Mini 1088: Cookie Thief Mafia (Game Over)

[RobCapone]

So hey.

Who took the cookie from the cookie jar?

Idk but I heard someone saw a tiger

[RobCapone]

vote zed

Girls play mafia?

[RobCapone]

Kublai khan makes me think of cobra Kai

Sweep the leg Johnny

[RobCapone]

yeah history, I think I slept through that class

[RobCapone]

i was the first vote and this is RVS you're dumb

unvote
vote elleran

for misrepping me

UNVOTE: drmyshottyizsik

VOTE: drmyshottyizsik for real. Overreacting to a random vote on him.

my vote was real the firrst time, now you've mis repped and contradicted yourself. If your first vote was random why did you give a reason?

so which is it shotty, either it was RVS or it was real, can't be both.

[RobCapone]

I did?

[RobCapone]

Did he really speculate on scum chat pre-game?

:skeptical:

[RobCapone]

VoteCount 1.1

drmyshottyizsik (2): andrew94, Elleran
RobCapone (1): Kublai Khan
Darox (2): Zed, Llarmarble
Zed (1): RobCapone
Elleran (4): drmyshottyizsik, Stigmata, Llamarble, PoisonIvy
Llarmarble (1): lewarcher82

Not voting: Darox

With 12 people alive, town needs 7 votes to lynch someone.

Just being picky but you got Llar voting twice, and you dont have furclow voting and he isn't in the not voting either

[RobCapone]

Since rvs seems to be over

unvote

[RobCapone]

Since rvs seems to be over

unvote

Please explain to me what prompted this outlandish statement and why you believe it to be true.

Kublai, yes I have.

Just a feeling I had, could be because somebody has 4 votes already and 4 is a bandwagon forming

[RobCapone]

1. No magical number but discussions Plus 4 make it seem more than rvs from what I can tell

2. The votes in this instance, or from what I can tell from the skimming I have done on m phone, seems there is substance in some of these votes

3. I have been glancing in on my phone from work and school, once I get to a pc, I'll look over the thread more carefully

[RobCapone]

ok reading through, I can sort of see why some people are voting Elleran but quite frankly I just think it is a big misunderstanding but she did try to get the game out of RVS with her unvote and vote again, but not sure that really means much

the two things that stand out still is Shotstick's promise that he was pro-town, just seemed to come out of nowhere for me, I don't really like the llarmarble comment about the scum talking pre-game, the fact that Darox hasn't placed an RVS vote yet when it is clear that we are moving out of RVS, and the fact that andrew has basically done nothing so far

[RobCapone]

why do you feel that you should not place a random vote in RVS?

[RobCapone]

why do you feel that you should not place a random vote in RVS?

Not going to fly, burden of proof is in your court.

Why do I have to put down a meaningless vote that I will remove as soon as I see something genuinely voteworthy?

there is no burden of proof on me, what the hell are you talking about.

Unvote, Vote:Darox

[RobCapone]

oh boy, sorry about the unexpected absence, I will try and catch up soon

[RobCapone]

ok skimming through real quick to see what missed but before I do

unvote

so many pages I don't even remember if I am even voting anyone

[RobCapone]

ok giving my catchup post as I see them

page 4 impressions

1. WOW furc (facepalm) so much for your suggestion of all of us working together
2. I agreed with darox that the wagon on him was probably a joke up until he self voted. self voting is usually not something town should do

page 5

yeah looks like on page 4, furc opens mouth and enters foot, I take it this is normal for him?
I basically agree with ivy, except for the fact she mentions godfather. way to early to make any assumptions yet, it's day 1
shotty owes me $5 also
who is this andrew kid, he makes no sense
kubla on the other hand, makes lots of sense. good point about the neighbors, day 1 is too early to assume anything about allignments
shotty, please if you want to eat a cookie, go ahead. I am eating oreo's right now

page 6

well first, furclow, no AtE is not strictly a scum tell, town uses AtE also. I'd suggest you browse the mafia discussion forum because I believe there is a thread about scum tells, also a thread about how to improve your gameplay, and from what I can tell based on this game alone and the reputation people have of you, that thread you need to live there for a few months.

Since I missed what was quoted from the QT and not sure what all I can say, furc was the one who suggested we should work together and ivy and I were talking before game started, furc happened to not want to share any information or really discuss options. he was just concered with making sure allignments were not known

page 7

lewarcher, here are my answers

1. no
2. yes
3. not allowed to say
4. scouts, girls club, and theifs are all mentioned

stig - I think mod intervention involved with furc's quoting info from a QT is deserved, sorry you don't agree. hope we replace you soon

llamarble and darox battling back and forth, seems like 2 townies going back and forth but both have valid points.

sorry, I will try and do a deeper read through tomorrow but for now I really think furclow is a moron and I really can't see any pro-town motivation to come out with the girls club on day 1 and unless he received a totally different role pm about the girl's club he has TOTALLY mislead you guys about mafia being in the girls club.

I am not saying it isn't possible but I just can't see how that would be fair to town, but I never heard of neighbors before and I thought this was a mason type group, and call me naive if you want but i am going to stick with that believe that we are all town.

[RobCapone]

mod, heads up my activity on the weekends drop dramatically, I will try and check in to keep the flow of the game moving but if you don't see me much it is because of that

Noted. -mod

[RobCapone]

This whole neighbors thing has really got us in a quandary

We can't try and out guess the mod, who knows what he has done

If we assume there is one mafia and lynch someone and are wrong about them than immediately the 2 remaining members won't trust each other and have esentially made girls club worthless

If we have 1 scum we are going to lose 2 town in the process

So many ways mafia could fuck with town also if they are in gc, I think mafia in gc tips this game to favor mafia

If we assume 1 scum and we are wrong, we lose 3 town and mafia has the edge yet again

If anything outing girls club has helped the cop (assuming there is one) cause it has eliminated 3 people to investigate making his odds to catch scum better for us.

[RobCapone]

i didnt CHECK it until it was closed
and i didnt even read your 2000 word post until after i saw how you were acting in-thread
i originally thought it was rob (hence why i voted him), but then i saw your scumslip, ate, and omgus

your scumslip was mentioning knowledge noone else had (implying you're the godfather here)
your AtE was the "I'm innocent." after complaining and begging people to not listen to me
your OMGUS was voting me whenever I made a case on you as opposed to

real

scumhunting

the problem with this is your last post on the QT was a day and a half before it closed and you were posting in regular intervals before that, so all of a sudden once you bring it up you stop checking? seems awfully convenient.

and furclow, have you thought about the fact that what if you are wrong and neighbors is all town, you just have put the rest of town in a very bad disadvantage and have taken away a special power that would no longer be available to them, and for what? so you can have town cred?

there are other ways to earn town cred, it's called SCUM HUNT and from what I can tell reading your meta, you don't have a good track record of it.

[RobCapone]

I will even go one further Elleran

@Darox, you haven't even attempted to begin scum hunting yet, how are you helping town?

also you said that furc was

Annoying for the other player(s) to deal with.

how would you react if you were accused of being annoying for others to deal with, because quite frankly your play so far this game matches that exact phrase.

you are annoying to deal with and eventually that IS going to lead to you getting lynched because you aren't doing anything to help.

[RobCapone]

ok? you have been anti-town and contributing nothing all game
my strategy is very viable
get your head out of your ass and wake up to who the real scum in our club is
if you really are suspicious of me, you have no idea of my meta WHATSOEVER so don't act like you do

I may not be super active but I HAVE been contributing to the game. I pointed out the fact that you brought up working together and got ivy and I taking and you decide to clam up, you have mis-led these people into believing things that just aren't true.

and you don't know what I know about your meta. I know you like to claim power roles when you are VT and you pull all kinds of antics. I also know that you are often referred to as a VI and you purposely cause town to fail, which I feel you are doing now.

and my head is out of my ass, I believe you could be the scum in our club more than Ivy is.

[RobCapone]

honestly, guys, if poison ivy is not scum i offer myself up for lynch

wow really and if ivy were lynched, you woudn't start back peddling or anything? I doubt it.

[RobCapone]

I definitively don't agree with this Ivy wagon, furclow is the one who has been the one scummiest in my mind.

Vote: furclow

[RobCapone]

andrew has been anti-scum hunting all game.

[RobCapone]

All the neighbors get is the person's name and that person is essentially roleblocked

Abdrew's claim was unnecessary and suspect, especially since he has not been scum hunting

If it is decided to leave neighbors alone for day 1, I'd suggest an Andrew lynch, but for now my vote on furc is still a good one

[RobCapone]

Furc, how does him thinking you are scum, make him scum?

That's pure omgus

[RobCapone]

Ok in a calm like fashion I would like bullet point case on ivy, your crap is hard to read and I can't find your reasons she is scum, except for the godfather thing

P. Edit - stop posting so I can post mfer

[RobCapone]

Furc, you just admit you aren't claiming to be a great player, so why would you expect town to follow you

[RobCapone]

I don't like you giving up ivy, but I understand why you would

Furc has made this game impossible to follow, that's why i asked him to post a case.

I agree about Andrew, he is scumalicious

[RobCapone]

Lerwacher - we get name only, no allignmemt

Andrew - you are very sporadic in your posting and don't add anything, you try to get us to name claim but don't offer to do the same, you volunteer that your alignment can't be known which came out of nowhere and seems suspicious

We don't come out with no result, we return a result that matches our heighborhood. No result seems to favor scum not town IMO

Plus you aren't scum hunting

[RobCapone]

Lol talk about a mixed bag, as I think furc is scum, we need 1 night with all 3 neighbors

unvote, vote: Andrew

I totally beleive he outer his info about his role to earn town cred, cept he had nothing backing him up

A single entity that gets a no result when investigated sounds fishy to me

[RobCapone]

no we did not discuss names in the QT

[RobCapone]

shotty has been prodded already I believe mod said so on the other page

Yup. -mod

[RobCapone]

Just in to pick up my prod. My apologies, I had some unexpected things to take care of that doesn't leave me time to post tonight. I'll be here tomorrow, heopfully with plenty to say.

this isn't going to fly much longer, get unbusy or replace out

[RobCapone]

i took multiple cookies to replace my cookies when nobody is looking.
i am odd olivia.
i have 3 cookies(lives) (2 blank)

i am a cookie scout

this sounds more like a cookie thief than a scout, taking cookies without looking

[RobCapone]

why do I get the feeling you are suicidal townie

[RobCapone]

whoever asked my reaction to poisonivy flipping town:
1) she won't
2) if she does, on the little chance she does, i would offer myself up to be lynched if it pleases the town

don't forget you said if she flips town you will quit mafiascum

[RobCapone]

a scum in the girl's club would want all the girl's club to remain alive so that they could hide
a scum in the girl's club would want to use the girl's club as a cover for their scum team
a scum in the girl's club would not have outted the girl's club, therefore

that last one I disagree with

[RobCapone]

whoever asked my reaction to poisonivy flipping town:
1) she won't
2) if she does, on the little chance she does, i would offer myself up to be lynched if it pleases the town

don't forget you said if she flips town you will quit mafiascum

go re-read what i said
you have it wrong

WHY do you disagree with the last one? give EVIDENCE that is the case
just because you say B is A, doesn't make it A

because you could be scum and trying to earn town cred by throwing your cookie members under the bus

lynch Ivy, night kill me, sacrifice yourself for mafia day 2 and girls club is gone.

[RobCapone]

I hate you.

I don't trust this andrew kid

[RobCapone]

Interesting observation, with her giving up and now this, I want to hear from her

[RobCapone]

Nope your assessment is dead on balls accurate

[RobCapone]

I bet fake god is sitting back laughing at us right now

If I had to pick, I still say furc over ivy but neighbors should go into night 1 as a trio, in case mafia is in there

And despite her overreactions, ivy makes more logical sense.

Also did I miss something, how does furc know mafia is red?

[RobCapone]

First based on info in QT, furc wanted to work together and got us talking, than threw us under the bus and now denies it, saying fevers away and didn't have a chance to post

Second he switched his stance, first he comes after me and than ivy making it seem like he was suspicious of her this whole time, yet he went for me first which contradicts that in my mind

He is trying to hard to earn town cred

I don't trust ivy either but I'm more cautious of furc who had exposed us as a huge target to mafia, it's careless and reckless and not very pro town. If they kill us all off, we have no info to share.

[RobCapone]

Quote tag got messed up, was trying to quote darox who said it

[RobCapone]

Still, Rob, I fail to see any other explanation for her reaction to the "I'm blue"-statement. And if my explanation is the right explanation, then she cannot by any means be town, and she should be lynched...

can you offer me a convincing alternative explanation?

No I just didn't weigh it as heavily as I guess I should be. I too thought of epic mafia when he said blue

[RobCapone]

My role pm had both tbh

[RobCapone]

Good though out questions, I await her responses

[RobCapone]

Go fish

Ok seriously I agree with elleran, good old fashioned scum hunting is fun

Andrew I have already said your actions made no sense

To me you saw furc trying to get town cred so you followed, same with shotty eating his cookie

You are narrowing down people helping mafia identify who to target, this is anti-town behavior even if you guys turn out to be town.

[RobCapone]

[RobCapone]

Yes, I'm worried that if we lynch 1 the rest will be picked of quickly and gc was a waste

It's better to allow all 3 to go into night 1 to see what happens and if we can all agree on somebody

[RobCapone]

Fakelord said in sign ups there would be mo jesters or VI type roles

[RobCapone]

Lol yes

[RobCapone]

I keep going it over and over in my head and this story by andrew still makes no sense to me

There are no Jesters or other silly roles as the mod said this during sign ups, so a player who is town but comes back with no result, seems right along with those kind of roles the mod said wouldn't be in the game. And if he does have an extra life, than what are we losing if we lynch him?

[RobCapone]

why is no lynch in a mylo situation a bad idea? I only ask because I have NL in mylo situations before

[RobCapone]

Find out if you are lying?

[RobCapone]

i thought that investigative iimmune people are called odd olivia or could be

didn;t you say earlier if investigated the person would get back nothing? if so than this makes no sense

[RobCapone]

I dont

[RobCapone]

unless you are scum and that never happens

[RobCapone]

ivy sure has gone silent, no posts since wednesday

[RobCapone]

I still don't want to lynch a neighbor, andrew's claim is weak, but mari has gone quiet

I'm conflicted ATM

[RobCapone]

attention: if we do not hit L-0, there will be a no-lynch, which gives scum the advantage of having the first kill.

Rob: the GC will be required to share their results and even the paraphrasis of their conversations with town, at this point. If there will be conflicts, they will be evident.

Where is your neighbour, anyway?

How would I know where she is

[RobCapone]

so it looks like Ivy is L-1, I'll hammer I guess but is shotty the consensus for tonight?

[RobCapone]

unvote, vote Ivy

Since you asked nicely

[RobCapone]

damn why does this open up right when I am going to bed, i'll post more tomorrow, sorry off to bed now

[RobCapone]

furclow, what was I supposed to do, my very first post say my result? I was literally going to bed when I saw this game open.
fuck you also because I was the one saying we shoudl go with the suggestion that people on here made investigating shotty, I threw out some other names of people I was suspicious of for thoughts on choosing somebody else. if you had people you were suspicious of you shoudl have said so.

The deal was town was going to lead us who to choose and 2 people chose shotty so that is why we went with shotty.

Hungry Harold

is what shotty's name is

and you were 100% sure ivy was scum saying you would even quit mafiascum and you would offer yourself up to by lynched and look at you now. You are voting me when you told me in the QT that you didn't think I was scum anymore.

you are such a shady charachter man.

now I am going to work and by going to work furclow I mean GOING TO WORK

[RobCapone]

I'm pretty sure it was mentioned that only one goes, if not it was clearly an oversite

I was trying to discuss options with furc, my thinking that what if shotty was mafia and they knew we were going to target him we could agree on somebody else. Furc wanted me to let him pick and I wasn't going to allow that since I think he is the scum in our group

I suggested Andrew who is obviously sketchy and wanted to see if his name was real and I threw out darox also cause to me I thought he was sketchy (sorry dar just being honest)

He didn't seem to want to discuss anything and he posted he chose me to do the action. If he thought I was scum like he is saying now, why not choose himself

And yes the person we watch hears us and stays inside

Hungry Harold seems like a cookie thief name to me cause he is hungry but who knows with the mod what he is doing

[RobCapone]

What were you doing while you got spied upon?

Why does this seem like role fishing to me?

[RobCapone]

What were you doing while you got spied upon?

Why does this seem like role fishing to me?

It's not.

I'm blatantly asking him.

Yeah but seems fishy. Why ask him what his role is

[RobCapone]

I jailbroke him?

I was asked to post my results so I did

He threatened to "eat" his cookie so clearly his name fits but does it make him scum?

I don't know

[RobCapone]

Ok i apologize for the role fishing accusation, I agree given his name it's probably a logical question to ask

[RobCapone]

shotty, why do you threaten to eat your cookie before?

good question actually

[RobCapone]

but he said he was going to eat HIS cookie, my problem is I don't really think in a game where no screwy roles, mod would put in suicidal townie

[RobCapone]

ok
i believe you rob

unvote;
vote: hungryharold/drshottyizsick

you need to make up your mind that is atleast twice you have flipped flopped on me

[RobCapone]

yeah going to bed is shady

[RobCapone]

@zed. You don't get to be inactive and miss all discussions and than criticize who we used our action on, until you post regularly you have no position in this game. It was mentioned that our target was chosen, shotty was the one mentioned and nobody objected

Now if you fucking read you would see I suggested other names to furc but he chose shotty, I had no choice to go along because if I voted somebody else we stalemate and furc would be in here trying to throw me under the bus

Also Zed we only get name, if you were paying attention you would have known that. This is why I hate lurkers with a passion and if zed is alive at lylo she is costing the game, she has cost town game before


Yes I think we should lynch shotty at whoever asked, hungry harry sounds like scum to me

[RobCapone]

so if you eat your cookie, mafia can;t NK?

[RobCapone]

I originally said shotty was the only name suggested so I guess we should go with him
I later said if not shotty than darox because he was more suspicious and shotty is playing like shotty
furc says if I am town I should let him choose
I responded with basically I don't trust you
I than berated him for outing girls club because he has narrowed down the potential power roles
I than posted my 3 people and said "we should discuss"
and furc's next post was I sent in shotty and chose you to make the action

he didn't want to discuss he just sent in shotty

[RobCapone]

and by sending in shotty I really had no other choice but to comply.

my only reason was maybe not shotty is
1. do we even know who these people are suggesting him
2. what if shotty was mafia and they thought we were using our action on him, mafia would send somebody else
3. shotty really has played his typical town meta

[RobCapone]

so if you eat your cookie, mafia can;t NK?

no if i eat my cookie then i die and day continues, but it simulates a mislynch without a nk after it.

I want to believe this but I really don't.

[RobCapone]

if you are telling the truth how would that be beneficial to town?

p.edit - are you saying you are third party?

I do like that point about stealing not eating

[RobCapone]

furclow, why did you not want to discuss other options in the Qt last night, why did you just accept shotty?

as much as I hate your play furc, I like your points about elleran and don, it is very possible one if not both of them could be scum, I particularly didn't like how elleran just believed andrew's claim when most everyone else didn't, just seems weird that she was so sure he is telling the truth while the rest of us have doubt

[RobCapone]

Furc, answer my fucking question

[RobCapone]

At everyone

- what is scummy about me, besides the mod's terrible name for me.

Lurking and not scum hunting

[RobCapone]

what question

And you claim others are not paying attention?

Why did you offer no discussion about other possible targets in our QT?

Why did you just accept shotty?

[RobCapone]

Because I got a near-perfect score in English on my ACT?

And how does that matter when you type like shit in here

[RobCapone]

You didn't even mention who you sent it in On, you never gave me a name

I said I was AWAITING YOUR OPINIONS when I posted those 3 names

But your next post was you re-sent shotty

Why no discussion?

[RobCapone]

Dude go back and re-read

I said I was open to anything

I said I wanted to investigate you and you want to investigate me and THAT would be a stalemate

I said at least 2 times I was not 100% set on shotty

You said if I was town I would let you investigate whoever you wanted, but ifi think you are scum why would I let you control it

Plus you never even said who you wanted to investigate, I would have had to submit the same name for it to work, you realize that right?

If I stalemated you would be in here telling everyone and I'd be dead

[RobCapone]

if i submitted the name of the player i wanted to investigate, it would have let you in on who the person who can be killed to force me to lose my vote is

durrr

But mod even clarified in the QT we had to pick the SAME PERSON FOR IT TO WORK

DURRR you

I did not say I would not go along with a name you chose

[RobCapone]

Ever heard of asking?

[RobCapone]

Lol so true

[RobCapone]

You
Shotty
Andrew
Darox
Elleran
Don

[RobCapone]

You just clear VIs cause they are VIs?

Andrew and shorty are both scummy this game

[RobCapone]

[RobCapone]

No it's not

[RobCapone]

And if the daykill is fake, I suggest a darox lynch cause fake daykills suck

[RobCapone]

So daykill was fake

unvote,vote: darox

Scummy gambit is scummy

[RobCapone]

Yeah he basically called us all stupid

My pardon. I wasn't clear. I meant the part where drmyshottyizsik said he could fake whatever he wants. Not the modkill part. -mod

[RobCapone]

There may be no rule about day kill but there should be one about personal attacks

[RobCapone]

There is, I talked to mith about it, he said it is unacceptable, and we need to talk to the mod about his behavior, and if the mod doesn't take care of it, we should talk to the list mod about our mod.

U talking bout kill or insults

[RobCapone]

unvote, vote shotty

[RobCapone]

^ good point lewarcher

she also believes andrew's claim completely while others find his claim hard to believe.

[RobCapone]

IF ONE OF YOU IS GOING TO HAMMER SAY YOU ARE GOING TO HAMMER DON'T REALLY DO IT, THAT WAY I CAN SAVE TOWN FROM A NK.

I don't get how you suiciding saves a night kill

If you suicide 1 of 2 things probably happen

1. Day continues after your death
2. Night starts

I doubt

Night starts and mafia is unable to kill

If that is true seems win/win

We find out if you were telling the truth
Town loses a person not scum hunting
Nobody else dies
We get a new name to look at

[RobCapone]

I said if the 3rd one would be true it would be win/win

Option 1 & 2 would be bad

P. Edit

Umm shotty

It just means we lose a possible townie and we have to lynch somebody else with nobody having new info

This isn't good for town you dweeb

[RobCapone]

Night skipped for EVERYONE including girl club and any other investigative roles *bangs head on desk*

[RobCapone]

@MOD - activity will be less over the next few days

Understood. It's the holidays afterall. -mod

[RobCapone]

vote elleran

good case


also, zed always lurks

No it wasn't

Yes she does and she will cost us the game if left to lurk

[RobCapone]

lewarcher, you don't think mafia would try and draw attention to themselves in hopes that somebody like you says, "mafia wouldn't draw attention to themselves"

[RobCapone]

V/LA until Sunday

don't you actually have to be active to qualify for V/LA?

[RobCapone]

V/LA until after christmas

Noted. -mod

[RobCapone]

I do agree trying to suggest mass-claim this early is definitly scummy

unvote, vote: lewarcher

[RobCapone]

find the quote, and what i was quoting, because you're talking about something from pages ago

you can't remember all the lies you have spewed?

[RobCapone]

hey I don't mind, you are near the top of my scum list anyway so I sort of expected it at some point, it's becoming more obvious that you are just protecting furclow

[RobCapone]

furclow, you don't have to post walls of texts

I have scum hunted against Andrew and shotty, both of them who have been sketchy and unbelievable claims in my mind.

I stil stand by my believe that you outed us as Girlls club to earn pro-town cred and once I am dead you are trying to draw the doctor to protect you so you can kill somebody else without worrying about your kill attempt failed.

I think you kept me alive so you can make it further in the game and at this point you feel that mafia has a better chance at the win once you initiate 2 mislynches that you will gladly take one for the team and protect your other scum buddies

[RobCapone]

what you are doing is taking the most beneficial thing to town and destroying it from the inside, once I flip town also than what? town will lynch you and the girls club is over and there goes an important faction to the game

[RobCapone]

I am not sure what "town like" means but the only one who needs to pretend to post like town is scum

I post the way I do and I put my suspicions down, if that isn't "town like" well can't help that

I'm doing best with what I have to work with and right now Andrew, lemarble, and shotty are most scummy

You also so shotty is probably the truth so more likely you, Andrew, and lemarble

[RobCapone]

So has most of your posts

[RobCapone]

furc you jumped all over poison ivy for godfather speculation and now you are doing the same thing, what makes you able to do it but when she did it you pushed for her lynch?

hypocirite[/]

don't forget this -

honestly, guys, if poison ivy is not scum i offer myself up for lynch

You attempted to earn instant town cred by outing the girls club, but if you were town you don't need instant town cred. Also when I flip town, you will have the power of killing AND roleblocking which is what I think was your master plan all along.

[RobCapone]

Llamarble, are you sure you didn't get yourself confused with lewarcher? cause I have him on my scum list not you athough I can say I have confused the 2 of you this game already because I have avatars disabled on my phone.

Thanks for reminding me I have to read your ISO cause I forgot you were playing.

[RobCapone]

@Llamarble:

I am not pushing because I don't know how to. To me, the only evidence I have is the evidence that Furcolow provided--that there is a scum in the midst of the GC. Because I don't know the truthfulness of this evidence, I do not want to use it. I would prefer that one of the GC members be lynched today.

Also, Furcolow should be the one pushing for Rob lynch right now. He is the one who provided the evidence, yet he does not follow through with it. This is the point that I was pushing earlier in the day. How true is the evidence that Furcolow provided in your opinion, Llamarble?

after reading this post - I just can't help that elleran's seems like he is coaching furclow to vote me and trying to divide up the girls club.

unvote, vote elleran

[RobCapone]

1. furclow has voted for just about everyone, I think he is more concerend with just getting a lynch no matter who it is. he even voted for you elleran and now he is voting with you, horrible play
2. so I am being more productive and sensible so you are going to lynch me because of it, umm red flag here
3. This seems a bit WIFOM to me

Yes, I am defending Darox. Really, if I was a scum trying to protect a scumbuddy, would I really blatantly just say "I think Darox is town" without a good reason? I'd provide better reasoning than that.

[RobCapone]

1. furclow has voted for just about everyone, I think he is more concerend with just getting a lynch no matter who it is. he even voted for you elleran and now he is voting with you, horrible play
2. so I am being more productive and sensible so you are going to lynch me because of it, umm red flag here
3. This seems a bit WIFOM to me

Yes, I am defending Darox. Really, if I was a scum trying to protect a scumbuddy, would I really blatantly just say "I think Darox is town" without a good reason? I'd provide better reasoning than that.

1 and 2) I agree completely. I hate voting on you because of the 'evidence' Furcolow has provided. Like I said, you've been more productive and sensible than Furcolow has hands down. If Furcolow's evidence that one of you is scum is true, then I see you and Furcolow as a 50-50 scum-lynch.
3) It is WIFOM. I don't know how to put it forth anymore straightforward than this. Sorry.

@Rob: If there is a better candidate than you, then give me some evidence. I'm all ears.

PREVIEW EDIT: @Shotty: Read this post because it addresses many of your points.

here is your evidence. Self vote since you are caught.

1. you want to lynch the person who is more productive and sensible to helping town catch scum
2. you are using WIFOM to explain your defense of Darox
3. outright believing andrew's claim is yet another one I will throw in there, his claim is completely unbelievable to me yet you seemed to accept it without any serious reservations

[RobCapone]

You are awfully trusting person elleran, you realize people lie right?

[RobCapone]

He was getting pressure and quickly threatened to eat his cookie, he didn't even have many votes

Than we get back hungry Harold, who takes cookies? Hungry people

We don't know what scum names are yet and if he is scum, suicidal townie is an awesome fake claim given the game theme

[RobCapone]

Elleran, why did you tell furc he should be voting me and later act upset that he is "following" you

It seemed to me you were coaching furclow based on what I quoted at the top of this page

@ don - if you can read good, do you know why furc accused you of not reading?

@ furc - can you link me to the best game you ever played as scum and one where you were horrible please

[RobCapone]

Lewarcher has grounds to accuse shotty of not reading lol

Tbh I have no objection to a name clame

[RobCapone]

Lewarcher already suggested the name claim idea is what I was referring to

[RobCapone]

Silly shotty you are already voting him

[RobCapone]

More believable than suicidal townie

unvote, vote: shotty

The fact you won't even consider it is scummy

[RobCapone]

Itt shotty backtracks

[RobCapone]

Can you post reasons? You don't ever post reasons shotty

[RobCapone]

I agree about furc, but you have been scummy too

[RobCapone]

I will agree with that, the game you carried my ass you were very town

[RobCapone]

How are lewarcher, Andrew, and zed clear?

[RobCapone]

Zed has done nothing to help town

[RobCapone]

I don't disagree

unvote, vote furc

[RobCapone]

unvote, vote shotty

his claim is less believable than elleran and he was quick to not believe it, why are we giving him the benefit of doubt

[RobCapone]

Darox, do you believe Elleran or not and why?
Did you (or anybody else) expect Elleranscum to say something significantly different from what he said?
If not, then why jump off the wagon (addressed to Rob and Shotty and DJ)?

I am not going to lie, no I didn't expect elleran to claim JOAT, if it was a fake claim I was expecting cop or doctor, JOAT seems such an odd role that is hardly used in my limited games. Also the breadcrumbs he left were convincing for me.

I unvoted because I am not likely to vote a claimed power role when we have others like shotty - suicidal townie, andrew - multi live girl scount, and furclow - potential voteless townie

none of these make any damn sense and I never heard of 2 of them ever being used. Yes furc will argue that I am coming after the VIs, but their claims are horrendus and they aren't helping the town because they are not scum hunting.

I have been told many times, scum can't scum hunt and these 3 aren't scum hunting. Furc is atleast attempting but he is accusing everyone, so it devalues his efforts.

[RobCapone]

So you say

[RobCapone]

if you suicide at deadline and we hit deadline without a lynch, than it is a NL so if you are telling the truth our lynch of you happens one way or another so yeah I am fine with it actually.

[RobCapone]

I think you knew you were SOL if your name came out and you made up the whole suicidal townie thing, mafia could be Hungry Harold, Starving Steven, Famished Fred

who knows until we lynch mafia, right now your name is damning

[RobCapone]

and what are they doing with them? probably eating them

[RobCapone]

At first I was against a name claim cause I thought it may somehow reveal power roles, if we decided to name claim I would not object to it

The biggest thing that irked me was you were talking about name claims and nobody else was, you brought it up a few more times. Seemed like you were getting pushy or something

Also the battle back and forth between you and elleran I was thinking one of you were probably scum, given the claim I beleive elleran so that doesn't help your case. I'll have to go back and read your iso to determine if your scum hunting looked real or not.

[RobCapone]

Yes I think furc is scum in the gc

[RobCapone]

Furc all caps doesn't mean you are telling the truth

You have tried to tear apart the GC from the inside
I have already pointed out you asked to get us to work together and we start talking and you clam up
Night 1 I tried to discuss options of who to target and you didn't even throw out a single name, seems you are protecting your buddies
You try to vote just about everyone todY just to he a wagon going
You even accuse elleran and vote him, later you are siding with him
You try and attack people voting for shotty and Andrew as targeting VIs despite their anti-town playstyle

The 3 of you have sketchy claims, I don't beleive any of them, yours especially

Shotty acts like he knows for a fact mafia names aren't hungry type names but nobody else could possibly know that yet, It did pop in my mind that maybe hungry could be a SK but until we get 2 deaf people, I'll leave SK speculation out of it

You act like your play has been awesome but you haven't done shit

Also you attack ivy for GF speculation but than you start in on it like it's okay for some reason.

You also said that if ivy was not scum you would offer yourself up to be lynched, yet you haven't.

You chime in trying to throw me under the bus for not allowing you to have full control of the night action, and if you didn't trust me why did you tell the mod you wanted me to perform the action?

You are full of shit furc

unvote, vote furc

I am town if one in GC is scum it is you

[RobCapone]

To me I'm fine with shotty but it doesn't seem like it's going to happen and furc is acting like he is confirmed town, which he isn't

As long as idiots vote for elleran we aren't going to get a lynch with anyone

[RobCapone]

unvote, vote shotty

He is scum, so is furc, 3rd is probably don but idk

[RobCapone]

I'm done changing, we can deal with furc later

[RobCapone]

It comes down to

1. Do you beleive the breadcrumbs or not
2. Do you think mod would put this role into the game

Tbh I'd be more worried about the people voting you, even if you are lying you don't lynch a claimed PR when you have other suspects

[RobCapone]

I say we call shotty's bluff and go from there, worst that can happen is a NL

[RobCapone]

Lewarcher, if he is not bluffing and he suicides, what next?

[RobCapone]

You had me up until the cloak, is this cookies or Harry potter. Lol

Anyways that's either the most detailed lie I have ever heard OR your telling the truth. I'm leaning toward the truth still but that cloak is tripping me up, seems out of place. I'd beleive hood or vest more


P. Edit - you probably did, I am on my phone so I may have missed it

[RobCapone]

Well if shotty suicide is true, I'm voting furc

[RobCapone]

lew, I most likely won't be on in the next two days

so that means you should do it now so we can know if you are bluffing or not

[RobCapone]

Or I can wait it out until tonight to give the town the max amount of time to realize I'm not scum.

how can we realize anything when you have done nothing to help town scum hunt all game, you have been essentially worthless all game.

I don't care what your fucking meta is, the point of this game is to scum hunt and you aren't doing it. if you want town to realize you are town than you should have been trying to help us catch scum instead of laying low and not taking this game serious.

now eat your damn cookie already

[RobCapone]

Lol are you Mafia shotty?

[RobCapone]

Guys just vote shotty, clearly he is lying

[RobCapone]

why and how?
why wouldn't you let me prove myself?
ARE YOU MAFIA ROB!?!?

1. Rtt
2. We have been waiting but nothing happened, than you claim you read your pm wrong
3. No I'm not

[RobCapone]

We're waiting to see what's going to happen as soon as the mod comes back.

[RobCapone]

I definitely see a contradiction in those posts, but I am sticking to my guns here

Vote furclow

[RobCapone]

You think that was a detailed lie?

[RobCapone]

Sorry. Still posting from phone. Ell claim is full of holes and he reads as though he is making shit up as he goes along. Once I hav computer back I can shred him. But my votes not moving. I am shocked that anyone believes his bullshit.

your vote isn't on anyone cause they reset after shotty suicided.

[RobCapone]

I believe Elleran. I think his actions and explanations make sense. I don't think any of the attempts to poke holes in it have worked so far either, but I'll wait for d_j before I make that official.

I'd like to go into some more detail, but I have some work to get done before I go out tonight.

I believe this is the first you have mentioned DJ, what exactly does he have to do with your decision?

[RobCapone]

lew is still waiting for the names of the GCs

Keep waiting cause unless the entire town asks, I'm not claiming. And if the entire town asks, the entire town claims

[RobCapone]

It's not scummy name

Its quite cute actually

[RobCapone]

cute clara

[RobCapone]

yeah well I have had time to go back and re-read and there are holes in eleran's story and than on top of that she found me to be more helpful to town than furc but chose to vote me, this isn't behavior of somebody who is town.

her breadcrumbs were weak and she even contradicted herself like pointed out by lmarble

unvote, vote elleran

[RobCapone]

it would be nice if you actually tried to make a case on somebody don, I seem to missed where you have done anythig

[RobCapone]

While I was one pushing for andrew's lynch earlier, I need to re-read the past couple of pages. Been distracted getting the kids ready for school tomorrow.

Not liking the elleran/zed team up, if elleran is scum clearly zed will be in the hot seat also

Elleran just seems willing to vote anyone to get the wagon off her.

unvote

[RobCapone]

Well thanks for saving me reading time

vote andrew

And SK speculation still when it was thought shotty was SK?

Unless there are 2 kills you dont speculate SK setups

Lol sorry elleran, zed is a she

[RobCapone]

I don't like speculation unless we have something tangible

One game I was in scum speculated on cult and everyone got distracted and scum won

Let's stick to the facts, your claim is unbelievable

[RobCapone]

Lol talk about a mixed bag, as I think furc is scum, we need 1 night with all 3 neighbors

unvote, vote: Andrew

I totally beleive he outer his info about his role to earn town cred, cept he had nothing backing him up

A single entity that gets a no result when investigated sounds fishy to me

December 6th

[RobCapone]

I like that response zed, You stand by your convictions

[RobCapone]

Interesting move, Darox, I was thinking about it as well, and I may agree with your vote, later I will explain why and cast my vote.

Oh boy this doesn't fill me with warm happy vibes at all.

I totally agree with this, he better have a damn good explanation when he does post.

Darox - do you think we will learn more from a Zed lynch than we would from an Andrew lynch? if yes, Why do you think so?

[RobCapone]

@Rob: I know that the question is addressed to Darox, but I wish to speak my opinions on the question about Zed/Andrew lynch. I don't know whether you are asking Darox exclusively, so I'll remain silent until you allow me.

if you want to chime in i won't hold it against you

[RobCapone]

err elleran, the problem is that it will be mylo 2morrow if you lynch me.


and clarify that post furcolow

but you are probably lying, I know you andrew and you get lynched early in lots of games, I can see you totally making this up to get town cred. Your role doesn't even make sense, I never heard of a person with multiple lives before.

Also and on the off chance you are telling the truth and you don't die, there is no gurantee we will be at Mylo, you are making HUGE assumptions like you know what the night actions are going to be.

You are assuming we don't find a guilty person overnight.

when going through there are obvious scummy people. You, furclow, and Don are my top 3

I don't like this tactic by furclow telling people to lynch him, I feel this is yet another ploy to earn town cred because mafia would not volunteer themselves, seems a bit WIFOMish and because nobody is doing it, it is clearly working.

Don - my biggest issue with you is the same issue I have with people in every game, you are fucking lurking and I hate it, granted your activity has increased but you still aren't providing any arguments that have tangible information.

I will add Zed on the list too for lurking but at least she is standing by her reasons when she does provide them

Andrew is a good lynch people

[RobCapone]

Do you not trust me because I'm voting him or is my suspicion seprate from my vote

Just curious cause unless I missed it, this is the first you have called me out so I'd like to know why

[RobCapone]

@ elleran - I agree somewhat about zed, she lurks and I hate it, I questioned you because the way you said you agreed with darox, has nothing to do with you wanting to vote her.

Right now I'm sticking with my vote on Andrew, he isn't scum hunting probably because he can't.

[RobCapone]

also, i'm sending in investigation with me investigating rob
if he does not comply with this, and us finding out his name, i will treat it as a scum claim
i am not going to consult with him or anyone
this is what i am sending

I provided my name thank you, why don't you post yours

[RobCapone]

I gave him his turn to use our power, it is my turn
he flip flopped on reporting, and he pushed a ML on shotty

lie

I never flipped flopped anything, the game opened as I was going to bed, once I had time I posted my result, stop your lies.

[RobCapone]

willing to shift to elleran to ensure a lynch, but I want Rob to relent on letting me use the GC power tonight, as I am the one who is way more clear than he is as I risked my fucking neck to tell the town about us at all

you are not anymore clear than me and if you didn't risk your neck, you threw your neighbor under the bus for an attempt at town cred and it failed when she flipped town.

[RobCapone]

@lewarcher

I beleive we only prevent people from leaving, it never said anything about protecting them too so I'd say not we can't.

[RobCapone]

the reward > risk

Spoken like true scum

[RobCapone]

I posted, I ignored your question because I am not voting to lynch elleran I am voting to lynch Andrew. I hate lurkers and the fact we are so close to deadline and still no Zed, I could easily vote her but for now I am content with my vote on andrew.

The comment by Andrew saying the reward of lynching elleran is greater than the risk is another big fucking clue he is either scum for the worst town player in all of mafia and should consider quitting.

The GC can try and find out her name and see if she is telling the truth.

and Furc, why are you not telling people your name, lewarcher wanted both of us to tell our names and I told mine, where you at homie?

[RobCapone]

ok so reading back I am going out on a limb and saying if Elleran is actually scum the scum team is Elleran, Darox, and Zed

here is why

Zed has basically cast no suspicion Darox's way all game, even early on she said he felt he was town
Darox has been now trying to get Zed lynched, could be bussing if they are scum together
Elleran for confirming Darox as town

Zed could be scum because of the same things and she would of course know Darox was town and has been defending him.

interesting notes

1. her RVS was on Darox
2. Starts saying the Darox wagon was ridiculous

like I said I am sticking with my vote on Andrew but I could definitly see Zed as scum based on this information and her overall lurking which is anti-town behavior

[RobCapone]

I did not say that all 3 are scum, I just IF elleran is scum than I could see those 2 being scum but nice to try and spin my words to say that I said all 3 were scum cause that is not what I said.

[RobCapone]

because she is a claimed PR and her claim is believable but I have my doubts.

why not lynch someone who has no power and who isn't helping town catch scum

[RobCapone]

Being the first person on a wagon and pushing it from a standstill is bussing now?
Please try to get some perspective.

I'll make up some reasons for voting Zed when I can be bothered, probably after lunch.

bussing comes in many forms and I am going off the assumption that elleran is scum.

if elleran is town, than you are not bussing zed

problem is I don't know which person is scum yet

[RobCapone]

her power can help catch scum

you don't seem interested in doing that and your "power" can't do that

see the difference?

[RobCapone]

because she is a claimed PR and her claim is believable but I have my doubts.

why not lynch someone who has no power and who isn't helping town catch scum

I am a GUY, Rob. A GUY

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i think rob is the scum in the Gc.

this is why
1) the gc is for checking names of ppl. furclow said that if someone with a name dies, he becomes voteless. does rob have such a thing( did i miss it?) so it makes sense that furclow needs the names of people = town
2) quotes everything i say and puts it as scum light. it is as if your determined to turn everything i say into scum viewpoint
3) u think zed elleran and darox is scum but ur voting for me

Your number 2 is basically my argument vs. Llamarble.

Your 1) makes sense. In fact, it makes so much sense that I am willing to unvote and vote Rob.
UNVOTE: Andrew
VOTE: RobCaponeVOTE:

@Rob: How come Furc has a weakness but you seem to lack it? Can you explain this?

1. apologies, I keep forgetting you are a guy
2. how do you know furc is even telling the truth?
3. Assuming he is telling the truth, How do you know I do or don't have any such condition also?
4. Also like already mentioned, Poision ivy didn't have a power so you can't assume everyone in GC has one

I don't like the way you are now tunneling on me and now how you are trying to distance yourself from the Andrew and Zed wagons to start a fresh one a day away from deadline

FOS: Elleran

I'm off to work, be back on later tonight but definitly thinking about possibly changing my vote to elleran, this wagon avoidance is bugging me right now.

[RobCapone]

quick meeting break

That is a good point lewarcher, we can get Andrew tomorrow

unvote, vote zed

[RobCapone]

Well just want to relate I am Pretty sure furc is scum now

He didn't want to take my suggestions
He said he wanted to investigate me but I told him I already claimed my name and wasn't wasting an investigation to check and verify I'm telling the truth especially since furc wouldn't claim his name
He accused me of wanting to force a stalemate and he was going to investigate whoever he wanted
I said fine but tell me who cause we had to submit the same name
He never posts again so I don't know who to submit

Fuck you scum

vote: furc

[RobCapone]

Wait I'm confused

Is she confirmed scum or not?

[RobCapone]

He, he, I meant he

[RobCapone]

Shit, what was the bolded confirmed scum?

I'm voting furc

[RobCapone]

unvote

last thing I need is mafia bandwagon somebody while I am sleeping, I will wait for others to post but for right now Furc is on my shitlist because he fucked the GCs over last night.

I can't imagine how he is going to spin this one.

[RobCapone]

Furc's refusal to provide a name is definitely putting him on the scum list

We have to pick between llamar or elleran as scum, both claims are believable

Lol Andrew, how are you going to decide which PR is lying?

[RobCapone]

I am

Cute Clara

I am

Governor

I have the ability to give my cookie to somebody who has been lynched to save them, I must post in twilight for it to work.

and clearly you didn't read because furclow caused us to stalemate because he did not tell me who he submitted, we have to submit the same name

Andrew you are next

[RobCapone]

admission of non submittal
non compliant scum
i sent in an action, you didn't
ad hominem

vote: rob

wait, no

unvote;
vote: elleran

zed being lynched kept me from losing my vote, i misread my role pm.
if the mafia had killed zed, though, i would have lost my vote

1. you still miss the point that WE ARE SUPPOSED TO SEND IN THE SAME FUCKING NAME so if you don't tell me who to submit, we will stalemate
2. how was I non-compliant when you never told me who to send in?
3. I actually did send in a name, I sent in you to go check lewarcher but you sent in somebody else's name, if you would have told me who that was I could have done the same

Furc - did you post in the QT who you were going to send in an action on (AFTER I told you that I was not going to allow you to waste an investigation on somebody who had already claimed a name) ? yes or no

Llmarble - I don't die, I actually have an extra cookie that I can give, reading back I wasn't as clear in my post I should have said I give A cookie not MY cookie