TM2012: Mafia in the Back Room (Game Over!)

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Vote anxiety

I feel like we are already massively behind just because of the 24h+ difference in game start times.

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That's not a vote for anxiety, Kison . And LLD too. What has the thread come to?

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How often have you lurked out of games historically CC?

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Do you not read much MD, LLD?

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I support your message but not your choice of wagon. Why did you choose me over the other options?

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Ignore everything Anxiety said, instead comment on chesskids entrance to the game.

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Oh.
Kats says to ask chamber why he's playing in a Vi game.
So yeah.

Everyone in our team wanted to play in the normals/open; CES put the team together and had called White flag; I didn't want to play in Zors game becuase of a past bad experience playing under him. Given those points I said that I'd play in this game if we got it in the draft, if we had gotten scummies I would have been in the closed normal. Don't know if I dodged a bullet or not given that games player list and this ones mechanics.

I support your message but not your choice of wagon. Why did you choose me over the other options?

Why not you?

Nuwen already had 2 votes at the time you placed yours. I was pretty effective at figuring out your scum team the last time we played together.

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Nuwen already had 2 votes at the time you placed yours. I was pretty effective at figuring out your scum team the last time we played together.

Oh, so she did. Why is the biggest bandwagon the best for RVS bandwagonning to victory?

And you're implying what, that because you got a couple of my scumbuddies, but not me, that omgomgomg totally gonna quicklynch that fool with the L-5 vote aww yea baby?

My memory of the scum QT (which could be biased in my favour) is that you were quite scared of me and damning having to veto so many lynches. That may not be reason to try to get me dead as fast as you can as scum, but it is a reason to not want me dead if you are town.

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You're a good player when you're town, yup. I need a read on you early.

CES says to tell you that I'm obv town already. I'd trust his read if I were you.

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Way too cheeky to come from scum me anyway.

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So I took a walk, and I started thinking about stuff.

I have a question for you Yos. What are your opinions on a Domain claim? You said you have experience in designing this game system, so I'm asking you specifically.

(Actually, I'd like to have everyone's opinion on the matter, but Yos has claimed to have a greater insight so...)

I have strong reservations about such a claim. The theme of the game leads to a relatively narrow pool of players, given its size I think names can probably be predicted with quite a bit of accuracy from the 2 domains they have.

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Is there a reason you hate the quote buttons spyre .

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unvote

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Was worried it was l-1 when I unvoted. With parama around I think I'll keept it at L-3 anyway, but I'm still with you guys in spirit.

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sort've

Really?

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Hey parama, did kats get back to you about my responce re:being in a vi game?

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4nxi3ty’s 23 is a brutally scummy post.

Oh yeah, everything he says sounds like scum; it’s pretty brutal.

Really now.

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No, Nuwen, I don't think 4nx is town, and if you'd put your litracy pants on instead, you'd see that the only reason I'm not voting him is because Parama threatened to hammer him.

This goes for me too. I still suspect him but I'd rather not end the day yet (or even relatively soon).

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Kats asks: Why do you care about this?

Because asking for internal QT discussion keeps QTs of scum members honest. They at least have to fake group scum hunting, I feel thats harder to do than to fake individual scum hunting.

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Or people with rather sick abilities, that might take a lot of juice to power up, that might take rather a while to power up on your own/with other random worships?

This implies you can carry charges forward? Who else was under the impression you could carry charges forward? Vi, can you carry charges forward?

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scumpoints for LLD

Vote: Chesskid

You don't think misunderstanding the setup is a town tell?

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Kison, when did you switch to stealth/invisible mode?

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assume you're asking because you noticed I had it off in April, based on that PM you sent me asking if I was online. I turned invisibility on shortly after that.

I'm not sure when I became cognizant of the fact that you were visible, before your name went red for sure. I know when I realized it was off, today when I saw your name in italics. Why did you turn invisibility on?

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I'm not willing to take part in a domain claim atm. I think your assumption that domains will be evenly divided at all is potentially flawed, but assuming even division within each subset of alignments borders on absurd. I do think a domain claim is likely to break the game for either town or mafia, but I haven't the slightest idea which and that scares be a great deal.

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Well, I talked to my team mates between then and now. But that wasn't my sole reservation at the time, just the largest. I didn't say over all balance was absurd, I'm not sure I expect to it be even but relative balance there seems reasonable. Interfaction balance does seem absurd. It may make the game more swingy, but giving the scum exactly 1 of 6 distinct domains makes the game broken.

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I meant one of each 6. I think the game would be broken by a mass claim if the scum had exactly one of each 6, I don't think thats hard to miss, so I don't think Vi would miss it, therefor I expect a mass claim to not be useful if thats the only reason you have.

Why can't you plan without a domain claim?

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Vote nuwen

shrug.

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4nxi3ty+Nuwen+Kison

I approve of this list. Sadly, I can't confirm your meta for you, which isn't to say it is untrue, its just not a point I find noteworthy so don't keep a mental catalog of.

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Chamber, answer honestly: do you really think a scumwen would opt NOT to bus Anxiety in that partner matrix, given half an opportunity? Why isn't Scumwen wagoning Chesskid instead if she's looking for an alternate lynch?

^backwards line of reasoning.

LLD, glork wants me to say that you not getting in -that- many 1v1s is bullshit, and I have to agree. The only other time I've played with you (that I remember) you got in a town-town 1v1. How often in your experience do you find yourself in 1v1s with scum(as a % of total 1v1s)?

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Attributing negative motivation to scum gets you nowhere because its always balanced by the desire to look town.

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Glork only wanted me to call bullshit on that, it was me asking for the %. 1v1ing with town is incredibly damaging, in the other game I mentioned I was very happy to see it happening(as scum). If you don't know the % what makes you think its good play?

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DDD, I expected him to have at least a leaning town read on me at this point since he has seen me play before.

Me, Kuribo, and (briefly) Captain Corporal were all in the same game with you, admitedly you were mafia, but that you'd mention DDD and not us seems odd to me.

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Hey parama, did kats get back to you about my responce re:being in a vi game?

Kats asks: Why do you care about this?

Still want to hear his thoughts on this.

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Post 251 Someone help me udnerstand that CC vote.

I resent the fact that my ghost vote continues to be ignored.

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Unvote Vote LLD

Post 252 has sold me.

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You noticed it too soon.

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Then you didn't look hard enough.

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You'll just hammer her at L-1 anyway so I don't know why I'd waste my time~.

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You noticed it too soon.

Did it occur to you that I might have been online at the time? (Hint: I was)

I want you to explain how the timing of my question makes any reflection of my alignment.

His vote there wasn't at all interesting at the time it happened from a town perspective, it may have seemed odd, but it would take scum eyes or a psychic to notice the importance of it prematurely.

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Also Yos, I don't think that makes Nuwen town. She has 1v1'd me, so her need for self protection isn't necessary. I think scum!Nuwen would be smart enough to spend more time looking town then defending herself.

And defending the second leading wagon to herself in favor of her 1v1 target is something scum would try in order to garner town reads. 100%.

Yeah, I agree with parama; that's pretty much BS. Scum's goal is to not get lynched; and especially, as Spyrex pointed out, to not get lynched on day 1 in this kind of setup where everyone has extra powers. There's no reason Nuwen-scum would put herself in this situation in the first place by declaring a 1v1 like that. And if she did, there's no reason she wouldn't keep her options open; it's not like "1v1" is some kind of magic spell that's going to stop the town from lynching anxiety instead.

Basically every one of Nuwen's plays here seems to totally ignore any kind of self preservation at all. As you yourself pointed out, she could easily have avoided this conflict with you all together by just answering your question, instead locking horns with you in a CAGE DEATH MATCH for no reason. I will say that she tends to be aggressive irrespective of alignment, but this is just beyond belief.

If you're interested, my team-mate mastermind of sin agrees with me that you and Nuwen are just both derailing this game for no reason. (He actually used, um, stronger language then that, but you get the idea, lol.)

Eeeeh, pre-fate/NC scum!nuwen may not have made this play, but I can totally see Fate or Reck playing like this as scum and they have clearly had a strong influence on how she plays just by the fact that she declaired a 1v1 at all.

SpyreX:

While I remember, please use the fucking quote button <3. Cheers.

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This isn't true. If anything, Fate et all have a style of mafia play diametrically opposite of mine. I'm a big fan of simple motivation hunting and I follow vote counts around very, very carefully. I tend not to trust inter-game playermeta reads, with a few exceptions. They're really inaccurate and misleading if used as a starting point for a game, which people do now.

The method by which you obtain your reads may differ, but the way you have been interacting with the game has been very similar to fate/reck style, and nothing like you were the way I saw you play back when.

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How many times have you read the thread yos?

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That doesn't answer my question?

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Doing Mother's Day things etc.

Chamber, GreyICE wants me to relay his questions to you. Basically, he wants to know what you mean by "LLD noticed it too soon lol". I'm giving you the censored version.

Also, he says Nuwen is fake raging like she did in "Fate's Mafia" (I assume he means Destiny Mafia). He says that if she was town, she would give credence to the possibility that I could be town, and that she's trying to garner a town read on herself with this and/or get ignored.

I'm not sure I agree with the first half, since I know a lot of townies (Grey in particular at times, myself a lot) will gain tunnel vision. However, I agree completely with the second half of his assessment.

I don't know if this is all directed at me or just the first part. I mean what I said, you noticed it too soon. I don't take kindly to being quote doctored even in such an obvious way, please refrain from adding 'lol' or such to the end of statements made by me, even if you think they are dumb. If you want me to drop my vote for you then you can explain why you asked him about the vote. As for the rest of the post, I think I already implicitly excepted that as an option when I compared her to fate/reck scum.

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Next, I think he wants the reason WHY noticing it early is scummy.

So you agree that there was something to notice early then? Perfect.

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CC, do you have a list of games you've replaced out of and a list of games you've finished?

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Huh, this is a very strange experence. It's a playerlist without any obvious policy lynches.

Vote:Captain Corporal

Why CC here?

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Uh, are you asking me for reasoning behind my 1st post random vote? That's kind of a weird question. I didn't have any real reason; might have been because I didn't know CC and hadn't played with him before?

CC is the closest thing to a policy lynch in this game, I found it at least a little curious that you still voted him after claiming there were no obvious policy lynches. While we are on the topic of that post, I also found it odd in review that you made the concept of no obvious policy lynchs seem to novel when there were also no obvious policy lynchs in oldy mafia.

KURBIO:

CTD says you replaced him in a game (tv upick) where scum faked a miller claim day1, CTD attacked the claim, and then he coasted to end game anyway on it. Any thoughts on that? Did you have any thoughts of trying it yourself after seeing it, for instance?

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LLD you should admit some sort of connection with anxiety, it would make my life easier.

Unvote Vote kuribo

(See, I can get your name right when it counts)

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What wagon am I avoiding?

I don't really think anxiety is scum anymore, I still see a connection between LLD and him, but if hes not scum that means the connection isn't them being mafia together.

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by all means, chamber, show us which of 4nx's shitty posts just screams town to you

That would be a silly way to find town.

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chamber, why are your votes terrible through and through?

What do you think of Kison?

Making 'good' votes is too easy.

If anxiety is scum, then kison is scum with him. Outside of that I'm not sure what I think and have found it odd that you are pushing kison before anxiety.

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Shrug, I've resolved my issues with her (for now), and don't find your points to be at all compelling. You should strongly consider voting for koribo though.

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Shrug, I've resolved my issues with her (for now), and don't find your points to be at all compelling. You should strongly consider voting for koribo though.

Okay, I'll play along, because I hate this playstyle.

Why should I vote kuribo?

I don't follow your line of reasoning. (and you shouldn't)

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We need less wagons, not more. Deadline is in one week. Why, Chamber?

One week left until deadline isn't a reason to be compromising to shitty wagons, stop fear mongering.

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Regardless of where I was moving my vote it wasn't staying where it was, so that's not a strong argument either.

Reread curibos iso.

I do try to leave a trail for people to follow when accusing others generally but this one kind of sprung out of nowhere thanks to CTD so you guys will have to make due.

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Parama, has quilford said anything about me in your QT?

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No.

Suspicious.

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Chamber, why do you think we should lynch Kubrio?

CTD's case is pretty compelling? You'll just have to trust me on this one.

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and fourth of all, I wouldn't bother claiming miller as scum (especially when the stakes are this high) because it's a death sentence and I actually do pride myself on not getting mislynched

For instance, here he goes from saying 'claiming miller as scum' to saying 'not getting mislynched'.

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No.

Suspicious.

Dodging the rest of my post.

Yeah, but you didn't expect me to answer the rest of that post did you? Quilford having no comment about my play is still odd to me. The last time I was scum he replaced in and tried to get me lynched but I got him lynched instead and I know he still holds a grudge over it.

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Nah, his case is in the qt, hence 'You'll just have to trust me'.

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ITT: Isa make another ITT joke instead of providing content.

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You are still addressing me like I'm town in that post despite claiming otherwise?

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See how much you fucking trust CTD's abject bullshit when Team Mafia 2012 is fucking riding on it. Because guess what, hotshot? Scummies game lynched scum Day fucking one, which puts the town there ahead in the tiebreaker game.

Only makes sense if I'm town?

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No, me trusting it still requires I'm town. If I'm scum there is nothing to trust. I also need to be town to be worried that you may be a mislynch, putting us behind scummies.

You didn't explain the inconsistency in the one point from CTDs case that I did bring up btw, hes bugging me to get you to answer for it.

On an unrealted note, I really want LLD and anxiety to be me and Kison even though I know the chance of that being the case is extremely low (due to it including me). It would be so funny.

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and fourth of all, I wouldn't bother claiming miller as scum (especially when the stakes are this high) because it's a death sentence and I actually do pride myself on not getting mislynched

For instance, here he goes from saying 'claiming miller as scum' to saying 'not getting mislynched'.

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You seem to be missing the fact that the issue is the use of your word 'mislynched' in a hypothetical where you are scum. If you are town there is no reason you couldn't hold that hypothetical together for the whole thought. On the other hand if you are mafia, you have to do the hypothetical on top of the lie that you are town, making it more likely for you to make such a slip (for instance as mafia you'd generally want to use the lie 'mislynch' even though it was wrong to here). As mafia its also more likely that you'd have edited the sentence to correct something changing the structure part way through.

SpyreX:

I agree that if anxiety is scum then caribou is likely town, but I really don't think anxiety is scum here. Frankly he was much more obvious the last time I saw him as scum, and I don't like the behavior of the wagon at all.

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That I remember off the top of my head? No.

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Where exactly did I make an assumption that required specific knowledge of your mafia play? I geuss I assumed that as mafia you try to appear town, are you saying thats a bad assumption???

I don't need towncred.

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I paraphrased one of the points I found most compelling after saying that, I can't resist being an ass though, its in my mafia blood.

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Chamber, why can LLD ONLY be scum in a matrix with Anxiety?

I never said that. I personally just have no reason to suspect her outside of the connection I see between the two.

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high priest of meme

So much disapointment. I don't get to laugh at coincidences.

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You have two different casts that are vig shots AND both are conditional?

Without considering roles from metmafia (because I haven't read any aside from me), What seems unlikely about that role? Me and CES both think 2 limited vig shots seems like good design.

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And my abilities are completely unrelated to each other at each teir. I don't think you can draw such comparisons and expect consistency across everyones role. The nature of the limitation could simply be less, vig is inherently powerful.

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Depends on the limitations and thresholds of the respective vigs. Though honestly I haven't been taking nuwens claim seriously. I have this 'fate light' mentality with regards to her thats hard for me to shake. For instance CES wants me to actually take the LLDvsNuwen 1v1 seriously but.. nope. I think its highly unlikely that town could get 2 vig shots in the same night, as another way to answer your question.

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His thought is that I should sheep you. Its not happening though.

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There's something interesting in chamber's 476 but this is just a reminder to discuss it after 4nxi3ty flips scum.

Do you typically make comments like this DDD?

When did he first say it? I'd have to check. He just said it to me again like 45 minutes ago though so its still relevant, said it maybe 3 times total, its been at least a few days.

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You should allow CES to convince you. It's not like your vote is doing much on the Kuribo slot right meow. You have 5 days to talk out your doubts with him.

He doesn't have a scum read on LLD, he just see value in sheeping serious nuwen who feels so strongly about something. And I don't really think hes wrong up to that point. On the other hand I don't see serious nuwen here, I see Fate, thats the inherent disconnect. Nothing he says is going to change that, so talking it out has little value.

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K, so still pretty sure anxiety is town even after he didn't claim

neighbours

masons with LLD. Still sad about the missed joke Vi couldn't have known she wasn't making.

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Fucking selected quote.

Reverse engineering bbcode is hard stuff.

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So, hows about this: You show me 4nx town. Instead of going case case waa waa show me how that slot is town. Go for it.

You were in artemis fowl, compare and contrast.

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Ohhhh meta

But I do remember wanting him dead immediately on replacing in.

So?

If thats the extent to which you consider meta it makes sense that you under value it so much. Thats not my only reason for disliking this wagon though. No one on it looks like they are trying.

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I dont look like I'm trying?

I was rushed when writting that so was likely a little unclear. You guys don't look like you are considering the rest of the game at all to me. Especially kuribo yos and DDD. You all seem aggrovated enough that anxiety isn't dead but thats not very interesting.

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Kuribo is waaay more likely town than scum though. 100% on a 4nx scum flip.

I'll make an effort to reconsider my kuribob read, but you need to do the same for Anxiety.

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Boring questions are ignored.

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Boring questions are ignored.

Okay, you're not living past night 2. Problem?

Frankly I'd be surprised if I made it to day 3 without getting shot by the mafia anyway?

I fucking hate all of you by the way.

Unvote Vote LLD

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I really want to start a flash Isa wagon here, but am having flashbacks to pyp.

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but am having flashbacks to pyp.

Means that I'm not ready to yet.

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No, I mean a recent pyp run in the open queue, where we flash wagoned Isa's slot (he had replaced out at that point) manly for things he had done, and he was town.

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It reads like I mislynched him under similar cirumstances before and want to double check things before going ahead with it again.


The issue wouldn't be yours LLD, it would be mine. I want to make sure I'm not falling into the same trap, but one sec let me link it.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=21383

P.S. Crash ate stuff, its cached, wish you the best of luck.
P. P. S. use this link for the cache http://www.mafiascum.net/cache/Open_374_PYP_Redux.rar

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Guys, raise of hands, who here didn't know thats how yos felt about the 1v1?

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I did say she was Fate light right? Or did you mean our QTs?

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I do my best to ignore uninteresting things, and I don't find it remotely interesting. HypoTown ignoring the the opinion of their scum reads isn't really new or inovative, nor is it particularly wrong. If you looked closely you'd realize that most of this game is ignoring most of this game though, so nothing interesting their either.

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No, but I'm still not really taking nuwens claim seriously.

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Does going into a 1v1 D1 when you're a vig make a lick of sense to you?

Good post.

Nuwen has had enough time to back down from her claim at this point that if it was just a gambit, she could have said so by now. Either she's telling the truth, or she's backed into a corner by the three other vig claims and can't renounce it.

Bad post.


I can't believe you guys won't let me lynch him :*(. And I'm like the only person in this game that isn't a vig, you should have sympathy.

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I mean he's saying the same thing I am.

The comparison would have been meaningless if you were saying different things?

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How is one good and one bad if they're the same?

Yours was insightful and showed the mind of someone who is looking for scum, his was more or less stating objective facts.

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Which part are you referring to? Yos has been saying he thinks it's a town vs town standoff for a while now.

That was my point. Anyone paying even a small amount of attention should have already known what he thought on the issue, so he had no reason to make the post he made. If it weren't for me and CES's policy not d1 lynch on yos, I'd be giving that direction way more attention.

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Feel free to point out any obvious points I make that aren't directly prompted by questions. I do my best to not make any.

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Also you realize lynching scum D1 is some sort of important thing
don't remember why though but it's sort of important

Because this is one of those games where mega town power is balanced by mega scum power; in games like that, if scum lose one of their members early (and thus some of their night power), it tilts the balance towards the town pretty significantly.

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You guys are sure that we can't lynch kabuki?

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CES encourages you to keep your vote where it is.

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even just for information.

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CES, is chamber scum?
Also, why should I keep my vote where it is if nobody else wants to lynch Tar today?

Everyone on my team is town.

I thought you were voting LLD. Scratch my previous comment. He says you should vote LLD.

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Chamber, that's enough time to think. How do you feel about an Isa wagon?

If I had decided for it I'd have moved my vote, no?

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I would support lots of wagons outside of you 2. I think anxiety is townish and have you as nullish. Whether they would actually be viable is something else all together.

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On the other hand Quilford is insisting LLD is scum

When did he start reading the game?

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Er, nvm. You want Kuribo dead.

No, he's town :/

How do you feel about a DDD lynch?

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Unvote
Vote: 4nx

Please no?

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Unvote vote kuribo

If I'm going to have dreams about anxiety not being lynched when I come back to the thread, I may aswell dream big.

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unvote, vote Spyrex

What do you think about chesskid in light of the LLD flip nuwen?

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And I'm still not going to give them?

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Vote chesskid

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Hey DDD, what was interesting about my post?

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Hey DDD, what was interesting about my post?

Your assumption that Kison would be a role in the game.

But I didn't assume that? Boring. More chesskid votes.

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Isa looks bad now as well.

Interesting.

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Whos is your top suspect atm chesskid?

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Chamber bailed immediately after I did. Why are you only giving me flak for this?

Why'd you ask this?

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If you can clear yourself, do so? These deadlines are too short to fuck around at all as yesterday prove.

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(also that didn't really answer my question)

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There are better questions for figuring out why. Yours isn't very effective at doing that, its mostly only good for trying to tie yourself to me (and I'm a glowing ball of towness).

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Kison, had I unvoted before chesskid would you have found my unvote suspicious?

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Between vig and no death last night it just needs to be Kuribo and DDD

Didn't you have a town read on kuribo yesterday? I know it was '100%' on anxiety scum flip, but the wording of it everytime you said it didn't seem to suggest it was 0% on anxiety town flip.

Last is probably in CC, Yos, Isa.

Why is yos in this group instead of the DDD/kuribo group?

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Yes, and even though you unvoted after he did, I found it unsettling, just not nearly as much as his was. His was more "speed read, LLD wagon heating up, let me attack the first suspicious thing I can find"

I find this interesting because on my end I actually had unvoted before chesskid, but then got distracted by friends and forgot to submit the post until after he had.

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Didn't you have a town read on kuribo yesterday? I know it was '100%' on anxiety scum flip, but the wording of it everytime you said it didn't seem to suggest it was 0% on anxiety town flip.

And I had a scum read on Nu and 4nx. Last night changes a lot of things - I don't think its Kuribo over DDD (and I doubt its both of them) but when push comes to shove someone very vocal kept it going and it wasn't me.

Why is yos in this group instead of the DDD/kuribo group?

The remainder? Yos seems way detached and isn't a town read and thus is put into the rest.

Alright. Thanks. Your response shows how little curiosity you have on the matter.

No problem.

What characteristic do kuribo and DDD share that I'm missing? I don't understand why that wasn't yos/DDD if you just wanted to name 2 people?

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chamber I'll level with you*?

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Yos, you seemed ti write off the 1v1 as townVtown really early. How much consideration did you give to LLD being scum at different points during the day?

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Pssst I'm not getting lynched until after the domain claim and then I'll give my final words in a clear and concise format so there can't be any more hurrrrrffff over it.

Excellent contribution though.

Hasn't DDD already domain claimed (the same as yours) why are we waiting on him with others actually around? You suspect he was lying?

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Is your daykill whats suposed to confirm you?

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I already took it for granted that your daykill claim was truthful. Your frustration at finding out how the setup actually worked was too genuine.

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I'm voting you not spyre?

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I was going to suggest with spyre just did basically. So do that.

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Vigs shooting the scum reads of the town is generally much more profitable. I know it hurts to do, but if you are town you should.

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CES made a good post on it once which I'm failing to find now. Basically by killing the people the town suspect you enable them to go after a new target, so you get much more information by allowing wagons to be built around all the deaths, instead of Isa just dying and giving virtually no info. If you Vig Spyre then convince us to go for Isa next, we get a plethora of information.

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CES made a good post on it once which I'm failing to find now. Basically by killing the people the town suspect you enable them to go after a new target, so you get much more information by allowing wagons to be built around all the deaths, instead of Isa just dying and giving virtually no info. If you Vig Spyre then convince us to go for Isa next, we get a plethora of information.

except nobody's going to lynch Isa.

At which point you are valuing your ability to scum hunt SIGNIFICANTLY higher than the towns, because you are denying that information regardless of who we do lynch. Look at this player list and tell me honestly that you think you are above average even.

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Well, I'd still rather we wait on the actual spyre lynch/bullet. At least for DDD to confirm his claim.

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If SpyreX flips scum, you're finished.

Alternatively, feel free to shoot yourself.

These two posts are scummy as fuck on Kison's part, no matter what Spy's alignment is here.

I don't see it?

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I still don't see your issue with the shoot yourself post?

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no but it resets the vc

Ah, I see. It says that in your role PM?

I also don't see why you are getting hung up on this? Its fairly standard behaviour.

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You didn't kill parama? No shit.

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CC is null-scum for the L-1 vote on 4nx that came out of nowhere, but since one more prod means he's force-replaced, I'm reserving final judgment. Captain Ajax flipping scum makes him more unlikely to be scum though, especially given the fact that I'd never give a scum-PM to someone who flakes and is a prime vig target in every game he plays, apparently.

CES wants to point out that the Ajax scum flip actually makes CC scum more likely, not less. Each role's probability is assigned independently, and Ajax was the optimal scum pick, so if they got multiple scum PMs the 2nd would now be confirmed as going to a less optimal player.

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Good kill name choice.

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Ya'll better be right about this.

If that's how you feel,

what

made you decide to listen to Spyrexkill requests instead of shooting under your own prerogative? Point me to the thing that changed your mind.

At least wait for a spyre town flip to start the inquisition?

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Having that be editable is questionable at best. I don't see how its different from editing your post in anyway but the smallest of technicalities.

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And there is a way of maping anonymous users to their mafiascum handle to see who made which edits?

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Who was it besides me that claimed Level / Whimsy?

Why did you think someone else had claimed level/Whimsy?

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Did you press the Q+ button? Cause it will append those by design.

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Hmm, possible your cookies not getting cleared for some reason resulting in it getting quoted repeatedly, will look for an issue on our side, but I think its on yours.

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You quoted 860 regularly the first time, or did you highlight part when you quoted it?

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Anyway, coding stuff aside. I'm just going to take this chance to claim Level/Whimsy myself, and be highly suspect of kuribo for thinking there was another before I claimed. Stinks at least a little of inside information to me. The only saving grace is that I generally expect scum to be more self aware of the inside info that they have. You can claim your domain any time nuwen.

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Role Cop was at least 1 idea thrown around in my QT?

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Vote yos

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You're either scum, or you're lazy as shit

This and accusing me of tunneling is quite hilarious. I think I've probably suspected/voted nearly everyone at some point?

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So I was thinking about it more (and I haven't run it by my team yet) But I think we should be doing 2 things now that domains have been claimed (well once we get CC's too). Firstly is having everyone claim how many points they got last night, and second is a name claim. I doubt either can be punished now, and both could easily catch anyone that lied about domains.

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So I took a walk, and I started thinking about stuff.

I have a question for you Yos. What are your opinions on a Domain claim? You said you have experience in designing this game system, so I'm asking you specifically.

(Actually, I'd like to have everyone's opinion on the matter, but Yos has claimed to have a greater insight so...)

Hmm. That's actually not a bad idea. That would let us support the domains of people we think are pro-town. Scum might lie, and I'm not sure we could prove it, but....I'm not sure that I see a big downside, overall.

One other thing I should mention; in the last game, people who prayed to the same domain multiple times sometimes got abilities for doing that. No idea if Vi would have done that again or not.

So both LLD and Spyre Supported this. Did the scum put all their eggs in one basket with Yos too?

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I have strong town reads on SpyreX Chamber Yos and Parama, based off their play.

boo.

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And all this scum hurr durr:

You think if I was scum with LLD and you claimed vig I wouldn't have wanted to swing to you dead today? Considering at that point you've claimed a shot AND wanting two of us dead?

OHHH YEA BUT 4NX CLAIMED VIG TOO WHAT ABOUT THAT TIME ISNT LINEAR IN NUWEN WORLD

Just because it made me laugh on reread.

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Captain kuribo DDD yos Isa

Those 5 should claim how much worship they got last night. I don't think order should matter too much. You can popcorn it internally if you like.

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Once all of you have claimed you can create a system of equations to solve the entire thing, so everyone claiming would be pointless? (I'm pretty sure DDD isn't lying about his domain anyway so I'd actually rather he go last)

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Nope. 3 is right.

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Why on earth would you expect me to say something different though? If I am town I'm not going to lie, if I'm scum I'm not going to 1v1 with 2 dead partners in a game that presumably only has 3 mafia?

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Hey DDD, what was interesting about my post?

Your assumption that Kison would be a role in the game.

And that you would be a role.

I missed this the first time somehow. I thought I expressly said it was unlikely that I would be a role? (where as comming in to this fresh I would have thought kison as likely but not guaranteed{now I just think you are kison}). Kison and Me just needed to be masons to make the joke work, which would have been excellent. Still somewhat upset that it didn't turn out that way.

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Where did spyreX claim only 1 worship? I missed that.

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Yep, should have setup a smaller different group of people to claim had I known that, oh well.

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Unvote

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Isa, what were Zars exact reasons for wanting DDD's head today yesterday?

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As much as he makes me want to trap his soul in a fucking puzzle box

Are you sure the kuribo in your name isn't the one from Yugioh?

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For your sake I hope those quotation marks weren't literal.

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Scum wouldn't be first on the Yos wagon.

Took me a minute to realize how silly this statement is. Whats your reasoning?

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Yos != spyreX? (And I hardly hard bussed either LLD or Spyre)

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(bussed being a loaded term that implies I'm scum and whoops but I'm tired and you know what I mean)

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Yos is so hard to lynch as town

This may be empyrically right, but its certainly not the impression I have. If anything my impression is that he probably has one of the worst GamesPlayed:EasynessToLynch ratios on the site. I wouldn't have been above trying to get him mislynches as scum here.

I would say that this seems like post hoc rationalization to me, but it openly is.

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I correctly identified a statement as off, and you then admit it was off because you thought I was first on the spyre wagon. I don't see how thats the product of tunneling. If anything its the product of an observant eye. If you want me to poke you less often, speak more carefully.

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Nuwen, why CC/CA?

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Who is the last mafia Yos?

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So real question, why'd I even have to ask. Why are you so detached from this game, Yos.

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but then again Zach in my QT doesn’t really care for him.

Details in your next post.

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They may have. As we saw, he was threatened with replacement by the moderator and that did nothing. Flakers will flake. This isn't an accurate way to gauge his alignment.

That he flaked isn't an accurate way either though. I've repalced him when he did so as town once before. One has to wonder if the captains would send in troj as the last scum when he got lynched day 1 in his other game.

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but then again Zach in my QT doesn’t really care for him.

Details in your next post.

Nah I'm good.

I really must insist, I'd be asking regardless of who the subject was, if it makes any difference.

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I don't think he lied there. There is no incentive because its easy to detect such a lie. On the other hand chesskid had previously faked a daykill so he could easily have thought he did so again.

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To prove it as a lie we'd need to out who worshiped n0, presumably worshiping or not was done based on the usefulness of your less costly, and therefore likely to be active, abilities. If we are massclaiming sure, but generating that map for the scum without a massclaim seems really dumb to me.

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Vote Yos

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Uh. Really? I know you were just picking on me for not being really emotionally engaged for the past week or so, but you really can't tell that I'm town here?

I can never tell that you are town yos. By the way, you were the 1 that gave the timeline, mine would have been more like: the entire game bar the first few posts.

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Isa has been horribly wrong about pretty much everything so far this game, but his actions day one don't fit the scum agenda.

Look at how frantic SpyreX came across when he was arguing with Nuwen about why the Anxiety wagon was necessary. The desperation in his posts oozed like a broken oil pipe. Yet around that same time, Isa, who had been on Anxiety earlier in the day and could easily have abandoned his crusade against me and hopped back on, came out saying that he wasn't really thrilled with the prospect of Anxiety being scum anymore.

Does not seem likely.

Eh. Unless the mafia have day talk that I don't know about they may have not all been on the same page. SpyreX could have understood the importance of the Anxiety lynch for scum much more simply by virtue of experience that Isa lacks. Personally when I was new as scum, and even now, I find it hard to abandon looking as town as I can for the sake of achieving an objective, even though I know its theoretically right sometimes.

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Why would you worship a domain you have n0? You can't take benefit from it the next night.

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Why would you worship a domain you have n0? You can't take benefit from it the next night.

That doesn't change the fact that he worshipped a likely LLD domain instead of one LLD wouldn't have had use for.

Do you think LLD only had one domain? If you think Isas motivation for worshiping order was related to LLD do you think she would volunteer the fact that she worshiped it so easily?

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Do you think LLD only had one domain?

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Go ahead and popcorn it I geuss DDD? We should have the time.

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Not a cornor. Order>level.

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Not a coroner either.

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Don't think of it as three votes. Think of it as you are one of the two leading wagons 2.5 days before deadline. Nows the time to clear yourself if you can.

UberNinjad.

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What made you want to worship order n0? What was your initial impression at mith being in the evil domain? Why didn't you ask for clarification about either of the abilties that you seemingly don't fully understand?

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Troj, you seem to believe the name claim, but do you think mith would be aligned with 'the revolution'?

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Yep, lets lynch yos.

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I don't actually believe that you are mith?

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I actually had this discussion with my teammates

Which teammates? What was their individual opinions?

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That ajax wagon.

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CES wants me to tell you guys that the scum group is likely Anix + two randoms. Anix having a safe claim and the others not.

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There is no way that a scum misses the chance to hammer the doctor and get away with it.

'The doctor' We do have like 4 claimed vigs you know. And there was a stopped kill last night. And frankly a doc isn't even that strong of an ability when its all said and done, the strength of your claims doc if true is just how cheap it is. The mafias real priority would be getting rid of people with sick 4s and 5s while they can still reasonably go off.