Mini 1415: Fairly Oddparents Mafia Game Over

[MrZepher]

The problem with Sanjay's plan is that if they backfire two wishes correctly then they GET 2 mafia members and we can basically insta lose.

I hate that I never get to participate in RVS :C
Now this game is all serious mode and I really didn't like Balrog's posting.

[MrZepher]

Don't restart pl0x

WHY ARE PEOPLE VOTING ME. EVERYBODY LOVES ME DAMMIT. I'M POPULAR. POPULAR KIDS DON'T GET HUNG DAY 1.
I'm Chad btw.

I just didn't like how he wanted to control that game right off the bat and it seemed like anybody who disagreed with him was already scum in his book.
I don't see the point in playing the game if it's not going to be any fun. Defeats the point of this being a Mafia game.
It's not vote worthy imo, I was just pointing out that I didn't like his posting. Plus spamming us to page 5 before I could even start reading the game makes me less inclined to like you.
Sorry, not sorry.

[MrZepher]

Woops. I'm Tad. I thought Tad was the black one, but I'm the white one and the white one is Tad.
I got the names confused. Sorry.
Visual memory and all that stuff...

[MrZepher]

How is that scummy in any way?

Chad and Tad sound the same. I got the names confused. Sorry. Jesus.

[MrZepher]

You get an IMAGE of the kid you have in the PM, unless you are blind there is no way you could mistake black skin and white skin

I know that I was the one with white skin. I just thought he was Chad. He's Tad. That's my mistake.

[MrZepher]

You get an IMAGE of the kid you have in the PM, unless you are blind there is no way you could mistake black skin and white skin

I know that I was the one with white skin. I just thought he was Chad. He's Tad. That's my mistake.

[MrZepher]

I didn't double check my PM until Vifam was like "Well if Chad then Tad" and I realized that I had made a terrible mistake. I originally checked it to confirm last night.

@Klick: I don't feel like the first quote is town-telling in any way....

[MrZepher]

Maybe it doesn't look fake because it's just that good.

Things like that are too early to tell.

[MrZepher]

You've read the eight pages enough to call them shit. You must have more than that.

I was just about to say this. DAMMIT SANJAY.

[MrZepher]

Also I get the gut feeling that Kiwi's vote on Vifam is more than just an RVS.....

[MrZepher]

Explain to me how making a mistake is a scum tell (lol).

It's not

Because I thought his first post coming in was bad, add that up to "mistake" and the fact that no one else was really standing out as really scummy at the time aside from Grine, it seemed like a viable wagon.

So here are the okay lynches:

kiwieagle
L

Grine

Zeph

VOTE: Vifam

[MrZepher]

Chase me down on a frivolous argument at best and watch it go nowhere.
I made a mistake. Shit happens. I already know there's scum on my wagon; there's absolutely no way there isn't.

My point in posting, while yes I was being really cautious, was to point out that I was uncomfortable with the first 5 pages of what is basically now garbage.
And my only reason in caution is being uncomfortable with the speed at which 5 pages had been reached. I felt like I was missing something.

Anyway, I've had my opening-game spamfest fun. I have to be up for work in 3 hours, so I'm gonna sleep. I'll check up on you kids later. Before I go:

VOTE: Vifam, as I sense absolutely nothing he posts will be of any value for the remainder of the game if he's town and he's pretty much declared himself scum twice as it is anyway.

This after saying she's/he's already confirmed himself as scum twice (which was a misrepresentation anyways).
Your point here is completely subjective and entirely misleading.
You're first half of your ISO is total garbage at this point so what am I supposed to make of you?

I would suggest that anybody on my wagon that is town and wants this day to go somewhere to get the fuck off my wagon. You're all way to heavy.

[MrZepher]

My vote post on Vifam is just me pointing out that she defeated her own case on me. Her vote was based off of my mistake in claiming (lol) and then she points out that it's not even really scummy.

Yet I'm still on her scum list.
wut.

Also, considering the fact that I'm town and that I made it to L-2 (possibly L-1, I don't remember. Doesn't defeat my point) on the basis of a relatively insignificant mistake
How exactly am I NOT supposed to assume there are scum on my wagon? It's not difficult logic here guys.
I know I'm not the best poster on mafia, but jesus christ that escalated quickly.

Zepher, is Vifam the only scum on your wagon? Who do you think are scum off your wagon? Is there anyone on your wagon you'd give a 'misguided town' pass to?

wtf Esurio isn't on the player list....

Human Destroyer is probs town
And captaineddie can get the misguided town thing too I guess.

Off of my wagon? These are subjective. Posting off the top of my head.

Scum:
PeregrineV
Balrog
Klick
Vifam

Unsure:
captaineddie
-L-
Benmage
Sanjay -Leans town.
Seanald

Town:
adorkable
kiwieagle
Human Destroyer

[MrZepher]

OHHHHHHH esurio is pretending to be adorkable. GOT IT.

[MrZepher]

Kiwi seems to be legitimately trying to find scum... even if he has to stretch a little bit... hmmmmmm...

Vifam seems more town after looking through her ISO. Not sure if I think it's worth to move my vote yet.
Peregrine seems pretty WIFOMtastic in his posting so... Idk if that's just how he is or if he's intentionally taking advantage of that.

[MrZepher]

Oh woops. I think we've learned by now that I have a visual memory so pictures sit better than words. Assumed female based on portrait. Feel free to refer to me as a cat.

Sanjay - Reads like he's trying to take information and sort it out which is very townie motivated imo, haven't paid much attention to him otherwise hence null leaning town
HD - Questioning a town read on himself isn't something I normally see scum do, plus general townie motivated questioning
Dork - post #241 hit my soft spot for town reads

The more I look at Kiwi the less sure I am of a town read. Hes going after somebody that's worth so little information. I'm just not entirely sure.

Pere - Like said. WIFOMtastic. I'm not sure how I feel about that and his general disinterest towards giving us non-vital information seems odd
Bal - Spam for 5 pages between him and Vi and his attacks on Vifam earlier in the day didn't really sit well with me.
Klick - says as little as humanly possible. Doesn't pursue anyone (other than me and he never actually explicitly gave a reason). Doesn't strike me as town.

Which reminds me,
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Klick

Hasn't said much, and much of what he has said is questionable.
When Vifam questioned his town read on grine his reasons were.... stupid for lack of wanting to choose a better word.
Plus when you post town reads there's no reason to post yourself as town.... It's a silly thing to nitpick at but his general posting style doesn't seem to warrant that kind of behavior.

[MrZepher]

-L- is just using the odd pace of this game as an excuse to get away with doing nothing it seems.
Along with Sanjay's point, -L- already sheeped Klick's reads earlier (Post #176 is literally just a quote of Klick's reads)
Didn't -L- JUST say she doesn't like following other people's reads? wut.

This coupled with my current scum read on Klick means I'm totally willing to vote -L-

[MrZepher]

If I wasn't waiting for Klick to respond to my vote I'd move it to -L-

Sanjay stop saying things I agree with. It makes me uncomfortable.

-L- can you perhaps put some substance behind those reads of Benmage and Balrog?

[MrZepher]

OR

EVERYONE CAN VOTE KLICK.

hurry before he gets back.
double points for the ironic vengeance wagon.

(I'm joking actually. Don't do that. I'm just reminding myself that I have my vote on him since this game is moving forward so quickly.)

[MrZepher]

Wait so why is Benmage scum again?
What I'm getting right now is that he's not a doctor in this game so therefore he must be scum or something... Right? No that's not right...

Jokes aside, Sanjay can you explain why Benmage is scum that doesn't require me to go reading through another game?
I'm really against using meta as the basis for a case against somebody. It's WIFOM at best in this case.

[MrZepher]

There should be zero reason to be afraid of honesty.
Also there are currently 2 votes out of play. No me gusta.

[MrZepher]

Sanjay - Reads like he's trying to take information and sort it out which is very townie motivated imo, haven't paid much attention to him otherwise hence null leaning town
HD - Questioning a town read on himself isn't something I normally see scum do, plus general townie motivated questioning
Dork - post #241 hit my soft spot for town reads

The more I look at Kiwi the less sure I am of a town read. Hes going after somebody that's worth so little information. I'm just not entirely sure.

Pere - Like said. WIFOMtastic. I'm not sure how I feel about that and his general disinterest towards giving us non-vital information seems odd
Bal - Spam for 5 pages between him and Vi and his attacks on Vifam earlier in the day didn't really sit well with me.
Klick - says as little as humanly possible. Doesn't pursue anyone (other than me and he never actually explicitly gave a reason). Doesn't strike me as town.

Everyone else is either null or I haven't really looked into them yet..... so null.
Top 3 are town, bottom are scummier

[MrZepher]

Uhhhh no.

#90 doesn't mean anything to me
#97 his reasoning later was thin at best and his choice of words makes me less inclined to trust his opinion
#99 lol

I don't know if I want Klick to hang yet. I want him to respond in some way that's conducive to moving the game forward instead of showing up just enough to not warrant any suspicion. Until then my vote probably won't move until I see a better place to put it. 18 days until deadline means I can try to gather information for now.

Besides I don't really know what to make of PV yet and he has yet to provide more information for me to work with sooooo
The only thing I'll say is that I don't see a ton of motivation in either direction which makes him less than town but not enough for me to think he's worth lynching.
He could just be an asshole.

[MrZepher]

I thinking backfiring a bulletproof wish would make whoever it backfires a bullet magnet.
:speculationpost:

I'm spending more time trying to figure out how I'm going to use my two wishes so I can still get accurate information even if it backfires...

I REALLY don't like the concept of making it known what we may or may not be doing.
It makes it really easy for scum to plan beforehand... I think that's the other reason why Balrog came off as scummy to me. And no Balrog, you're not confirmed town wtf.

[MrZepher]

I see the subtext just fine, I just choose not to make it the basis of my belief that you're town until you flip. Then you're ACTUALLY confirmed.
Until then there are still a few small cases where you could be scum so as long as you don't start playing into those cases then I don't see myself voting Balrog.

[MrZepher]

If you were my #1 scumspect my vote would be on you right now.

Honestly there's nothing for me to chase with you. There are plenty of arguments against the things I find scummy with you and you're apparently confirmed town so why waste time? I mean I'm still going over you when something doesn't seem right but I'm more concerned with other people like Klick who still hasn't said a damn thing.

[MrZepher]

I dont like klick, throwing that out there for anyone to take a nibble on, then realize they love the taste and start sucking on it ravenously.

join the club.

For what reason don't you like him? Or should I just go ahead and inb4 that you sheep me?

How do you feel about HD?

He's come off as town to me both when I first read the thread and when I ISO'd him a few pages ago so I haven't payed much attention to him since.
I think he said something that came off as weird to me but I'd have to look at him again to remember what it was. It was just within the last couple of pages though.

I'm willing to go ahead with a PV lynch but I'm also torn by my desire to get some talkin out of other people before the day ends (read as: Let's wagon Klick)

[MrZepher]

@HD what's your read on Benmage these pages?

[MrZepher]

ALSO I found which post I found odd. I lol'd when I saw it.

[MrZepher]

It's not all about the case, either. PeregrineV has been weirdly ambivalent with his attempts to break the game. Dude said he wasn't excited about it, but yet is trying to break the game constantly. The heck. Between that and the fluff posting, it really reads to me like Peregrine is just doing stuff because he's seen others do it for townpoints

@-@ holy shit I just had one of those epiphany thingies.
I agree with the fake posts and the needless fluff. The doing stuff for town point actually makes a lot of sense to me.
WILL LOOK INTO THIS IMMEDIATELY.

ALSO;
HD should look at the post where he votes Peregrine. A lot of things wrong with that post buddy especially since it can cause your vote on Klick to come off the wrong way.

[MrZepher]

Yeah PV is a good wagon now

VOTE: PeregrineV

I think Seanald's been flying under the radar even more than I have, are there any thoughts flowing about on him?

I think Seanald's been flying under the radar even more than I have, are there any thoughts flowing about on him?

flying under the radar even more than I have

wut

If Klick is scum Seanald is town, calling it now

doublewut

Plus Klick is a pretty big enigma in this game if you haven't noticed.
There's just a huge disparity here that I'm not making sense of.
Or maybe I'm just nitpicking...

[MrZepher]

What does Balrog think of Klick?

[MrZepher]

Strong, silent, stupid....

he's the perfect scum...

[MrZepher]

Klick.

[MrZepher]

I dunno about HD, but I do agree with PV and Klick.

[MrZepher]

So the fact that nobody is voicing any real opposition to Klick's lynch is starting to seem extremely fishy.
Offset only by the fact that he hasn't said anything about it himself. lol.

[MrZepher]

Eddie can you post some more insight into your reads please?

It doesn't matter how many people are ON the wagon. In the last few pages it's taken up quite a bit of steam and it just feel weird that nobody has really commented on the viability of the lynch other than the people voting on it.
It just makes me really uncomfortable seeing as how when I initially voted Klick it was an isolated vote and people regarded it as much.

[MrZepher]

Well, if I'm wrong about one of them, I'd accept captaineddie as a replacement scum.

Why not Benmage?

[MrZepher]

To clarify, I mean why Eddie over say Benmage?

Also as squeamish as HD gets I see town motivation in his content posts.
While it's not unlikely that he could be scum, I think it's a stretch to assume that currently...

[MrZepher]

Trying and failing because you can't.
so obvscum it hurts.

[MrZepher]

UNVOTE:
This is where I vote PV and put him at L-1

Looking back at his ISO I find it more and more difficult to see him as town.

[MrZepher]

Since he's reading through the thread I'm giving him a chance to say something first. He's at L-2 right now.

[MrZepher]

VOTE: PV

Yeah. Lets just end the day.

[MrZepher]

I think at this point we gain more from a flip than from continuing to discussion, barring any sort of major slips.

[MrZepher]

I feel like being nightkilled is less depriving than having your wish backfired.

[MrZepher]

ITT PV makes arguments about how people are ignoring points he makes while still ignoring points made against him.

[MrZepher]

As I recall didn't Balrog and Adorkable have points of contention with you?

[MrZepher]

It DID post. lol.

[MrZepher]

HD NEED TO VIG EDDIE.
RIGHT NOW.

At first I was wary because I thought that I had been backfired, but it sounds like I wasn't targeted. HOWEVER.
I wished to know the name and alignment of anybody that targeted me with an action.

I got that Adorkable is town
and that captaineddie is scum.

I think I got doc saved or something. <3

[MrZepher]

Why the heck were all these players targeting MrZepher???

q.q

[MrZepher]

I have two questions. How could captaineddie target MrZepher, as scum, without him dying or having a backfire? Also, how could MrZepher's claimed wish be valid if it wasn't targeted at a specific person?

numberQ has not given me a warning.

Notice how Adorkable targeted me as well.
I think it has something to do with that.

It WAS targeted at a specific person. Myself.
Originally I was just going to be vengeful but then I realized I can use that same concept without killing potential town.

Either way, I made this wish so even if it got backfired I still got information.
We'll see what happens when Adorkable gets back.

**Zeph needs to claim what he asked the mod.

I'm assuming you mean my wish action? The one that I literally JUST said?

I wished to know the name and alignment of anybody that targeted me with an action.

The only thing I had to clarify was what "name" I was given with the results of the action, but I just asked for player names since that (while less fun) is easier to work with.

[MrZepher]

WTF ADORKABLE.
WHY?!
I"M SO CONFUSED RIGHT NOW. PEOPLE WANT ME DEAD AND OTHER PEOPLE DID POSSIBLY THE MOST HILARIOUS THING EVER.
But why am not a cult recruiter... And how the fuck did Eddie target me?

Also, Adorkable is confirmed town. Unless Vifam is scum with Adorkable.

Also I'm not inclined to believe Klick at this time and place.
There's no way to verify what he's actually doing is legit right? Since Q isn't posting/telling us in thread, or maybe I'm misunderstanding something.

ALSO CAN WE VIG EDDIENOW PLSTHNX

[MrZepher]

Sorry, a lot got posted before I could :reactionpost:

Kill adorkable, if she flips town then I don't know what to do with this game anymore.

[MrZepher]

I want to wait on Eddie before we fire.

Also Sanjay we don't know that Vifam was backfired. Vifam could be scum with Adorkable in which case it was her attempt to get townpoints while psuedo confirming Adorkable.
Once we can figure out what happened with my wish we can move back to Klick and Benmage yeah?

[MrZepher]

THEN WHY THE FUCK DID WE JUST KILL ADORKABLE.

[MrZepher]

I don't know what to do with this game anymore.

[MrZepher]

Only explanation for adorkable-town at this point is Zepher-scum. Either way we hit scum.

NO.

[MrZepher]

Zepher it's literally the only feasible way adorkable could be town

I don't know what Eddie's wish was!

I'm just really bogged up in my brain right now. You're probably all correct and Adorkable is scum but usk...
I don't like not having a plan of action if she flips town :c

[MrZepher]

HOLY SHIT.

ALSO FUCK YOU GUYS FOR BACKFIRING ME.
I guess Eddie is confirmed town then.

VOTE: Vifam

[MrZepher]

So what are the current courses of action.
I have no idea what I'm doing anymore.

I'm just going to plan my next awesome wish.

[MrZepher]

What if Klick is the other scum?

[MrZepher]

No it HAS to be Klick/Vifam because Klick "confirmed" Vifam as town.
This is assuming Klick is scum. Which I'm less and less inclined to believe.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Benmage

[MrZepher]

If I got backfired and Vifam got backfired then Benmage is confirmed scum.

Also this day is going to end before Balrog and L get to show up. LOL.

[MrZepher]

WTF IS THIS GAME.

VOTE: Benmage

[MrZepher]

It sounds like L recruited Balrog and Benmage to her neighborhood.

hurry up and vote Benmage. I have my wish formulated.

[MrZepher]

Your fault for choosing not to play to your given win condition.
You chose to play against my our condition.

You're getting lynched.
Thanks for playing.

[MrZepher]

Maybe L wished for something that backfired, which would leave Vifam and Kiwi as scum partners.

[MrZepher]

ACTUALLY CE is confirmed if I am.
I can confirm that he targeted me and that his alignment is town. derp.

[MrZepher]

Pretty much every single person in the world made a better wish than Vifam.

I think it would have been better if she actually got a real result.
LMAO.

[MrZepher]

WELP.
I wished to be vengeful for the night for the luls. I knew this game was already over.
And I thought I was going to die for the shenanigans I had after Day 1.

VOTE: Seanald

[MrZepher]

I don't believe that.

[MrZepher]

L, you never stated what your Wish was Night 1

[MrZepher]

You are not -L- last I checked.
I just wanted to make sure what it was in my head.

[MrZepher]

Balrog said he confirm your wish in what I assumed was response to me asked you to confirm what exactly your wish was.

I just said that I didn't ask him.

[MrZepher]

No ><
I was just making sure! It's completely irrelevant and is catering to my need to make sure all information is factual.
I already know you're town, I just wanted to know what specifically your wish was.

[MrZepher]

k.

[MrZepher]

BACKFIRE THE DUMBEST TOWNIES

FUCK YALL

you made literally the worst choices with that too lmao

[MrZepher]

Would have been easier to argue for if you had showed up Day 2 and if you weren't confirmed scum by PoE

[MrZepher]

Maybe consider giving scum a JOAT like role aimed specifically at countering wishes.

1-shot wishproof - cancels the use of a wish muffin. This way you block out a wish without depriving somebody of making a wish.
1-shot bonus backfire
1-shot wish copy machine - steals the effect of a wish