Mini 1327: Murder in the Louvre- Day 6

[charter]

Parama is town.

Vote Kanye

[charter]

Vote Quilford

[charter]

Parama is town.

Vote Kanye

Why is Parama town? I'm getting a distinctly different feeling, mainly from his shos-wagon hop.
Whether shos is town or scum is irrelevant; that hop in 39 followed by "This is beautiful" was scummy as fuck.

I was joking.

I will admit to not being sure about Shos or Parama right now.
Shos, who is scum and why?
Parama, are you planning on doing anything before Shos is lynched?

[charter]

Vi, why did you wait until 52 to vote shos? Why not vote in 48?

I think Vi is scum. She has done nothing but push easy lynches on Shos and Parama, who, despite her claims, is not obvscum.

Unvote, Vote Vi

Yos and Nuwen, what is your read on Vi?

[charter]

So you're still pushing a lynch on Parama for no reason? That's the main reason I'm voting you.

[charter]

And what did you get from all your "shos pressure"? He's still flailing as much as ever, but you've dropped all mention of him.

[charter]

So you're still pushing a lynch on Parama for no reason? That's the main reason I'm voting you.

And what if I was?

Then I'm voting you because it's scummy.

[charter]

Vi, why did you wait until 52 to vote shos? Why not vote in 48?

I think Vi is scum. She has done nothing but push easy lynches on Shos and Parama, who, despite her claims, is not obvscum.

Unvote, Vote Vi

Yos and Nuwen, what is your read on Vi?

Vi isn't even kind of the lynch today, put your vote somewhere useful.

Scum do NOT often take an immediately post-RVS case and run with it for pages. You might see this behavior in less than one of any twenty mafia games with competent, attentive people. Scum have a tendency to chime in on formed wagons riiiiight about NOW in the gamestate, or lurk behind their RVS vote until there's enough content to compile a case.

Yes, clearly all scum follow the exact path you just laid out No one in this game could possibly smart enough to deviate from it. If you want me to vote someone besides Vi, you should try something productive (such as make a better case against someone than your case against Quilford), instead of whatever that mess was.

Starting to get suspicious of UN, as well. He is going way over the top with how everyone should think he is obvtown. Doubt anyone thinks he's obvtown. Plus he's going over the top with his buddying.

[charter]

I'm town, you know that.

[charter]

Will catch up tomorrow...

[charter]

Alright, Chiaro is scum. That makes Parama probably town. Quilford's replacing out is certainly questionable, but I've seen more town do it lately than scum.

298 sums it up pretty well.

However, you were also the first to draw attention to Parama, who I'm also finding scummy for claiming scum. Frankly, I wasn't comfortable calling him out on it due to knowledge of his meta but Vi's vote gives me more confidence. I'm not sure what to make of your interactions with him.

He's also been suspicious of Parama for claiming scum, even though he knows Parama would do it as town, but he doesn't say anything about it for a very long time. Then he blames Vi for his suspicion, saying 'well hey, Vi thinks it's scummy, so it must be'.

His change to Parama is scummy. Comes right after getting called out. His reason for voting Parama is terrible.

Unvote, vote Chiaro

[charter]

Why are people going on about shos and Chiaro being scumbuddies? I must have missed it.

[charter]

Can you explain how you think Kayne is the towniest person? Because that's a stretch to have him as town at all.

[charter]

At this point in the game, scum really have no choice but to attack their attackers.

how is this now the only acceptable strategy for scum, whereas a few pages ago it was

Scum do NOT often take an immediately post-RVS case and run with it for pages. You might see this behavior in less than one of any twenty mafia games with competent, attentive people. Scum have a tendency to chime in on formed wagons riiiiight about NOW in the gamestate, or lurk behind their RVS vote until there's enough content to compile a case.

It looks to me that scum only do whatever is most convenient to give some feeble backing to your "suspicions".
What's your read on Chiaro, Nuwen?

[charter]

Can you explain how you think Kayne is the towniest person? Because that's a stretch to have him as town at all.

Was that directed at me? I never called him "the towniest person". He's looking pretty townish at this point, though. The way he's pushing Quilford/Elmo looks pretty sincere and pretty logical, and it looks like he's also looking for plausable scum partners and stuff.

It was. I deduced that you thought him the towniest person because there was no qualifier to your town read of him like others had. If he's not the towniest person in your eyes, who is then? I would disagree that the way he's pushing Quilford looks sincere or logical, as to me it looks like he's said very little about Quilford and has done even less of pushing a Quilford lynch.

[charter]

All your posts about Quilford are one liners boiling down to "Quilford is scum" that are forgotten as soon as you read it.

[charter]

PPE: Eh, looks like Kanye already responded with most of the same points while I was typing. Probably better that he respond anyway. For that matter, charter, if you wanted to understand Kanye's vote, why did you ask me and not him?

I understand why Kanye is voting Quilford. When I read your post it looked to me like he was your number one townie, which I did not understand. That's why I asked you. If I had questions for Kayne about his vote on Quilford, I can ask him about it.

[charter]

At this point in the game, scum really have no choice but to attack their attackers.

how is this now the only acceptable strategy for scum, whereas a few pages ago it was

Scum do NOT often take an immediately post-RVS case and run with it for pages. You might see this behavior in less than one of any twenty mafia games with competent, attentive people. Scum have a tendency to chime in on formed wagons riiiiight about NOW in the gamestate, or lurk behind their RVS vote until there's enough content to compile a case.

It looks to me that scum only do whatever is most convenient to give some feeble backing to your "suspicions".
What's your read on Chiaro, Nuwen?

Hey Nuwen, please respond.

Right now, I think we should be lynching Chiaro. Those who have him as number two should switch over to him. In case no one has noticed, he's entered lurkmode. I would also go for a Vi lynch. I'd settle for UN or Nuwen if one of those becomes cool.

[charter]

hey whys chiaro scum?

Post 271, 298, and others

[charter]

Also, we're 20 pages in. 10 or so is useless spam, let's not make it another 10 pages of uselessness.

[charter]

Try three.

Nuwen, your read on Chiaro?

[charter]

How do you get dddin as scum from his five posts all game?

[charter]

Imagine that, Chiaro's suspects are those that are voting them?

[charter]

That's really not a question.

[charter]

Imagine that, Chiaro's suspects are those that are voting them?

So then what does that make him?

I think it suspicious of him. I think Chiaro is scum.

Yos, Vi said something like
"Lynch - (I have no idea since we never get votecounts)"
Not Lynch - 1

[charter]

I'm leaning towards both Uber and Yos being town. Uber for a myriad of terrible reasons, the latest is how he's trying to paint Yos's lack of careful reading as scummy when there's no way Yos can purposefully being pushing this to gain an advantage as scum. And leaning Yos town for the same reason and the "case" on him is quite terrible.

[charter]

Imagine that, Chiaro's suspects are those that are voting them?

So then what does that make him?

I think it suspicious of him. I think Chiaro is scum.

Why is it suspicious of him?

If this is a serious question, then it obviously benefits scum to do nothing but attack those already suspicious of them. You piss off the least number of townies and manage to keep your head low while doing no real scumhunting at all.

Katsuki, do you plan on doing anything other than feeble attempts to soil my good name?

Uber is a subpar lynch for today and for me would boil down to 'I don't want this game ballooning to 100 pages and lynching UN is the only way to prevent that'. Add to it the fact that the people voting him (Nuwen and Yos and who else? We never get votecounts) were also voting for Quilford earlier with some supposed "slam dunk" case that everyone ignored because it wasn't very good. The wagon on UN is more of he's annoying than he's scum. Terrible reason to lynch over.

Nuwen refuses to be town or answer her read on Chiaro. I think both Nuwen and Chiaro are scum. I have had an uneasy feeling about Nuwen all game, how all she does is call others stupid and try and control them. She's only attacked easy targets with only a thin veil of scumhunting behind it. Yos is pretty close to falling in this category as well. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but Kanye belongs in this group too, right?

tl;dr
UN is a bad lynch.
Chiaro or Nuwen are good lynches, Yos or Kayne is an acceptable compromise.

Does anyone have a town read on Nuwen? I am wagering I'm not the only one who thinks she's scum.

Unvote, vote Nuwen

[charter]

So, I'm going to assume that since Yosarian was the only one who said he thought Nuwen was town, that the rest of you think she is scum.

Let's get with the lynching.

[charter]

If anyone is calling someone else out for "posting but not saying anything" then Katsuki is the uncontested champion of this.

Right now, I'm thinking at least two scum in Nuwen/Pirate/Katsuki.

[charter]

Nuwen is once again resorting to bullying now that her name has come up. Trying to scare people into doing what she wants with the threat of "blacklisting" (I'm sure we're all terrified) you if you don't do what she wants. Yosarian, how is this not scummy to you? Same question for anyone else who wants to answer.

I don't even see any hebrew symbol, and would assume it's only flavor as well. It obviously refers to voting during the day and the suspect being lynched.

Pirate posting in other games and lurking his pants off in this one. Very obvious this guy is scum.

[charter]

You really don't see how saying "Do what I tell you or you'll be sorry" is scummy?

[charter]

That was directed at shos.

[charter]

Unvote, vote Pirate

[charter]

Screw it. I continually fail to see how Yosarian can have a town read on Nuwen. It either boils down to they are scumbuddies, or Yos is aiming for townpoints because Nuwen is town.

Either way, I am pretty sure he can see the difference between what Nuwen said "Vote UN or you're blacklisted" and what he paraphrased.

Unvote, Vote Yosarian

[charter]

You should probably stop your active lurking and give some reads on people because so far you've been even more useless than ddidin and he didn't post but five times.

[charter]

The Viwagon was 20 pages ago. Try again.

[charter]

I'm town.

[charter]

There is no spoon.

[charter]

You have said nothing about Nuwen all game except "Nuwen looks town". The only explanation you ever gave was something like "Nuwen made a logical case" against Quilford, since then both of you have completely dropped it.

How do I draw acting like town from that?

[charter]

Has anyone played with Katsuki before? Is he always completely useless, or just as scum?

[charter]

Alright, I was just in a game with UN and his play was totally different. I had him as scum that game, and he responded totally different to pressure. I severely doubt UN is scum. That's one of the major reasons I'm not voting him. The other is the people voting for UN. All except for Yos and Zar don't even know what game we're playing here. This is not inspiring.

I would much prefer to lynch Pirate, but it's a crime to split votes

It looks like Katsuki is able to post after all. He's just unable to post anything useful. I'd be more than happy to lynch him as well, since if it doesn't happen today, I'm going to keep wanting it every day.

[charter]

Alright, I was just in a game with UN and his play was totally different. I had him as scum that game, and he responded totally different to pressure. I severely doubt UN is scum. That's one of the major reasons I'm not voting him. The other is the people voting for UN. All except for Yos and Zar don't even know what game we're playing here. This is not inspiring.

I would much prefer to lynch Pirate, but it's a crime to split votes

It looks like Katsuki is able to post after all. He's just unable to post anything useful. I'd be more than happy to lynch him as well, since if it doesn't happen today, I'm going to keep wanting it every day.

Prefer to lynch Pirate or Katsuki over Yosarian.

[charter]

link to that game?

eh, ninja'd by 3 posts

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=21350

[charter]

btw something id like to point out that ive been thinking a little about, this wagon (Elmo TeH AzN (4): Nuwen, kanyeknowsbest, Yosarian2, Furcolow,) did not get pushed through by scum. i think its undeniable that i will take a lot of heat (the most out of ne1 on the wagon) should elmo flip town. 2 conclusions im gonna have to come back to after he flips eventually (i swear to god if he makes it more than a few days without flipping im gonna be steamin mad!!), scum refusing to bus or a scum heavy wagon that didnt get any town support.

Is there any possible way a townie makes this post? If this isn't trying to cover your ass for a wagon you know is on town, I don't know what is.

[charter]

Alright, I was just in a game with UN and his play was totally different. I had him as scum that game, and he responded totally different to pressure. I severely doubt UN is scum. That's one of the major reasons I'm not voting him.

Ok. I ISO'd UN's play in that game, and I'm not sure I really see the differnece. Can you spell it out for me?

I was on to him day two (day one lasted 3 pages) and his arguments were so ridiculous that I had to stop arguing with him altogether. I don't see that in this game.

[charter]

Yos, if we lynch UN and he flips town, what then?

[charter]

CAN WE GET A REPLACEMENT OR PRODS OR SOMETHING FOR PIRATE. HE HASNT POSTED IN A WEEK.

[charter]

Ah. If Hiraki replaces in, I'm doing nothing but voting him. There is zero chance of a town win if he's in this game. Hiraki is bar none the dumbest player ever to grace mafiascum. It's even better because he's scum. So here's my last post until he's lynched.

Unvote, vote Hiraki

[charter]

We should lynch Hiraki.

[charter]

Vote Hiraki

In addition to Chiaro being obvscum, he is as well.

I have no idea what a dreamer is

[charter]

Yos, who do you think is scum now?

[charter]

Yeah, Elmo was the really obvious choice for any town vig. Furc's vote is scummy.

[charter]

Vi why are you questioning shos instead of voting Hiraki?

[charter]

Hiraki is scum, that's why.

I would be down for a name/flavorclaim at least.

[charter]

I'm La Joconde, aka the mona lisa.

[charter]

There is 5 votes on scum right now, why is it split between two people

[charter]

I could use some more unwarranted suspicion my way I guess.

Unvote, vote Nuwen

Yos, do you still think Nuwen is town?

[charter]

Why do you keep calling me scum. I'm obvtown as always.

[charter]

And you don't think Nuwen is Hiraki's buddy? I think it's pretty obvious she is.

[charter]

Now we have six votes on scum, but there isn't a lynch. I thought I already was voting for Nuwen, but

Unvote, vote Nuwen

[charter]

Both Hiraki and Nuwen are scum.

[charter]

Parama is town
Charter is my #1 suspect after that weak ass jump onto Nuwen

vote: Charter

I doubt that you care, but I was voting Nuwen quite a while back, the mod missed it.

[charter]

Playing D3. Everyone should go get it.

[charter]

Those that haven't nameclaimed should nameclaim.

[charter]

So Katsuki is officially the third scum.

[charter]

Sign

Can someone post in big bold letters when there is something for me to do in this game again.

[charter]

Another reminder for those who haven't name claimed to claim.

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post

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What did furc claim?

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post

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Nuwen, Hiraki, and one of furc/katsuki

that is the scumteam, I'll vote whichever has the most votes.

[charter]

You got any nameclaim to go with that furc?

[charter]

If I forget to post day two, just count on a vote for Nuwen/Hiraki.

[charter]

Unvote, vote Furc

[charter]

Vote Hiraki

[charter]

Yeah, I noticed Vi's stance regarding Furc was very indicative of them being buddies together.

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post

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I'm a flavorcop. I get some cryptic clues about someone's name flavor. It's why I was in favor of the massnameclaim yesterday, so I would have everyone's name to verify against. Night one I investigated Furc, last night I investigated Vi. Vi is a mummy like she claimed. As far as I can tell, my role is totally useless.

[charter]

Zar was asking what I was doing last night.

[charter]

Don't waste any more of mafiascum's precious bandwidth, hammer Hiraki and we can win this game tomorrow.

[charter]

Yos, what was your claim again? I forget what it was.

[charter]

Better question, who are you that google/wikipedia accepts? I tried Françoise Dupont, but that's not a real person to either of them.

[charter]

Is there a picture of your person on that map? or somewhere else? That would help the most.

[charter]

Gender?

[charter]

Alright, it seems to match.

[charter]

That picture looks like what I was told.

[charter]

BP Survivor is what a SK claims because he thinks people will let him live.

Vote shos

What else do you want me to claim? All I have is flavor about how everyone comes to the lourve to watch me, but I'm watching them too. My official role is "observe".

[charter]

I'm not claiming some amazing role, of course it could be faked, but that's the role I am.

[charter]

I am La Joconde. Most famous painting in the world, thousands see me every day. As they watch me, I'm watching them.
Each night I can observe a player, which gives a description of them.

The descriptions only pertain to name flavor, and it's not very specific at that.

Shos is obviously stretching for anything he can with using the name of my image as fodder to discredit my claim. Obviously I have no control over what picture I'm given.

[charter]

Unvote

because I have no clue what is going on in this game and I'm not going to be the one to blow it.

Night one I targeted Furc because I thought his vote was suspect. I was told he was a young woman with brown curls. She was reclining and wearing some sort of dress of which I need to google later.
Night two I targeted Vi, I don't remember why. It was just a description of a mummy, it game me his height and is laying down wearing linen. Four vases are next to him.
Night three I targeted Yos, because he wanted me to verify his claim. He's a young woman with short hair. She is in bed, and has a gun by her side.


This supports his claim. I think his pic is of a woman.

I still think Shos is incredibly suspect. His claim is suspicious and his way of trying to discredit my claim reeks of self preservation, but I'll try and read some with a clearer head.

Also, I will most likely be V/LA until Sunday some time.

[charter]

Night two I targeted Vi, I don't remember why. It was just a description of a mummy, it

game

gave

me his height and is laying down wearing linen. Four vases are next to him.

[charter]

/PRODDED

[charter]

I agree with Yos. Scum is either Nuwen or Vi, and Shos is a SK. If there was any post that someone besides them has a burning desire for me to respond to, please let me know and I will be glad to do so, but I won't waste my breath on any of them.

There's really nothing else to say about the last several pages. All three of them tried to push a wagon on me, and the only reason for doing so is trying to force through a lynch on the person who only cares just enough about this game not to subject some poor soul to reading a terrible mess.

Vote Nuwen

She can't think of any clever questions to ask the mod? Lol

[charter]

Actually, I think we have to kill the SK today. If Vi is actually the last scum and two kills go through tonight, then the SK will likely win.

Unvote, vote Shos

[charter]

Follow the Yosarian

Unvote, vote Nuwen

[charter]

I haven't posted the last two or three pages, so that's clearly not the reason.

[charter]

Good work. Slam dunk case on Nuwen.

[charter]

Oh hey, Vi ignored the fact that I can't be scum by myself and then typed up a huge post where I'm scum by myself. Oh wait..

[charter]

Well, it looks like it's going to be Yos, Magua, Zar, and myself as the only people who want to play town. I have no problem voting any of shos/Vi/Nuwen. My preference is shos then Nuwen, but whatever.

[charter]

Did Vi invent a post restriction at some point?

[charter]

I tried to investigate Shos, but it failed. The flavor makes it sound like Shos is immune to night actions. I think Shos is a SK and the game is about to be wrapped up.

Vote Shos

[charter]

What was your nameclaim again Zar?

[charter]

I investigated Zar, he's a young girl standing at a fountain.

[charter]

I do have one question. Chamber, why did you try to investigate someone who has claimed to be untargatable at night, and who Zar already failed to target once? I think shos is probably the SK, but I didn't think he was lying about being untargatable. Did you?

didn't know shos claimed untargetable. Haven't read most of this game.

[charter]

What was your role Vi?

I was rereading from page 72ish onward. Either Zar can target and kill night, you are track immune, or Zar guessed that you didn't do anything. I have no idea what your claim is, so I don't know how likely the third scenario is.

[charter]

So, what clues did you ever find?

[charter]

Well, I need to reread a bunch. As far as the two kills, I think shos was a SK. His claim is so fishy, night actions fail on him, he's bulletproof, he's a survivor. Maybe he could only kill on even nights and on odd nights he was immune to night action? I have to see if that actually adds up, that's just off the top of my head.

[charter]

Ok, then it doesn't add up, was just throwing the idea out there.

[charter]

Well,

Vote Vi

I'm going on vacation tomorrow, will be back saturday night, probably sunday.

V/LA until sunday

[charter]

Only thing I have off the top of my head is Vi has totally faked her role. The PR doesn't fit at all with the rest of the game and is just some wacky thing she made up. The rest of the role really just sounds made up too. Vi must be some sort of ninja untrackable mafia, but obviously you can't claim that, so she had to make something up, similar to what Nuwen made up. I also think that Vi is making up the part about the urn's breaking and slowly killing her. The mod told me in the PM there were four urns, and I think Vi used that to try and strengthen her fakeclaim.

[charter]

Post 1915 was where I mentioned the four urns.