here think that allowing that to happen, wiping away all of someone's post history so they can make a huge effort to look really town, is going to

improve

town's win percentage? That somehow letting everyone mulligan and get a second chance to give you a better impression should wipe away all the things they've done?

I never said this nor did I imply it

but like I said, go ahead and misrep as much as you want

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So they'll have hammered a shitposter

who isn't motivated to do anything

and claims not to have been seriously scumhunting. .

oh, also just a straight up lie in the mix too, that's groovy

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like exactly what I sad was GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK WHILE I GET BACK ON TOP OF SHIT

what I'm saying is that in THIS SPECIFIC CASE it makes sense to wait on hammer, and to treat hammer as scummy. I've given reasons for that. You're just making some bullshit assertions about me being scum, thrown in with some misreps and lies

and how does that scream no motivation? sorry that I have a fucking life happening at the same time as this mafia game. I've made it clear that I'll get to the game once I have time.

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like exactly what I sad was GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK WHILE I GET BACK ON TOP OF SHIT

what I'm saying is that in THIS SPECIFIC CASE it makes sense to wait on hammer, and to treat hammer as scummy. I've given reasons for that. You're just making some bullshit assertions about me being scum, thrown in with some misreps and lies

and how does that scream no motivation? sorry that I have a fucking life happening at the same time as this mafia game. I've made it clear that I'll get to the game once I have time.

You seem to have plenty of time to defend yourself.

Skimming new posts to try and not fall completely behind/hammering out a couple of posts to try and delay/avoid a mislynch doesn’t take a lot of time

Going back and reading through >400 posts while trying to parse who’s actually scum from who’s just scummy does take time and is a lot of effort

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May get lynched but I still got the 500 pagetop

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So the game isn’t bastard but no one pointed out that mastina being lynchproof isn’t connected to her claim, that’s weird

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So the game isn’t bastard but no one pointed out that mastina being lynchproof isn’t connected to her claim, that’s weird

I mean this specifically in reference to me speculating around it brw

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I barely remember my own name cyrus

i think its good elements is dead but i want to know who among us took him out.

Was there a N0 in this game??

I don’t se how that would work given that would need people to know their power role

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Actually thinking now that mastina is just town fake claiming he 3p bc she’s lynch proof

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I don’t think anybody can say for sure if the hero is a role or just flavor

Yeah but balance of probabilities it’s flavour

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They’re voting me because I said office instead of Air Force one

But I think sir force one has an office on board so I’m not sure what the issue is

This is absolutely wrong on my part. I voted because Baezu promised to sheep me and I wanted to be funny. But now I'm thinking it is a good vote.

Well as long as you think it’s a good vote then I’ll sheep you

VOTE: baezu

Lol

Weirdly, I think this is prob town

I take this back on reread, I think it’s NAI

Could be scum Baezu thinking it’s too scummy to be read as scummy due to the established thing of self votes

Could e town Baezu doing it for shits n gigs

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scum reads are
roster
gracy
lil

Cyrus why were you reading greyICE and luv as scum here if you remember?

Cause I can kinda see both of them but I couldn’t see them this early

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The ongoing game thing was in reference to Gamma and I.

And Cyrus, why am I not in your scum read list?

Drew, why were you asking this?

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I think roster is town bc of

reasons

Mastina’s push on me, while wrong, is actually pretty townie

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I just think we can sort Cyrus later so there’s no need to pressure what is inevitably going to be mislynch bait atm

Post Post #38 (isolation #5) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:28 pm
I’m gonna hard push the gamma slot a bit later, I’m also gonna call EP mislynch bait in a more general readslist unless you think that’s a bad move

both by menalque

I don’t think this makes any sense beyond a v surface level similarity, but I do kinda think Cyrus is town from the effort to scumhunt and the fact that he hasn’t done anything outrageously scummy yet

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mastina i didn't sort you due to the fact you cant be lynched today but i haven't ruled you out of being scum . however i like your vote I'm just waiting on the mod to get back to me to add to what your saying cuse i found one of Menalque post in a dead scum pt that matches a post in this game to a t .

If the game related to that PT has finished then you’ll be completely fine with posting.

Mastina would you mind explaining your case on Menalque?

Sure. He's white knighting the weaker players in the game rather than scumhunting.

Where do I white knight the weak players? Were you basing this off my “we can sort Cyrus later” comment?

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The ongoing game thing was in reference to Gamma and I.

And Cyrus, why am I not in your scum read list?

Drew, why were you asking this?

He was voting me yet didn't have me in his scum read list, seems a bit weird don't ya think?

Could be wrong but wasn’t that an RVS vote he just didn’t take off? I don’t really think that’s AI

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I would actually have been pushing mastina as scummy if she wasn’t unlynchable today

the claimed third party is scummy
u don't say
is there any other stunning insights u would like to share with the class
is gamma very town

Hatcheting

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Yeah, I think GreyICE is prob scum

I think he was taking advantage of mastina making a (v bare bones) case for me being scum

Hopped on and has pushed like fuck to try and get it through before I was able to do anything

Constantly trying to undermine my credibility, and his read on me doesn’t seem to be at all genuine. Like, there’s basically no interaction with my slot which then becomes a hard scum read that he won’t reconsider at all. I think I was a pretty safe push at that point as I (1) hadn’t done a lot and (2) wasn’t able to defend myself due to RL stuff. So if I was turbolynched then after the town!flip he could be all “well, you all saw the slot was scummy right, what am I gonna do?” Think he’s basically openwolfing where he boasts about how nothing will happen to the person who hammers me D2, only the implication is nothing will happen to him after he spearheaded the push

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I’ll eat the day 1 lynch if it means I don’t have to suffer through Menalque rehashing the entire fucking game

Chill, you get a respite now, I just wanted to read up to the set up spec bit where no-one called me out as wrong on my scum getting unlynchable due to being one scum down going into D1

I’m going to sleep now, I’ll finish catch up tomorrow

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I want both Menalque and cyrus to explain how they know their flavor names before I put Menalque @L-1

This is you chance (both of you) to shoot down my theory about the "Traitors", so do your best or eat rope.

You’re basing me knowing my flavour name off a P2 RVS joke, smh

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[quote="In post 600, Almost50"]Again, you don't say "I only remember my name" THRICE .. 100 posts apart each .. if it was just a reference to your username. We all received the same role PMs (most of the town, I mean) and nobody said anything similar. There has to be a catch and your response isn't holding water.

But we are lynching Menalque anyway

, so we will know for sure if it was just a coincidence.[/

Bad play, but ok

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Remember greyICE is scum tomorrow

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VOTE: karnage

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still think greyICE is scum

think Cyrus is more likely town than scum

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it's not yet, I'm playing one game an evening and it's not this one's turn yet

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Don’t think Cyrus is scum

I think scum!cyrus is trying to be devious but does it badly and sounds scummy

This just sounds like cyrus being scummy

Like where is the scum motivation? Almost the entire wagon seems to be basing it off surface level reads, which means some people are being disingenuous bc they know that not going any deeper is the best way to get the mislynch through

That’s where the scum is, and that’s why Karnage and greyice are scummy

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I actually think green!cyrus implies roster more than red!cyrus bc of

reasons

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Also luv is still scummy and skating by

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I still think this flips town

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I didn’t really enjoy this because I thought that I’d at least know my scum buddies but instead it was playing totally blind. Kinda defeats the idea of informed minority for me tbh. Also, I was legitimately just really busy IRL which is why my posting/catch ups were limited and I maintain that was a bad reason to scumread my slot. Mastina was scary tho.

Also, fwiw I submitted fonz as the NK

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I toyed with shooting mastina tho as I wasn sure I believed the 3p or not

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Hmm, I’ll bear that in mind.

No, I wasn’t. I can only assume that if roster was the only one who knew who the other scum were that cyrus wasn’t either.

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Yeah, I really think scum need to know who each other are or you have situations like this. The fact that it didn’t even look like Cyrus’ role PM was gonna get posted even would have taken away the chance to say that my defence of him wasn’t bc I was his scumbuddy but that it was a genuine read.

I also like the concept (it’s why I /in’d) but I think if the aim is 3 scum and a third party it would work better as a large. I think with the sheer number of non-town (5:8 pre-game) that there’s a good case for that making it scum sided if all the scum can coordinate, but I think better balancing would be expanding the player base (maybe a 17-18 player?) but letting scum know who each other are from the beginning.

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Also, if mastina wasn’t random then this game was bastard because it said that the lynchproof was random in the OP.

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I was legit thinking cyrus would flip green bc I didn’t think he’d let himself get caught as easily when he literally gave himself up the last scumgame he had