Mini 233: Gem Mafia (Day five, Game over.)

[chaotic_diablo]

not so random

vote chaotic_diablo

. Just to tell you that I'm here.

[chaotic_diablo]

I'd like to hear how confirmation time can be used to catch scum.

[chaotic_diablo]

I'm not convinced. These mafia could be experienced, or they could be newbs who are intimidated by the 'experienced' players and decided to get rid of them.

If your correct in your speculation, than coron is the mafia godfather since he's the only one who can send in a choice. Either that or he's cop, vig, roleblocker, etc. Or he could just be a random townie who just happened to confirm late.
In other words, I'm not convinced. However, if we don't get anyway in the next few days, I'll 'pretend' to agree and add on the vote. I have a faint memory of coron playing innocent when he turned out to be scum.

[chaotic_diablo]

I have a plan, let's go to random.org and randomly bandwagon someone for information!
Seriously, we need to do something.

For some reason, I always mistake crola's avatar for some kind of yelling fat monkey. On closer inspection, it isn't.

[chaotic_diablo]

Hmm, I don't want to anger the fat yelling monkey.

unvote CD vote Fryguy

[chaotic_diablo]

I don't quite follow. I'll be rereading the thread to make some sense of it. I'll give you my input later.

[chaotic_diablo]

okay, I got things cleared up. I don't support metagaming.

on a side note, there's been alot of excuses on our candidates for lurking. Most of them are pretty valid. I'm a bit worried if it will keep up like this.

[chaotic_diablo]

If kain wanted to divert attention, then it wouldn't make sense to blatantly tell everyone rhapsody isn't posting right after an issue is resolved.

[chaotic_diablo]

I'd rather have FryGuy at least attempt to make a defense before claiming.

[chaotic_diablo]

FryGuy said that his actions were unintentional and that his lurking was mafia-like because of it.

Personally, I want to unvote, but there isn't any other people who really stand out to be suspicious.

[chaotic_diablo]

wha...? I had no idea the game started again. I'll reread the thread and give you my input.

[chaotic_diablo]

wha...? I had no idea the game started again. I'll reread the thread and give you my input.

The game hasn't stopped, it's still day one.
I will wait for the replacement to come, he/she's our best lead right now.

The forum lock stopped the game for a bit. In that time, I never checked to see if the forum was unlocked. Now that it is, I consider it to have started again.
I can see a reason why there would be a back up cop in a small game, but there are plenty of counter reasons to it as well.
I'm going to stick with my vote due to Crola's various points. I don't get scummy vibes from darquiel or Fryguy, however, day one is mostly speculation and such.

[chaotic_diablo]

I don't like how Kain is acting. His motives are unclear to me. He doesn't act like scum, but he doesn't actually help us either. Followed by several other speculations, I just find him to be unpredictable.

unvote

fos kain

[chaotic_diablo]

no he hasn't. As far as I can tell, kain's defense sounds more like an invitation to lynch him than an actual defense.

kain insists on looking into coron and crola, yet he hasn't given any reasons. The only things that might make coron or cola suspicious is crola's limping, kain's first speculation, and coron's vote on kain for speculating. Other than that, I still don't like how kain is acting.

On a side note, I still find it strange that crola is limping and holding his side. Usually when someone limps, they've been hurt pretty badly.

[chaotic_diablo]

he claimed townie. which gemstone is he?

[chaotic_diablo]

it's true, we can't link a role with a gem, however, we might be able to use the information anyway. There have been many instances where roles don't link up with the names and town could still use the info to their advantage.

[chaotic_diablo]

(I like my avatar )

@kain, how will lynching you prove that they are scum? Even if you turn out to be townie, it doesn't prove a single thing. You have no evidence of their suspicious and you have no night information; all we have is your word that their suspicious. If you have something to tell us, why don't you tell us now instead of waiting for us to lynch you?

[chaotic_diablo]

My guess that the cause of the delayed attack probably has nothing to do with mafia. We had two kills on night one with crola limping. This means there is still an sk, another mafia group, or a vigilante. If you ask me, I'm more inclined to believe vigilante since having either 2 mafia groups or 2 SKs seem unbalanced in a 12 person game.

I'd like to hear from rhapsdy2. His last post was around Oct 6.

I'm going to hunt around the thread and see if I can pick anything up. Most likely I'm not going to find anything...

[chaotic_diablo]

Just to tell everyone, we have to lynch scum today or we lose. If we no lynch or lynch the wrong person, we will have 6 people left and scum will win. I'll advise everyone to think before they place their votes.

[chaotic_diablo]

How is my logic incoherent? I simply disagreed with Thisisnotme and stated my own reason. Followed by that, I informed everyone why it was necesary to catch scum. There is no incoherancy in logic.

Since when have I had an obsession with Thisisnotme? Are you mistaking me for Crola?

[chaotic_diablo]

I repeat, please refrain from placing a vote on anyone without thinking it through.

If there are 3 scum left, it only takes one random vote for them to quick lynch and win. For instance, if Darquiel is innocent, all scum has to do is wait for someone to stupidly vote an innocent then gang up for a quick vote count of 4, which ends up with an innocent lynch followed by Darquiel's delayed demise. That reduces the town count to 6, which means we automaticaly lose without entering night. Afterall, they won't care if they get caught in the act since they'd win.

I'm repeating this only because Bacde(no offense) did just the opposite of what I just said before and placed a vote without real reason. We were particularly lucky that scum didn't catch that.

Since Rhapsdy2's demise hasn't come yet, it's pretty safe to say that he might be scum. If he's innocent, then we're screwed because all scum has to do is place one more vote on him and we lose.

The only reason how Rhapsdy would be innocent and not be dead yet is if all three of the votes on him are already scum, which is highly unlikely.

[chaotic_diablo]

@shiryu, I'm a hypocrite . 5 to lynch.

[chaotic_diablo]

I'd like to say Thisisnotme is still possibly scum. Bifrost investigated TWO scum which turned out to be henchmen. As you already know, a regular mafia group consists of two henchmen and a godfather. The godfather appears innocent in investigations and is immune to night kills. Since Bifrost caught two guilty results, the only one left is the godfather, which means all of Bifrost's previous investigations are void.

Since Thisisnotme just claimed that he couldn't be killed, I'm pretty suspicious of him right now. I'd also like to hear what Bacde has to say. Mayb he has something which can help us catch the last scum.

@Shiryu, you forget, the killer also targetted unclaimed people such as Crola and Coron. Both turned out to be Sk and scum. Followed by that, the killer failed to actually kill an innocent protown. I don't understand how you can claim our killer is antitown when he/she hasn't killed anyone from the protown side yet.

[chaotic_diablo]

@Bacde, take a wild guess and I'll confirm it if it's right.

[chaotic_diablo]

@This is not me, no hard feelings, but your post is pretty confusing. The only parts I could understand was that your a doc that could save one time every two nights and you targeted Darquiel and yourself. Could you clarify it by adding some periods, commas, and spaces inbetween?

There is also another reason why I think our killer is protown. If you look at the way he kills, you know that he kills them by created cracks in them. How can an unfaceted gem create a crack in another gem? This means the killer is actually faceted since the cracks were probably made by the sharp edges of the gem. For instance, amber used gunk to kill people. It made sense since amber is fossilized tree sap.

I support a mass roleclaim. I have a few suspicious I want to lay out but I can't be exact if all the information is blurred up. Bacde was wrong when he said I was a mason. However, if anyone is smart enough to put two and two together, you would already know what my role is.

[chaotic_diablo]

What does your role say? It says protown wins when all

scum

are dead. An SK is not scum, therefore we don't need to kill SK in order to win.

Yes, godfathers are usually immune to cop investigations. Followed by that, they are usually immune to nightkills as well.
http://mafiascum.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl/Godfather

Just to tell you, I'm obsidian, the vigilante. In no way were my targets random, except for crola. I targeted Darquiel because she received the most support from Coron.
Since I took kain's suspicions into account, I thought there might have been a connection between the two. After Darquiel didn't die, I assumed she was godfather and targeted coron. As it turns out, coron was scum but Darquiel was not. Which meant I was half right.
Last night was a pretty hard decision. I didn't catch any scummy vibes from anyone, so I targeted TINM because he didn't immediately agree with lynching Coron. Although there was the cop investigation, there is also the godfather, so I dumped Bifrost's innocent result and gambled.

So far, the information provided by TINM doesn't match with my speculation. Darquiel said she protected Coron. However, Coron was scum, which means scum couldn't have targeted him. Followed by that, TINM targeted Darquiel after the day started, which meant he couldn't have stopped the mafia night kill. Where did that night kill go?
I have several guesses:
1. TINM is scum and my role isn't fullproof when I kill
2. Darquiel lied
3. Another role interfered
4. Darquiel didn't give us all the information her role provided

[chaotic_diablo]

Here is my opinion. TINM's role is strange because it seemed to be made just to counter my own role. Bacde's role is strange because there is a redundancy with nullifying and repelling. Shiryu's role is strange because I say so and you can't do anything about it.

Overall, I think Bacde or Shiryu is scum. Shiryu claimed last, which meant he knew that the gem 'diamond' was open. It's pretty unlikely that TINM will have that gem. Both Bacde and Shiryu also have some immunity to night killing, which suggests godfather-like abilities. If you ask me, I'm leaning toward Bacde more since Shiryu did suggest that he never thought of a 'godfather' in the first place.

If you don't believe i'm a vigilante, I'll prove in another way. Say TINM isn't godfather and you lynch me. godfather kills TINM and you lose anyway.
Say TINM isn't godfather and you lynch the godfather, You'd still have enough time to lynch me the next day if you believe I'm the SK. I really can't do anything since my ability is a delayed night kill, not instant.
Say TINM is the godfather and you lynch me. TINM can kill shiryu if he targeted him before for a 100% chance of loss for town, or target Bacde for a 50% chance of town losing. If for some reason you actaually avoid a loss, you will know TINM is godfather.
Say TINM is the godfather and you lynch him, you'd still have enough time to lynch me the next day.
Either way, if you lynch me, you'd better believe TINM is godfather or town is screwed.

[chaotic_diablo]

I'd like a full claim from TINM as well before I make any final judgements.

[chaotic_diablo]

TINM, can you describe how your gem can save others? My role says that I scratch people which causes the delayed night kill. Bacde's role says he produces an electrical charge or something like that. Shiryu's gem is the hardest natural material so it makes sense that he would be saved from one night kill.
How does your role fit with your gem? Surely your gem doesn't just save people by imagination?

[chaotic_diablo]

My vote would go to Bacde. I find it strange his role was specifically made just so only the SK can kill him. Of course, Bacde can't really use the SK as an argument as the SK is already dead.
Followed by that, Quartz produces electricity through

mechanical

stress, not any type object that touches it. Mechanical means: of or relating to machines. I'm not quite reliant on the "wording", but I'm keeping a pretty close eye on it.

I'm quite convinced that TINM isn't godfather as without him, it just doesn't seem possible that he saved Darquiel. However, it's quite possible that my role isn't fullproof and TINM is taking advantage of that.

Now, I can't end a post without presenting my suspicions on Shiryu. Well, I'm not getting scummy vibes from him, but I'm having problems believing his role.

chalcedony: Another type of Quartz. There are many different types of quartz, for instance, Smoky Quartz. An interesting fact about Obsidian is that it is sometimes mistaken for Smoky Quartz.

[chaotic_diablo]

vote TIMN

it's a giant gamble from here on out.

[chaotic_diablo]

Hmm, I DID anger the yelling fat monkey...