Mini Theme 2172: Great Idea Mafia - Game Over

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FIRST

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VOTE: Iconeum

an iconic vote

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mod is too much of a confirmed scum that there's no need wasting a vote on them, they will not provide any game advancing content

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I claim town gravedigger. It's like miller except for watchers and trackers instead of cops.

is that even a role

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there are things that fuck with results smh

i looked it up and gravedigger is an actual role

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its not very wifomy but due to the nature of the cards and stuff fakeclaiming will be harder (?)

guess NPOM can be town for now because of that claim

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why is fakeclaiming harder?

because there is only 1 gravedigger here, if gravedigger gets rolled NPOM is outed. so it's risky

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*if it's scum!NPOM and another townie gets gravedigger

im gonna get the next one echo

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naked vote on NPOM in the midst of discussion surrounding his claim is scummy. explain yourself.

+1

naked voting a claimed miller in normal games is not fine

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IMO posting about mechanics like this is a scumtell because it’s just fluff. It gives the illusion of contributing without bringing us any closer to finding scum. Don’t do this after I said I believed your claim

posting about mechanics early on is fine IMO, it's not damning because that can clarify to any trackers watchers out there

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ok username effort to sort ranny is prob!town

noraa is gut-town

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I don't think I've ever seen u TR me straight off the bat before

so now im more clear about your play across various games, I have a good ~vibe~ from them, they claimed town and I think it's real lol
answer to titus redas geniune

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*reads

also noraa is often explicitly *confused* and if they were in a scum PT I think they would have more direction on how to approach this rather than being confused about the factions

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shelly didn't I play the ~confused~ card hard in doggos tho? :3

the key is tone. this is proooobably your first ever theme or something

see the reactions towards me giving you a gut-TR, it's trying to doubt me / point out logical flaws. scum upon TR'd doesnt do that

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sigh FOR THE NEWBIES

site meta = miller/ascetic/ negative utility town roles claim d1

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well gravedigger is technically like a pr right and like somewhat conftown. Why would they out just like that? idk it doesn't make sense to me bc if they out, scums r just gonna kill him ... right?

gravedigger is negative utility, it shows red to trackers and watchers, it's like a trackwatch miller

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^ PAGETOP

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echo whos scum

listen im gunna drop a solve next page, this game is very close to solved tbh

titus is town as well. engagement with noraa seemed like solving when scum!titus could just wagon on renny

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why?

imagine this

There is a miller and the cop. miller does not hardclaim
d3 cop checks miller returns red
miller claims, but red check from cop = elim either way so miller gets limmed

imagine in another game cop checks scum returns red
the scum claims miller and doesnt get elimd

miller hardclaim = 1. cop checks are 100% ACCURATE 2. cop no need to waste on miller

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now swap miller for gravedigger and cop for tracker and it's the same

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Shelly the way u started off this game reminds me a shit ton of ur scum games. Ur scum games always start off looking very very protown. However when ur town, u always start off meh or really scummy :/

this is very wifomy and I can improve at being town

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So how does scum claiming miller on d1 factor into the site meta?

scum can do it but 1) it's subject to counterclaims and 2) this is great idea and there are like 2 gravedigger cards

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hey assemble, why that unvote? do you concur with my gut townpings?

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nahhhh you’re not a discussion mod how are you the worst?

town!me is lacking though - im godawful at obvtowning but I usually have decent reads and charisma

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i mean in general tbh (as both alignments) im pretty good at persuasion, but my inability to obvtown weakens that as the town alignment

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echo who is scum im gunna solve this on this page

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wym by number 2

the name of the setup is great idea
theres a town grave card and a wolf gravedigger card

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I plan on focusing on shelly bc her entrance pings me of all her scum games so far where she started off being TRed a shit ton for "protown behavior"

sigh can you use occam's for once

quoting myself, sometimes town are just town
and scum are just scum

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why are we asking for solves day 1? none of them r gonna be right. Just ask for reads. Plus its still half rvs and I doubt anyone has a read that's half decent. Chill ur butt, wait for info to collect itself and magically everyone will have reads

I didnt ask echo to give a solve I wanted their reads so I could solve their alignment
and they may be right, ive gotten all the scum in my PoE d1 twice before
you dont magically get reads, by interacting with echo I will get them

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Town
username - efforts to solve renny and move the game out of RVS is protown
titus - engaging noraa instead of chilling off and further the game is protown
npom - because of claim
noraa - gut town + critical thinking and paranoia in 129

TBD
everyone else

i prefer to find town early on and PoE this through tbh

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this is ridiculous, so apparently echo and noraa think im scum for... being town? wtf

echo is finding very stretched reasons to TR me, -2 townpoints

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*stretched reasons to SR me

also I am quite a fan of bussing and townbinning my partner for "gut" is... risky

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I think half the plist has seen my scumgame considering my difficulties in rolling town

nah NPOM is proooobably town here considering the claim, whats your thoughts on noraa and echo scumreading me for apparently being town?

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Interesting shout, this one.

this is true broadly that im townread more as scum and scumread/elim'd more as town

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What do you think voting on inactives will accomplish?

policy lynch sometimes but it's not a high info elim, eliminations d1 generally should be info elims

ranny is this your first non newbie game

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People going around asking "who's scum?" less than 24 hours into this game is weird. If it was just one person along, I might tr it as some scum hunting style.

how is it weird though

like wanting to know the townreads and scumreads of others is strictly NAI

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Then what are your thoughts

tbh, I’m more fond of townreading early on and using POE

remember if nobody starts pushing or scumreading the game just dies

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whyyyy does 154 sound like a bunch of IIoA (information instead of analysis i.e. just summarising the gamestate instead of sorting alignments)

do you even know what townblocks are??? linking to a game does not automatically form one.

I've listed my reads multiple times now. I think 154 comes from newbscum more than town thought (assuming herta isnt an alt or something)

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like I think it's coming off as IIoA pretty much, and thinking linking to a wiki page = townblock pings

and basically refusing to give reads due to avatars (?) is pretty anti-town

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did you just scumclaim

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VOTE: Herta

get this slot now

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kok red is gunna have a early townish pass, scum don't really bus super early d1. red is town, herta slipped and scumclaimed.

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EBWOP: ok redcardinal is gunna have a early townish pass, scum don't really bus super early d1. red is town, herta slipped and scumclaimed.

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redcardinal lets hard push herta and be our little townblock

I agree with noraa's logic but don't entirely trust atm

can you ~explain~ this a bit more? is it gut that makes you distrust them? because coherent logic is usually town!AI

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info, no analysis, very reactive posting

this is exactly what im thinking atm

why do I find myself agreeing with everything redcardinal posts, red is super town

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shelly how many games have you played with noraa, ballpark

This game (their first ever game)
I don't think any other games are finished yet?

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(Unrelated, but if Noraa/shelly meta is based on literally one game we can talk about I care about it a lot less, pshaw)

there are like 4 (?) ongoing games if you wanna talk about it a bit later

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what's up with all the newbs loving preflip associatives

I think efforts to solve each other arent indicative of scumpair if anything. I dont think a town-town interaction is similar to a scumpair interaction at all

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herta are you conceding?

can we just powereliminate herta now

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does the saulus start out as a traitor and is it mafia aligned?

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*before being eliminated and becoming town if that wasn't clear

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I mean, how do you get scumclaim out of that, Shelly? Seriously. Because that's what people do is scumclaim.

because I called you newbscum
you said you were newbscum

VOTE: Herta

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I very strongly believe shelly is not town and that's why I will try my best to avoid solving her as I'm 1000000% sure this gut read will make the read very unfair if she really is town. But I swear to god, I will actually be so so shocked if she is town. Hands down will be like ok I'm out. Adios I suck at gut reads.

ok prepare to be surprised

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It’s almost page 10 and I’m kind of surprised that no one has been dayvigged or something crazy by now.

DAYVIG: herta

lets gooo

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I forsee a herta lynch today, but if not I will also happily go for shelly and then noraa on a red flip. Obvious distancing.

can you tell me what this trajectory on me is?

also I prefer my teammates to explicitly *not* distance with me usually. The way I play scum is to treat my partner as any other player in the plist and call them out if they are truly doing scummy things (if my teammate is null/townlean by much of the plist I am not distancing with them)

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having read through the rest of the thread after my post 220 I scumread noraa

buhahahahaha u go into such detail as for why. You have some time to explain before I start SRing u for this quick and unexplained shift of opinions that threw shade at me for no apparent reason with nothing to back it up.

I think it's very interesting how both of you immediately have started getting very defensive towards what started as nothing but a gut read

my personality towards suspicion as town are naturally defensive, even moreso than when im scum. im also fairly omgussy to pushes at me.

I think this is a prob!town post though. the paranoia is pretty town!AI especially this early on

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Town
redcardinal
titus
NPOM
username

TBD
everyone else

dont really like "free pass because i post a lot" either way

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I already clarified this exact point with echo. Don't use it again. My problem is the way you did things. you TR me but then say ur fine if I get limmed today. Shortly after you announce that its a SR now for no specific reason. You don't back up anything and instead shade me saying that I'm expecting people to TR me for talking a lot :/

*teaching moment*

There's a way of identifying town I use a lot, I dont have a name for it but it's basically trying to re-evaluate / sort between town and scum. It's different to flip-flopping because there's a trajectory involved instead of just a statement. I can see red is actually rethinking noraa's alignment after your defensiveness instead of playing in an agenda-y way

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@noraa if you're town, not everyone that susses you must be scum aligned. a wrong push is different from a bad push

I think noraa's sudden hostility towards red is more personality than AI because they've done this as both alignments before
noraa tell me why you think red is autoscum after casting *some* suspicion on you. people dont stick with their reads and TR -> SR = re-evaluation

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Lel I disappeared off the TR list for no apparent reason except something that I already explained twice was a misrepresentation of my words. Shellys def not town this round.

like

I dont think you're scum I feel like giving you a townpass for that response is unwarranted

@noraa do you think everyone that re-evaluates or changes their reads are scum
lockscumming d1 is >rand to be scum tbh, only one alignment has enough info early d1 to be confident 100% in reads

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That was not reevaluation. That was not caring if town got mislimmed.

redcardinal's push on you was because of overdefensiveness
overdefensiveness is a general scumtell
redcardinal rethinks and thinks you're scum

this is a very logical trajectory. quote where you think there is ignorance in the elimination because I dont see it. the way you push against red makes me think red is townier

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...

ok now tell me why you think me re-evaluating YOU because your reaction to being put in a lynchpool was bad and because high level of confidence early game is >rand chance of scum

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Red TRs me
Then Red says its fine to lim me
ten billion posts later they say they SR me

still i dont understand why this is scum!AI because changing reads is fine and usually with logical reasons, town!AI

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Lol? I just explained why I took you away from my townblock?

ok then tell me why you SR me. because of everyones favourite meta and because I can never improve at town and play a measured and dashing game

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I'm self aware of my meta. if I play exactly the same in all my scumgames I'll never get another scum victory.

also alas I can improve at my towngame after people give me feedback and learn how to obvtown and present my susses in an eloquent way.

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If you're town tunnel visioning in a TvT conflict is useless and you've been in quite a few TvT conflicts recently as far as I know

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alert: ongoing games

u can't say anything about those + I haven't flipped so u dk

nah not ongoing games, I think in newbie 2029 you were on all the town elims? didnt read through most of it though

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@red not the biggest fan of a forced townblock, but if you insist I’m open to the idea

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Echo I concur, but why?

echo what’s your thoughts on noraaaaaaaaa btw

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it's not... nothing?

Yeah, sounds like newbscum to me.

scumclaim after I said their post sounded like newbscum

Eh..

meh.

no interest / concern in being eliminated, then sudden defensive change of tone

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When on this site, on any site, have you seen a literal scum claim at the beginning of a game?

This is daft. You didn't like how I answered your question, so you called me newbscum or an alt. I said yeah must be newbscum. Boom you jump right into dancing the dance of joy. This is so surface level it's painful.

We've got enough scum factions probably that the whole game is going to be like this, people jumping on everything they see.

ok fine lets just ignore the scumslip

the way where I pressured you about it was "hey whatever" and that's not a town response at all to being said as "scumslipping". you have no concern over the elimination.

like your post when I asked about your thoughts is still IIoA. and basically what you did over the game was say our scumhunting style by asking who is scum is bad. which isnt a read or solving

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even without considering the scumslip you're still obvscum here.

jumping on people and pressuring is strictly NAI btw, cant see how it's scum!AI. opportunism isn't equal to gamesolving efforts.

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I mean, how do you get scumclaim out of that, Shelly? Seriously. Because that's what people do is scumclaim.

like this sounds like hatcheting (discrediting my push without actually sussing me or voting for me) which is very scum indicative. you did same thing to redcardinal as well

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im not teaching you how to scumhunt. im calling you scum.

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Herta giving off major "you caught me for the wrong reasons" vibes here.

keeping my vote where it is for now, because a) i don't know how close Herta is to execution, and b) Assemble has given me no reason to stop wanting to vote him, but Herta wagon is good wagon.

I agree with all of this, username is obvtown

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^ well technically without the assemble parts. assemble is null

can ico be prodded

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titus can you go vote herta then

vanity voting a lurker is useless and it gives no info

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*I don't like Herta's wagon bc it's unopposed by Herta has been scummy.

276 is pretty close to 312, explain this logical lapse or how you got from scum driven wagon to town driven wagon

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one thing of note is that {username titus echo} all liking the wagon of herta but not jumping on.

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That’s the second time you voted a slot for being inactive. Is 13 pages not enough for you to find anything scummy?

vanity voting is scummy. but why are you zero-ing in on echo instead of titus whos on the same wagon?

another thing of note here: rannys reaction to herta

I want this situation sorted out.

is different from "herta is scum" which is what im saying. this sounds quite excuse-y imo, -1 townpoint

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what will your vote do being on the inactive slots

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Nooooo not the townpoint

Herta was pressed earlier and blew it off. I wanted to add to the pressure by helping build the wagon. I wasn’t satisfied with the answer and would be okay with the elim /willing to hammer.

I voted echo because he did the thing twice. I only have one vote smdh

okay?

I feel like this comes from town, tone etc. "not the townpoint" is genuine so maybe i'll give it back
echo wagon is good but I want herta today, im the reverse titus

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because assembler has posted; i don't want assembler to be coasting and lurking
i know assembler's been there in the past, might be here now
a vote on them has a higher chance of getting attention than a vote on ico right now

lurkers get replaced, pressure votes are pointless when you say they're pressure votes

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npom what do you think about herta wagon and the echo one?

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primate's 334 is pretty good only i think rannys response to me pressuring them was well-reasoned. can anyone give me the tl;dr on ranny so I can evaluate the SR there

Noraa can do wacky things as either alignment although I'm pretty null on them atm as they often look LHF as town

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im going to add primate to the townlean pile for that post and the efforts to make a push against ranny.

Town
iamausername
NPOM
redcardinal

Townlean
Titus
Primate

TBD
everyone else

Scumlean/question mark
Echovision
Assemble

Scum
Herta

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VOTE: ico

echo they're going vla what the fuck will your vote do at all???

+2 scumpoints, are you excited for the Authetic Shelly Tunnelling Experience

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arachnids, ico, assembler all disappeared
i'd like to rock herta's shit
i don't want to rock herta's shit yet because there's three people that just don't exist anymore

nobody else is doing anything that crazy to me
i have nowhere i really want to vote aorn aside from herta

maybe i'll do a re-read later, but i'm in class right now so give me a bit so i can not pay attention

then vote herta
not your job to make sure everyone's playing, its the mods job

herta wagon is the best and echo staying off it is pretty indicative of echo/herta being groupscum?

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Idk I think thats quite blatantly partner-y and i think that's too easy of a solve tbh, but if anyone wants my vote on an echo wagon I'm persuaded

but herta is the elim and herta is obvscum.

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Tell me, tell me, how is the herta slot town

Herta goes "who's scum" is

weird

, not scummy; it's a common newbscum tell to point out something is weird instead of scummy because they know who town are and will need to miselim town. but newbscum often think if they suspect town they'll go down as well

154 is just IIoA without any reads or takes
192 discredits my attempt to push them instead of attacking me. this is pretty much omgus. instead of pointing out why they are town, herta basically says "people never scumclaim", that isnt a defense.
281 asks for VC to "scumhunt" but still hasn't posted any reads at all, no effort to solve, lamist
296 has spectacularly failed in defending themselves it isnt even a defense. the point isnt that you scumclaimed; it's that you made No Effort to defend yourself or engage with me after i (admittedly) overreacted

Herta's reaction is basically "you got me for the wrong reasons" which isn't a town mindset, it's a survivalist one. Instead of providing content when the spotlight was on them they flailed. And that is why we should all get herta NOW.

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Echo bouncing around on inactives is NAI. Why is it scummy to you?

bouncing around on inactives is scummy because there's no AI content from lurkers, lurkers get replaced, and it's a very good way of fake scumhunting

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You're essentially co-opting username's reasoning as your own after admitting that you overreacted in the first place. That's not a villagery mindset. That's a wolf who got caught without cover.

VOTE: Shelly

i call omgus, can we just go nuke herta.

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wolf oo faction slip?

+1

herta nobody in the thread (except stubborn noraa) scumreads me I am not caught scum
using usernames phrasing is NAI

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Seriously?

that was slightly sarcastic but can someone tell me why herta is NOT todays elim please

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ok wiyvern kinda just tripped my super-amazing newbscum entrance scumtell

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basically newbscum tend to reply with an uptight "hi"

and apologising about lack of activity is pretty much a newbscum thing as well

busy in-real-life town tend to naked vote/put out undeveloped suspicions in their limited time

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ok wiyvern to make this more efficient and for me to get a grip on your alignment tell me:

what do you think about herta
what do you think about echovision

if you had a complusive dayvig shot who would you use it on (complusively must kill a player now)

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For herta, my read is the same as most of the thread, I think he's prob scum. The post where he listed "suspicions" or whatever was talking about profile pics more than anything else and then after the supposed scumslip, I don't think they ever explained the post until some time after they basically accused the people voting them. which is omgus I think and it kinda seemed like cornered scum to me.

Echo could go either way for me aorn, them not voting herta is weird, and focusing on inactive slots could be a way to take some pressure off of their possible scummate herta. I'm saying it could go either way because I liked some of their earlier posts, although this is a gut read, so it may not be that great.

I would just shoot herta here if I could because it would clear up a lot of stuff

ehhhh this is decent but also pretty consensus-y

this was less effective than I thought

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I agree with shelly on this one, this doesn't read as newbtown, it reads as specifically newb scum

why do i find myself agreeing with everything red posts? +townpoints again

btw, I kinda start thinking noraa might be town?? the shelly!scum is mindmeldlingly confbiased and I think theres some truth there

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*as to my original town!noraa gutvibe

btw my playstyle is just like that. I like to take a lot of strong action as town and being bloodthirsty = scum is fallacious

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Town

Primate: has a developed analysis in his posts -- 170, 175, 215, 334 -- he's the only one thinking about multi-scum factions
Titus: wagonomics approach, villagery mindset -- she is a never yeet -- 318, 319, 322, 387 all come from town
NPOM: Claim and only because of his claim

null: everyone else

null Scum: Ranny -- his push on echovision is bad

scum: ShellyC -- see post 349 -- she's out for blood and it's gone beyond tunneling -- she's fond of saying the things that she does is "strictly NAI", see 150, 287, 355

despite redcardinal pushing as hard as me on you you basically ignore redcardinal (?)
thinking about multiscum is not alignment indicative
titus loves VCA as doing it is NAI

NPOM read is the only fine one and its a consensus read as well

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their tone is newbie tone. if shelly is scum like I think she is, then imo here she is just setting up limbait

sigh

noraa you know clearly the way I like to play town is tunnel all day and basically the opposite of measured. doubting a replacement is not setting up lynchbait. having takes is not setting up lynchbait.

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Why don't you have Primate as Town and why do you disregard my pointing out he has logical analysis and focus on one part of my TR on him? Do you think he doesn't believe in what he's writing or are you just trying to misrepresent my position? Same with Titus, why focus on the voting comment and not talk about how the posts I cited come from town, she has a villagery mindset?

because developed thoughts and villagery mindset are very vague.

i can easy claim that someone has a "villagery mindset"

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reds sudden switch to ranny is pretty anti-opportunistic if hertas red just as i thought

Their 1v1 reads as town v town to me, I don't think scum explains good versus bad play as politely or correctly as shelly did to noraa, and I'm back to townreading noraa based on her reaction to my proposal for a townblock.

meh explaining play is NAI of itself so a slightly streated reason to get TR'd

She got elimed as scum in the game I played with her

i was guiltied

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same reason i didn’t vote herta before— there’s two slots who just don’t exist STILL so i didn’t want to push the wagon super duper far without them existing
VOTE: ranny but i’m sick of their shit i’m going through switch vote withdrawal

echo why are you wagon hopping like crazy

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For the above two posts, red cardinal is in my TRs. I like the attitude-its very towny and I believe you believe explaining is good.

noraa what is this inconsistency, did I finally manage to talk you out of scum!redcardinal

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The timing on 433-436 for redcardinal is town indicative. It shows a free flow of thought.

stream of consciousness is like, one of the thing that i use a LOT as scum

why are you giving townpasses for random reasons. this is probably tmi.

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sup homies now can someone tell me what the Ranny wagon is on about.
Noraa saying "fine with ranny" but defending them is weirdly fence-sitty.

pedit: nahhhh I'm town.

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The main reason is 463. She can say it’s a joke all she wants, but I was doing some completely harmless digging, not even accusing NPOM of being scum, just exploring their behavior, and for her shut it down like that is scum-motivated. I can iso dive and build a more thorough case.

i don't really think its shutting it down. red thinks npom is town for the claim, the claim is likely town.

feels like trying to solve for the cameras vs. genuine townie solving imo.

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I didn’t even vote you because I thought you were scum. It was a pressure vote to get you to straighten up. If I have to say that, it didn’t work, so: UNVOTE:

But you kept at it, and that’s what I don’t get.

uh what

imagine your reaction test didn't succeed in generating AI content
why do you back off
don't you want to solve titus

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please use a bit of occam's razor here, if they sound fake it's probably because they are. even if you don't buy that, at least voting ranny will remove a big question mark. I don't want to end up with ranny at the end, do you?

+1

kinda think herta/ranny are s/s wagons. I'll join yours because I buy the points + my TRs red and username are there

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*I'll join yours if you need me to

I prefer pursuing herta tho fwiw

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The main reason is 463. She can say it’s a joke all she wants, but I was doing some completely harmless digging, not even accusing NPOM of being scum, just exploring their behavior, and for her shut it down like that is scum-motivated. I can iso dive and build a more thorough case.

i don't really think its shutting it down. red thinks npom is town for the claim, the claim is likely town.

feels like trying to solve for the cameras vs. genuine townie solving imo.

this, it's not natural analysis, it's analyzing because oh shit people are pressuring me gotta look town

lol whats the difference between natural analysis vs. analysis

[shellyc]

wait does that refer to my post or ranny's post?

red thoughts on username

[shellyc]

@Mod: going to be V/LA for the next 48 hours

[shellyc]

if ranny flips town shelly is suspicious as hell

preflip associative = quite bad

scum using that can just destroy their whole case when ranny flips red

[shellyc]

If shelley thinks, Rannygazoo is scum, where is her vote? If she doesn't think he's scum, then why post like this implying he's scum not sorting?

The posting is particularly bad if Rannygazoo flips town because Rannygazoo could have seen his reaction test failed.

because I want herta first

my priority is herta->ranny, hertas responses are still being scummy, it's exactly like how you sussed herta but voted ico earlier in the game.

[shellyc]

noraa you're confbiased

welcome murder

[shellyc]

huh no I'm not

this is the noraa case against me:
"player X is scum because they're playing in a protown way"
"player X is scum because they're sussing me"
"Noraa votes redcardinal"
"ah but I'm sussing player Y because they sus player X"

[shellyc]

noraa if your prefered wagon is me why is your vote not on me
why are you sussing me for playing in a as you put it, "Protown" way
says meta is trash but uses it themselves
misreps by saying I'm not voting when I'm voting clearly on herta and I've made it clear that herta is my preferred wagon

this is a classic case of confbias.

[shellyc]

red, titus, and I are on basically the same boat(for the most part)

which is wrong

1) you disagreed with red's FoS on me and you, and called them out for being flipfloppy, but now why are you randomly back to a TR there when they go to a TR on you
2) you disagreed with red's preflip associative
3) you disagreed with the ico wagon

noraa's just misrepping everything for some reason
the next step is to sort noraa which i cant because noraa's actually a pretty good scumplayer

pedit: you're not voting me who you're throwing shade at

[shellyc]

ugh how many times do I have to repeat

- The Ranny wagon is good
- I'm not voting there because I prefer the other wagon herta, I've already cased herta
- I am fine with moving to ranny if that's the consensus to get an elim through
- I am not "fence-sitting" on ranny, I clearly have stated a scumlean there

[shellyc]

the next step is to sort noraa which i cant because noraa's actually a pretty good scumplayer

also their trajectories as town are super weird and (no offense) incapable of obvtowning a lot of the time

[shellyc]

You're just throwing more shade at me.
Red, Titus and I are definitely overall on the same boat.

can you address my defense of self instead of randomly repeating the same thing

btw, I consider the world "throwing shade" to be quite equivalent to "FoS"

[shellyc]

I am not voting you correct and thats because I felt I wasn't going to be able to push a shelly lim even tho I am very certain of it. The reason is that I think ur entrance only pinged me hard but no one else was pinged by it so I figured it was a vanity wagon that I shouldn't start.

uhhhh

if you're so confident in scum!shelly you should case me and attack me with all your might instead of pursuing other targets
you said you were near 100% certain on me

and here you're also self reflective that honestly my entrance may not be pingy to others, indicating that you are once again confbiased, fitting the reads to the evidence instead of vice versa

also why are pedits turned off now???

[shellyc]

the next step is to sort noraa which i cant because noraa's actually a pretty good scumplayer

also their trajectories as town are super weird and (no offense) incapable of obvtowning a lot of the time

you found the need to add on that its actually *GASP* possible that I am town?
I just think ur scum that realized u threw too much shade and backtracked like this

unlike you I do not have tmi

also you love meta, my scum play consists of hard tunnelling and taking strong action a lot of the time (and you know it). i almost never backtrack as scum

[shellyc]

i kinda think noraa is scum who is incapable to make other reads other than scum!me because town!me fits the usual scummy archetype and fence-sitting on everyone else

[shellyc]

yes

Noraa constantly says herta/ranny are "not preferred" and "meh"
lightbulb moment that the solve is Noraa/herta/ranny (?)

[shellyc]

I mean you should know from Roses that town Noraa can produce bad tunneled reads, what makes you think this is different?

because she's not trying to push them

town!noraa in newbie 2032 d1: "I'm not compromising on counter wagon of Player X"
Noraa here: "eh lets solve other slots. BUT SHELLY IS CONFSCUM"

[shellyc]

No I'm certain its not wrong. I've never ever had such strong gut/meta reads day 1. NEVER.

fwiw lockscumming d1 is pretty suboptimal regardless of alignment

the early gut read was just gut. like I can't really think of town motivation to tunnel me, and as norms tunnelling for weak reasons such as "gut", and "meta" when Noraa thinks "meta is trash" themselves

[shellyc]

Eh..

meh.

Why did D1 last past page 8?

murder this really speaks to my soul

herta. scum slipped. end of convo.

btw newbie 2032 was kinda a low point in my scum career and I was overloaded with games as well and didn't really effort it anyhow

[shellyc]

heads up that im repping out

can't manage this game atm

i think murder/primate/red/echo/username are all town, we townblock there, i retract my earlier solve, still not sure noraa is town, there's nothing as LHF and occams is the way, nuke herta NOW.

[shellyc]

lastly i have no idea what all these people are doing giving me an SR for apparently pursuing my top SR while acknowledging the secondary wagon??

[shellyc]

uh to answer the question.

i repped out because I genuinely did not have time to play this game, also apathy etc. i just dislike multiball as scum tbh

gg town

[shellyc]

Also Noraa, with the absolute soul read on shelly

noraa is one of the few people on this site that can read me correctly across multiple games

re: setup. probably gate to maximum 4 scum or something in minis. can be heavily scumsided with current scum amount restriction (look at the other rolls lol)

[shellyc]

can this go in my wiki?

yes