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Redtea did a ton of defending Elements from Puppy D1, soft stuff, like "Well I can see what Elements was seeing, I think we should give him the benefit of the doubt." I don't really think redtea took any stances where they suspected somebody.
Suji obviously left immediately
I am pretending Krazy has high WIM as scum. Okay. I know his opening play was mostly scumreading me because I was so confident he was scum. He townread Prism and Hectic. Wanted me killed over Tayl0r pretty badly. Proposed it being Tanner/Lavender later (lol). Switched to preferring Lavender.Then begins the Tanner 1v1.It's huge. He had 5 people in a PoE, 3 townreads, and just pushed Tanner. Puppy was in his PoE. He then tried to flip Tayl0r wagon to Hectic. Next day, he's getting super upset at Tanner for some reason and I added him to my townpool at that point.
reading through this just reminders me more and more of why we're in this situation right now. Pooky,howis it not you?
Krazy lets Hectic die too. Then he lets Nacho die.
I don't know. I can't see Krazy actually being scum very well because of how he reacted to anything bad that happened to him. But yes, he nor Prism really came close to pushing scum at all this game if you think about it. Ironically i think Pooky and I might be the only ones alive now who made posts where we actually suspected scum, lol. Actually, Tanner suspected Puppy correctly.
but It's a way simpler explanation that Pooky is just demolishing my feelings right now and I'm falling for him-
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i meant falling for itIn post 5340, Morning Tweet wrote:but It's a way simpler explanation that Pooky is just demolishing my feelings right now and I'm falling for him
or falling for him, either way works-
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uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmmmnnnnnnnnnnggggggggggggggggggg
No matter what happens I am an idiot this game. i feel like if I'd have played more carefully we could have shot at two outside of me, probably. This is my fault this is happening, if i weren't like, idk what im doing, maybe Noraa and worstie wouldn't be voting me
I can't even say definitively who it is if it isn't you, and yet I'm trying to switch it off of you because of stupid soulread stuff that always bites me and makes me look stupid and i acknowledge that and am doing it anyway-
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thank you.. don't stop until I die pleasePookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
*flops tweetie's ears*In post 5346, Morning Tweet wrote:we're not getting out of this 1v1, are we? Should I accept this result then?
i need you to flop my ears the best you ever have as i die. i might not be around for it but please do
its probably the only thing that can make me feel better, and it'll help you too if you need it, i hope
be real if you're town you need to let me know
you don't even know who scum is if it isn't me. you also encouraged lav to go through with the executions on us. what use is it changing your mind now? that would just make it even more painful, wouldn't it?-
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itll be okay ;cPookyTheMagicalBear wrote:it will make it easier for me to hammer myself if I have to
I'm weak and human tweetie.
i dont actually think we'll get down to needing the self hammering. i also think im dying here. maybe itll help prepare you for tomorrow or something.
..but i dont even know what i can give you to show you that im town.-
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knowing you're town for sure would just make this feel even more tragicIn post 5356, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:In post 5354, Morning Tweet wrote:itll be okay ;c
i dont actually think we'll get down to needing the self hammering. i also think im dying here. maybe itll help prepare you for tomorrow or something.
..but i dont even know what i can give you to show you that im town.
I can show you a full AtE that will prove I'm town if you want
but by all means go ahead-
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What happened with Hectic is no surprise to me. I am an open book to him, after all. I suppose I do not know why you felt the need to be approved by Hectic, nor why you responded to his suspicions by becoming afraid of him being scum.
I don't believe that I was in your sights at the beginning of today. The first name you came up with in your confusion was Prism/Alisae's, after all. Followed by the vote on Krazy. Followed by me. It doesn't matter now, though.
I am so, so tired. Not of you talking, but of this rollercoaster ride we're trapped on.In post 5368, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Are you tired of reading my nonsensical ramblings? I'm mostly spent - I just want this suffering to end. That's why I'm ok with self-hammering tommorrow if it's 3-3, because I'm not sure I can make it another day here.
I am spent mentally and emotionally. someone else should be doing most of the talking. I'm so thankful duckie and noraa are here - I hope they can do a better job than I have when I am gone.
I want to thank you Tweetie, you should've been angry with me for killing Hectic, for pushing you when I promised him I wouldn't, for raising a stupid fight about some eye doctor story. You've been more generous to me than I could've expected.
If you are indeed town and this is just another one of Pooky's absurdly stupid mistakes, I hope you find it in yourself to finish the last steps of the journey for me, hectic and all the others who are not here anymore.
Thanks for everything and if it's 3-3 tommorrow remember to let me be the one to self-hammer.
You're not going to get the opportunity to self hammer, Pooky. You're probably not even reaching X-1. You're going to have to be strong-- stronger than you've ever been before-- after you see my flip.
I don't mind about all that. You had to do it, in either case.
I truly believe that you're going to be the one who will be there to see this finished. 3-3 is a fantasy. You may or may not already have realized that. Either way.. I'll be seeing you (´-∀-`)-
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I will be aroundIn post 5371, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:ducky if lavender doesnt vote before the deadline you have to be online to vote. im counting on you <3-
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..hahaIn post 5351, Isis wrote:
With six alive it takes four to make a decision. The day will end in (expired on 2020-10-29 17:27:24)
I can say with complete confidence that scum is voting for me right now. Compelling argument, right?-
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........In post 5392, Noraa wrote:Morning keeps talking bout self hammering but never does it. wonder why....-
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thank you everyoneIn post 5387, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:*flops ears*-
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you have no idea what we've been through and how long we've been doing thisIn post 5420, Noraa wrote:why is this like a big dramatic departure or something?
y'all make it seem like one of u is gonna disappear off the face of the earth for an eternity
i guess it's hard to understand
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I could see itIn post 5422, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
I can't see Noraa or Ducky being scum.In post 5419, Morning Tweet wrote:Why wouldn't you switch with me? Why
You probably would have won the 1v1 on the next day because it was my idea
I have to play to my win condition
It sounds impossible but i could
i was going to do it which i suppose didn't help your suspicions of me but i dont know what else i was supposed to do
we can't even know 100% which one it is though, so it feels really hopeless-
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Uh, you're the one who thinks I'm scumIn post 5427, Noraa wrote:If both of you are town, Im legitimately gonna think this is so stupid post game cuz u both literally just grabbed the rope yourselves and scum!worstie didnt even have to do shit.
I wasn't even a candidate before today
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Is there time? Is there anyone out there who would chance switching to..... worst, I guess?In post 5426, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
you got about that long to convince me I'm wrong about one of ducky / noraa cuz I just can't see it right nowIn post 5351, Isis wrote:With six alive it takes four to make a decision. The day will end in 0 days, 2 hours, 27 minutes
I don't even have a definitive way of knowing which one it is -- that's how towny both the slots are
My feelings towards Prism being town is stronger than Krazy albeit slightly
But I have no idea how to prove it
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
If one of those slots is scum this is all i have and i squandered it
I read through. If you disregard the players themselves, neither of them actually pushed scum all game. So there's that. If you ignore Krazy's emotions and otherthings, all he did was tunnel me, tunnel Tanner, and vote Nacho wrongfully kind of out of nowhere. He also thought Hectic was town but apparently thought tayl0r was so towny, he chose the Hectic wagon over hers on D2. You could interpret Puppy voting him on D2 as a gambit to try and give him enough towncred to win. Maybe there's a way to use Puppy's ISO to figure it out. i dont know
Scum Prism did so much reevaluating and probing (I cannot reiterate enough how unbelievable their actions towards Chara are to me if they're scum) that I am fine just leaving him. If he's scum he wanted it and he can have it
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all i feel is hopelessnessPookyTheMagicalBear wrote:In post 63, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:if we play with love in our hearts we can't lose
let us heal together through mutual love
if we play with love in our hearts we can't loselet us heal together through mutual love
how likely is it that you drag this out as long as possible just to torture me as scum?-
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for the psychological damageIn post 5439, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:for leaving you behind?
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that's a bad read. the ate part is. i have yet to emote in a scum game (Except after I won them i freaked out)In post 5447, the worst wrote:Like
They aren't town AtEing this hard
Surely
Who the fuck else is scum
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In post 5450, the worst wrote:*sits in the corner patting the bat as though in a trance*thank you
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he tried to paranoia the Prism slot as the start of the day.. but it didnt work... soIn post 5452, the worst wrote:respectfully
scum have literally by necessity outplayed themselves
I have a much easier time believing that you are scum who is capable of AtE/selfmeta manipulation than Pooky is scum who has a very nuanced read on you / talked me off voting the prismslot / rather than meaningfully AtE'd wrote an epic poem about how traumatising this game is.
and that's fair enough. im not that good at scum but someone here has to be-
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mine is beating a thousand times per minuteIn post 5461, the worst wrote:Can't you hear how fast my heart beats?....it is on the precipice of breaking. constantly.
it's not healthy
i would just die if i werent being comforted 24/7 by you guys
so thank you for the mercy-
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Someone make a decision I'm actually in agonyIn post 5488, the worst wrote:With six alive it takes four to make a decision. The day will end in (expired on 2020-10-29 17:27:24)-
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“Do you think even think it’s me here?!”
“No.”
“Then why are you voting for me?”
“... I don’t know.”
“That’s what I thought. But if you are indeed town, I hope you find it in yourself to finish the last steps of the journey for me, Hectic and all the others who are not here anymore.”
Morning stared blankly at the jail cell’s ceiling. She counted the cracks between the boards while idly flipping a coin about in one hand.
“Giving up already?”
She sat up quickly, recognizing the familiar feline’s voice, “Catboi? What are you doing here?”
“Hi, Morning! Just thought I’d stop on by ( ˘ω˘ )ノ ⁎⁺˳✧༚” he gave a huge grin before continuing, “I can’t help but notice you seem down. Cheer up! It’s not over yet.”
“Oh. Well. I’m glad you came, Catboi,” Morning sat back down, “But it is over. The trial is scheduled for tomorrow. There’s no way anyone but me will be convicted.”
Morning paused for a moment, before clenching her eyes and exclaiming, “We killed Taylor, Hectic, Chara, Nacho, and Pooky! We were-- no, I was wrong every time. I deserve this. It’s what they’d want.”
Catboi shook his head, “You don’t know that, Morning! Why don’t you ask them yourself?”
Morning looked back up. Catboi was gone. In his place, two new faces appeared on the other side of the cell bars.
“Hectic! Taylor!”
Morning ran and pressed herself up against the bars.
“I couldn’t figure it out who the killer is! It’s not me. I’m sorry!”
Hectic stifled a laugh.
“We know it isn’t you, Morning. We’re omnipresent, you know?”
Morning dropped to her knees, “So, you already know what’s going on. I failed you all.”
A reassuring hand placed itself on Morning’s head, causing her to look up. It was Taylor’s.
“You didn’t fail anyone. You did what you thought was right. It’s okay.”
After a brief pause, Taylor pulled Morning up to her feet.
Morning thought for a moment, before saying, “Is it nice, being dead? I’ve been--”
“Nope!” Hectic interrupted Morning, wagging his finger, “No time to be thinking about that!”
Morning looked at him, confused. “No time? I’ve got a whole night left until.. well, you know.”
Taylor took Morning’s hands into her own, “You’re not giving up already, are you?”
“Well, I mean.. I..” Morning scratched the back of her head.
Taylor gave her a stern look, “Oh my god, you can’t give up yet, Morning! After everything?”
“B-but, the evidence. It isn’t there, Taylor..” Morning responded, irked, “Lavender, Tanner, Noraa.. they are all are certain it’s me by now. The killer-- they left nothing behind! It’s hopeless!”
“--that’s not true.”
Morning spun around. There was Chara, sitting on the bed. Nacho stood not far from it. Morning did a double-take behind her to see Hectic and Taylor were now gone.
“They left nothing behind? Do you really believe that?”
Chara’s deathly serious tone sent a chill down Morning’s spine.
“W-well.. I…”
Nacho let out a long sigh, “As long as you let yourself think that, you really are hopeless.”
Chara tossed a tattered notebook at Morning. She caught it narrowly, before inspecting it briefly. “KRAZY” was scribbled on the front in marker.
“Chara.. I can’t.. I already thought it was Pooky.. and then the incident happened, and..”
“Forget about that! Do not forget that he was the next one slated for the execution,”Chara stood up and pointed at the book,“Look at the rest of his play.”
Morning hesitantly looked first to Chara, then to Nacho, and then to the notebook. She flipped to the first page and began reading.
“This is Krazy’s early game. What about it?”
“He’s kept nearly the entire game in his scumpool. He could justify a vote on you with the early scumread, but he drops it later in favour of pushing Tanner and Lavender. He had Hectic as hard locktown early but continuously moves it down, so much so that he can justify voting Hectic later on in the day. Does it strike you as genuine?”
“Okay.. that is not such a big deal, though. Anyone can have wide, shifting reads.”
“Morning! You understand who the killer is, don’t you?”
Morning took a breath. “Yes, I do. But it doesn’t help me one bit.”
“Look at his reads here. You and Puppy are in the same, ambiguous tier marked ‘Review’. Krazy has consistently thought you to be scum, whereas he only interacts with Puppy on small occasion. How did Hectic end up so low? You need to start asking yourself these things, Morning.”
Morning sat down and covered her face with her hands, “Simply not being super towny isn’t enough to build a case. Multiple players became paranoid of Hectic, it was not just Krazy.”
“And besides.. Krazy loathes playing scum, does he not? How does someone who hates playing scum put up a performance like that?”
Chara rolled its eyes. Nacho pushed past it and approached Morning.
“First off, Krazy does not loathe playing scum. He ‘generally prefers playing town’. He only claims to hate scum later while arguing with Alisae. And second off, what makes you think his play does not align with someone who dislikes scum?”
Morning opened her mouth, before being interrupted by Nacho.
“Save it. Turn to page seven.”
Morning complied with his request, flipping through pages until she landed on a section of the game that she recognized well.
“This is the end of day two-- Taylor’s death,” she said, a solemn look appearing on her face, “What’s special about it?”
Nacho sighed again, “Morning, we can’t do everything for you. Don’t you remember something about scum choosing whether or not to take a coin flip?”
“Krazy took it!” Morning blurted out.
“He did. He was aware the day was ending because he knew the implications of you not quick hammering. And yet.. he placed a vote on Hectic by himself, made a lengthy argument justifying why, and ghosted from the thread during the last critical moment. Why?”
Morning allowed herself to get excited for a moment, before suddenly relaxing and sitting back.
“That’s not terrible evidence, I will give you that. But.. the Tanner interactions. How can he lash out at Tanner like that if he does not feel justified? It was so hard for me to believe that I locked him as town on the spot.
“Morning..”Chara hopped off the bed and sat down criss-cross in front of her.
“I know that emotion is a weakness of yours. Let’s look at it again together, shall we?”
Chara took the notebook from Morning and flipped through.
“Look at here and here,” Chara pointed to various places on the page, “Unfortunate as it happened, Krazy took Tanner to be insulting him as a player.”
“Take a look at this one. This makes it clear to me that Krazy’s view of Tanner was as follows: ‘Tanner didn’t actually review the game. He isn’t actually trying to read me. He’s said I’m scum, thought it good enough for him, and is now devoting his time to messing with me. My play is unimportant. Tanner just wants to make me angry.”
Morning thought about this for a moment.
“I suppose that if Krazy believed that, it would be frustrating regardless of alignment.”
Chara nodded. “Keep looking. He thought Tanner’s reasoning was terrible. Again, this would be a frustrating situation for any player. Not just town ones.”
Morning let out a long exhale, “I understand. Thank you.”
Chara smiled and got up. Morning scanned through the rest of the pages to learn as much as she possibly could.
“Redtea actually did follow their scum meta to an extent by not placing any suspicion on other players. The post count is higher.. but that’s it!”
“Krazy was being cleared based off of the no-kills-- he is a very good mechanical player and dislikes playing scum, so why would he make the game harder for himself? But that’s not true-- scum made the correct mechanical decision, it turns out. He really knew what he was doing all along.”
“Damn it! All Krazy had to do was point out that him clearing Tanner was suicide, show why the game state was perfectly set up for Pooky, and then I was in his pocket. I was practically his minion. The reason Krazy cleared Tanner was so he could have access to night killing Tanner! If he didn’t, he’d have to deal with Tanner voting him for both days! I’ve realized it too late.”
“Alisae made Krazy angry. Alisae was pushing him for hidden, possibly nonexistent reasoning. Taunting him too! Of course, Krazy reacted the way he did-- he was taking it as Alisae attacking him, not his play.”
“Puppy’s vote on Krazy during day two did nothing to change the state of the wagon. He didn’t even really have a reason to make that vote.”
Morning took a break from her rambling to look up.
“Chara! Nacho! Thank you! I--”
They were both gone. Morning sat in silence for a while, before getting up to return to bed. She clutched the notebook tightly to her chest, lost in thought for a long time..
“What, not even a ‘Hello’?”
Morning snapped out of her trance. A certain bear she had come to know all too well over the past couple of months stood beside her.
“Pooky!”
She jumped out of bed and hugged onto Pooky tightly.
“I’m sorry. I’m so sorry,” tears welled up in her eyes.
“You know I love you, Tweetie,” Pooky reassured her, “there’s nothing to be sorry for.”
He placed a paw on her head to pat her.
“I really thought it was you.. and then it was too late. And.. and...”
“I know, Tweetie. I know,” Pooky flopped one of Morning’s ears, before letting go of her.
“You’ve got to finish this, now. For all of us. I love you no matter what happens.”-
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I'm here to talk about anything you want if you like
I figured it was over today because of everything. but in the middle of the night, I decided to give it a shot anyway. Just so I can say I tried as hard as I could. Maybe a little late though.
if I had reread D1 and paid more attention to what Hectic said, maybe we could have caught Puppy. Maybe.-
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So many people tried so hard to win this game. Every single dead townie was doing awesome. Especially Hectic who LITERALLY had the entire team. Prism LITERALLY played their heart out. All I did was votepark Krazy and then get my mind changed over and over and over and not defend Hectic hard enough when he needed help
The last critical chance I had to save the game was somehow convincing Pooky to trust me yesterday. Maybe if I had been more careful with my words, or done more to help in the D2/D3 area -- but I just wasn't motivated back then and I wasn't motivated while talking with Pooky
I wish you all had been there for the journey because I've never been as emotional over a mafia game than this one right now-
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You would have been eliminated ending the game had Pooky found it within his heart to trust me. It wasn't meant to be though
If Lav and Noraa are on the fence tomorrow I can breakdown all my reasoning for why Krazy doesn't really have any reason to be town outside of emotional stuff and his exit from the game. Had that not happened, well, we would have gone Krazy first and already won
If I were scum, I am so far gone that I would have opted to leave Tanner alive, as he was pretty much the only one who believed in me. And that is just a fact. There is no universe where scum Morning thinks THIS Xylo is easier than trying to paranoia Tanner, who was, again, the only person in the game that thought I was town.
I want this phase to last as long as you both aren't sure of your votes. Please don't just accept good enough or just take a guess. As long as you aren't sure, let me keep talking. Even if you don't end up trusting me, i feel very guilty for the game getting to this state and i want to right it in some small way by trying as hard as I possibly can.
Of course, if you ever feel like nothing will sway you anymore, dont let me stop you.-
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I'd love to hear elaboration on why its particularly advantageous to me to clear Lavender. I'd have done Alisae and Tanner, the least elimable slots in the game. Lav, you could at least argue was directed to no-kill and vote Tayl0r in the scum chat.In post 5543, the worst wrote:Lav, sorry you're in this position but you passed your opportunity to reevaluate MT yesterday. Do whatever you need to get this right, but please ask yourself why you're still here. ask yourself why you're confirmed. you are here because scum want you to be here, and if you can keep that in mind I think you'll find this a lot easier.
I had a whole theory that Puppy told her to vote Tayl0r, but that was before he knew the deadline would get so tight. But Lav looked at the old message and followed his advice despite it being outdated. Lav was still plenty elimable compared to the likes of Prism/Noraa!
And what exactly points to me wanting Lav to be here? The main side she took this game was when she sided with Pooky to eliminate Hectic! What is it that you're seeing that suggests scum!Morning wants Lav to decide? Or.. are you just making things up?-
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What, and this is useful?In post 5550, the worst wrote:
The only part of the game I'm acutely aware of is y'day/the fact tanner was shot last night after saying he was anxious about locktowning you. I'm not gonna read far enough back. I just need Lav to be self-aware.In post 5545, Morning Tweet wrote:I'd love to hear elaboration on why its particularly advantageous to me to clear Lavender. I'd have done Alisae and Tanner, the least elimable slots in the game. Lav, you could at least argue was directed to no-kill and vote Tayl0r in the scum chat.
This post isn't useful. You're only trying to undermine my point by making vague allusions to the parts of the game I just was not here for.
You're vaguely alluding that Lav being here somehow implicates me, which it doesn't so :/In post 5543, the worst wrote:Lav, sorry you're in this position but you passed your opportunity to reevaluate MT yesterday. Do whatever you need to get this right, but please ask yourself why you're still here. ask yourself why you're confirmed. you are here because scum want you to be here, and if you can keep that in mind I think you'll find this a lot easier.-
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I wasn't. I was confident on Pooky. I gave a great town case for you yesterday. If you call that a mindset for trying to set up a line of miseliminations, you're crazy. Krazy even pointed it out himself -- I was suiciding if Pooky is townIn post 5551, the worst wrote:
If you've been so confident on Krazy for such a long time why did you drop it so hard yesterday? This is a mindset which needs multiple eliminations, not a mindset of seeking truth about alignments.In post 5544, Morning Tweet wrote:If Lav and Noraa are on the fence tomorrow I can breakdown all my reasoning for why Krazy doesn't really have any reason to be town outside of emotional stuff and his exit from the game.
Worst is just saying stuff to get himself over the finish line, I'm the only one here who has actually experienced the game >_<-
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Both of your points so far don't mean anything if you know greater context for themIn post 5555, the worst wrote:ok lav literally proudly refused to reevaluate her read on you yesterday so it literally implicates you. other than that? for the most part i'm just asking her to proceed with caution because scum literally decided who was in this final phase.
what, i'm a late replace-in ergo i'm just scum trying to get across the line?In post 5554, Morning Tweet wrote:Worst is just saying stuff to get himself over the finish line, I'm the only one here who has actually experienced the game >_<
this is the most absurdly false stance i've seen in a long time.
-Scum!Morning doesn't clear Lav and bring her to Xylo. That makes no sense given Lav's previous stances
-At no point was I confident on scum!Krazy. I townread him so hard it's not even funny. Your point that I've been playing to set up a line of miselims is false
i don't blame you for not going through and reading all of this game, I probably wouldn't in your shoes. but your claims don't hold up if you know the context