mini theme 2229: MBOS 13 schweppes' pulpy potions daya 5

[NorwegianboyEE]

Aw man, why didn't you start the game while i was bored out of my mind standing guard at the local museum today.
Now i'm free for the rest of the weekend. :[

VOTE: Mastina Because you made me sad last game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Do mafia have a nightkill or do they just toss poison at people.

[NorwegianboyEE]

They probably force us to drink Schweppes tonic water®. That is so bitter and disgusting.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm going to take this at face value and assume you're not the sort of person to fake this sort of thing. Unless you say you are.

Do i look like the sort of guy that reads setups.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I won't even acknowledge post 11's existence because it seems to contain math.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Dwlee do you feel sad you didn't roll town with me this time.

[NorwegianboyEE]

How do you know I didn't roll town with you :monocle:

You seem teeeenseeee~

[NorwegianboyEE]

Which one? Past, present, future? Perfect? : flushed:

Subtly trying to avoid the answer.

We gottem boys.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I like NorwegianboyEE and Green Cap Boys

VOTE: Dwlee

I like me too.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Which one? Past, present, future? Perfect? : flushed:

Subtly trying to avoid the answer.

We gottem boys.

What answer

No question

Just interpret things the way they sound in my head.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It hit itself in it's confusion.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I feel like scum are more likely to call out town for sounding town on first page.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Guys, meta is good.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Meta is a tool.
And tools, as all things. Can be used for both good and evil.

It can correctly deduce scum and it can be used by scum as an way to falsely clear themselves by emulating it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Who wants to try my poison soup.
It's an home recipe.

For real i once made an soup where i dumped half an glass jar of Tom Yum paste into the casserole of soup stock and served it to my family. It was the most foul and spicy thing i've ever created. We all had diarrhea for days afterwards.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Dwlee seemed like a very efficient robot as scum in the last game we had.

[NorwegianboyEE]

But he knew how kick it down and relax.... in the scum PT.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Meesa propose that the senate give immediately emergency powers to the Supreme Chancellor.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Me if I had a scum PT: see, this is why meta is bad

Too bad we can't be chilling in there just like good old times.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Just because someone goes around shooting lightning bolts from their hands they are supposedly "bad".
HAH!

Tsk, Tsk Tsk, i weep tears of sorrow for you Ta Vera.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What do the numbers mean Bingle? What do the numbers in post 11 MEAN??

Blah blah numbers, blah blah Schweppes pulp, numbers, blah blah blah, toxic potions, numbers, blah blah, numbers numbers, algebra, numbers. THE NUMBERS!!
NUMBERRRRRSSSS

[NorwegianboyEE]

So it’s like playing the lottery on whether you get kills or not.
Gotcha.

[NorwegianboyEE]

My ingredients are sugar and spice, and everything nice.

[NorwegianboyEE]

does anyone want to vote The Emperor with me?

Why did you scumread them again?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Dunnstral is probably scum in some other game, you're just too sensitive to his aura.

[NorwegianboyEE]

An secret alt has an meta read, oh boy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

what about the back and forth between me and The Emperor? mechanics talk isn't the only thing that has been happening. it was only a piece for a little bit.

I didn't care.

Strange response

VOTE: Titus

Don’t hate votes on Titus.
Their posts and mood seem strange...


...er than usual.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I've traveled here from the future to inform you that 8 is not a townslip.

-S

Ok, Bingle already said this earlier.
You seem like you really want to hammer that point across.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: The Limit Does Not Exist
Serious vote.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The last four posts are incredibly weird and I would like to know more.

Scummy post was scummy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hm, I thought that you had a poor record of reading me, but that doesn't seem to be the case. So I'll walk that back a bit.

Why do you think it was scummy?

-S

Seemed like you were trying really hard to make people not townread me.
As in, you didn’t try to actively read me but have an agenda of not wanting me to be townread.
And it also came after Bingle said the same, which means it’s not even your opinion but just restating something that was already said in order to influence the gamestate in an scummy direction.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Emperor, shoot force lightning at the scummy hydra.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yes that is what i said.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Who said they would need to be panicky? It just felt sinister to me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If they do this all games then i suppose it’s not AI, but to me it felt like it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why would me finding something to be scummy mean i am scum? I don’t see the connection.

[NorwegianboyEE]

UNVOTE:
Explain why it's scummy for me to scumread them here Datisi.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i order to classify *that* as "trying really hard to push an agenda", i'd assume the scum would have to be really panicky and desperate - or that you'd have to think they're panicky.

And how does your read change now that you know i didn't see them as "panicky" but more as scum subtly manipulating the game?

[NorwegianboyEE]

i don't believe that "he's trying REALLY HARD to push an AGENDA to STOP ME FROM GETTING TOWNREAD" is a genuine thought town has as a reaction to that. the comment felt waaay too casual / non-threatening, and gut tells me you purposefully have to be taking it the worst way possible in order to have the conclusion / reaction to it that you did.

So you see me as an very calm and level-headed individual as town? With the experience you have of my town playstyle up to now?

[NorwegianboyEE]

You're claiming that:
A: It's not an valid reason to scumread someone. (When S_S has himself said he get's called out for this often)
B: I'm reacting way too overblown. (When you know i play really impulsively and is not afraid to take the hard stances whenever i feel like i'm on a lead in a game as town.)

All in all it makes me feel not too great about you Datisi, i think this is an bad take you have on me and if S_S is town then you might be white knighting him to try to get me eliminated for pushing him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

but 183 feels like overselling it and like fake confidence and like purposefully exaggerating, to the point i'm not sure i vibe with it anymore.

What was fake confidence in your opinion?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think S_S could be town for their response here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

A: It's not an valid reason to scumread someone. (When S_S has himself said he get's called out for this often)

quote where i said this.

-D

You implied it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Do you want me to directly quote you, when your vote speaks for itself?

[NorwegianboyEE]

it feels like scum fake confidence rather than town one.

Why?

[NorwegianboyEE]

"It is scum rather than town confidence"
Why is this? This isn't a good take.

[NorwegianboyEE]

like the sole reason why i'm voting you is the way you went around your suspicion on s_s, not the reason itself you used to suspect him. come on norwee, you're smarter than this.

-D

And i'm saying this is an bad reason to scumread me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

it feels like scum fake confidence rather than town one.

Why?

i have already explained it... your reaction to it felt overblown. i don't think town reacts like that. because i don't think town believes someone saying that one (1) post they made on page (1) not being a townslip is

trying very hard to push an agenda and stop them from getting townread

. it feels like you picking and choosing what to attack. so the overconfidence feels way more like scum trying to sell a fake read than town feeling confident in their read.

-D

And what would you think if you knew i was town. That i just react differently than you'd ever expect?

[NorwegianboyEE]

You claim i was trying to eliminate S_S for an shitty reason, i decided to pull back on S_S when i realized it might be NAI and i liked his response so that is clearly proven wrong. Sure you can claim i did it in response to you, but that is your fault for intervening in my solving process by claiming i have fake confidence when you know i can be cocky as hell as town and it should be completely NAI if you really tried to solve me here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Im still considering if this might be just TvT between us, but god damn you trying to claim my confidence is scum indicative really annoys me to no end when i feel like you should know way better and that there are more convenient ways for you to solve me than tunneling on this if you're town here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

A: It's not an valid reason to scumread someone. (When S_S has himself said he get's called out for this often)

Called out for it as both alignments, always spuriously. So it is in fact not a good reason.

-S

But common.

[NorwegianboyEE]

A: It's not an valid reason to scumread someone. (When S_S has himself said he get's called out for this often)

Called out for it as both alignments, always spuriously. So it is in fact not a good reason.

-S

s_s, the point is that norwee is claiming that i said that that was a bad reason and that that's why i think he's scum, when i literally never said that.

-D

Ok i will give you that, but i'm still town and your claim that i'm too confident is still shit so...

[NorwegianboyEE]

i mean, pushing someone as scum doesn't have to be with a single goal of yeeting that exact person for that reasoning, and i never claimed that. what did you like about his response, and why did you trust him that what he did is nai, wouldn't fypov scum!him be very likely to argue that regardless?

Same as what you're saying about "the context, the way the stars are alligned, the way you said it" regarding my confidence being scum indicative.
Except i could be right.

[NorwegianboyEE]

and i don't feel like i'm tunnelling? like i'm giving you openings to more fully explain what you're thinking.

Except you're not giving room for any other interpretation other than: "Norwegian is scum for post X's confidence". You can frame it however you want, that is your stance and what i'm calling out for being wrong.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok i will give you that, but i'm still town and your claim that i'm too confident is still shit so...

i think the confidence itself is probably nai

, knowing you. my issue is what that confidence was accompanied with, rather what it was trying to sell.

please learn to read.

So what is it now?

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you're explaining it badly, how do you expect me to understand your read?

[NorwegianboyEE]

i don't believe that "he's trying REALLY HARD to push an AGENDA to STOP ME FROM GETTING TOWNREAD" is a genuine thought town has as a reaction to that. the comment felt waaay too casual / non-threatening, and gut tells me you purposefully have to be taking it the worst way possible in order to have the conclusion / reaction to it that you did.

what part of "you're taking the worst possible interpretation of s_s's post and trying to sell it as big mean scum trying their best to murder your poor townie soul, when it feels very overblown and detached from what actually happened, to the point i think you're purposefully acting malicious" is difficult to understand? like the confidence itself is w h a t e v e r. the issue is what you're trying to sell with it.

-D

What is this issue? I fail to see it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can you like, talk English.

[NorwegianboyEE]

that's not my stance. and i'm giving you room - to explain why you thought my push was "ur reasoning isn't valid!!" when it wasn't, i gave you room to explain what made you change your mind on s_s, i asked you why you're "blaming me" when apparently my intervention helped you read s_s better...

-D

What does it matter if you help me on a read when someone that could either be town or scum is scumreading town!me for an odd reason i do not understand? It seems at first you claim my read on S_S was the problem, then you say it was actually the confidence, and now you say it was the context in which it happened. I'm having trouble even keeping up with your logic.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i don't know how clearer i can say that taking s_s's "8 isn't a townslip" as a huge tryhard scum agenda push designed to stop everyone from townreading you is SO DETACHED from what is actually going on in the thread, to the point where you have to be purposefully pretending to think that.

But i was clearly not pretending, it was an real thought i had at the time i made the post.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok i'm pretty confident in my townread on GCB now. Their anger seems genuine.
Which means scum might be in the slots that was voting with me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Titus
Gonna go here for now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i don't know how clearer i can say that taking s_s's "8 isn't a townslip" as a huge tryhard scum agenda push designed to stop everyone from townreading you is SO DETACHED from what is actually going on in the thread, to the point where you have to be purposefully pretending to think that.

But i was clearly not pretending, it was an real thought i had at the time i made the post.

and that's the part i don't believe. and i'm giving you chances to explain the rest of your thought process regarding s_s, but all you're choosing to do is misrep my push against you, sooooooo...

If i'm misrepping you it's accidental and clearly not deliberate on my part. Why would i do such shitty misreps if i was scum here?

[NorwegianboyEE]

explain what made you turn around on s_s?

Their response to pressure has felt gut town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also i feel like if they were scum they would probably encourage you to vote me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That is not what they've done the whole way, rather they seem to be genuinely asking questions to ascertain both our allignment.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I feel like I should note I don't endorse Datisi's read of Norwee but was content to let it play out earlier because there was the possibility it might lead to Something, rather than Nothing, which was what was happening outside that.

-R

I also appreciate our fight leading to something happening rather than nothing.

*Bows in respect*

[NorwegianboyEE]

momrangal is replaced by Fairy Circle (hydra of momrangal & flea the magician)

Not more hydras.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Emperor what do you think about Datisi’s twin brother claiming they disagree on Datisi’s take on me?

[NorwegianboyEE]

hm. this just occured to me: norwee, wasn't there a ~recent game we played in where someone asked if they should townread me for my emotions, and you said that they shouldn't because i got pissy in smuggler's? why do you think my anger here is genuine? (let me know if i'm mixing something up, right now i cannot even remember where this happened or if i'm making things up.)

-D

I think you're right. I do remember it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I've spent about 10 minutes searching and i can't find the game. ;(

[NorwegianboyEE]

Because it feels townie...? It's not like i analyzed your posts, it just feels to me like a typical townie response.
I don't know why i didn't feel the same in Smuggler port because it's way too long ago but it probably wasn't the same if my conclusion is different here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Generally speaking, angry "OMG MISREPPED MY POSTS U SCUUUUMMMMM" usually come from town you know.
You probably didn't react that way in Smuggler port or you did it in an much more relaxed and malicious manner.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So like going over it. I think this is the closest we get to "anger" from scum!Datisi's side. Which sure, could be similar to what we're seeing here.
But i don't think scum!Datisi would bring this up as it just brings attention to the fact that they could be more likely to be scum in this game which is an ?? point.

Spoiler:

Subject: Smuggler's Port [Game Over]

objectively speaking, i think we get a new fresh pool to investigate tomorrow, since if we execute town today we know there's scum in the 2 people anyway, and if we hit scum ~odds it's gonna be a waste

from my pov, i'm townreading moment so spiritual vote on notscience + +1 to norwee moving to wheat already

thinking further on this, if we're using the "second pool" only if the today's execution flips scum (since if they flip town we exe in the other 2), then the second pool should be people who have partner equity with the day's lynch, no? fml preflip associates...

~

I’ll look again at their and notscience’s reactions to being in the pool though (and datisi’s I guess?)

hi have you done this yet

also i'm obvtown because you didn't get n1'd, you're welcome

~

vague +1 on moment/nk15 probably not svs

~

you also don't understand how bad icon is with mechanics

~

s_s's day 2 is giving me different vibes than in jk9++

~

My ratio for likelihood of being scum in this pool is about
80% likelihood it's Datisi
19% Likelihood it's NotScience
1% Likelihood it's Moment.

These probabilities should not add up to 100%.

And also, they're awful, but that's a different issue.

can you talk more about this? what is your read on me?

~

norwee, holy fucking shit. people have given reasons why they think you're scum. i've given them. moment has given them. you haven't even tried to interact yet you keep fucking crying. you claim my tOwN aNd ScUm mEtA is night and day, yet you've played

one game

with me

six months ago

where i was

a mason

(which guess what, already meant that i'm gonna be playing that game vastly different than usual). mena and ico have played with me much more and recently, they're both townreading me, yet you don't even bother to interact with them about it?

~

pedit: lol funny, have you completely missed mena's posts this game, nk15? when did notscience go from being in your suspect pool to being lhf?

ppedit: i am literally right here[/quote]

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ops. Stupid quote shit. I hate quoting from locked threads.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh you have ingredients in your role PM?

Just poison. I was implying I might have more than one in case Schadd told me this setup had closed elements to obscure information, but it turns out the ingredients are publicly a red herring.

It is the only ingredient you have correct?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm extremely dissapointed in Bingle not having anything to say at all about the latest pages except for that avoiding stance of "would like to know more".

[NorwegianboyEE]

Bingle hasn't talked about it at all.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Neither slot in a hydra posting does look pretty bad.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I have a reason to suspect Bingle but i’m also not wanting to divulge into the reasons for that read.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Bingle
Again, i'm not wanting to share the info yet. But i feel like Bingle said something that's very ++scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Or maybe Bingle said something intentionally scummy so he could become the 1st elimination to set up his teammates to win and get rid of an negative utility role.

:bigbrain:

[NorwegianboyEE]

Help, i'm being assaulted by numbers and mechanics talk.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Divide and Conquer!Bingle still triggers me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I keep refreshing the page looking for new content to engage with now that i'm finished with work but nothing is happening.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwee, perhaps you may give me a brief overview of what the hell I just read from your side of things?

What do you mean? I've solved Datisi's hydra slot as likely town, and also the S_S hydra.
My main suspicions right now are on Bingle and i'm nullscum on Titus.
I've kinda liked Emperor one second and thought they was scummy the next but overall i get the impression they are most likely town. I also feel like they've put a lot of effort into solving the game and i liked their analyzis of me and Datisi's shitfight earlier.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I just went from 100 to feeling dead tired and yawning a lot...

[NorwegianboyEE]

Could you elaborate on Bingle and Titus? I haven't really felt strongly either way on Bingle, but I do quite like Titus thus far.

-Malefleacent

No i don’t want to elaborate on Bingle yet.
Titus, just really meh so far.
Also what do you make of them saying you need votes? They don’t seem to underline much of any of their votes so far with much reasoning.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Dwlee why won’t you be more active.

I’m expecting an report on my desk by five that outlines every scum in the game with solid reasoning.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Bingle turning to talk about only mech to appear solvy?

[NorwegianboyEE]

But it’s the only thing you talk about.
In your townplay in DaC you also tried to solve peoples allignment.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m going Bingle.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And also in my scumplay in DaC.

Lol no.
What you did there was be a scumbutt.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m going Bingle.

I’m assuming I’m the lim today, tbh, and I’m not really fighting it because I have no potions. The real question is can I orchestrate a mass action chain to follow after I die.

You’re not gonna fight it?
Now i feel unsure.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Considering scum has a lot of voice in this town.
3 scum VS just 8 town
Bingle could be too easy so i’n gonna think about it more.
UNVOTE:

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hey i don't regret voting Bingle if it's gonna make him put out a lot of posts.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Some people just need a good vote in the butt to start towning i guess.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hey i don't regret voting Bingle if it's gonna make him put out a lot of posts.

TIL, Norwee doesn't really love me. He just wants me to put out.

Wat?

[NorwegianboyEE]

A...Anyway.
I think we should do the foolproof strategy of kill all hydras. But let's start with the scummy ones since Datisi hydra is a good boy.

VOTE: Fairy Circle

[NorwegianboyEE]

cass.bruant

He has a splendid name and it's called T3.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Actually it's more like PoE at this point tbh.

[NorwegianboyEE]

ta vera
The Limit Does Not Exist (hydra of Something_Smart and lilith2013)
Green Cap Boys (hydra of Retti and Datisi)
T3 cass.bruant
The Emperor
NorwegianboyEE
Dwlee99
Titus
Bingle
mastina
Fairy Circle (hydra of Momrangal and Flea the Magician) Momrangal

Townpings from Green Cap Boys, Emperor, Bingle, The Limit Does Not Exist, Ta Vera (Ordered by strength of read)
So vote in T3, Dwlee, Titus, Fairy Circle, Mastina ish. (Mastina and Dwlee i feel like i got some reasons to think could be town but they are also a bit weak so i dunno)
Like i feel like Dwlee is being a bit scummy in a vacuum but going by experience he feels super different from how he played as scum in our previous game, and Mastina seems fine but i need more from them before i can locktown. (Which i usually do as i feel Mastina is super easy to read once they get into the game)

[NorwegianboyEE]

Green Cap Boys, Emperor, Bingle i never think flips scum tbh.
My Bingle read just went 180 wow.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Modkill them and flip them scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Annoyingly you're one of the reads we're torn on...

-Miffed Malefleacent.

What's the matter friend? Why are you so torn?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I want you to explain why Mom thinks Norwee is town and Mom to explain why you think Norwee is scum.

On my desk by five.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Do mafia have a nightkill or do they just toss poison at people.

the obvious question here is: is this a real townslip?

I don't know. I could see scum looking at the rules or whatever and realizing 'wtf I don't have a nightkill better townslip '

Why would exactly that be my first thought if i was scum?

[NorwegianboyEE]

If i was scum here my first thought would probably be like:
"Oh shit, how do i pocket Mastina/Bingle/Datisi, i’m so screwed help!!"

[NorwegianboyEE]

And then on night 1 i’d be like: "Let’s kill Datisi... wait we don’t have a nightkill??"

[NorwegianboyEE]

In an open setup i once crumbed Vanilla Town in an setup without Vanilla Town as an mafia goon. For one of my first posts in the game.
I think that tells everyone all they need to know about my planning and forethought.
I would not fake crumb like T3 suggests once the game just started. Impossible.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Momcinda thinks you're town, I don't.

-Malefleacent

+town I think.

This is also an really easy way to fake town as an hydra though.
"Hey Flea, if you say you scumread Norwee while i townread them it will look town, because Townie dissonance is townie. Datisi was doing it with Retti so we need to copy!!"

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hydra dissonance is townie*

[NorwegianboyEE]

townbloc: T3, Norwee, Emp, GCB

Ok, i’m fine with it for now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Scum are Fairy Circle, Titus, Ta Vera?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ta Vera is starting to feel like that scumslot who efforts early game but then gradually get’s bored and then you realize in their abscence that they were never all that townie.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Ta Vera

[NorwegianboyEE]

They need the pressure.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Bingle could be too easy so i’n gonna think about it more.

Bingle's already had some people defend him, and let me ask you this:

Bingle (4):

mastina, The Emperor, Dwlee99, NorwegianboyEE

Who of these four is scum?

If the answer you come up with is "none of them", then

Why does a wagon at L-2 with three scum in the game have no scum in it?

Granted, admittedly, there could be scum there. Emperor I think is town but I'm not absolutely sure is town, Dwlee is *static* to me in being a blank, and even you I'm struggling to lock down for sure.

But if there's no scum on the wagon...then you should be wondering why there's no scum on Bingle's wagon.

Right, i wanted to get back to this.
While i think you’re making an decent point and the wagon composition might in fact be all town. (I’m kinda townreading Dwlee just for being so different to his scumgame with hardly trying to appear town at all)
I still don’t think it’s utterly damning, and i liked his posts from that point onwards and i agree with T3’s point of: "Bingle should be better at mechanics as scum to know better than to claim something that looks utterly scummy." Therefore i can only assume he did so because it is real, and Schadd felt like adding an miller type role that looks scummy by default but is town.
By the way Bingle, if you do in fact carry a whole shit ton of pain potions as i suspect, i recommend you don’t use it unless you clearly state who you’d be using it on and why.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m not that great at math but even i can figure out that even if we assume 4 town are voting ok player X. It is still statistically more likely they are town because it’d be an pool of 4 town and 3 scum to vote from.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Actually, calculation of probability has become one of my secret pleasures lately.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ta Vera is starting to feel like that scumslot who efforts early game but then gradually get’s bored and then you realize in their abscence that they were never all that townie.

I don't think her vanishing completely is AI although she certainly

could

be scum

It’s more that i see a lot of slots i previously suspected as town so now i’m suspecting Ta Vera for not reaching up to that level.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you wanna be Link i can be the sassy haughty princess Datisi.

Just make syre to retort: well excuuuuuuuuuse me, Princess

[NorwegianboyEE]

This is absolutely awful and I pray Momcinda resolves her tech issues soon so that we may take a united stance upon this.

How is it awful? It’s an genuine strategy i’ve even done myself with Gamma in a scum hydra.
Are you claiming this is an impossible thing for scum!you to do?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also we’ve seen a LOT of Flea and very little of Momrangal. So i’m not saying it’s impossible for town!you to disagree on a read on me. But it’s all based on the words of purely Flea that you two supposedly disagree so it’s difficult to verify the truth of these statements and see if it’s actually genuine.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And that therefore proves the rule? False dissonance to generate townreads upon us? As opposed to "Well yes there is a disagreement on reads, but we will resolve this between us and act accordingly"

You know i’m not actually trying to super push you as scum based on this point alone. I’m just saying i do not think your hydra dissonance is townie because it could be faked.
Do you disagree that it could be faked?

[NorwegianboyEE]

What false dissonance?
I’m not an hydra.
And i don’t care about Mom’s abscense. That’s got nothing to do with my point.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyway i do not wish to fight you on this. I’ve stated my point and i believe it is logical and just. You may disagree but i’m not discussing it anymore.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Lol.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Talking about things that matter is scary and best left to the grownups.

Yeah, leave that to super duper grownups like me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That I can see your awful assault upon is is based upon false dissonance and the absence of Momcinda.

Oh, for crying out loud. Disagreeing with one read on you is not an "awful assault". Norwee doesn't know you well enough to know if fake dissonance is a good tactic

for you specifically

-- he's only thinking of it in general.

I don't know you well enough to say that either, but it doesn't seem to me that it's especially likely to get you in trouble? Like if anything it gives you more flexibility since you can ultimately come down on whichever side you like and say one head convinced the other.

-S

One clearly does not care for theatrics. A read was made, and reinforced. I simply took a hammer to that reinforcement and left the rubble as Norwee attempted to change the positions we stood.

Nobody knows how myself and Momcinda operate in a hydra pair - so yes, that cannot be read, and the dissonance is NAI.
I am known for the conviction of my reads, anyone whom has played with me will know some of my reads are incredibly hard to shift.

Now as for this read that is being disagreed with, it is my understanding that Norwee is of the mind that we are to be eliminated, as the scummiest hydra.
The reasons given, are awful. The reinforcement to those reasons, is pitiful, and the follow up is laughable.
To me, those reasons seem fairly well directed at being used against us, not as a generality.

The reasons given, as I understand them, are that our dissonance is faked, and that Momcinda is absent.

Norwee has since disengaged under guise of believing that I think he is a hydra, which I clearly know he is not given we have played together before.

His reasons are weak, his disengagement is weak.

-Male

Flea

cent.

Kay.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nobody knows how myself and Momcinda operate in a hydra pair - so yes, that cannot be read, and the dissonance is NAI.

I think we are on the same page, then. I certainly don't think your dissonance is scum indicative. (And I believe Norwee also feels that way?)

-S

I’m not even voting them atm, if i really was so sure about it being scum indicative i would be going at them much harder.
Flea is taking my read of one specific trait T3 found to be town indicative that i disagreed with and painting it as an ubiquitous assault upon their person. Which i don’t really care to respond to in any more way than: "talk to the hand".

[NorwegianboyEE]

I also wasn’t voting Flea at the time i made the post that they reacted too.
This feels like an extreme overreaction, whether townie or scummy is beyond my ability to analyze in this instance.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’d appreciate it if Datisi or Emperor could chime in what their opinion is, and i’ll take it into account.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh wait i was voting them, but they responded after i’d changed my vote.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also we’ve seen a LOT of Flea and very little of Momrangal. So i’m not saying it’s impossible for town!you to disagree on a read on me. But it’s all based on the words of purely Flea that you two supposedly disagree so it’s difficult to verify the truth of these statements and see if it’s actually genuine.

This is a RL based FoS. Not a fan. It suggests that Norway cannot read genuiness off one head (totally possible) and is looking for things to attack instead.

It’s not.
You’re characterizing my explanation for why it’s hard to verify the veracity of their claim as an FOS.
Which is yucky.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Are you not going to engage my hero solve? No reaction?

It’s bad?
What more did you expect?

[NorwegianboyEE]

There's a lot to engage. You aren't engaging.

Yeah i'm fucking tired.

[NorwegianboyEE]

There's a lot to engage. You aren't engaging.

Yeah i'm fucking tired.

At first you argue that I shouldn't expect more from you. Now you're tired. :/ Why not say you're tired at the first place?

What?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Jesus. And you say i’ve got scummy takes.
So now you’re using my real life reason to be tired to claim i’m frozen because of your crapped out solve?
Are you fucking serious?
VOTE: Titus
Die scum, die.

[NorwegianboyEE]

RCEnigma replaces ta vera

Wow, it’s been hella fortnights. Welcome to the game.

Thanks!

It's been awhile so I might be slow getting back into the swing of things. Also just waking up so I have other priorities but reading up will happen tonight/tomorrow, I'm like halfway through.

Wooo RCE it’s been forevahh

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'd consider Titus town but they made me really mad with their shitty shade yesterday.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also i got a new computer and holy hell does it feel a lot more slick. I think i had my older gaming laptop for about 8 years.
I'm feeling like a king sitting here typing on MS today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

RCE you wouldn't replace into a scumslot and try to pocket me right?
We're too much of good friends for you to do something cruel like that right?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also i got a new computer and holy hell does it feel a lot more slick. I think i had my older gaming laptop for about 8 years.
I'm feeling like a king sitting here typing on MS today.

What's the screen resolution at? It felt like my reads tripled in accuracy when I upgraded from 1080p to 2k

Same resolution change here. I feel like my brain size doubled along with the resolution.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't really care about your solve. Sure Dwlee could be scum, whatever. But you are voting me.
Would your hero solve change if you knew i was town?'
As in do you think all those slots are scummy or do you just see that all of them have the perfect associations and thus make perfect sense as the exact scum team?

[NorwegianboyEE]

And why vote me first?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also is it just me or do you always seem confident in your scumreads on me whenever i am town but always ignore me when i'm actually scum.
It's like, if you're town here. Is there ever a day where you fix your radar or will it just always be bad?

[NorwegianboyEE]

And where tf is Cyrus.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh wait, he's not in this game. oops.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Instead, you froze.

Ok. So let me get this clear. Yesterday i woke up after insomnia for the better part of the night and went early to work. I then finished work and went home, really tired from a long day. Then i went shopping for food because i had none, then i had to give an long online interview for an job i'm applying for. Then i realized i had to go out again and ride the bus to the other side of town to buy electrical equipment. Then i spent the entire rest of the evening setting that up. And then i felt tired as fuck sporadically posting on MS which is when you post this absolutely brainless completely dumb fucking point that i "froze" because of your solve and it was quite frankly an incredibly infuriating and annoying thing to read. And you keep hammering this point home as if it's allignment indicative at all when i just didn't have neither the willpower nor the clear mind to deal with that sort of crap yesterday and neither do i now. So please, shut the fuck up about this "Hurr Norwee FROZEE!!!!"" thing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Do you have anything actually worthwhile to add about your read?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think Titus is scummy here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think Titus is scummy here.

Why didn't Titus respond in those 3 seconds between?? OMG they are frozen scum and panicking HAHA it's so obvious

[NorwegianboyEE]

THEY STILL HAVEN'T RESPONDED OMG !!
CONFIRMED SCXUM!

[NorwegianboyEE]

2 minutes and still no response. Guys kills this frozen obvscum they are hiding in scum PT and crying omg.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Alright, in response i'll UNVOTE: . Since you using that point against me was the biggest reason for my vote on you.

Dwlee dropped his happy go lucky demeanor (words not quite right but there was a tonal shift towards aggression).

I'll take a look at this first of all.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I actually had this unmentioned theory that Dwlee could be intentionally playing up the difference to his scum meta to make sure we townread him here. But i would probably need to look at his actual towngames to verify if this is his actual style.

@Dwlee Can you link me to some of your towngames that you feel represent your towngame clearly and typically?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I accidentally clicked onnT3’s wiki page and i’ve never been more happy for an misclick.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Thing is, you aren't looking at any of his scumgames. He puts in even less effort as scum and doesn't wall at all. Both scum and town Bingle are casual and reactive, but town Bingle will occasionally effort a wall but scum Bingle won't.

What?
I’ve seen him efforts walls as scum.

Btw Mastina is town. Like 100% sure now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Emperor/Datisi/Mastina
^Slots i’m never voting.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Bingle, Fairy Circle, The Limit Does Not Exist

That seems decent, but what do you make of RCE? He’s one of those slots i’m still uncertain about.
I do agree there is prob scum in the hydras.
Maybe Flea hydra is just scum and their overreaction to me calling out their hydra dissonance is not especially town indicative was Flea hurriedly trying to shade my slot in order to save their ass.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I feel like Limit could be town and i’m sussing RCE so ny guess if i were forced to make one, would be Bingle, Fairy Circle and RCE.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Contrary to your situation, Flea's overreaction is pretty scummy for them imo, I don't have a picture of them in my head as someone to react harshly like that to this kind of situation (and no offense, Norwegian - you're just passionate)

Why does it feel like i’m your new apprentice and you’re telling me to use my anger and hate to grow stronger with the dark side.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Titus is twisting my awkward attempt at a joke into literally saying that I was scum deliberately messing up the VC because I was

afraid VCA would catch me

.

This is probably just standard moon logic town!Titus.
I’m not sus of them anymore.
Scum!Titus is a lot more confrontational and probably wouldn’t have backed off me in that manner. It seemed genuine.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwee are you her scum partner or no

No.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If i was bussing i would keep going until they were dead and declare myself conf!town. Not some half hearted BS.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also Dwlee. Does this actually remind me of my play in our previous game?
Like, i try to close the gap. But my energy is just completely energy when i am town VS as scum.
Like when Mastina tunneled me in that previous game i tried to stay tough but really i was crying myself to sleep everyday. While here i just feel intense and willfull pretty much the whole way. I can’t fake that as scum, believe me i’ve tried.
I’m just not good at handling pressure when scum. That’s like the cheat code to catch scum!me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I didn't say you were bussing. I said Titus could be bussing.

Oh ok.
Well that just leaves T3. Do you think Titus is bussing T3?

[NorwegianboyEE]

That’s probably just saying they do bus as scum.
What’s the big deal?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like i don’t wanna insult Titus’s intelligence here but i do believe they might just be way off track and listed 3 town as their scumreads.

[NorwegianboyEE]

But I didn't say she doesn't bus. I said picking three names and none being scum would be scum!indicative for Titus.

Why though?
I mean it seems pretty bold doesn’t it?
Would you have the balls to list off 3 town players and then as someone said: "go after the most vocal and town-read" player if you were scum?
Titus has struck me as having an much more subtle and insidous scumplay, so for them to suddenly play as scum, with the subtlety of an wrecking ball seems a bit out of character for them.
They do play that way as town though, which means meta lines up more with town!her.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’d expect something like that from Mathblade, not Titus.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mastina put in a lot of effort into this and i woyld do them dirty if i didn’t sheep them here. Especially with how much of an difficulty they had in killing me last game.
VOTE: Bingle
Like i said though, my sus slots are Bingle, Fairy Circle, RCE.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I saw Titus go for almost all town in a game we just were in (LN 233) so it's completely within her scum range.

Well then it’s unlikely they would do it again. And list you as scum, whom is knowledgeable of this meta.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I feel like Limit could be town and i’m sussing RCE so ny guess if i were forced to make one, would be Bingle, Fairy Circle and RCE.

The betrayal.

I'd swap myself with dwlee. What pushed you over the edge with Mastina?

Their posts on Bingle is indisputably town!Mastina.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'd swap myself with dwlee.

I don’t mind you fighting the spot with Dwlee.
I’m not really trusting him atm.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Datisi quit bein lazy and get back to work.

[NorwegianboyEE]

how is effort indicative of anything? does scum!mastina not effort?

Yep.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Does anyone actually townread Fairy Circle?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Scum is just Titus. I really don't get what there is to townread in her shit push on me.

I just feel like a couple of their stances seem unlikely to come from scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I could be wrong but… wait a second why hasn’t Titus done VCA yet?
Conf!scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well there’s been some wagons.
Surely the previous Bingle wagon was something to talk about.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Maybe VCA isn’t worth anything. But it’s not about the result, it’s about the message.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Serioisly though does anyone townread Fairy Circle? I feel like that could be scum indicative. As in they are not being too townie and none of their teammates would wanna openly townread them if scum here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm just gonna follow my gut.
VOTE: Fairy Circle

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm also slightly concerned with Norwee's progression wrt me. He seemed to have a pretty strong town read of me that he dropped for very little reason. It's possible that he's just sheeping mastina based on her catching him last game (his justification) but I felt like his read on me was more solid than that given T3's conflicting meta examination and

I'm not playing to please you or anyone. Just to catch scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mastina seems surefire on their read and i trust them so that makes me trust you less.
I still wanna vote Fairy Circle though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

what's your read on bingle independently of mastina pushing him?

@norwee

-D

A bit torn. Because i think their tone is good, but what they said about their role was scummy.
I wanna say light townread if i were to base it only on my reads and ignoring Mastina’s points.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Scum is just Titus. I really don't get what there is to townread in her shit push on me.

I just feel like a couple of their stances seem unlikely to come from scum.

Explain which ones and why?

The listing of their 3 reads, if all town. Seems pretty bold from scum. And also pushing someone that is unlikely to ever become an elimination with conviction also feels like something unlikely coming from scum. I think Mafia generally play a bit more safe and go for low hanging fruit rather than what Titus did.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That their ingredient was poison.
Unless i’m misunderstanding here. Each town slot is supposed to receive potions with numerous ingredients. Why did Bingle only have poison?

[NorwegianboyEE]

so again, what is scummy about bingle's claim, and how the hell did you miss all of this but still ended uo thinking that he's scummy for his claim and ended up voting him even though he was on your "never vote" list prior?

What do you mean in the last part? I was voting mostly because of Mastina’s case and i trust Mastina. Not really the role claim.
I won’t talk too much about the mechanics stuff because i didn’t even know it was possible to not have potions i thought everyone got the same amount.
I also thought Bingle might have had only harm potions because of the potions and that seemed scum indicative.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Because of the ingredient*

[NorwegianboyEE]

how the hell did you miss all of this

Do you really need to ask this question to me?
I think it’s been made pretty clear i’m not good at paying attention to complex mechanics.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You might as well ask: "why are you the way that you are"

[NorwegianboyEE]

pedit: my problem isn't you not paying attention to mechanics. my problem is you not paying attention to mechanics and then saying bingle is scummy because of mechanics.

I was comparing it to my own role.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyway quit being baffled by the Norwee and solve elsewhere Datisi. I am town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yawn

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why can’t you at least ask something interesting.

[NorwegianboyEE]

How was your day Dwlee?

[NorwegianboyEE]

That sounds nice.
I’m stressed because i’m worried about whether i’ll pass the online personality examination for this new job i want to apply for. But other than that i’m feeling pretty good.