[MT2225] Chrono Trigger Chronicles - The Rise/Fall of Yakra

[House]

Hell. No.

T3 is caught scum.

The only town PR's alive are Chrono & Frog.

Vanilla town is Knight of Guardia.

Other named characters are lieutenants of Magus.

[House]

Hell. No.

T3 is caught scum.

The only town PR's alive are Chrono & Frog.

Vanilla town is Knight of Guardia.

Other named characters are lieutenants of Magus.

I agree with this. But I also very strongly think Cyrus62 is also scum, with a potential guilty on him.

Inventors are not investigative. They make goodies.

That means Gamma had to use his n1 action to make something, so he could not possibly have a guilty result.

[House]

Spoiler:

The flavor makes some sense because Cyrus was Frog's best friend according to the wiki

But the reason why it does not really fit is because he is not introduced until much later in the game. I feel like there is a pretty big disparity of the flavor knowledge at the moment, so here is like a run down of the Cathedral

Spoiler:

At that point in time, the players are in a medieval cathedral that has been taken over by Yakra(robert). He is the boss of the dungeon, and I would assume that would make him the most powerful pr on the scum team, which is another reason why I don't think that the slip was planned.

Generic enemies in that same dungeon, and what I would guess to be the flavor names of the other bad guys: Diablo, Viper, Underling, Bat, Naga. Of those, I would be most surprised if there is not a Naga because there is a whole scene of walking into the cathedral, and it having nuns and then it being a big reveal that all of the nuns are actually nagas in disguise

And those are the bad buys in the cathedral.


Now for the everyone else related to the scene.

The playable party at the time is : Frog, Chrono, and Lucca, who I assume would all be town prs in this set up.

Other related characters include:
Queen Leene, who Yakra is holding hostage and is the person the party is trying to save.
Marle, who the gang is also trying to save, she is not in the cathedral, but saving Leene=saving Marle because of time travel, after you save her she becomes a playable party member
The Chancellor, who Yakra is impersonating and when you save Leene you also save him

There is a Commander of the guards. He like has some dialogue and stuff, does not actually go to the cathedral, but also the VTs of this game also don't, and he would make sense going with the vts.

At one point, there are 3 enemies pretending to be all of Leene, the chancellor, and the commander all physically inside the cathedral.

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I am putting all of these, in order of how likely I thought they were to be in the game

Scum Roles

Yakra

(Robert)
Naga
Any of Diablo, Viper, Underling, and Bat
Maybe the Leene, chancellor, or commander impersonators

Town Roles

The Player Characters

Chrono

Lucca

(gamma)
Frog

Leene and the Chancellor -- They are both physically in the cathedral
Commander -- because the vts are the guards, I could see him
Marle

So far, there have been no flips to make me question the assumptions that I entered into this game with. So, I doubt T3's flavor claim

We disagree, in that I believe any non-Yakra boss is also scum, for the simple fact that a non-Yakra mystic boss is already claimed.

It's the mystics that brought Cyrus back. He was never alive during the actual game itself.

Any Cyrus MUST be red.

[House]

VOTE: T3

Cyrus wouldn't be in the game my dude, and you pretty obviously tried to get Frog to out themself. You also supposedly have a Rolecop check, which makes zero sense for flavor btw, but you haven't told us who you've checked.

I literally never heard of Chrono Trigger before joining the site.

..not really.

If you didn't know... now ya know.

[House]

The flavor makes some sense because Cyrus was Frog's best friend according to the wiki

Cyrus is dead in the game and was raised from the dead to KILL FROG.

Shrug

It seems kinda real and I'm townreading t3 on play.

VOTE: Cyrus

Reeks of third scum.

[House]

Gamma CANNOT HAVE A GUILTY.

Read what an inventor does.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Inventor

[House]

Did you miss where Gamma super implied a guilty on Cyrus?

I missed where you don't know simple mechanics.

[House]

I'd love to be right about my original read on Dwlee but I think they just sheeped scum this game. The buddying with RMH is really obvious otherwise.

He's trying to distract from the T3 wagon, but I certainly agree that 3rd scum is definitely one of {Mara/dwlee}.

[House]

We disagree, in that I believe any non-Yakra boss is also scum, for the simple fact that a non-Yakra mystic boss is already claimed.

It's the mystics that brought Cyrus back. He was never alive during the actual game itself.

Any Cyrus MUST be red.

I think that we agree that the T3 "cyrus flavor" claim looks like a scum claim.

We just are not on the same page on how we got there. You seem to think he really is cyrus. I think that he is like a Naga or something fake claiming the flavor name Cyrus.

Imo, it looks like T3 appears to not know the flavor, googled the characters, and saw Cyrus listed as Frog's friend on the wiki and went with it

I'm pretty sure he's Cyrus the Ghost.

Cyrus the Ghost was invincible. Only Glenn (Frog) could hurt him. It explains why T3 wants Frog outed so badly.

[House]

Scratch that, Cyrus the Ghost is in 1000 AD.

[House]

Also, you don't fight Cyrus if Frog is in your party. He only fights you if Frog's not in your party.

No, Frog is the one that makes him aggro.

https://chrono.fandom.com/wiki/Cyrus_(boss)

[House]

If we're following flavour, the king wishes Cyrus were still around to search for the queen, but all the player learns is that Cyrus is missing. You don't find out Cyrus is dead until much later; the game also tries to hint that Frog is Cyrus. So yeah, Cyrus does get mentioned in this chapter, but as Sir Not Appearing In This Movie.

Ah right. I got that confused with talking to his ghost in 600AD.

If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.

Cyrus was not part of the Yakra arc.

[House]

T3 is scum

Is that a CC?

[House]

No, but I hard don't believe him

Be that as it may, he lives unless there's an actual CC.

UNVOTE:

[House]

I still think there's exactly one scum in {Marashu/dwlee}.

[House]

I was saving up my MP to use tripletech in Elo but I didn't realize if Lucca died I wouldn't be able to use it.

House hard claimed mason, and T3 appeared to be 100% on board.

If he needed to know another PR for his abilities to work, he would have tried to team up with House. But he claims to have been trying to saving up his mana instead.

If his vig ability worked with either lucca or frog, why was he trying to find frog instead of trying to figure out which House was.

If he was trying to claim a role that would never get him night killed, why would he claim role cop

Which is why I'll instantly buy a CC from anyone else.

1 for 1 is a town-sided trade. Scum isn't going to CC for one miselim... but T3 was losing his footing and had to save himself, so I can see why he'd fake yet another claim.

[House]

Come to think of it..


WHY DO YOU FAKE A PR CLAIM EARLY D1 AS A PR?

[House]

I'm watching you.

WHY DO YOU FAKE A PR CRUMB AS A DIFFERENT PR?

[House]

VOTE: T3
SCUM QUICKHAMMER ME!! @H?!? !!

Why does a PR DO THIS?

[House]

I believe t3's signature answers these questions.

That shit is VT shenanigans if it's coming from town.

[House]

A town PR does not try to fish out a different town PR.

He was baiting Frog, HARD.

[House]

I'm fucking begging for a cc here. T3 loses that battle, hands down.

1 for 1 is a town-sided trade.

[House]

Unless Crono ccs I'm gonna gloat that my t3 read was correct.

Luke I caught the last scum.

Excuse you?

Spekkio could be an INVENTOR

Spekkio refers to himself as the "Master of War". When the party first meets him, he tells them that he has seen many battles from the End of Time. He tells the party that many years before they were born there existed a kingdom where magic was abundant and anyone could use it. However, people began to abuse their power over the years. Eventually, it became so bad that only fiends were allowed to use magic. He goes on to say that the party has the determination and that magic only needs the power of the heart and inner strength. He says that magic is divided into four types of magic: Fire, Water, Lightning and Shadow. He tells them that Crono is adept at Lightning, Marle is adept at Ice, and Lucca is adept at Fire. He then tells them all to think magic and then, starting from the entrance to his room, walk clockwise along the walls three times. After they do this, Spekkio grants them their magical powers.

VOTE: RMH

VOTE: Robert

1/3

Can we quick lim the other two to see my amazing accuracy

[House]

Oh, misread the post.

Nevermind.

I can buy that.

[House]

Protective, stay on me, please.

T3 brings nothing but noise and chaos to the game. If scum doesn't kill him, I'm sure we eventually will.

[House]

That's not how activators work.

You being alive means he has a shot, IF you're not talking out your ass.

[House]

T3 is so lucky I already hard-claimed VT.

I'd fake cc him just for the lulz.

[House]

Are you certain Guillo is town?

I don't buy the speculative guilty result.

I was townreading Guillo before the replace out, and Cyrus has been screaming town at me.

[House]

Luke. There’s a very good reason for why I said I believed Kyouko on Guillo, but unless I have to I don’t want to have to get into it. Just know you’re barking up the wrong fucking tree.

This post is screaming "I have a guilty"

And your red flip will prove that I'm right.

[House]

Robert and Dwlee look like they dont want to yeet each other, hmm!

Hmmm, indeed.

[House]

House are you red, homie?

Yes.

I held my shot on n1 just to fool you all!

Because that's totally optimal play!

[House]

Anyone not seeing scum between Marashu & dwlee needs to walk me through it in baby steps, because fishing for softs and crumbs outside of Elo is some pro-scum shit.

[House]

Cyrus you have a claimed guilty on you with that player flipped PR, don't AtE me

No he doesn't, scum.

Way to misrep what actually happened.

[House]

Why would House gambit a fake claim just to get the (presumably) strongest PR on his team mechanically proven as scum? How is that bus helpful to him at all?

He is just being way too confident that that isn't a guilty soft.

INVENTORS ARE NOT INVESTIGATIVE.

[House]

Okay fuck it fine I'm Crono
I have 3 abilities, 2 of them are called doubletech and the other one is called tripletech. I have 6MP. The doubletechs are 1-shot vig activators that can activate for both lucca and frog. The tripletech is a 1-shot public revealing vig, but because Lucca died I can't use it. I realizedI was a powerful PR early so I looked for a fakeclaim that would never get me killed by scum ever. I crumbed my real role at the start with the brain thing. Cranium sounds like Crono.

Just realized this must be fake because the party doesn't have Triple Techs yet at the Yakra boss fight lol. Pretty sure the real Crono has the Life spell and used that to save House on N1.

I was thinking it was likely Frog's Heal.

And I'm pretty sure I know who Frog is.

[House]

Lukewarm, if you're Chrono, you had best cc today.

The liner you wait to do it, the less credibility you will have because you're already scumread anyway.

[House]

Lukewarm, if you're Chrono, you had best cc today.

The longer you wait to do it, the less credibility you will have because you're already scumread anyway.

[House]

Robert M Hunter was Commander Yakra of the Mystics and has been exiled to the End of Time!

Gamma Emerald has been killed! He was The Great Inventor, Lucca!

I don't know that the flavor reveals actually tell us the abilities, because nothing in Robert's even resembles a mafiascum ability. So, why are you assuming that "the great inventor" means that she is explicitly an inventor role instead of that being a flavor descriptor?

~reasons~

[House]

Lukewarm, if you're Chrono, you had best cc today.

The liner you wait to do it, the less credibility you will have because you're already scumread anyway.

I am explicitly saying that I am not Chrono.

I just don't believe T3

That was a great opportunity to test your theory.

[House]

Robert M Hunter was Commander Yakra of the Mystics and has been exiled to the End of Time!

Gamma Emerald has been killed! He was The Great Inventor, Lucca!

I don't know that the flavor reveals actually tell us the abilities, because nothing in Robert's even resembles a mafiascum ability. So, why are you assuming that "the great inventor" means that she is explicitly an inventor role instead of that being a flavor descriptor?

~reasons~

You claimed VT, you have no ~reasons~

I must be scum then, huh?

[House]

T3 and dwlee are both desperate to out Frog.

This is hilarious.

[House]

Robert M Hunter was Commander Yakra of the Mystics and has been exiled to the End of Time!

Gamma Emerald has been killed! He was The Great Inventor, Lucca!

I don't know that the flavor reveals actually tell us the abilities, because nothing in Robert's even resembles a mafiascum ability. So, why are you assuming that "the great inventor" means that she is explicitly an inventor role instead of that being a flavor descriptor?

~reasons~

You claimed VT, you have no ~reasons~

I must be scum then, huh?

Well you're lying about something, that's for sure.

Quite likely.

[House]

House, if Gamma gave you an invention, I think that now is the time to out that.

Because that is the only ~reason~ I can think that you are sure that gamma was properly an inventor, and if you die without revealing it then the whole town will revert to the assumption that gamma was an investigative.

This is me noting but not addressing your suggestion.

[House]

Titus, you still feeling a Mara lim?

[House]

I'm feeling a Mara lim.

VOTE: Marashu

[House]

Come to think of it..


WHY DO YOU FAKE A PR CLAIM EARLY D1 AS A PR?

His fake claim early (his first one in like RVS) was a meme, not meant to be taken seriously.

He had multiple fake claims early d1.

[House]

I would still buy anyone's cc over his because he was painting a target on his own head if he is actually a PR.

[House]

Good job to whoever block the scum's kill. They should get a medal and an after game host award

Good job to whoever block the scum's kill. They should get a medal and an after game host award

FoS this tell.

Fine with D or G or AW.

VOTE: Dwlee99

What tell? There is no factional kill, so yes!

GOOD FUCKING JOB TO WHOEVER BLOCKED IT

I'd make it bigger but it's not possible.

Get rekt wolves!

HAAAAAAA!

G I really must ask, why did you post these?

I got excited.

well it looks more like you are pissed the kill got blocked and are letting that emotion seep through while trying to act like it's all good

though tbh I have a thought on this subject. G can you link a few of your scumgames? I kinda just got the vibe this was like how you acted D2 in Large Normal 230

Nah, im excited im getting bragging right after game.

Dude, Go get them yourself, i dont know where they are. You know i love bragging about my excellent scum games but i got no time.

That soft is so hard it gave me a concussion.

Marashu supposedly caught a softed guilty, but completely misses where I out a softed heal?

Bullshit.

This is exactly why Mara wants Cyrus eliminated.

[House]

Okay fuck it fine I'm Crono
I have 3 abilities, 2 of them are called doubletech and the other one is called tripletech. I have 6MP. The doubletechs are 1-shot vig activators that can activate for both lucca and frog. The tripletech is a 1-shot public revealing vig, but because Lucca died I can't use it. I realizedI was a powerful PR early so I looked for a fakeclaim that would never get me killed by scum ever. I crumbed my real role at the start with the brain thing. Cranium sounds like Crono.

Just realized this must be fake because the party doesn't have Triple Techs yet at the Yakra boss fight lol. Pretty sure the real Crono has the Life spell and used that to save House on N1.

I was thinking it was likely Frog's Heal.

And I'm pretty sure I know who Frog is.

I was thinking that was possible too, I just doubt Crono got a Triple Tech ability and his Life spell would be more likely to be one of the PR's abilities. It would be funny if the flavor was that Frog Doc's people by slurping them though lol.

Okay fuck it fine I'm Crono
I have 3 abilities, 2 of them are called doubletech and the other one is called tripletech. I have 6MP. The doubletechs are 1-shot vig activators that can activate for both lucca and frog. The tripletech is a 1-shot public revealing vig, but because Lucca died I can't use it. I realizedI was a powerful PR early so I looked for a fakeclaim that would never get me killed by scum ever. I crumbed my real role at the start with the brain thing. Cranium sounds like Crono.

Just realized this must be fake because the party doesn't have Triple Techs yet at the Yakra boss fight lol. Pretty sure the real Crono has the Life spell and used that to save House on N1.

Bad flavor spec.

Then you're scum instead lol.

VOTE: Dwlee

Not a terrible vote.

I doubt dwlee and Marashu are scum together, though.

What do you make of my 1890?

[House]

You're trying to outguess the mod on flavor, so I'm scum now?

The last time someone tried that line, they flipped scum, lol.

[House]

I mean, if you flip town, I think we flip House next.

I accept this trade off.

And this sequence is why Marashu should be lit on fire.

Marashu is right.

There is no way that a townie actually believes that there is a game that can be solved by having everyone state their flavor.

He coulid just be scum with a bulletproof and there is no mason bodyguard at all.

This does make me doubt that Mara & Robert are teamed.

Would he really lean on his buddy like this?

[House]

I will not flavor claim until my partner dies, at which point I will claim flavor and the uses of my JoaT shots.

I think I disagree with this

What is the strategy here?

I could see this being S/S.

[House]

The only thing keeping me on Mara is the fact they were soft hunting and completely ignored the glaring one I pointed out.

[House]

ly thing keeping me on Mara is the fact they were soft hunting and completely ignored the glaring one I po

I only did an ISO on Gamma after the flip. I didn't spot your reply.

Yeah but... you read my post when I made it, didn't you?

I put a spotlight on a blatant heal soft.

Not the most pro-town thing in the world, but you completely ignoring it stinks.

[House]

AW is town. I believe that they legit bought the claim.

If Guillo isn't Frog, I'd yeet Cyrus from here to eternity because he "never bought the claim", which Robert later echoed about his team and is likely another slip.

[House]

ly thing keeping me on Mara is the fact they were soft hunting and completely ignored the glaring one I po

I only did an ISO on Gamma after the flip. I didn't spot your reply.

Yeah but... you read my post when I made it, didn't you?

I put a spotlight on a blatant heal soft.

Not the most pro-town thing in the world, but you completely ignoring it stinks.

I still don't understand the heal soft

Bragging rights post-game ... right after a night with no NK?

Oh come on...

[House]

AW is town. I believe that they legit bought the claim.

If Guillo isn't Frog, I'd yeet Cyrus from here to eternity because he "never bought the claim", which Robert later echoed about his team and is likely another slip.

Cyrus claimed to me something that isn't frog already, didn't he?

True.

[House]

UNVOTE:

Yo Cyrus, I'm done blocking your lim.

[House]

Not sure what the vote count is, at the moment.

Don't want to risk a lolhammer with the active push on him.

[House]

If Cyrus flips scum, in likely wrong about 1 scum in Mara/dwlee.

[House]

I'm*

[House]

Know who wasn't on the Robert wagon?

Titus.

I hear Titus doesn't bus.

Hmmm.

[House]

And also, like look at the Robert and luke interactions surrounding his fake claim. Like, start when I check in here

I don't think that looks like a partner interaction, imo

Idk, looked to me like it could have been Robert hoping you'd back him up at the time it was happening.

He looked genuinely surprised & betrayed.

I wouldn't point at that interaction as a reason you're town.

VOTE: cyrus

[House]

I'll review it again. I don't get that townspew feeling. I can compromise though given my vote analysis (preliminary) suggests you are town.

VOTE: Lukewarm

Angel Warriors
Roden
House
Titus

T3
mastina
Cyrus (Don't want this in elo)
Dwlee

Lukewarm
Marashu

I actually don't think Dwlee is scum. I can't articulate it though.

T3 is a tonal read.

Can we pulverize Lukewarm?

Lel? Mara is lower in your reads, but you're gunning for Luke even though I was working on a Mara wagon and there was no interest in a Luke wagon?

VOTE: Titus

[House]

I'm good with Cyrus being eliminated today, but I don't want anyone overlooking Titus.

[House]

This is completely unverifiable, but when I am acum, I always check the scum chat before looking at the main thread. So, in a world of me and robert being scum together, I would have already known the neighbor claim was coming before I started my catch up

I start my catch up at 1:38 am -- meaning I would have informed him that I was gonna bus at some point before this)
I deny that we are neighbors, and vote him at 1:56
Robert instantly crossvotes me in the very next post at 1:57

Why would robert be genuinely surprised and betrayed at 1:57?

Just because you check the scum thread often doesn't mean everyone does.

[House]

Just because you check the scum thread often doesn't mean everyone does.

I just know that if I was scum, I would have seen what was happening before I ever started posting in the main thread, and if I did not get a response from Robert in the scum chat, I would have just waited to do my catch up until the following morning, instead of doing it at 1:30 am only to blindside my partner.

I guess there is no real way to verify it, but that is just not how I would ever play that situation

Pretty moot, at this point.

I'm more interested in Titus, personally.

[House]

If Titus flips red, I likely never lim Luke because she's been after him.

[House]

I don't believe you, lol.

If you're legit, just say it outright or you'll likely be tested.

[House]

I don't believe you, lol.

If you're legit, just say it outright or you'll likely be yeeted.

Edit

[House]

The thing is, Gaspar isn't one of the mystics.

He's never a threat to Chrono & the team.

[House]

such open fast at right itch hat ace vest end down hop open spoon east. hopping east in shove top own won not

Hard to believe if you're referring to me, considering you started the game voting me.

[House]

The tiers are not ranked. Pretty common sense.

Still doesn't explain why you wouldn't support an existing push on a top scumread instead of starting one from scratch.

[House]

such open fast at right itch hat ace vest end down hop open spoon east. hopping east in shove top own won not

Hard to believe if you're referring to me, considering you started the game voting me.

i replaced in i didnt get to make a rvs so i voted you and in it said hi to you as well.

For future reference, NEVER vote a mod confirmed inno.

[House]

If Cyrus is being honest, scum's mislim options are drying up fast.

[House]

If Cyrus is being honest, scum's mislim options are drying up fast.

Saying he's a bp cop right? What's his results?

Me (n1) and AW (N2, apparently)

I can see why both of us would be targeted, especially me on n1.

[House]

So... I'm calling shenanigans on Mara's theoretical catch.

[House]

VOTE: Marashu

Yey!

[House]

I'm not 100% on Cyrus town (I think the checks are lame), but the upside to keeping him alive is too great.

They're not checks I would make (d1 Mason claim will resolve itself well before Elo), but I can see how some would jump on it.

[House]

Protective, it goes without saying, should be on Cyrus tonight.

[House]

Bulletproof (supposedly)

Duh.

[House]

That bulletproof bit nags at me, not gonna lie.

[House]

I'm not particularly against a Lukewarm wagon.

[House]

Even if Cyrus winds up flipping scum somewhere down the road, AW is town from those results.

[House]

Putting a bulletproof on a cop seems like too much power, but should resolve itself given some time anyways

How, exactly?

[House]

I doubt there is a chance for a cyrus counterclaim based on the flavor claim anyways.

If there's an investigative, they *can* cc, but I'd wait a day or so.

I think Cyrus is bullshitting at least part of his claim to try to throw scum off, but there's a good chance he's a cop.

[House]

Whenever T3 naked votes I get bad vibes.

BP on a Cop makes sense balance wise if scum have a X-shot Strongman and/or a Roleblocker, and Yakra was an insanely strong role that just got caught early, so the game doesnt feel too town-sided.

What all do you know about Yakra's role?

[House]

I think a scum strongman would have killed me n1, as I was a pretty obvious target for a protective.

[House]

Whenever T3 naked votes I get bad vibes.

BP on a Cop makes sense balance wise if scum have a X-shot Strongman and/or a Roleblocker, and Yakra was an insanely strong role that just got caught early, so the game doesnt feel too town-sided.

If RMH was a super strong role, then scum likely weren't bussing.

I mean, he WAS the title character for the game, so that's something I guess.

I have no clue what his abilities were outside of vote shenanigans, though.

[House]

It will resolve itself, because the scum team can never leave a cop alive for through to Elo, that is a loss.

If he's bulletproof, how do you expect them to kill him?

[House]

I honestly think Cyrus is lying about being bulletproof.

[House]

I think Cyrus should be allowed to live off that claim. If he checks Roden, turbo lim him. Anyone else, he's shortening the lim pool. He can be leashed too.

I think I would want to leash him to be between me and you (Titus) personally.

Anyone have other preferences?

Nah, I'm good with him checking anyone aside from Roden.

[House]

It will resolve itself, because the scum team can never leave a cop alive for through to Elo, that is a loss.

If he's bulletproof, how do you expect them to kill him?

If they want to win, they would have to shoot him twice

He didn't say x-shot.

[House]

The room buzzed. Accusations flew. Somehow needles appeared in some members backs, weakening them and changing their voice.

I fucked up the coding but, this implies that there was more to Yakra's abilities than just vote stealing. I just don't know what.

"weakening them and changing their voice" could be the vote steal flavor.

"You're vote is your voice."

[House]

The room buzzed. Accusations flew. Somehow needles appeared in some members backs, weakening them and changing their voice.

I fucked up the coding but, this implies that there was more to Yakra's abilities than just vote stealing. I just don't know what.

"weakening them and changing their voice" could be the vote steal flavor.

"Your* vote is your voice."

[House]

I actually doubt that a cop cyrus doesn't investigate me last night.

In our only game together I had a pretty flawless scum game, and this is even what he said about it this day phase

Spoiler:

btw i nominate lw for scummy of the year very good scum player he is.

Honestly, I'm kinda surprised he didn't target dwlee.

He's always sus of him and constantly complimenting his scum game too.

[House]

VOTE: dw I still don't trust you how you act the same way as scum as you do town is beyond me. House seems to be trying harder this time so he isn't in my Poe my Poe at this time looks like Robert t3, dw Titus, and gamma.

your just to good as scum FYI if I didn't like you I wouldn't pick on you @dw

hello i still think dw is scum . my poe went down by one with rmh being voted off yesterday.

VOTE: dw I still don't trust you how you act the same way as scum as you do town is beyond me. House seems to be trying harder this time so he isn't in my Poe my Poe at this time looks like Robert t3, dw Titus, and gamma.

opps looks like two gamma was nk last night i just seen that.

so my poe is now t3,titus and dw

Honestly, I wouldn't mind a Cyrus lim.

[House]

Did you not see where I said don't vote aw . I cught the crumb and wanted to see if he was town or not . Ps even if I hit a pr I will still say town. Scum will never know.

Why didn't you check dwlee?

You ALWAYS suspect dwlee.

[House]

Ps even if I hit a pr I will still say town. Scum will never know.

Wait. What do you mean, even if you hit a PR? A town PR and a town VT would come up the same to a cop

Are you actually a rolecop?

i was hoping scum didn't know this . No I am bullet proof cop .

If you're town, ALWAYS assume scum know more than you.

They have 3 brains + 3 pairs of eyes to catch things.

[House]

I am still not following.

But scum!rolecop would make the house+AW checks make more sense imo

While that's true, scum could claim to check anyone they want.

This isn't multiball.

[House]

Metametametametametametameta

Kill me

If only I had a gun.

[House]

I am still not following.

But scum!rolecop would make the house+AW checks make more sense imo

While that's true, scum could claim to check anyone they want.

This isn't multiball.

Yes, but claiming your real targets is safer incase of like a tracker / watcher.

Why risk lying about your targets, when you can just lie about why you targetted them?

only 1 has a chance of being disproven

If I rolled scum in this setup, I wouldn't be too worried about a tracker or watcher.

It's too small a game, and town needs stronger roles to offset scum's if they're anything like Yakra.

[House]

Translation: wah, my mislim is losing steam! Wah!

[House]

dw and i was scum together . so they know my scum game

Yet, you're not checking him... why?

[House]

Translation: wah, my mislim is losing steam! Wah!

Stfu

[House]

I'm just grassing you, dwlee.

I'm going back and forth on him myself because of the whole bulletproof thing.

[House]

And his refusal to check you, strangely enough

[House]

Nevermind. Apparently he's also intimidated by lw's scum game.

[House]

btw i nominate lw for scummy of the year very good scum player he is.

[House]

Cyrus, how many shots do you have?

Shit I mis read my role pm. It saids my sanity is to be questioned what does this mean?

It means you're not really a cop.

[House]

btw i nominate lw for scummy of the year very good scum player he is.

Isn't it better to check crumbs then to check who I have fear of?

There's no reason for you to have any outstanding crumbs.

[House]

Cyrus, do you realize that you just forfeited all utility in keeping you alive?

Results today can't be trusted = no results at all.

Otoh, I challenge anyone to tell me why scum would claim insanity here.

[House]

Cyrus, do you realize that you just forfeited all utility in keeping you alive?

Results that can't be trusted = no results at all.

Otoh, I challenge anyone to tell me why scum would claim insanity here.

[House]

btw i nominate lw for scummy of the year very good scum player he is.

Isn't it better to check crumbs then to check who I have fear of?

There's no reason for you to have any outstanding crumbs.

Aw said I will protect every one with my shield I wanted to know if this was a lie or not.

That's not a crumb, that's a soft.

[House]

So my roles a joke? I may as well be a jester then I guess.

Do you have MP?

[House]

And I wouldn't call bulletproof a joke.

[House]

VOTE: cyrus62

I knew his claim had to be bullshit.

[House]

VOTE: T3

Cyrus wouldn't be in the game my dude, and you pretty obviously tried to get Frog to out themself. You also supposedly have a Rolecop check, which makes zero sense for flavor btw, but you haven't told us who you've checked.

I literally never heard of Chrono Trigger before joining the site.

*Lulz*

[House]

I'm so begging for a cc to T3 so we can go straight to concession instead of burning up a bunch of time fiddling around.

[House]

Why am I on here twice? Why is Titus so high?

I’m more concerned about G being in the top tier

Why because of the accidental hammer yesterday? Come on!

That puts you into don't survive until elo territory.

Nah fuck that. That puts me into “everyone make mistakes, we are all human” territory.

Sure. This mistake means you don't live until elo.

As much as I wanted to tinfoil Titus as scum, I just can't.

Bittersweet.

[House]

Luke didn't exactly do anything but kept poking .

You had weaseled yourself out of the noose, at least temporarily.

He poked you back into it.

[House]

Dwlee interaction with Guillo has me hard doubting that he's scum with them.

Hmm.

[House]

I really, really wanted Mara to be scum, but... lolno.

[House]

If nobody CC's T3... it has to be one of AW or Roden??

Ew.

[House]

If nobody CC's T3... it has to be one of AW or Roden??

Ew.

I feel like I've proven myself as town by this point, and should be ruled out due to my flavor knowledge backing up two scum elims. But tbh if it's guaranteed that we don't have a deep wolf then I don't really have a problem getting mis-elim'd here. Because if there is one I'll probably throw if I somehow make it to ELo, and if there isn't and the PoE is just me and AW then I still win if I go out before her.

I'd paranoia-lim AW over you, but that's a problem for another day.

[House]

When I first started angling for "partners", I figured Titus would be the most likely of the two to be scum.

Huh.

[House]

Also I'm guessing that House is confirmed now? Cause I'm assuming that's who got shot

huh? house claimed bodyguard. that's not how bodyguard works. this sounds like a scum claim

-nronornronror

Would scum!not derp this?

I feel like she probably wouldn't.

Gah.

[House]

Also I'm guessing that House is confirmed now? Cause I'm assuming that's who got shot

huh? house claimed bodyguard. that's not how bodyguard works. this sounds like a scum claim

-nronornronror

Would scum!nor* derp this?

I feel like she probably wouldn't.

Gah.

[House]

After much thought, I'm basically certain that {roden, robert, dwlee} has at least 2 scum.

-nornor

What makes your townreads on the other people in the game this strong?

The aren't actually but that is my poe at the moment. given how united(hard to explain but its a vibe) this town feels to me, I think the poe is correct.

we're not united and its hard to explain the feeling. but its this feeling of finding people correctly. that feeling I've only felt once before when I was reading over a game that I wanted to rep into. I figured out who the last scum was immediately because of this feeling of finding/unity/hard to explain vibes

-bearnornor

Okay, can rate your townreads in order of confidence? I want to see where my gut matches your reads.

sure!

From towniest to least towny:
No touch zone:
House
Titus
Guillotina
Towny:
Gamma
Lukewarm
T3
Mastina
Marashu
Scum by poe: You, Dwlee
Scum:
Roden
Robert

Otoh, I have doubts that town! AW would make it this obvious that they were Mason reading Titus (Guillo obviously wasn't my partner).

She could do that as scum, because they control the NK.

[House]

Actually, it was Dwlee that started the poking, with Lukewarm chiming in after it became obvious that shit was rolling downhill.

[House]

After all of this:

Spoiler:

What does Yakra do and yes I know it should be powerful but that doesn't explain what the things town would have to match it because everything flips without role pm

Also, fucking hell, who puts in a cop when the town has 3 confirmed people on flavor, and apparently there is a protective role, a public vigilante shot, things for more vigilante shots, etc. in the game AND gamma was basically claiming a guilty on Guillotina.

Cyrus, how many shots do you have?

Scum!cyrus calls people null, lean town, scum lean etc. meanwhile town!cyrus almost NEVER.does this. cyrus also does a dumb way of coding ONLY if he is town. cyrus is absolutely town and should never ever ever be voted.

Also given you've explained this in multiple games with Cyrus at this point maybe he has figured out how to vary his play enough? If he didn't it might as well be a trust tell.

Cyrus, how many shots do you have?

Maybe because he doesn't want to have to claim a result on me when either he lowers the poe pool or gets put into a 1v1 on claiming a guilty?

Cyrus, how many shots do you have?

Shit I mis read my role pm. It saids my sanity is to be questioned what does this mean?

Cyrus, how many shots do you have?

Shit I mis read my role pm. It saids my sanity is to be questioned what does this mean?

How many shots so you have? How many times can you use your role?

Cyrus do you have mana

Or MP? Whatever t3 said it was.

MP that lasts until Cyrus dies?

Who is Cyrus?

This happened:

yes lots of mp that last until Cyrus dies.

It seems my role centers around t3 as well.

T3 is not longer claiming to by Cyrus. Are you saying that your role pm explicitly says that the character cyrus is in the game?

And then T3 fake claimed cyrus? And no one counter claimed? And now T3 has stopped claiming cyrus?

So yeah... -town points for Luke for poking Cyrus.

[House]

No I didn't.

I'm Mason JoaT. Partner is BG.

N1 action was commute. Partner protected {not me}.

Kinda wish you didn't clarify here :/

Pretty sure scum knew my claim, whether they believed it or not, so I have no idea what he was trying to do here.

[House]

Robert, thanks for making the game a lot easier

Now I'm tinfoiling that this post was dripping with sarcasm, lol.

[House]

Your claim both 1v1s with me and 1v1s with house.

So we always flip you first.

I am happy to accept the 1v1 lol

Trying to tie me into this was super scummy, which is why I quickly locked him into denying Robert's claims and dropped my gambit.

[House]

It will resolve itself, because the scum team can never leave a cop alive for through to Elo, that is a loss.

If he's bulletproof, how do you expect them to kill him?

If they want to win, they would have to shoot him twice

And "scum having to shoot a powerful investigative role multiple times" didn't raise a thousand red flags with Luke?

[House]

After all of this:

Spoiler:

What does Yakra do and yes I know it should be powerful but that doesn't explain what the things town would have to match it because everything flips without role pm

Also, fucking hell, who puts in a cop when the town has 3 confirmed people on flavor, and apparently there is a protective role, a public vigilante shot, things for more vigilante shots, etc. in the game AND gamma was basically claiming a guilty on Guillotina.

Cyrus, how many shots do you have?

Scum!cyrus calls people null, lean town, scum lean etc. meanwhile town!cyrus almost NEVER.does this. cyrus also does a dumb way of coding ONLY if he is town. cyrus is absolutely town and should never ever ever be voted.

Also given you've explained this in multiple games with Cyrus at this point maybe he has figured out how to vary his play enough? If he didn't it might as well be a trust tell.

Cyrus, how many shots do you have?

Maybe because he doesn't want to have to claim a result on me when either he lowers the poe pool or gets put into a 1v1 on claiming a guilty?

Cyrus, how many shots do you have?

Shit I mis read my role pm. It saids my sanity is to be questioned what does this mean?

Cyrus, how many shots do you have?

Shit I mis read my role pm. It saids my sanity is to be questioned what does this mean?

How many shots so you have? How many times can you use your role?

Cyrus do you have mana

Or MP? Whatever t3 said it was.

MP that lasts until Cyrus dies?

Who is Cyrus?

This happened:

yes lots of mp that last until Cyrus dies.

It seems my role centers around t3 as well.

T3 is not longer claiming to by Cyrus. Are you saying that your role pm explicitly says that the character cyrus is in the game?

And then T3 fake claimed cyrus? And no one counter claimed? And now T3 has stopped claiming cyrus?

So yeah... -town points for Luke for poking Cyrus.

Ignore this, Lukewarm started his poking at 2004.

[House]

I'm going in fucking circles.

[House]

cyrus is not lying please trust me on this.

We totally believe he's telling the truth.

[House]

cyrus is not lying please trust me on this.

Can we kill cyrus now, and then all lock town me because this is the second scum I have hard accused of lying, and then they broke the facade and scum claimed

It wasn't you it was rod and dw that did me in. Mp ? And then being asked for full flavor clime I can't if I don't have one I have learned how to make my game more fun for every one.

FYI Mara cught me.

Mara found gamma soft guilty I couldn't shake it.

Any way can we make this go faster so I can self hammer

[House]

I will say that once everyone checks in and we make a plan for t3's vig shot I think that we should end the day. No point in making it last longer when the day's elimination is solid.

God forbid Cyrus spews his last buddy before he dies, amirite?

[House]

Okay let's ask him

Okay.

cyrus, is dwlee your buddy?

[House]

Pretty sure Vig just chooses between me and AW tonight. I'll claim once T3 has been settled.

um no. vig goes between dwlee and Titus. if really wanted, we can be put into the pool.

but you are town spewed by Robert.

-nornor

Why should I be in the vig shot pool after pushing Cyrus to the point he just claimed scum? I didn't believe his claim at all, was on board with the guilty on Guillotina yesterday, and pushed him with the MP stuff that lead to him claiming to be an insane cop.

Lukewarm started that pressure, then you hopped in later.

[House]

It could be. You react after scum are caught. I won Deco by hard pushing my partner's slip in elo.

That's a terrible take.

Cyrus had already dropped his wagon. Luke started the pressure that got him to fold again afterwards.

[House]

Lock the therd and let town know they voted wrong I'm sick of always haveing to prove I'm town which why I faked scum clime.

If this is true, enjoy your game ban I guess?

[House]

You can fake scum clime all the time. You can't clime to be scum with others.

It's against the rules to play against wincon. Scum claiming as town for no reason and zero benefit is 100% playing against wincon.

^ so much this

[House]

Sadly I believe cyrus

What annoys me is that I do too.

Throwing the game as he did puts the entire game starts in turmoil because so many assumptions are invalidated when he flips green.

[House]

Sadly I believe cyrus

What annoys me is that I do too.

Throwing the game as he did puts the entire game state* in turmoil because so many assumptions are invalidated when he flips green.

[House]

If Mastina CCs, one of her and t3 can be vigilante'd tonight.

If mastina CCs, T3 likely concedes.

So much for that possibility.

[House]

Why am I on here twice? Why is Titus so high?

I’m more concerned about G being in the top tier

Why because of the accidental hammer yesterday? Come on!

That puts you into don't survive until elo territory.

Nah fuck that. That puts me into “everyone make mistakes, we are all human” territory.

Sure. This mistake means you don't live until elo.

As much as I wanted to tinfoil Titus as scum, I just can't.

Bittersweet.

Titus should not be the vig shot.

She doesn't do this to her team.

[House]

house, we were not obvious about mason reading Titus and also we have no reason to townread Titus as scum.
we could totally pass as ignorant town.

we kept Titus high so that you wouldn't have to claim your mason buddy. because two strong town reads on one player is typically enough to keep the player safe for one or two days.

-nornornornor

You can't have it both ways.

btw house, we thought Titus was the mason so she was always so high on our lists. damn. I wish she was a mason cuz now I'm worried she's scum.

461
777
1171

(Plus your crumb directly at her)

[House]

house, we were not obvious about mason reading Titus and also we have no reason to townread Titus as scum.
we could totally pass as ignorant town.

we kept Titus high so that you wouldn't have to claim your mason buddy. because two strong town reads on one player is typically enough to keep the player safe for one or two days.

-nornornornor

You can't have it both ways.

btw house, we thought Titus was the mason so she was always so high on our lists. damn. I wish she was a mason cuz now I'm worried she's scum.

461
777
1171

(Plus your crumb directly at her)

Not to mention, you discredited her posts but never questioned your read on her. So ... yeah

[House]

Honestly, I'd rather be the vig shot tonight than mislimmed in Elo.

My paranoia takes my thought processes everywhere and I'm an easy elimination in Elo.

[House]

If Mara hadn't force fed us Cyrus when he was being strongly townread with zero pressure on his slot, I'd be bouncing back onto that wagon today, but ... lolno.

I'm guessing everybody that's claimed something is dead by now.

Probably be taking a closer look at dwlee today.

[House]

Considering 2 PR's were shot without claims, I suspect we have an experienced crumb/soft hunter as our third scum.

[House]

Hey Angel, y'all roll red?

[House]

Lol, of course you want to claim last, dw.

It's sold to even have me in that list in the first place.

VOTE: dwlee

Your list isn't even a half-hearted attempt to look legitimate.

[House]

Lol, of course you want to claim last, dw.

It's silly to even have me in that list in the first place.

VOTE: dwlee

Your list isn't even a half-hearted attempt to look legitimate.

[House]

Dwlee99
mastina
Angel Warriors
Lukewarm
Marashu
Roden

That makes a lot more sense to me.

[House]

Actually, why is House in Dwlee's list? House is the only person alive who has claimed.

Because he's only wanting to LOOK like he's attempting to contribute.

[House]

Yes the scummiest person that hard pushed Cyrus and didn't doubt on t3's Chrono claim for no reason. House hard softed an invention which should also be part of mass claiming, which is why he is on the list. And yes, I'm last, because I am the person I know is town.

It's hilarious how you keep trying to suck up Luke's towncred after joining in on his push.

Exactly why you need to claim first.

Or swing first.

I'm good with that too.

[House]

I'd be super cool with a 1v1 between myself and dwlee.

He's reeking of scum and I'm happy to pit myself against him

I straight up asked to be the vig shot, yesterday. I was the reason we didn't have a town death n1. And this joker wants to keep me in the mislim pool for the sole reason of opening up his NK possibilities, otherwise he'll have to shoot me.

[House]

Considering 2 PR's were shot without claims, I suspect we have an experienced crumb/soft hunter as our third scum.

Who are the two PRs shot without claims?

Bullshit.

[House]

Eh.

You didn't seem to be much better at sussing out PR's than I when we were scum together.

UNVOTE:

Probably between mastina/AW.

I don't recall Titus claiming.

[House]

Well, I'm not participating in a mass claim, so anyone that popcorns to me is just telegraphing their intent to vote me.

If y'all don't know my role by now, me repeating it yet again isn't going to change anything.

[House]

As far as I'm concerned, 3rd scum is one of {mastina, AW, dwlee}

dwlee's weird ass, out of the blue insistence on keeping me in the mislim pool reeks of scum desperation.

[House]

mastina = I've seen a lot of scum lie low the first half of the game and suddenly get active later on because it's easier to "look town" when there a lot of content already available to rehash and/or manipulate.

AW = deep scum paranoia suspicion, not really wanting to vote there outside of Elo.

[House]

So anywho

VOTE: dwlee

Wish we had a Gladiator.

[House]

Whoever vigged Titus, that's was a horrible shot, btw.

Next time you want to go hero mode... don't.

[House]

Why am I on here twice? Why is Titus so high?

I’m more concerned about G being in the top tier

Why because of the accidental hammer yesterday? Come on!

That puts you into don't survive until elo territory.

Nah fuck that. That puts me into “everyone make mistakes, we are all human” territory.

Sure. This mistake means you don't live until elo.

As much as I wanted to tinfoil Titus as scum, I just can't.

Bittersweet.

Titus should not be the vig shot.

She doesn't do this to her team.

Told you so.

[House]

On the bright side Mastina, you didn't get night killed for finding scum if you're town here.

Not a bright side to me since my playstyle is deliberately designed to get nightkilled every game.

Ah well, still plenty of time.

Strange statement if that's supposed to be coming from a town perspective, considering there's only 1 scum left.

[House]

I think I still believe that mara and roden are clear but I'm paranoid because that doesn't leave many options
lukewarm isn't scum here. bussing there is stupid because the game was a mess and anything was possible which makes bussing a bad idea.
dwlee did help with catching Cyrus who I never would've caught so fuck that, maybe town.

But that literally just leaves house and mastina. mom thinks massy town. house scum?!!?!??!?!?!??!?!???!??!??!?!?! idk i .... don't know. like its ... possible maybe?? but I don't want to believe it like ughhhh

You got me. I held my shot on n1, hard bussed like a mofo on d2, and asked to be vigged yesterday as the sole remaining scum.

Because all of that is completely logical.

[House]

What if all someone knew about Day 3 was that T3 claimed Crono with no cc? That has me worried about Mastina tbh.

To be honest I didn't even know that much. Lukewarm asked me if I CC'd Crono and I said no--the post he did so in didn't mention that T3 was Crono so I didn't even know T3 WAS Crono.

Pretty sure it was probably mentioned in the PT.

[House]

You don't trust Luke despite the fact that he bused Cyrus for literally no reason if scum?

I mean, that also rules out Dwlee and Marashu then since they both pushed Cyrus. You're town reading Mastina and myself. That just leaves you and House but I don't think it's either of you due to Guillo interactions and because House 100% would've made Robert and Cyrus come up with better flavor claims.

We're in a really tough spot and I don't think it's wise to trust anyone unless we figure out a hard clear.

Disagree.

Mara caught Cyrus when nobody was looking. +Town
Luke restarted the pressure after Cyrus bought himself time with a fake claim. +Town
dwlee joined in on the pressure Luke started, them has been using that to beg for towncred. -Town

[House]

You don't trust Luke despite the fact that he bused Cyrus for literally no reason if scum?

I mean, that also rules out Dwlee and Marashu then since they both pushed Cyrus. You're town reading Mastina and myself. That just leaves you and House but I don't think it's either of you due to Guillo interactions and because House 100% would've made Robert and Cyrus come up with better flavor claims.

We're in a really tough spot and I don't think it's wise to trust anyone unless we figure out a hard clear.

Disagree.

Mara caught Cyrus when nobody was looking. +Town
Luke restarted the pressure after Cyrus bought himself time with a fake claim. +Town
dwlee joined in on the pressure Luke started, then* has been using that to beg for towncred. -Town

[House]

I don't trust Luke. We have a deep wolf and ISO diving the scum slots isn't giving me definite clears.

Mastina please just pick somebody to claim next. That choice matters in regards to trying to read you.

Luke had nothing whatsoever up gain by keeping pressure on Cyrus instead of letting him live for another night to buy their team more time and shop for a miselim.

Luke is town.

[House]

I don't trust Luke. We have a deep wolf and ISO diving the scum slots isn't giving me definite clears.

Mastina please just pick somebody to claim next. That choice matters in regards to trying to read you.

Luke had nothing whatsoever to* gain by keeping pressure on Cyrus instead of letting him live for another night to buy their team more time and shop for a miselim.

Luke is town.

[House]

Spoiler: cyrus closing his results

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east not down opp fat trick itch match east. i did that so scum wont know .

such open fast at right itch hat ace vest end down hop open spoon east. hopping east in shove top own won not

inch at look soon over am world top hint east year at rock east time open west never at shop would every lamp lump.

Spoiler: Me losing faith in the claim and discrediting cyrus

That bulletproof bit nags at me, not gonna lie.

I doubt there is a chance for a cyrus counterclaim based on the flavor claim anyways.

If there's an investigative, they *can* cc, but I'd wait a day or so.

I think Cyrus is bullshitting at least part of his claim to try to throw scum off, but there's a good chance he's a cop.

I honestly think Cyrus is lying about being bulletproof.

VOTE: dw I still don't trust you how you act the same way as scum as you do town is beyond me. House seems to be trying harder this time so he isn't in my Poe my Poe at this time looks like Robert t3, dw Titus, and gamma.

your just to good as scum FYI if I didn't like you I wouldn't pick on you @dw

hello i still think dw is scum . my poe went down by one with rmh being voted off yesterday.

VOTE: dw I still don't trust you how you act the same way as scum as you do town is beyond me. House seems to be trying harder this time so he isn't in my Poe my Poe at this time looks like Robert t3, dw Titus, and gamma.

opps looks like two gamma was nk last night i just seen that.

so my poe is now t3,titus and dw

Honestly, I wouldn't mind a Cyrus lim.

Spoiler: Lukewarm restarting the pressure on cyrus

Ps even if I hit a pr I will still say town. Scum will never know.

Wait. What do you mean, even if you hit a PR? A town PR and a town VT would come up the same to a cop

Are you actually a rolecop?

I am still not following.

But scum!rolecop would make the house+AW checks make more sense imo

Spoiler: the earliest that dwlee can claim to be pressuring cyrus after his claim

Metametametametametametameta

Kill me

Also, fucking hell, who puts in a cop when the town has 3 confirmed people on flavor, and apparently there is a protective role, a public vigilante shot, things for more vigilante shots, etc. in the game AND gamma was basically claiming a guilty on Guillotina.

Cyrus, how many shots do you have?

dwlee saw that Luke and I weren't going to give Cyrus a pass, so he piggybacked and has been begging for towncred since.

[House]

This is the narrative that dwlee is trying to sell:

As scum, I...

1) put a huge spotlight in my face on d1 by fakeclaiming Mason (right after my first game as scum since I have returned where I was immediately caught)
2) pounced on my buddy's slip before anyone else had a chance to notice it
3) kept pressure on another buddy after he got town giving him breathing room
4) asked to be vigged yesterday.

Nobody can objectively read my actions this game as coming from scum. dwlee is desperate.

[House]

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This is my first/only scum game since returning. I was eliminated d2.

[House]

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This is my first/only scum game since returning. I was eliminated d2.

dwlee was also in this game. He should know better.

[House]

House, who were the two PRs shot without claim?

Fuck off, man. I misread the flip. Get the hell over it.

[House]

House, who were the two PRs shot without claim?

Why are you being for towncred by lying about being the one restarting pressure on Cyrus?

[House]

House, who were the two PRs shot without claim?

Why are you begging for towncred by lying about being the one restarting pressure on Cyrus?

[House]

Pretty sure Vig just chooses between me and AW tonight. I'll claim once T3 has been settled.

um no. vig goes between dwlee and Titus. if really wanted, we can be put into the pool.

but you are town spewed by Robert.

-nornor

Why should I be in the vig shot pool after pushing Cyrus to the point he just claimed scum? I didn't believe his claim at all, was on board with the guilty on Guillotina yesterday, and pushed him with the MP stuff that lead to him claiming to be an insane cop.

I pointed out specifically how this was a lie.

Why so desperate for credit for something you didn't do, dwlee?

[House]

All of that was BEFORE he claimed cop + results.

As I already pointed out, he bought time, then LUKE resumes pressure in 2004, and you piggybacked in 2020.

[House]

Spoiler: cyrus closing his results

in ant most built unit last lock end top past rock out fast front cant out post why him you max yet rust over loop east inch said top own hop evening loot penny that once won next ant tap
east not down opp fat trick itch match east. i did that so scum wont know .

such open fast at right itch hat ace vest end down hop open spoon east. hopping east in shove top own won not

inch at look soon over am world top hint east year at rock east time open west never at shop would every lamp lump.

Spoiler: Me losing faith in the claim and discrediting cyrus

That bulletproof bit nags at me, not gonna lie.

I doubt there is a chance for a cyrus counterclaim based on the flavor claim anyways.

If there's an investigative, they *can* cc, but I'd wait a day or so.

I think Cyrus is bullshitting at least part of his claim to try to throw scum off, but there's a good chance he's a cop.

I honestly think Cyrus is lying about being bulletproof.

VOTE: dw I still don't trust you how you act the same way as scum as you do town is beyond me. House seems to be trying harder this time so he isn't in my Poe my Poe at this time looks like Robert t3, dw Titus, and gamma.

your just to good as scum FYI if I didn't like you I wouldn't pick on you @dw

hello i still think dw is scum . my poe went down by one with rmh being voted off yesterday.

VOTE: dw I still don't trust you how you act the same way as scum as you do town is beyond me. House seems to be trying harder this time so he isn't in my Poe my Poe at this time looks like Robert t3, dw Titus, and gamma.

opps looks like two gamma was nk last night i just seen that.

so my poe is now t3,titus and dw

Honestly, I wouldn't mind a Cyrus lim.

Spoiler: Lukewarm restarting the pressure on cyrus

Ps even if I hit a pr I will still say town. Scum will never know.

Wait. What do you mean, even if you hit a PR? A town PR and a town VT would come up the same to a cop

Are you actually a rolecop?

I am still not following.

But scum!rolecop would make the house+AW checks make more sense imo

Spoiler: the earliest that dwlee can claim to be pressuring cyrus after his claim

Metametametametametametameta

Kill me

Also, fucking hell, who puts in a cop when the town has 3 confirmed people on flavor, and apparently there is a protective role, a public vigilante shot, things for more vigilante shots, etc. in the game AND gamma was basically claiming a guilty on Guillotina.

Cyrus, how many shots do you have?

dwlee saw that Luke and I weren't going to give Cyrus a pass, so he piggybacked and has been begging for towncred since.

[House]

Keep lying, scum.

[House]

*I* was the one throwing shade at his claim.

*I* stated today out I was good with him dying.

*LUKE* restarted pressure to make that happen, and hasn't been using that fact to beg for towncred.

*DWLEE* jumped in on already existing pressure on his buddy. He didn't start shit.

[House]

[/spoiler=cyrus closing his results]

in ant most built unit last lock end top past rock out fast front cant out post why him you max yet rust over loop east inch said top own hop evening loot penny that once won next ant tap
east not down opp fat trick itch match east. i did that so scum wont know .

such open fast at right itch hat ace vest end down hop open spoon east. hopping east in shove top own won not

inch at look soon over am world top hint east year at rock east time open west never at shop would every lamp lump.

[/spoiler]

[/spoiler=Me losing faith in the claim and discrediting cyrus]

That bulletproof bit nags at me, not gonna lie.

I doubt there is a chance for a cyrus counterclaim based on the flavor claim anyways.

If there's an investigative, they *can* cc, but I'd wait a day or so.

I think Cyrus is bullshitting at least part of his claim to try to throw scum off, but there's a good chance he's a cop.

I honestly think Cyrus is lying about being bulletproof.

VOTE: dw I still don't trust you how you act the same way as scum as you do town is beyond me. House seems to be trying harder this time so he isn't in my Poe my Poe at this time looks like Robert t3, dw Titus, and gamma.

your just to good as scum FYI if I didn't like you I wouldn't pick on you @dw

hello i still think dw is scum . my poe went down by one with rmh being voted off yesterday.

VOTE: dw I still don't trust you how you act the same way as scum as you do town is beyond me. House seems to be trying harder this time so he isn't in my Poe my Poe at this time looks like Robert t3, dw Titus, and gamma.

opps looks like two gamma was nk last night i just seen that.

so my poe is now t3,titus and dw

Honestly, I wouldn't mind a Cyrus lim.

[/spoiler]

[/spoiler=Lukewarm restarting the pressure on cyrus]

Ps even if I hit a pr I will still say town. Scum will never know.

Wait. What do you mean, even if you hit a PR? A town PR and a town VT would come up the same to a cop

Are you actually a rolecop?

I am still not following.

But scum!rolecop would make the house+AW checks make more sense imo

[/spoiler]

[/spoiler=the earliest that dwlee can claim to be pressuring cyrus after his claim]

Metametametametametametameta

Kill me

Also, fucking hell, who puts in a cop when the town has 3 confirmed people on flavor, and apparently there is a protective role, a public vigilante shot, things for more vigilante shots, etc. in the game AND gamma was basically claiming a guilty on Guillotina.

Cyrus, how many shots do you have?

[/spoiler]

dwlee saw that Luke and I weren't going to give Cyrus a pass, so he piggybacked and has been begging for towncred since.

Since spoilers are apparently too complicated.

[House]

You DO NOT get towncred for piggybacking on what Luke and I restarted.

Scummy as shit just to be panhandling for it in the first place.

[House]

House are you unable to read? What's going on here?

I also don't think you "misread Titus' flip" when it was clearly the vig shot.

If I was fucking scum, I'd well know that.

I saw Ser Titus in green and skipped the rest to see the other green.

Piss off for sharing that was being malicious. Scum ass bullshit.

[House]

House are you unable to read? What's going on here?

I also don't think you "misread Titus' flip" when it was clearly the vig shot.

If I was fucking scum, I'd well know that.

I saw Ser Titus in green and skipped the rest to see the other green.

Piss off for shading that was being malicious. Scum ass bullshit.

[House]

You latching onto Mara catching the softed guilty was you TMI'ing it to be true.

We still don't know for sure that Gamma was investigative. I'm going to laugh my ass off post-game if what Mara "caught" as a soft wasn't actually a soft.

You bought it unquestioningly because you knew he was red.

[House]

Okay so now it isn't that I was just joining in on your push when it was decided, it's that I joined in TOO early. Totally not a complete reversal of your previous point.

It's not.

No towncred for blindly buying a soft catch. You TMI'ed knowing it was true.

No towncred for lying about being the one to restart pressure on Cyrus after he claimed cop + results. Luke and I did that. You joined in after it was clear her wasn't getting a pass.

No reversal, whatsoever.

[House]

I didn't claim I restarted pressure...

You just want towncred for TMI'ing a soft catch was legitimate?

Fucking lol.

[House]

I didn't claim I restarted pressure...

You just want towncred for TMI'ing a soft catch was legitimate?

Fucking lol.

That was the LEAST SOFT soft I have ever seen.

Such a least soft soft that you didn't bother pointing it out when it was posted.

So believable. This is me being persuaded. Look how effective that post is.

[House]

Start with my ISO, mastina.

It's a roller coaster.

[House]

The case is that Kyo spewed you scum, you came in prepared to push the droo WIFOM, and you TMI'd droo not being able to hammer.

I don't believe that you've read my games more than a cursory skim. I'm also obligated to say metabad.

How can town spew a player scum?

[House]

By saying they are 100% sure and then flipping town.

So a VT eating they're 100% sure a player is scum has their information 100% correct after they die?

Then town should never lose another game as long as they can catch at least one other scum without that miraculous event.

[House]

By saying they are 100% sure and then flipping town.

So a VT saying they're 100% sure a player is scum has their information 100% correct after they die?

Then town should never lose another game as long as they can catch at least one other scum without that miraculous event.