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i decided to vote them at the top of the page, scrolled down to see 3 more votes or whatever, and didn't see why that should stop me. i don't think running people up to e-1 early is bad. you're only mad about it because some genius quickhammered"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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I feel like it's kinda not my problem if you dont read as deeply as I am readingIn post 211, Roden wrote:This feels like a reach, there just wasn't enough content or posts at the time to say they looked scummy, RVS had barely even ended at the time."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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I am surprised this is so controversial tbh. I thought cop was likely to be a scare away claim, especially as I was not expecting a straight up cop to exist in what seems like a complex setup. I felt the way that they claimed it didn't seem like it was coming from a town mindset and some of their other posts (which multiple other players keep pretending didnt exist???) Were bad as well. I can get more detailed momentarilyIn post 220, Ampharos wrote:ceph, would love it if you could briefly walk me through your mindset at the time - specifically what was going through your mind when they claimed cop"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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This post is pretty uselessIn post 80, StrangeMatter wrote:Huh, that RVS ended very quickly for a lot of people or felt like it.
I agree both of what Dunnstral has said. The Upick is likely designed for not everyone to use their roles and flavor as balance if the roles are probably town favored. However, can't really say if this is town or mafia trying to look good with two fairly reasonable ideas out there, so I'm going to put a pin in this for now.In post 75, Galron wrote:
I like this post.In post 47, Dunnstral wrote:Don't claim your scp flavor, it's linked to the breach mechanic. It's likely that more dangerous subjects have more dangerous breaches.
Don't be afraid to not use an ability as town if it uses up d-class or security personnel. I don't think all town players are supposed to use their abilities every night.
I think this is when I decided to vote this person. The main goal of my vote was pressure, but I felt that caring about why someone has an issue with them on page 4 is a scum trait. if i were scum, i might have been scared to e-1 someone and draw attention to myself and definitely would have provided a nice looking reason for my vote, but ok let's do level 1 thinking and pretend i couldn't do that for some reason because i'm so badIn post 87, StrangeMatter wrote:
I want to hear what this tell is by the way.In post 82, SirCakez wrote:
VOTE: strange matterIn post 80, StrangeMatter wrote:Huh, that RVS ended very quickly for a lot of people or felt like it.
This is a scum tell
i really didn't like this post. the weasel wording around getting to cop was weird to me, what is the point of telling us this. it seemed like a desperate attempt to link it to something they were already talking about? and discounting their usefulness made me think they were scum who was going to pretend to be roleblocked so they wouldn't have to produce helpful results. so i suggested that they might actually be scum. which was a completely normal thing to do for someone who couldn't see into the future. i wanted to talk about it more and keep them under pressure.In post 100, StrangeMatter wrote:Yeah ok.
Btw I can confirm it is a PR role a newbie game would probably have, which is Cop, which I use 5 D-Class to check if they are Town or not.
Either way I don't think my role will be useful anymore unless we happened to have a doctor.
this is fearmongering which i also feel is a scum traitIn post 103, StrangeMatter wrote:
I mean go ahead, follow the scumtell with almost no objections to it which nobody has stated and I don't know, kill PR and have another member of Town die.In post 101, Cephrir wrote:I think this might actually be scum?
this is omgusIn post 104, StrangeMatter wrote:This wagon just stinks of Infiltrators if anyone asks me. If you need my flip to confirm it I don't know what to tell you.
and this is being deliberately unhelpful. thought a cop should want to play and not take their ball and go home after a barely post rvs nothing wagon. they crumbled under pressure and it looked like scum. again, i didn't plan to elim them on page 5, but if i saw someone act like this in another game i would vote them again. i'd be right 8 times out of 10.In post 109, StrangeMatter wrote:I'm not going to claim what my flavor is at this point. Only 5 pages in and town has already screwed themselves over, and I'm already annoyed at this game."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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idk why you would assume don't like doesn't mean "i think it's scummy". it usually doesIn post 223, SCP 999 wrote:"I dont like the places scp 999 has decided to - " gonna stop you right there chief- you're going the level 1 route of assuming disagree = mafia"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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i feel like im going to townread you for life for the same reason, bc i was pushing on stuff there that i legitimately believed tended to come from scum and now i know you just do those thingsIn post 260, Galron wrote:I'm probably going to scum read Cephrir for life because of another game we played in so I have to be careful with him that I don't confbias myself.
although im not townreading you yet here i guess!"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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ok well for future reference if i say i dislike something it means i think it's scummy or coming from scum and the opposite goes for likingIn post 279, SCP 999 wrote:disagree but that can be a postgame discussion because I have strong opinions about it and it would derail the game. Basically i think the "scummy" part is debatable in terms of player accuracy level in finding actual scumtells"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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why aren't you voting for me thenIn post 292, Zyla wrote:I won't be around for the rest of the night, so here's a readslist
LLD - Lock Town
Dunn, Galron - Town
Ampharos - Light Town
Roden - Null Town
Dwlee, Infinity, SCP - Null
Sir Cakes - Scum Lean
Cephrir - Scum
GIF - Definitely Scummy, all of his posts are major TMI"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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because i was being harassed about itIn post 307, SirCakez wrote:Ceph why did you feel the need to justify your vote on someone who is already dead?"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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You remind me of leon kuwata
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to put my earlier thought into understandable words
i feel like scp's response to pressure seems to consistently be to ask a ton of basically bad faith questions in an attempt to bury the person suspecting them because it takes longer to answer a question than to ask one so when they can't answer them all scp has "won the argument""I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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you can do that without asking 17 questionsIn post 336, SCP 999 wrote:
how are they bad faith?In post 333, Cephrir wrote:to put my earlier thought into understandable words
i feel like scp's response to pressure seems to consistently be to ask a ton of basically bad faith questions in an attempt to bury the person suspecting them because it takes longer to answer a question than to ask one so when they can't answer them all scp has "won the argument"
its literally asking people to ellaborate their thought process - this is how you find town.
maybe you should listen to people who have consistent wins as town like i have been - they tell me the same thinga -look for the thought process, don't look at just the actions.
cool brag and inexplicable attempt at negging me like i've never played mafia before"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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are you always this fun to interact withIn post 340, SCP 999 wrote:
i say the last thing when people decide to start other conversation topics without answering - point out where i do so without the other person posting.In post 337, Cephrir wrote:it's like getting all up in their face in real life
why'd you do that huh?
what's with this huh?
[without waiting long enough for them to answer] why arent you saying anything huh huh huh?
you've been playing mafia since 2006, had perhaps a higher expectation of you to understand basic mafia concepts."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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ill be honest i said that 30% because of a nice vibe from like 1 post and 70% to see if it would annoy youIn post 355, SCP 999 wrote:
do you think cakez is town because he is doing agreeable things that you are seeing or is there something deeper here?In post 329, Cephrir wrote:Cakez feels town here :3
as in we preflipping people or nah?"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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you can't just call everything you don't like bad faith. it's not a good way to start a conversation when i literally know for a fact that it is not in bad faith.In post 387, Infinity Zero wrote:
While it’d probably be fun to gab about this I also kinda don’t wanna when your SR on me is in terrible faith? Like, you are clearly blind to the fact the same shit you seem to be pushing us for is the same shit you pulled.In post 320, Cephrir wrote:I guess probably no one but gamma will understand that post
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i don't really have any idea what you're talking about though."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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i don't feel that we have done the same shit in that department. different posts are different even if they include the same votes. i also feel that this pissiness from you is your scum meta, but i know that hearing that isn't going to helpIn post 402, Infinity Zero wrote:How the hell else am I supposed to take you calling your approach to SM acceptable and then slamming us when we’ve basically done the same damn shit in that department? I don’t think mechanics and meta talk are fair things to push us on when the game had barely started generating real content when SM got hammered and meta is basically the backbone of my playstyle, as much as I try to fight it.
this game is so weird why is everyone fixated on the weirdest shit"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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on a quick skim of your iso this is the only post i see that fits the above description, but i could be missing something.In post 176, Infinity Zero wrote:Could someone please tell me why the hell we’re actually getting sussed? The most I’ve seen was Ceph saying that we’re “focused on mechanics” which at least on my part I don’t feel like I have been, and I think picking at me for talking about other games in relation to this one is the dumbest fucking thing ever for Cephrir who’s played me plenty enough to know that’s how I am. And everyone that isn’t Cephrir has done jack-fucking-all to rationalize SRing us.
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it's true that you do like to talk about other games a lot.
i'll think on it some more. i haven't lockscummed you forever and am feeling chill about the whole thing at this exact moment"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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can you think of any reason why you have this ability? i can'tIn post 424, SCP 999 wrote:Theres only 1 unaccounted for dclass and i am already a town protective - and for me to DISABLE my ability is 2 dclass so I'm having trouble believing this vig claim - especially since its 1 shot and so gated supposedly."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Can you elaborate on both parts of this?In post 473, Zyla wrote:Towniness isn't based on actions for me, galron and dunn both didn't have bad vibes"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Sure. I liked his opening today but that's really the only time I've had a thought about him at all.In post 484, SCP 999 wrote:Ok this is a random question for everyone : but who feels that Roden has flown really hard under the radar?"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Obviously I want the information, we can decide what to do afterwardsIn post 489, SCP 999 wrote:ok like full honesty i want to switch to roden 100% but like im afraid of people then flipping it as me trying to "save a partner" [zyla] and then like end up mislimming today and then tomorrow is even worse and we snowball into a loss - so i'm being careful trying to make sure we can cooperate - but if people are willing to listen and be convinced, I'd like to shine light on Roden here right now."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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I'm a good scum player, at least as far as avoiding the lim. I excel at sounding town tonally and imitating my town game.In post 505, SCP 999 wrote:@Cephir, I have possibly the least experience playing with you - only doing so by proxy via Team Mafia iirc - what would you say are key differences in play when you are scum vs when you are town? - I'm basically asking you to explain why you are town for sure here. I am asking this from a place of townreading you - but I'm currently at a point where everyone feels *good* to some degree and I need to start raising the bar more.
At a baseline, I tend to play more confident and care more as scum and be kind of a sideline/support player as town (though I still post plenty usually), but I'm aware of this so will sometimes project lower confidence and/or wim on purpose. Perhaps unfortunately, having bad reads is probably a towntell. As for how to tell the difference, I honestly don't know, but some people seem to manage it. I'm probably better at sounding town on my own than managing associatives?"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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The former is basically what I liked as well. Dude has 20 posts, I can only work with what I've got. And I mean as expressed above I'm not actually a good scumhunter so nyeh.In post 510, SCP 999 wrote:
but this is not a good holistic reason to townread ?In post 508, Infinity Zero wrote:genuine but not overblown frustration about the d1 elim; good mechanics spec
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thats not how effective scumhunting works - you should know that."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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I don't know about clearing Zyla tbh I couldn't even follow that but if y'all want to move that's fine.
No. VOTE: Galron
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nahIn post 674, SCP 999 wrote:1) there was only 1 kill. I am a self protective who self disabled protection. Occams razor can conclude with known information that there is an equal chance that there was a save and that there was no vig shot.
2) lld claimed 1 shot. We have no future way to verify the claim now according to her.
3) the only proof of ability used is resources drained. The win con for scum is to gain a majority/plurality or drain all resources. It is reasonable to think there is a chance they have resource draining abilities.
all of this makes the claim NAI and should NOT be at all factoring into your read on her - like seriously i have not once mentioned that I scumread her off the claim and that the fact theres no proof just maintains plausibility.
i agree that scum vigs are possible, but they're not the most likely thing, and so it's enough to look past the slot especially when there are plenty of others i have equally no reason to townread
i don't think scum took a shot on someone who was going to come under fire today with their normal nightkill"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Why isnt dwlee in this group for you?
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