Mini 1150 - There Goes the Neighborhood - Game Over

[Twistedspoon]

hey guys, nice to meet you all

VOTE: glass due to pokés

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And here I was going to

vote: Nobody Special

so I could have one with AV.

you don't know what you'r missing :3

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Vote:Seacore

i can see a long RVS

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he may choose to vote with the scum in order to save himself and win but if that's the case, we can easily vig him.

can we?

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Vote: TwistedSpork[/b]

ha! no such player exists

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you don't really need to unvote do you :/

and I'm watching krypten, but not feeling strongly enough about his case to vote yet

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Meh. I don't see the scumminess of kryptinen. I actually understand where she's coming from, and I applaud the effort to get town discussing. This day is starting off slowly!

Anyway, my day 1 philosophy is to get a bandwagon going until we really have some heated discussion (or the person has a scum tell), so I'll move my vote over to keep the steam going.

unvote, vote: kryptinen

what the-

well it looks to me like you cool with a kryptinen lynch since you voted fro him
yet have this excuse that you don't think he's town so you can keep your hands clean should he flip town

and then you hide behind this 'legitimate philosopy' wall

My 'legitimate philosophy' is to vote those I find scummy.
VOTE: Jedo

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you seem quite eager for me to unvote you
but It seems true enough that I have to unvote in this game

UNVOTE: Glass
VOTE: Jedo

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I didn't say I would ride this to a lynch, but if I do and she turns out scummy, I can look straight at you for the next suspect.

you seem rather touchy over one vote

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VOTE: NS

his reasoning on DB is really weak. Awfully weak. So many flaws

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Pressure VOTE: Nobody Special for now.

It's hardly an effective pressure vote if you're actually saying it's for pressure

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are you still happy with your Kryp vote, AV?

if so what do you think of the other 2 wagons?

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I'm down for a NS lynch

@Nacho: as town survivor, what is you view on these 3 wagons?

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actually, my vote is for your reasoning for your DB vote

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hey happy birthday glass

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I thought Spoon was your scum candidate if krypt was scum? So, when the vote support disappears, that suggests that she's town, right?

:'(

I'm a he

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hmm

My vote is on NS right now, but I did previously vote Jedo
Nacho has reminded me that Jedo is a safer bet than NS for scum. I don't really mind which is lynched, but there certainly seems a better case for Jedo now, what with all that wifom and paranoia

VOTE: Jedo

L-2 yes?

I was saying that as a survivor, you wouldn't care if town or the scumteam won so near endgame, it would make sense for you to quicklynch with scum in order to survive and win.

This is true. Is there a way a survivor won't lose? Town won't kill him as he isn't mafia yet mafia won't kill him as he isn't town :/

for what it's worth I'll say that i have more town reads than scum reads, but that's to be expected i guess

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V/LA until Saturday/sunday

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set's in this. Oh boy I'm dead :/

vote: Jedo

That's L-1

Town

Packbat
Krypt
DoomBunny
Glass

Scum

Jedo
Seacore
NS
TS

why glass as town? You didn't even mention her :/

Scum vibes from TS' post 104. He asks AV if he's happy with his Kryp vote and what he thinks of the other 2 wagons when I definitely can't tell you what TS thinks of anyone except maybe NS.

not true

My 'legitimate philosophy' is to vote those I find scummy.
VOTE: Jedo

and

and I'm watching krypten, but not feeling strongly enough about his case to vote yet

are just a couple of examples

If you want more of my reads I can say that my top town are DB, Packbat and AV

catching up this page now

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PR, please provide us with your two top scum reads and two reasons for each. Because that was not a good reason. You'll have my vote until you contribute.

Vote: Power

. Twistedspoon, the same without a vote.

@krypt:

Nobody Special

In ISO 3 and 4, he's doing a pretty huge overreaction deal about that he didn't announce that his vote in ISO 2 put Krypt a L-1

Twistedspoon

His behavior seems a bit to... how should I say it... random in order to be town behavior.

2 reasons for each, PR
you only gave 1 for me, so i can only assume that you don't have many scumreads

anyways mine are

Jedo and NS
reasons to come when i get off of this infernal machine, on to my original computer ¬_¬

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so yeah, NS due to his awful reasoning for voting DB, his covert L-1'ing and I have another reason too, but that's secret

Jedo due to forced bandwagoning, and

Oh yeah. I don't want to start the unraveling of a perfectly decent wagon.

whilst we're at it my 3 main town reads are Glass, Packbat and AV and 2 null reads of mine are Quo and Seascore

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welcome Wickedestjr

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@Twistedspoon & Packbat - Why no comment on Nacho's claim?

to be fair, it was old news to me

I knew about it because Nacho told me he was a survivor in our neighbour QT

I cannot speak for packbat though :/

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he asked myself and packbat a question

I answered my part

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Glass, before you go, can you answer my question about Nacho - did he claim Survivor to you in your QT too?

as in as he did so in mine :/

yeah, I knew he was a survivor beforehand, nit that it makes much difference since he claimed in his first post anyways

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@TS what good does a "secret" reason do? If it's such a secret why are you telling us you have one? If you have caught something scummy, please share with the rest of us. Just tangling it in front of our noses does not make it look like you have something new to say when you don't

nevermind

ignore it i was in an odd mood at the time. I gave 2 reasons and that satisfies the question

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I asked you for 2 reasons like the original question wanted

sure, I stupidly held something back, but I still gave 2 other reasons to satisfy the question

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lol, you included the mod

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@Twistedspoon: Do you or do you not have a third reason? If you do, please share, if you don't, why did you say you do? Because it looks like you want to make us think you have something original and you're not riding on everyone else's findings.

ignore it

Pretend I never said it

I have no 3rd reason and If anything my other 2 reasons are weakened due to the improvements in that players play
I suspect ox now

My top town read is still AV

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I'm confused. If you regret holding something back, why are you still holding it back?

I'm not

I just made something up to try and provide wifom for the scum or something like that, but it turns out it's just town wifom

Ignore it, I had no 3rd reason

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@Nacho: what makes your survivor role so hard? If we believe your claim, neither side will want to kill you

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I'm willing to hammer, AV

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i'll believe his claim for now

f he really is a watcher, mafia will probably kill him anyways :/

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He was actually suspicious of krypt (in a hesitant way) before voting me!

i was never hesitant on krypt

that is a lie

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I wasn't going to vote krypt. I wasn't convinced by the case; no hesitation there.
The watching thing is just saying that if The case becomes better and I begin to see krypt as scum then I'll vote, but at that time there was no hesitation that I preferred my vote where it was on Jedo for trying to validate baseless wagoning

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so I was

anyway my point was that at the time i didn't feel strongly enough about the krypt wagon and so I never voted her.

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Twistedspoon, I'm making this really easy for you:

1) Why did you not tell these reasons in the first place?
2) Why did you say you had them if you were not going to share them?
3) What did you expect to accomplish by not telling the reason?

what reasons? If we're still talking about my extra one i had for my vote on NS you can ignore it. I don't know why i posted that. I was in an annoyed mood from one of my other games.

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which player was steve donaldson?

who's missing?

Sorry, flip has been modified to include this information. Thanks TS!

also, what's a postition mover? A bus driver?

@Nacho: thanks for not posting in our QT

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anyone think the wickedjestr ISO will help point to scum?

mabye that post where he made his reads too?

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also, what was PowerOx's watcher result?

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And in the future, please don't call me PowerOx

okays :s

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so the players nearer the top of the list would have more of a reason to kill him, correct?

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I like AV :/

For wicked kill, its just speculation at this point, but I would guess it was NS playing to his town meta and he was obviously town due to early game play either way, then Wicked looked town.

or maybe because of his reads?
Scum can't let anyone live who suspects them. townie looking players come second-place to them

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Yes - particularly if they aren't suspected by others. Glass/LlamaFluff is probably the first person we should look at from an NK-analysis perspective, although by my logic Packbat would also be worth investigating.

so what're we going to do about it :0

I'm cool with investigating Glass

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no

and didn't you say i was obvtown yesterday?

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I think Llama is mafioso and killed wicked

my gut, wicked and your backpeddaling tell me so

VOTE: Llama

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and didn't you say i was obvtown yesterday?

Im allowed to change reads when more information comes out.

the new info being wicked was town?

that doesn't even incriminate me. He had me as his 2nd highest town read

why would a wicked town flip even make me appear scum? That's hardly sufficient evidence for a full U-turn

VOTE: Llama Fluff

methinks you're mafia. AV and I were discussing the possibility last night
AV says 'Even if he has a town read on you it doesn't mean he's not scum'
et al.

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If anyone has visited Set, please claim now.

also, what was PowerOx's watcher result?

Setael, nothing

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2) Twistedspoon and kryptinen are both being prodded.

D:

In b4 the prod

@Nacho: why'd you not post in our neighbour QT? :0

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also, I think Oxy boy should be given the benefit of the doubt today (again D: )

Methinks stronger evidence might be needed that his memory fatigue

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I'm swish with a seacore lynch
had a small gut read of mafioso since he self voted first post
VOTE: Secore

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I read set as town

just thought I'd say :/

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does the speed of a wagon indicate alignment in any way?

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1. Can you make a case on why you think Sea is scummy other than "He voted himself and I wanted to jump on a bandwagon to pull off a mislynch herp derp"?
2. Why do you think Set is town?

1) not easily. No. Gut maybe
2) I've played with set before. Set played similarly

@TS - Why did you vote JJ yesterday? Why not today?

wicked convinced me not to. He had a very strong town read on JJ

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Basically, the wagon hit L-2 FAST and with almost no resistance, and it came out of nowhere. That's... a bad sign.

that could be what the scum want you to think

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no

I'm just saying that i wouldn't dismiss any wagon because of speed

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Is this your only reason for thinking your read on Jedo was wrong? The fact that Wicked thought Jedo was town? What makes you think Wicked's reads were accurate just because he flipped town?

Who do you think is scum, TS?

no, but wicked's reads are probably better than mine, or the scum wouldn't have killed him

who do i think is scum? I'm not sure. Seascore seems to be playing as I would as scum though

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GOOD VOTES:
Set - OYEA she's the competing wagon I wonder why she's voting Seacore?

BAD VOTES:
Everyone else.

good to know we're only up against one scum :/

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GOOD VOTES:
Set - OYEA she's the competing wagon I wonder why she's voting Seacore?

BAD VOTES:
Everyone else.

good to know we're only up against one scum :/

What?

well who are the others then?

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didn't powerox track set?
...
If set flips scum does that make powerox scummier or more townie?

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don'tcha think if there were a vig we'd have had more than one N1 kill

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After all the kerfuffle with PR claiming his role in bits and pieces, Set not indicating the scope in his claim straight away = scumfakeclaiming

actually, I think scum are more likely to provide scope to make their fakeclaim more believable. They like to put flashing lights around their claim imo. bits and pieces isn't that much of a scum tell for me

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because you want to talk them out of hammering you, and not have to reveal yourself as a PR i guess

I don't know

I won't object to a hammer I guess. sorry set

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yeah, I guess you're waiting for a hammer now that the claim has been discussed

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nacho I don't find scummy. Cant help feeling he's hiding something though
AV I have a town read on solely from out QT.
Powerox is suspicious. I don't believe his claim, but that depends on the set flip.
DB seems town. Strongish town read there
Krypt is fairly null. As is llama
Packbat and Greyice are wildcards. probably one scum there
and my gut still likes a seascore lynch but whatever

I shall say that set's play has been different to the last one I played with set where she was town. Seems less... genuine.
For that reason I won't be objecting too strongly to a set lynch

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Why does the set flip tell you anything about PR?

because PR tracked set, yes?

or so he claimed to have

the other 2 i don't know. I'm not great at guessing scum

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/replace out

sorry, I can't keep up i guess

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Hey guys

credit to Feysal for taking up my mantle

I really enjoyed reading the QTs after I replaced out since I felt that I shouldn't be

bad AV. I trusted you until the very end

I also like that TS' slot stayed with the same neighbours the whole game through >:)

I'm just that awesome