After reviewing Ruffling, He is looking town to me. Not particularly suspicious of him anymore. My suspicion early on can be explained as normal town play. The most prominent thing I was suspicious of was his vote on saulres after being prompted to do so. I find it that scum tend to give suspicions and not vote. Considering his play later on, He is an active player and his methodology is consistent and sound. I don't agree with him not giving an explanation for his town reads but I expect that if it's needed he will.
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On with reading: I am generally writing as I read.
In post 152, havingfitz wrote:In guille's response to Pless' 103 analysis he says he was taunting me. @guille...how was your Post 103 taunting me? All you did was point out another game I was in that, to you, had a bastard feel to it (though I never felt like it was).
It was a good win for us though!
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By taunt, I mean forcing a reaction from you. It's not a strong influence, just that I am trying to get certain reactions from the players I have a hard time reading. It's also for fun.
The thing with Defender from My point of view, from the times I've played with him as town, he has always done a lousy job at defending himself (Pun intended). I don't recall playing with a scum defender. I don't feel like he is playing the same as he has done in the past games with me, but this in itself is not a scum-tell.
In post 163, Ztife wrote:I would assume that scums knows their scum buddies and therefore also know who are town, so my reasoning is that I don't see why a name claim would hurt town.
Mass name claim is bad. You claim when you are threatened to get lynched. This discussion was had in my
Phineas and Ferb game. I was given the fake Phineas and was masoned(neighbored) to a town Ferb. As soon as everyone claimed we pretty much guessed at all of the powers, except on the one player who refused to claim, to which we were scared of having a valuable power. We knew who the cop was very early in that game, so I find it that the characters in this game would have powers that can be easily inferred. Early Mass claims is a disadvantage to town unless you are guaranteed that scum have no fakeclaims.
Sometimes scum fumbles the answers because they are nervous of being in the spotlight. I wanted to create the illusion that you were still in the spotlight in order to catch you if you got nervous.
Pless is taking on Ztife and Saulres on his own. His arguments are sound and I totally agree with them. Ztife's arguments on why the massclaim should be done are bad. However, I don't see scum pussing for a massclaim even if they have fake claims. At best they'd remain on the sidelines. And oh, plot twist on Saulres (
178). His explanation is consistent. At the time, he wasn't in a big threat to getting lynch. I think he just had 2 votes. So, his timing is consistent with his plan failing. His post does not look like one that was retconned. It is plausible though, so I am wary still. I don't particularly agree with everything Pless said about it. Something might come up later.
On Ztife, I completely disagree with his Massclaim argument. He spends most of his time talking about that.
On Saulres, I am not comfortable with his lynch. There is contradiction in his vote and his stance on Defender. But his explanation makes sense to me. It is possible that this has been retconned but I don't see any holes in it.
Reading further. Pless's
202 clears some things for me. My problem origially was that I remember Saulres saying that he had something planned for Ztife. When I checked back to check for timing, I noticed that that this was post
162, which is consistant with Pless theory. At first, reading 178, I thought saulres had the Idea to entrap Ztife since 96. However, given that it was not clear. The trap was set after 118 and he failed to give scum reads earlier. So I can understand the position that this could have been a retcon. The lack of giving a scum read on ztife makes sense to this. Additionally, post
210 sounds like an appeal to emotion.
Ruffling's post
243 is a good point against Ztife. 219 would have given him a valid reason to vote for Saulres. Yet he mentions later that he as a town read on Saulres, which he changes to a vote, due to his persistence. Personally I find persistence to be a town trait.
I think this is a good point to give my reads.
I find Ruffling, DoubleJD and Pless Town.
Fitz and Sword I am leaning Town on.
One of Saulres or Ztife are likely Scum. This sounds like an odd bus so I find it that at least one of them is scum. I do not think Saulres would bus Ztife like he did. I am more willing to vote for Ztife.
Anybody else is null.
So Finally:
Yes I am confortable in picking a side here and going for Ztife.
Vote Ztife
