Mini Theme 2194 : Draft Mafia | Endgame

[Toogeloo]

It is my opinion that at no time should anyone ever claim their packs in this game, ever...like, ever ever. Scum determine the pass, and I'd rather get random junk in the pass than possibly pass something to scum they want.

We don't know if scum can multitask, and I'd prefer not giving them something that benefits that if possible.

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Gamma's questions...

1. Don't have one. I just try to play with what I'm dealt.
2. I don't really consider players in that way ahead of a game, and treat games as sperate entities, so I don't have pools of players I consider limbait, unlimable, or bussable.
3. I have lots of experience with mechanic heavy games. I still mostly suck at certain aspects of the game regardless.
4. I think I town tell a lot, which helps keep me out of limpools, but I am a terrible liar and horrible at dropping crumbs I want people to find.
5. I have no preference here, both have weaknesses, especially swinginess.

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I do think there will be a lot of push for a fast day 1 so people can get their cool powers.

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the last part of question 2 isn't asking who you would bus, it's about who you would think of as a good person to get to endgame in a scumteam with you.

Then just using this PList...
D1 mislim - Shadowslug
---never played with them afaik, so realistically the only name I can place here that probably could eat a mislim on D1.
N1 Kill - LLD or mastina
---Two players I highly respect and always worry about when they last a while due to their experience and aggression.
Long-term scumbuddy - GreyICE
---Grey is savvy and of the games I've experienced with them, they are low-key enough to make it far and still be dangerous.

[Toogeloo]

Nvm doesn’t look like that removes abilities?

Idk I’ll ask the mod

If I'm understanding the rules correctly, picking a role removes it from the pack before the pack of abilities move.

So if you have Roleblock in your pack, and you decide to take it, and then scum say the packs move down 2 people, you will get Roleblock and Pooky will get the rest of your pack. I'm not entirely sure, but it looks like more roles are added to the game as it goes on, so the packs will keep multiple options.

If Pooky were to be lynched today, or die tonight (or LLD), and the sum were moving the packs two spaces down, then they will flip with the packs they had before passing, and their name removed from the list and your pack moves to the next person down, GreyICE.

This is just speculation though. If the pass happens before the kill, Pooky could pass his pack but die with yours. The rules make it seem like the former, but I'm not 100% certain.

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Protective cards should probably be used there if the shot is only usable tomorrow but also how would that work? do you take the card and use it today since it is a day action or do you take the card tonight and use it tomorrow?

I very much suspect that when you draft a role, it becomes an overall part of your toolkit.

If you draft Roleblock on Night 1, and Cop on Night 2, you can then choose to either Roleblock or Cop every night.

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By the way, pronouns:

Infinity 324: he/him
Noraa (the unsigned posts): she/her
Murdercat: he/him

Hydra = more than 1.
More than 1 = they/them
You could take it a step further and use we/us instead of I.

/grin

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I just checked and the earliest it can be used is day 2

This should be obvious.
As of right now, everyone is roleless. We pick from our packs at night, and this game didn't have a Night 0.

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and I agree a protective should be on lunar

I find this to be questionable, however. Don't dictate who should be protected if we have protection. We could have multiple protection, let them decide the best play. Someone could become in town that would be a better choice. DayVig isn't necessarily a strong role worth protecting as it can hit town, or be directed by scum. And then of course you have the fact that Not Mafia claimed it, a notoriously anti-town player, which means it could be a lie, or he wants to draw protection.

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in town = obvtown

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And then of course you have the fact that Not Mafia claimed it, a notoriously anti-town player, which means it could be a lie, or he wants to draw protection.

I was mistaken, Lunar claimed it, but I still stand by not directing protection right now.

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comes in, votes pooky for no reason, then shades me for no reason

I was thinking Grey more so called you an idiot than shaded you, but then there was the vote after the fact.

I'm inclined to think Molla is town here, but could have at least voiced their opinion in a slightly better way about anti-town rolecards.

I think Grey took it to 11 with the vote, and as of right now I'm a little suspicious of it as the attack seems more in the vein of trying to find

anything

to attack that can emulate scum hunting. I really don't see the scum motivation in Molla's post, but it's something that can easily be attacked, giving people who want a way to look active something to do.

I'd be more inclined to vote Grey here.

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#butfirst

VOTE: Pooky

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UNVOTE:

Think that was 10 seconds.

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VOTE: GreyICE

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Or easily summonable.
/grin

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(I'm curious about toog's grey vote, I'm sure they'll talk about it at some point)

Are you serious?

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can you explain bolded?

It's explained following the bold.

Essentially, scum will struggle to find avenues of attack for scum pushes on town, and will push things that look easy to get away with.

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Imagine Pooky actually presenting reads and not just discrediting people.

ngl I highly doubt I will present anything resembling a read.

pizza girl still scum tho

Isn't that a read?

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So put your money where your mouth is. I'm ignoring a stronger avenue of attack on someone to push this on BBMolla because "I can get away with it." So... where is it? Where's the avenue I'm missing?

It's the only avenue you've found.

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Now if you want to volunteer to be a better spot for my vote, I'm happy to play ball.

If you want to OMGUS me, go for it. Fact is, BBMolla's request is literally the only thing that can be construed as game relevant that can have flaws to point out and painted like it was scummy. Everything else in game is zero substance.

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I'm telling you you pretend it's the scummiest thing in thread, but it's really not, just so you can have something that looks like scum hunting.

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You are like all in too, which is hilarious.

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You are like all in too, which is hilarious.

Oh Toog dear, don't think I can't turn around and drive a wagon on you if you beat out my friend BBMolla. You'll find I'm an awfully good wagon driver.

Sure, go for it. I'm legit not scared of ever being wagoned.

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Shakin' in me boots .

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Careful mastina, GreyICE thinks that's a scum tell openly stating you plan to burn a scum role.

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Town-reading Gamma aork.

Kind of concerned this game might turn into a high council game with the PList.

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This is why I'm not a fan of hydras. Three headed hydras are even worse.

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I feel like we're still in RVS. What's the case on Pooky? All I've seen from Pooky's is maybe a little dismissal of the votes and their constant support of eating pizza.

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Molla and Gamma seem pretty obvtown to me. I'm a bit disappointed in the activity of Grey, LLD, and mastina in general. I'm not really interested in a Pooky or pizza lynch today. I wouldn't be sad to see Not_Mafia lynched. Lunar seems like bait.

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But why does mastina, who doesn't have internet, come into the game thread when she does have internet, to tell us repeatedly she won't have internet? And does she not have a phone, or is she hitting her data limits? The game ain't very long, if you are gonna come in and post something anyways, don't remind us that you are still V/LA.

As for Pooky or pizza, they are the top two posters, and as far as I can tell neither have done anything particularly scummy that anyone has bothered to case.

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Toog has never done this much on day 1 before. And all these TRs being given out feel hella unnatural.

I've done a lot? I was actually worried I was lurking too much. Also, I have

two

town reads. I know that's a little more than 10% of the field, but I wouldn't really call it too many.

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can the two other pizza heads and toog explain their townread on bbmolla?

They just feel really sincere. Their delivery of stating taking anti-town roles to keep them from scum differs from other people's delivery, but they are the one's being attacked for it. It feels like legit frustration.

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But why does mastina, who doesn't have internet, come into the game thread when she does have internet, to tell us repeatedly she won't have internet? And does she not have a phone, or is she hitting her data limits? The game ain't very long, if you are gonna come in and post something anyways, don't remind us that you are still V/LA.

As for Pooky or pizza, they are the top two posters, and as far as I can tell neither have done anything particularly scummy that anyone has bothered to case.

Can we not push the "someone is faking irl issues" angle? It's a bit rude and I think Mastina is a better player than that she would need to resort to that at the beginning of Day 1. I think it's reasonable that she keeps us updated when she can. I also think she's Mafia, but that's not why I think so.

I'm not pushing her. I'm word vomiting my opinion. I would use it as evidence if I opted to build a case for it, but I'm not interested in that at the moment. I don't just absolve people for cherry picked reasons. Everything posted in the game should be considered relevant, and the motivations for those posts weighed and measured.

I'm not heartless, but I certainly wouldn't consider it a rude point of view either.

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up to page 5, grabbing food, thanks for the warm welcome everybody

so first why are all of the wagons on town based on the v/c

VOTE: pooky

aggressive and confident little fella this game ain't he

can we please eliminate this

Friendly reminder that willow is Grey's slot, and I have no problems with their lim.b

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I'm trying this new thing where I say things in the thread instead of inside my head.

The best way to play.

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Feels like a 7 player game lol.

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We had another replacement?

Conspiracy Theory, Read At Your Own Risk:

Spoiler:

Scum all replaced out because their carry got force replaced.

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Went from being voted by LLD to being top town read by her replacement. That's interesting lol.

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Meh, I don't pay attention to that kind of stuff. I couldn't tell you who is an alt or main account, and I sometimes don't even know who is in the hydras (or that they even were hydras) I'm playing with even though that info is on the first pages of all the games. Unfortunately for me (I guess), I treat every game as a bubble and don't tend to consider outside forces.

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I'd actually love to see clidd case the pizza party. The ArE is thick there, and I'm still not interested in partaking in the "you"re scum,""no,you're scum," thing going on there.

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The pizza slot is obviously frustrated, and the embodiment of everything that is wrong with hydra slots. I still don't know I would call it scum with confidence.

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Cheesus, just because I don't want you dead yet doesn't mean I'm buddying you. Why is everything so black and white?

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Can we maybe table any talk about Pooky or pizza for like 24 hours?

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Where are we at with the vote count? After some self-deliberation, I'm willing to consolidate anywhere that ends the day and we let night actions and draft pass analysis lead us in Day 2.

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As of right now, I feel strongly that Gamma and Molla are town. NPOM was aiding me in my stance on willow1 (Grey), but I'm not reading them particularly scum or town. To be honest, there isn't much I'm actually scum reading at the moment. Even my push on Grey/willow is just that I thought their attack was opportunistic, though in hindsight could just as easily been an attempt to be proactive instead of idle through RVS.

I just really don't have a lot of solid reads.

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Klick's vote on Flea, and the way they said it, is extremely scummy to me. It came off desperate to look active without talking about the elephant in the room.

I am hesitant to start a new wagon with 2 days to deadline however. We can't even move on past Pooky and pizza, and at this rate we either no lim today, or pick a side in the 1v1.

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: klick

Can we eliminate this, please.

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I could do Klick. Is there a reason you explicitly don’t want Pooky?

I've yet to see anything scummy on either side side, and it's basically been 1v1 since page 1. As far as I can tell, both cases are based in meta experience, and I don't really deal in meta.

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And now, the only other person that was on klick has abandoned it with a naked vote on Gamma.

[Toogeloo]

What's the klick case?

The vote on Flea is bad.

Klick wagon is zzz

This game is zzz. We're headed to a no lim Day 1.

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why does klick pick out someone totally random like flea, who has virtually no chance of being elim'd today, if klick is scum

the very fact they made a vote outside of the lim pool and don't even provide much reasoning attracts a lot of attention and is antithetical to how scum would play this imo

Scum can totally make mistakes. I'm not klick, I can't answer this question, but as it stands, it wasn't a very town post either. An argument can be made similarly, why does town klick avoid talking about anything relevant and place an awkward vanity vote this close to deadline?

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Would you rather lim klick, or no lim at all?

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I mean, seriously, you know a game has gone off the rails if I am trying to lead the town on Day 1.

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We can claim in this game right?

I would, at most, claim the role you might take tonight. Do not claim anything else in your packs.

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Ok I ain't going into full maths but we're talking something like 1e-9% of town doing a true random chance elimination without scum.

That said, it can and does happen. We can't play this on sheer numbers.

VOTE: BBMolla
Stop avoiding the question, why is pizza scum?

Mastina, while I appreciate that you eliminate yourself in your math, you shouldn't be insinuating that your math is inclusive of other slots reads too by eliminating your slot from the equation.

From my perspective, I can very easily see 2 out of 4 people off the wagon that are alive as scum.

@mod: weren't we supposed to be informed how many places our starter packs moved last night, or did I miss it?

Currently planning on voting mastina for spreading misinformation, and poe, I'm never happy with NM playing the way they do as well, but they usually require an investigative to resolve, or will eventually show their colors at some point.

Still feel quite good on my town reads.

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So mastina has my pack from last night, which means I know what I left her.

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With the knowledge that your packs from last night got passed 3 people down the list, does anyone have any conclusions or thoughts on what the new recipients of your old packs might do, or does it affect anyone's reads in any way?

I think mastina is doing some magic with her posts, but it's bad magic. I don't forsee getting support for pushing it right now though, so I'm going to assist Pooky with the pizza push since that really needs to be worked out today, and I trust pooky a bit more here.

VOTE: We brought pizza

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@mod: I'm going to limited activity for the rest of the night and all of tomorrow. I will be in the hospital undergoing extensive nerve testing. Don't fret, I'm not getting the impression anything is wrong.

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Gamma, did you have Miller in your packs last night?

If Gamma didn't have Miller in his packs from Day 1, Flea is 100% today's lim. His reasoning is beyond dumb. Pooky is 100% correct on this.

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Flea & NPOM both not looking good here.

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uh yes you are, good catch

the packs moved 3 slots down

clidd died, so they were skipped in the pass.

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I asked mod, and that was the answer. mastina verified they have the packs I had yesterday.

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Yeah because scum!me is really pushing scum!flea here.

Your responses to the whole situation are not of a town mindset.

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100%, you take Miller this game, you are an idiot. Not going to mince words about it.

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Flea

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Not Mafia?

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Pooky is town. I used a 1-shot Cop ability on him night 1. He should have gotten a gift from me last night with one of the inventor powers I picked up on Night 2.

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Pooky should claim what he got if anything

No

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There is more than one gift giving role?

Why are you fishing for the specific gifts that were given?

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I'm waiting on mastina.

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So. I lied.

I didn't actually cop Pooky Night 1. I wanted to get reactions from it. I think if scum hears there is a cop clear on another player, they immediately attempt to get on that person's good side and dip their reads to adjust to the new narrative.

Math's fight here continues in such an obtuse way, I can't help but town in him.

UNVOTE:

I still think Pooky might be town, and I did send him a gift.

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I got my packs from pizza two nights in a row now. They already know what they passed me, so I'm going to openly claim that I took the inventor pack from them that included a 1 shot of both hider and visitor, and sent one of those to Pooky.

I can also say that after the pass I have the same 3 packs today as what I sent Molla (meaning my leftover packs from Day 2 are identical to the new packs I received).

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VOTE: We brought pizza

My townbin:
Math
Pooky
Mastina
Molla
Gamma

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Oh wait, Gamma is Math. derp. I liked Gamma already, so now Math is near locktown read for me.

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Math... Dude.

I sent my invention to Pooky.
My packs got sent to Molla.

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klick has been executed !he was...

Spoiler:

Welcome ! you are aligned with the

Town

every night, you must pick a role from your pack, this can be done simultaneously with any action

You win is you kill every threat to the town, you may find the game thread here

your starting pack contains the following roles

his pack contained the following roles...

Spoiler:

1-shot Vanilla cop

once during the game, you may check if someone has picked any PR's yet or not

Vanilla

This role posesses no power

Vanilla

This role posesses no power

1-shot doctor

Once during the game, you may protect someone from one kill

Night 1,2 strong-willed

on night 1 and 2, you will always target the player you intended to target

Night 1 starts now and ends in (expired on 2021-02-21 06:43:15), remember to pick a role from your packs

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t(T_Tt)

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#mathIsInHis30s

youngin'.

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FYI if you’re scum fake claim powers better.
A mod almost never puts in a one shot cop as a starting power on N1.
Powers are meant to escalate.
A cop has very little to possibly advance into.

Hence NPOM is sus for taking motion detector and not letting it advance into a good power.

I probably played wrong in general then since I thought new powers were going to be added and that the best play was to take the actual powers first. I've been taking the things that actually give me things to do and passing the weaker things.

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Wow... there is all kinds of things wrong with that vote count.

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I'm voting, and yet not voting. Math is voting, and yet not voting.

NPOM has 3 votes with two voters? So Math or Shadow are double voting, or NPOM has the hated modifier?

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I can say I started with an inventor role. I did not use it on N1 so it was passed along.

its easy to figure out where the Inventors are. I got my inventor pack from either Not Mafia or MurderCat depending on whether the pack passed over Clidd (which I think it did, so MC). If mastina passed on her pack, then Pooky became an inventor and sent his gift to Molla.

Ta-da!

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I guess that could theoretically mean Pooky/Molla team. I'll have to think about it.

PEdit: mastina claimed passing inventor. It moved 3 spots, so it got passed to you, or mastina lied.

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Oh wait, I forgot klick died. Willow would be the second inventor that sent the gift to Molla.

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Willow has the second inventor slot, formerly GreyICE, and sent a gift to Molla.

Everyone agree on that?

So, would gypx allow scum to use their teammates powers in the event that the player in control of the power wasn't making any choices?

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A50, can you please ask the mod if you don't have the info, all actions your slot has taken at game start and make sure you are made aware of all packs your slot started with and were passed.

Your slot needs to verify something, and know that even if you verify it, there might be some suspicion on your slot from some parties in direct regard to interactions with other players.

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Ship of Theseus game.

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There's a certain underlying humor in the slot that was hard scum reading Molla Day 1 sending them a gift Night 2.

Why does a 3-player Hydra need to be prodded?

Replacements suck.

Just thinking out loud.

VOTE: NPOM

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I'm not going to replace out, but I'm extremely overwhelmed in real life right now, and way over gamed in mafia. I also haven't been feeling like playing the past week or so. I don't know if it's a slump or just exhaustion, but I probably need a break after I finish my current games.

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Actually, no.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Almost50

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Can we even get the votes to lim pizza?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Pizza

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How do people deal with mafia-aligned Not Mafia, out of curiosity? Do they eventually policy lynch the slot, or does NM require scanners to be limable?

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4 votes on unwnd with 2 voters.

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Oh, wait, missed the VFP vote, whoever that is lol.

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I do often feel as if Mathblade is bad at town. I still remember the trainwreck of Bears.

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Still probably better than me though. /grin

My mantra is always, "If we lose, it was my fault. If we win, I had nothing to do with it."

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Pooky, you want pizza dead, why not vote?

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Feel free to eat pizza now .

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: unwnd

Whatever...

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I think it's mastina and not mafia right this moment.

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It isn't

Oh, sorry. Guess I am wrong.

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I took no action last night that would do anything to prevent a kill.

What did we figure out yesterday that put us in a 1v1 between mastina and NPOM/unwnd? I haven't liked mastina's slot since Day 2 as her analysis is always flawed.

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I told you all, I did nothing last night that would in any way, shape, or form, interact with any other player or cause a redirection, protection, kill, or otherwise on anyone else including myself. I travelled nowhere and minded my own business. Anyone who interacted with me did not have anything to do with the resolution of last night's actions.

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It matters because pizza passed you things.

Pizza died, the pass happens after the kill.

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I got the same thing in packs everyone has probably been getting the last 2 nights. I still have my Night 1 ability however, and it's unlimited use.

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If anyone is still getting packs that have something other than Vanilla, color me impressed.

As to your second question... You dont get to know that info...yet.

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Because no one needs to know what it is until I have reason to believe they do.

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You can stop repeatedly asking btw. I'm not budging on this.

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VOTE: mastina

Probably not moving unless someone posts an ironclad case.

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VFP could be scum here. I was thinking about how shady they were with the unwnd double vote yesterday.

Also, of note, mod mentioned they had to delay day start due to resolution issues with night actions.

I think taking into account the 1v1 with unwnd and mastina though yesterday, I have to stick with mastina as my vote for now. But your analysis could be all for naught if someone is lying about an action.

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I think analysis of pack passing might be useful here as well.

Pizza passed their night 1 packs to you, Mathblade.

Shadowslug/VFP had a Double Vote and a Bus Drive, one of which they could have started with in their packs, or both passed to them. Molla would have had to have passed one or both to them.

We've had multiple 3 spot passes the first couple nights and then a 2 spot pass last night.

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Some things to chew on. Feel free to expand on the passing thing, if you think it helps too.

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Ignore that for now then.

Just based on okay, what's your PoE?

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And for the umpteenth-millionth time. What I did last night had no bearing on the night action resolution involving kills, redirects, or protections.

You already know I picked inventor night 2 and sent a hider gift to Pooky that same night, and the inventor was given to me by Not Mafia, so he knows what other gifts was in it as well. You also know that I very likely only had Vanilla packs given to me the last two night since I claimed as much.

The only thing you don't know is what I picked on Night 1. I still have it. It's unlimited use. You don't get to know what it is.

Mastina is just a gut vote right now in lieu of waiting for an actual case.

I'm actually starting to think VFP might be scum though just based on play.

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Yeah, my bad. Forgot clidd died, so I got my packs from Pizza, and Math didn't.

Math got his packs from Shadowslug/VFP.

Molla just replaced out, so got to wait for the replacement to confirm passing Bus Driver to VFP.

Anyways, the point I was trying to make earlier is that given all information that was claimed, and the resolution still seems gummed up, someone is lying, ergo try solving in another way.

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Pizza had a 1-shot deflector, was that taken into consideration?

And I feel like this might be one if those games where I go through the gamut of suspicions. Could Pooky and Pizza be doing scum theater all game? Pooky couldn't have resolved hiding behind pizza, or Pooky would have needed additional protection.

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VOTE: Not Mafia

Come play and do something.

When unsure elim a lurker I guess?

Eliminating scum would be better

Man, I struggle to find holes in your logic every time you post.

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Not Mafia

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Daystart will be slightly delayed cuz i'm sick and there's a problem with resolving night actions, shouldn't be too long hopefully

It was obviously a convoluted night if the mod even had issues, Math.

At this point, I'm open to anything I guess. If mafia is in Math, mastina, pooky, then their WIM is higher than anything else the game is putting out and deserve a win. I can't in good conscious look there for today.

While we wait for a Molla replacement into this Ship of Theseus game, maybe Not Mafia could elaborate on their reads and give us a PoE.

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I can confirm that I was likely bussed last night between mastina and myself.

I sent my last invention to mastina during the night and received it myself at end of night.

Btw: I took no action yesterday's previous night.

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Is this one of those games where scum just dgaf all game?

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I'll wait for Pooky and Math before laying a vote.

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I just really don't see a world where scum Pooky claims to hide behind his dead scum buddy. And does scum Pooky come out the gate in massive scum theater doing a 1v1 against his partner?

What boggles (or somewhat troubles) me is the seemingly unlimited bus driving VFP has.

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Night 1 and Night 2, Molla's packs got passed to VFP.

How does VFP end up with unlimited bus driver without it going through scum first?

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I'm wondering if this started with a weaker bus drive pack, it got passed to Molla, and in order to power it up, scum decided to pass it to slug/VFP knowing that a role like that is strongest in their most town read scum member.

No scum shoots me at night right now with Pooky, Math, and mastina as bigger threats, so an angle shot on mastina seems more likely.

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Someone correct me if I'm off base here.

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Don't say angleshoot

Why?

I'm fine eliminating A50 if we need to, but I really suspect that something odd is up with an unlimited bus driver making it this far. I'm fairly certain most of the town aligned players did what I did and passed vanilla and kept power every time, thus getting weaker 1-shots and passives, but scum were able to power up roles by passing within themselves a little bit.

Bus driver isn't something I'd expect to be more than 1-shot if taken early, and I don't see scum passing it to town.

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A50 does have a certain degree of respect for my night play, so I suppose it's entirely plausible he shot me last night, but I always have a good grasp of my position in a game and even I know I am a questionable night kill.

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I have never been on MU. My forum mafia experience is gamefaqs and mafiascum, and that's it.

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How about bank shot? Mastina was killed by bank shotting it off me >_>.

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Which is why I'm arguing in favor of possible Slug/VFP scum. From a night pass perspective with a strong version of bus driver, it make sense.

Killing me over any of the near confirmed town only makes sense if someone was legit scared of me. A50 respects me, but doubt he's scared of me.

The only other realistic possibilities are:
A) scum don't like that I fight the narrative.
B) someone tried to vig me and scum's shot was blocked.

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Whatever...
I've said my peace.

VOTE: Almost50

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If game isn't over, I will be voting VFP when it comes time to vote, fair warning. I do have my invention to use tonight that I gifted myself /grin.

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I'm certainly glad I town blocked 2/3rds the scum team day 1. Thank goodness for apathetic mafia.

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I totally misunderstood the powered up powers portion of the rules. I was thinking new powers were going to be added, and didn't realize it was powers in packs powered up as they were passed until like Day 3.

I probably would have just taken Vanillas every night knowing what I know now. But I suspect most townies didn't grasp that either.

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also toog, did you miss me telling you you were in a hood?

Apparently I did. One of the many pitfalls 8f being over gamed.

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I see it now. The invite didn't stand out to me because it was in with the packs, and the packs were obviously a bit more prevalent to the eye.

Sorry, Not Mafia lol.

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Also realizing I only buddied Molla Day 1 (for some reason though A50 was Gamma's replacent). I was right about GreyICE scum. Replacements suck. I couldn't keep track of who was who anymore.