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@skitt idk did you have much better reasoning for voting ss over enchant? for me they were both inactive slots besides roden who didn't post much ai that i could see

i really don't think a lacking justification/progression on these slots should be considered suspicious

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@gamma i'm not unfortunately

the only time I've seen scum!ss since my hiatus is when he played awesome and lived until elo and scum ended up winning so it's not really comparable

i sorta feel like he'd try more as town too? but i'm confused

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@gamma i'm not unfortunately

the only time I've seen scum!ss since my hiatus is when he played awesome and lived until elo and scum ended up winning so it's not really comparable

i sorta feel like he'd try more as town too? but i'm confused

I’m reading S_S here the way you used to read me

"towny without trying to look town" is exactly how i townread ss in pyp and he was scum there :(

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are we sure skitter isn't scum

her case on ssbm is pretty bad

I guess I disagree on this. We're three days deep into this phase, and no one's come up with a good argument, and of those that we have hers makes the most sense. What are your issues with it?

Also, what about kyouko? You indicated that she and I are t/t, but what am I missing wrt her positioning back to me and not gamma? I know my deal on kyouko is kinda weak, but she asked if I was just sheeping skitter, and I was just spewing what I had been thinking about the past few days about her argument wrt me. So I'm not going to exactly just let it go without some sort of vetting.

it makes "sense" on a surface level but then you look at other people's progressions on the s_s/enchant slots, including skitter's, and they're similarly bad. it's almost like there's not much to read inactive slots off of.

i'm not quite sure what you're asking about in the second part. i agree that her case on you was bad, but i've seen town put similar weight on silly tmi reads before so it's definitely not scummy imo. also her case on gamma is still super towny and like skitt said as the time, scum don't really do the "trapping" thing. i'm not really sure why skitt is requiring ssbm to do thing to keep up the townread but i guess we're just approaching this differently, i also thought her early d1 was super towny but she didn't

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are we sure skitter isn't scum

her case on ssbm is pretty bad

And I kind of get the feeling that you've been phoning it in the last few days, but you're not the only one. I don't know if that's because of the staleness of the game rn or if the roster is making the game stale on purpose. Do you have any thoughts on that?

pedit: (that's my gamestate read pooky)

for me, there's way too many towny people and my sr on skitt was where i got a lot of my confidence about my view of the gamestate, but now that i'm less confident there i don't really know where to go.

i feel like part of it is that people have been waiting for ss to do stuff, but besides that i'm not really sure what's making the gamestate stale

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making sense is a scumtell tbh

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That last post is the most convincing evidence that Galron was lying about scumreading me at the end of D1/start of D2.

and you're 100% convinced that he wasn't just asking about ss's perspective why?

this is really obviously tvt honestly

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VOTE: s_s

meh maybe this will help move the game along

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like, you haven't read the whole game and you're not 100% confident in your reads, what exactly is the holdup from doing more solving? you don't have to read the whole game, but i suggested reading a section of it

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fair enough, i'm not convinced it's ai for ss but maybe.

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i think if dgb is scum it's not necessarily acting scummy on purpose, but pretending like it doesn't care on purpose. not super occam's razor-y, but still possible.

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if ss flips town i'm probably at the point where i have to trust my past self that skitt is scum

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i can confirm that the ss trajectory really doesn't seem like something skitt would do on the surface. and that she uses tildes a lot. i think she's more likely than not town here (maybe town!skitt focuses a bit more on making "sense" rather than depth when she's not giving 100% in a game). the only thing that's stopping me from just calling her town is the amount of gut d1 scumreads that i've wrongly went back on (including on skitt)

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i can confirm that the ss trajectory really doesn't seem like something skitt would do on the surface.

(as scum)

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i'll say that's a yes

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though, if ss is town, i have too many townreads and i'll have to think about her again

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I think if ss is town there's scum in the consensus townreads

who do you put in this category

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Tetrina/pooky/ceph/ydra/you/gamma

Possibly one more i'm forgetting offhand rn

sure, the rand chance that there's a scum in there is very high anyway

where would you look in there?

ninja'd

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Why Pooky? That one feels pretty raw

He hasn't given me any reason not to

what would a reason to TR pooky look like? i have difficulty reading him

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ok but why does that lead to suspecting him?

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i've decided i like ceph actually

his agenda if scum is kinda ??? and his thoughts feel organic

enchant flipping scum didn't give me useful info tbh since there aren't many interactions to look and and idk if scum would bus there or not, they may have thought it was inevitable or maybe not

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what did you think of the bunch of posts i made at the start of toDay?

i think you capitalizing day is supposed to tell me whether it means rl day or day phase

if it's the former they didn't leave an immediate impression but your ~vibe~ has sort of been at the back of my mind so i guess i've decided they were towny

if it's the latter they left no impression

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the former. since you feel like you didn't gain much from analyzing d1 and that was my attempt to analyze d1, maybe it could give you a thought or you could tell me why my thoughts suck

i can do this tomorrow if you don't mind me going "that's not ai imo" for a lot of things? i think a lot of things are nai unless you squint really hard

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that's fine. i mean, you don't have to, i was just wondering if it might be helpful to you to think about what others are getting out of the day if you didn't get anywhere on your own

i am rebellious and independent and my style of reading people doesn't tend to mesh well with others' but i will attempt

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(btw this argument is probably just a playstyle difference)

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Everyone seems resigned that SS is town and this will be a miz. So why aren't we flipping scum then.

me and probably others don't know who scum is and feel like ss has at least a decent chance of being scum

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maybe instead of doing ceph's thing i'll try to towncase galron, i'm very confused dent he's town!

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UNVOTE:

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what, exactly, is scummy about having reasons to vote someone that you don't voice until you're questioned on them?

galron wagon is terrible and i'd much rather just go back to ss

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why is scum going to make up a dumb reason to call you scum when they already have a justification for voting you?

galron can answer why (if?) he was calling you scum for that question in particular but i really don't see how this is relevant to his alignment

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I'm really, really not a fan of this galron thing and think he will flip town

Would you want to wagon any of {ssbm, Infinity, Gamma, Tetrina}?

That's my preferred pool, in mild order of preference.

i would vote literally anyone else in the game over this pool + galron

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if ss is town scum bussed obviously and i think scum were ok doing that because they figured both enchant and ss we're getting flipped anyway

VOTE: dgb not super happy with this but it's better than other wagons. i feel better about ss now, i do feel like he's actually trying to solve and usually when he's scum his questions feel like they have an agenda behind them or are just useless.

i'm worried that ydrasse is scum tbh cause everyone posting is so towny

maybe ceph makes sense as scum and he's just not efforting but still can look towny anyway?

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i think skitter is town ? ? ?

i’ve been going back and forth internally but a case like that from her which contextualizes how pooky should be treating her makes sense but idk if it makes him scum either

and the mindmeld, lovely

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i really wouldn’t play out these day phases like this and would have capitalized on the cred of flipping enchant instead of fading out; when i play scum i commit usually to how much i put into it

ok but i have way too many good reasons to tr people to take your word on this, sorry

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why is scum going to make up a dumb reason to call you scum when they already have a justification for voting you?

galron can answer why (if?) he was calling you scum for that question in particular but i really don't see how this is relevant to his alignment

would like to hear more thoughts on this when you get back ssbm

pedit: that's fair, ceph doesn't seem to care too much about his perception and still is internally consistent

it just sort of feels like that's something that scum!ceph could reasonably fake, compared to some other people who i don't see as scum at all.

skitt is actually getting up there tbh because of how much she's re-evaluating and starting over and trying to latch on to things that could be scummy, whereas as scum i don't know what she's doing at all here.

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ss have you seen 801? i thought it was very towny.

also i'm good at reading gamma and he's town although i'm not sure how to express it besides meta

i want to at least get you thinking about a world where ssbm/gamma are town because we seem to be approaching the game from a somewhat similar perspective despite those disagreements.

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i've declined to express my reasoning for a read right away like 7000 times as town and multiple times this game already, it's probably town-indicative if nothing

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dgb what's your flavor name?

not super convinced by this claim cause the main reason i had to townread dgb was the anti-survivalistic behavior

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bodyguards never endgame so what r u even worried about

dgb choosing the "wrong target" a few times? or even just a deadline crunch outing/limming another pr.

i think it's fine to wait and elim dgb in elo, but also i feel pretty good about skitt/galron/ss and i think dgb is probably just scum here, so i don't really want to move my vote

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here's ss practically begging for people to vote him

if a good option pops up i'll change my vote but i'm not going to vote a townread over dgb here unless i absolutely have to

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VOTE: ceph

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why make that post that way then

probably so that he doesn't explicitly claim vt?

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would people be pissed at me if i claimed doctor now?

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VOTE: dgb

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why did you vote for cephrir if you're a doctor?

i think bodyguard and doctor can exist in the same setup but i guess other people don't. the scummiest thing about dgb is that it still hasn't given a flavor name

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(i'm a field medic)

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i should go back to being unserious and let ydra run the table

@infy who did u protect

i protected ydrasse i thought the making a crew with ceph thing was a crumb lol

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gg!

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thanks for modding tweet!

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i did not realize shutterbug was tweet that is so funny