AMURIKA MAFIA - Game Over

[Hiraki]

y u guys no tells me that the game starts

u expectin me to do dis shit all on my own

ffs

Everyone else figured it out. I didn't expect you to be the "special" member of this group.
~Nacho

[Hiraki]

what if i am special nacho

now you feel bad

even if you're like 100% sure i'm not

you still feel bad because there's .000000000% chance.

Anywho, I'll write more later when I have the time.

[Hiraki]

I hope it's something relevant and you had nothing to say on Joel's post above yours?

Considering I was just skimming for a response from Nacho and I didn't even read the thread that much, thanks for assuming that I was reading at that moment I guess?

[Hiraki]

I'm making it now--sheesh. Patience is a virtue.

[Hiraki]

Your OMGUS failed, Om.

What?

Looks like we have an innocent child then.

Your analysis skills are overwhelming!

It might not be a groundbreaking revelation but at least it was something to comment on at a very early stage in the game; something that might provoke some sort of reaction, and it did.

I mean I guess any reaction can be good except if it's fundamentally bad.

Anyway, since you seem to have voted me for it I would like to hear how that post of mine is incompatible with town.

This isn't like a "ha, found you scum thing"

But you're certainly leaning like it is.

I hate my role.

We could trade accounts if you want. I mean just consider it.

Oh--wait this chamber2 fuck that.

-We've played in many many games around here and we still had to look up "Innocent Child". We don't think it's even remotely "self-evident".

Considering that the only name that comes to mind with Cyro is crypto and Nudist rings up a bell for like two seconds for some faraway person I've played with, I'm doubting both of those claims. At least one of those are false.

Besides, did everyone else know it was an Innocent Child?

-Pressure Votes carry 0 merit when you immediately say "I don't think he's Scum" and cave at the 1st sign of resistance calling it a page1 pressure Vote.

How is this scummy at all? This just means he's voting badly.

All this said, I'm not sure Bulb deserves my vote right now.

Not sure what I think about this but it hurts.

If you could Quote where we said that you are Scum, we'd be grateful.

Are you fucking serious?

Why would it be bad?

Because now he's a target.

Noobscum likes to do this a lot.

Speaking of which... Joel, you join the largest wagon and then vote for a no lynch?! Seriously!?

Are you seriously FoSing him for this? You literally have 0 support for your wagon. While I did agree with the target, the logic was definitely not hand-in-hand.

With that in light, FoS: joelsdaman1.

fffffff--

Plus, I'm not sure why people think I'm a noob...I've played this game for a while, but not on this site.

Yes I'm sure AdventureTime Mafia on Adverturetime.v1zerzion.net was a great site (Isn't that what all the crappy forums work on?) for mafia but this is mafiascum.

You are a noob.

Because that was a pretty scummy response to some very light probing.

Could've sworn you were probing for town reads. Oh well.

I mean if someone else cut your finger and you did that I'd be happy. But Joel did it.

He seriously called you out to fight and you just shot a gun towards his head. Shame.

Yeah, Joel is the lynch today.
VOTE: Joel

Yeah, who the fuck are you?

What is with the rush to end day phases so quickly?

New fetish, apparently.

I only know it from offsite, never seen it here before.

Okay, here's where I actually explain the problem. See, you could easily wiki roles and finally find the Innocent Child with ease (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... gory:Roles ; Sure you might have to look but wah the answer isn't as easy as you expected)

And sure, most people here knew the Innocent Child role excluding some newbies.

The problem was that he attempted to make the role look like it was super special while it's just an uncommon normal role.

Why do you think he went after SK instead of you?

What part of noob doesn't scream that FoS is an actual scum tactic to avoid voting, something they need to do anyway?

At least if he's not a noob in your opinion, what part doesn't scream out bad logic rather than scum? This is why I'm a bit suspicious of SK at the moment. SK seems like he's taking advantage of the obvious newbie.

This day sure is progressing nicely.

Don't be straggling along now. I have a super duper scum read on you for your lurk tactics.

If I must I'll reveal my role (if that's allowed).

Am I?

I'm sure a bazillion people pounced on this on the next page but this is just dumbdumb tactic. Surely by now people should realize that joel is a noobzorz.

Okay--so I want everyone to like actually try to think for a moment.

Joel gives you a source and what do you do? Do you check to see if it's credible?

I do not know AHarlequinn nor do I have any grievances against him but here's a little snippet from the forum:

(Let's see what sort of things Playdip comes up with!)

...you start double-checking your e-mails to make sure you don't sound like you're plotting against the recipient.

...you try to figure out which of your friends is least likely to have someone save them. Just in case.

...you get defensive and eye your teachers suspiciously if they mention "group roles" and "discussion outside of class."

...you try to convince madmen and serial killers to help you take on the mob.

...you start voting on the presidential candidate you most want to see dead.

This should seriously give you some idea on why Joel plays different from the regular mafiascum meta.

FFS guys get off this dude. Your scumtells in this case are ineffective.

This seems scummy to me, joel. It seems like you're resigned to being lynched already. "Meh, just kill me and get it over with!" is how I interpret it.

Please stop ignoring it, please please.

You're flip-flopping in almost all of your posts. That's not scumhunt.

I'm sure that scum is seriously this oblivious.

That being said, I'm not ready to believe that Joel is a VI just yet, mainly because of how willing he is to shift suspicion onto almost anybody else.

FFFFFFFFFF---

I was going to join a newbie game, but I already played a few times and figured I could handle it.

But, yes, this site is fairly different than playdiplomacy.

So wait a minute.

You figured it out.

But then you admit that the site is different from playdiplomacy.

So your thought process was that you were good enough to make the transition to a game that has a moderately established players.

This is bad. This is noobzorz logic.

[Hiraki]

Why is it that I can't find this quote anywhere in my iso?

Probably a misquote--my bad. It happens from time to time. It was about you though so I mean it sort of redeems it (not really...)

That's nice to know, and also incredibly underwhelming.

Vote: Chamber2

YEAH TAKE IT.

But I'm not retarded just because I'm new.

Literally the worst way you could take it considering I was defending you the entire time but w/e.

unvote, Vote: SK

[Hiraki]

It was more of a general statement, not an attack.

Well it's true though.

If you expect to be a boss after doing anything the first time, you're just asking to fall on your ass fast.

It's not what people say, but how they say it.

How do you get Yoda from this quote?

Maybe if we was like,

"Not it is, what people say; yet say it, how is"

but w/e

Currently giving a + to Hiraki, because despite wall quotes his comments are relevant.

As irrelevant as some parts were, there's still a wagon on Joel.

That's bad.

[Hiraki]

Because it's for all of the wrong reasons.

Do you think an FoS is scummy Chamber2?

[Hiraki]

die die die sk sk sk

@Chamber: The problem with the Joel idea is that it's fundamentally wrong.

Joel is voting someone because he believes that FoS' are bad. He's not voting because someone FoS'd instead of voting. The later would be psuedo-acceptable as a reaction test. Not really as a real vote.

With Joel's idea, he believes that an FoS is scummy by nature. This is

his

opinion which I believe spews from the playdiplomacy site (side note: I think FoS' are ineffective but good for organizing reads and getting clarity. much more null than oriented). On the other hand, everyone here thinks that is wrong is voting him on that. It's just wrong wrong wrong.

[Hiraki]

i have a fever

and the only death

[Hiraki]

But let's talk 4realz SK.

Why are you voting Joel, right now?

And also do you know the alts of CyroNudist?

[Hiraki]

Can you cite where joel's behavior has been suspicious?

[Hiraki]

EWBOP: Thought you might know, to answer your question.

[Hiraki]

But he's a noobzorz.

It's like doctrine that all noobs over-react.

Even slightly, no?

[Hiraki]

While we're at it, do you think he's town, or just that he's not scum?

Leaning toward town due to the speed of the wagon but to be fair I haven't overly been looking at that.

[Hiraki]

oi gorgon

this might be stupid for me to ask and only realize now

but are you moi?

[Hiraki]

EWBOP: MoS?

[Hiraki]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Hiraki]

Arc and Cyro are both town (though I trust the latter, least)

Om is susceptible and SK still needs to die

did I miss anything?

[Hiraki]

EWBOP: Bulba is also prob. town

So that leaves chamber (prob. scum), DansAdvent (hasn't posted enough),

goodmorning

(town. the fuck is wrong with me), Gorgon (null atm), joel (null atm after reading some more. honestly not sure how to tell his alignment. that'd seriously be the only justification for a d1 lynch), peregrine (yeah null)

so 4 people after this if om and sk are not the scum team

but i'm flawless bitches so i'm prob. right

[Hiraki]

I remember he's here I just don't know why he's posted some of the stuff he's said.

Mainly, from today:

Link me your last town and scum flipped game.

So here's my big problem with this.
A) PeregrineV's last game could be a bad example.
B) Om knows the above is true and will manipulate it.

Not to mention that Om could do it himself. I mean when it's something meta related, why would you even think of giving the other person the opportunity to defend themselves against it? That's just asking to be swayed or be wrong basically.

[Hiraki]

EWBOP: Replace PeregrineV with Gorgon. Whoops!

[Hiraki]

No, why?

[Hiraki]

guys

I've done this at least 3 times now

where I've called chamber scum

not even that i even gave like the most subtle but actual hint ever

so 4 people after this if om and sk are not the scum team

chamber, gorgon, DansAdvent, joel, peregrine

you people are not reading

[Hiraki]

Hiraki please explain why I am scum.

only scum ask stupid questions

[Hiraki]

goodmorning plz

it's been pretty obvious that either their alt skills are maaaaaaad good to the point where they're practically just saying they're a hydra with as an actual disjointed twin (yknow like the one on tlc)

or he's a noob trying to fake it out and failing hard (this is the correct answer)

he honestly asked after I explained that I was joking

if I'm that bad

besides if you can find me one hydra that consistently uses "we" in their posts as much as CryoNudist, i'll give you 10 Linden dollars

Pre-Edit: You can't link/discuss/anything about Ongoing-Games. Cryo should be modkilled but that's up the mod to have mercy on his soul.

[Hiraki]

Oh, wow! Little quick to jump there. No need to prompt mod to do you some favor. I don't like this.

Also I'm unclear on the rules about games. Is it that you can't discuss ongoing games that you're in, or you can't discuss any ongoing games, even if you're not in them? I ask, because Cryo is not in that game, so I'm not sure if it is against the rules or not.

are you guys

seriously

reading

this game

[Hiraki]

Joel is town chambersan

listen to your feelings chamber

join the sk wagon

[Hiraki]

to prove my guilt

A newbie would make a bad phrasing mistake like this.

Gah....fuck.

I'll think the day on it.

[Hiraki]

By saying prove my guilt

you are literally saying that he's trying to prove that you're guilty, something you should not be

[Hiraki]

@Nacho: Is there a deadline?

Day ends Feburary 19.
~Nacho

[Hiraki]

Joel, stop noobing it up and making mad accusations.

It's fine to have rage as an ally in an accusation only if it's justified by the content you have behind it.

All you have right now is that you kind of look like a protester.

But oi

SK

would you be willing to sport an Om lynch

[Hiraki]

Also, Hiraki, why did you defend Joel like you did? Everyone else had a clear stance one way or another, but you were wishy washy on the subject.

No I wasn't?

I did a little sway at the end for poor phrasing but I pretty much consistently called him town.

Also, I'm going to defend someone I think is town.

[Hiraki]

Jason?

goodmorning

do you know who cyronudist is?

[Hiraki]

k guys

let's look at the holy grail list

So that leaves chamber (prob. scum), DansAdvent (hasn't posted enough), Gorgon (null atm),

joel (null atm after reading some more. honestly not sure how to tell his alignment. that'd seriously be the only justification for a d1 lynch)

, peregrine (yeah null)

one of these or SK/Jason now

need to die

[Hiraki]

Also why are you so obsessed with Cyro's composition?

It's my 3rd party wincon

Hiraki: Remind me again why you're calling me scum. As far as I can recall, it was for my actions toward your poster townboy joel, who just so happens to have flipped scum.

Just because he flipped scum doesn't make the action inherently bad.

But I will admit I'd rather get rid of DansAdvent.

[Hiraki]

Alright, fuck it.

I was decently sure on my Bulba townread.

Bulba, why do you continue to ask me the same useless questions?

Let's say I actually thought that the game was bastard and chamber wasn't confirmed.

Do you think I'm ACTUALLY going to get a wagon on him?

FFS.

Unvote, Vote: Bulba

He's trying to get a wagon on me and save his ass and it's fucking obvious.

so that's right motherfuckers

hiraki is goin' super saiyan

expect more later

[Hiraki]

Read the fucking game then.

This was a good 3 page discussion when it should've been a 3 post response and reply.

[Hiraki]

This is null stupid no matter what Bulb's alignment is.

It reeks of experienced trying to look noobie.

[Hiraki]

because I thought Cryo was handling the matter well and that it would be out of his system d1.

So this assumes that you thought I was serious, even though I said I was never serious.

and I would like a straight answer from him for once in this game.

You're fucking dead.

Look--I am

really

sure that Bulba has to be an experienced trying to make it out that he's not experienced.

Here's an RVS example:

If you could Quote where we said that you are Scum, we'd be grateful.

So why are you voting me if you don't think I am scum?

Basically, Bulba had used a strawman here--it's obvious. He thinks that the only way Cryo can vote him is if they call him scum

on page 2

In post 38, PeregrineV wrote:
Are you scum?


Do you seriously expect anyone to answer that?

Another example. Bulba gives a crappy answer later that he doesn't realize it's rhetorical but really?

Really?

Meanwhile this is the guy has said some of the most logical things in the game:

How is voting badly scummy? Scum will make bad votes or votes that they know are not true, but that doesn't mean ALL bad votes are scummy. I've seen many town players make what would be considered bad votes, simply because they believed in what they were saying at the time. I've also seen town players with a bad vote or reason to vote actually hit scum. Bad votes by themselves ARE NOT inherently scummy. This is an example of the HBA fallacy.

What's your read on Gorgon?

I'll need to help out in Superstorm

Finding

Nemo but when I come back, expect terror.

Again, I want to see what Bulb himself says about all this before I add my piece, but let's just say I think you're loco.

Oh--totally am.

What exactly did I do, again?

Seemed like a bit of bad offensive toward him. But that was early game and I'm letting that go. Not sure of my read on you now.

[Hiraki]

and reading it over again

by offensive I mean in terms of defensive and offensive, not like insulting

[Hiraki]

EBWOP: I mean, it wasn't that strong a push, but still.

[Hiraki]

with 4 votes

i don't need your support, bro (n.b. i'm not taking any claim for starting the wagon)

[Hiraki]

On the other hand, your case on him is just asinine.

I'm working on it--like I said earlier.

[Hiraki]

120 is why Hiraki is scum. As I said earlier all of the "GUYZ GUYZ he's noobz" is such a soft defense without actually having to take a stance on his alignment, then repeated "joel wagon is bad" later on D1, again no stance on actual alignment is scum behavior.

Yes please, I remember when a wagon on someone who said all FoS' are bad must be subjected to the same tells on mafiascum to the highest degree.

[Hiraki]

because me and him are bros and i mean i'm obvious scum

[Hiraki]

Have you ever seen scum try to pull something like that? I sure haven't, to my knowledge.

It's not common, I'll admit that much.

However, the circumstances almost look perfect--not too good to be true.

[Hiraki]

I have a full 5 hour break tonight.

Expect the ultra-huge post that is in development hell to be completed by tonight.

[Hiraki]

k bitchez

lez do it

Bulba:

Problems here.
Second through Fifth Posts are all defense.

These are early accusations here

Not to mention, ISO2 is scummy.

I just want to get out of RVS so I can get some actual good reads, and if that involves a wagon on me, fine.

no srz guys its ok to vote me if you eventually get off

YET, two posts later.

Interesting. I walk away for a couple of hours and the wagon builds up to L-2. Chances of lynching scum d1 increasing...

So is it really okay?

(p.s. no it's not)

Why?

It's a fucking RVS vote. Shit, how did I miss this stuff?

Like literally this post (ISO 5) is basically why Bulba is faking noobiness. I want everyone to read that and then read the rest of his ISO (read that as ISO 11, 18, 20--and that's me literally just skimming)

guys, there's literally a multitude of justice points if you join the bulba wagon

i can't stress it anymore

chamber

is still scum

especially for calling me scum

little prick

(deal is still on if you want to change main accounts)

Cryo

is a town hydra that needs to learn to hydra better (read ISO 19 and 20--literally saying the same thing but use different formatting)

it's pretty easy to distinguish the two

Let's go with B and C for the moment

B posts more in quotes

C posts more in more lazy formatting (as in @ and dashes)

While B's posts are actually decent, they reek of noobnoob (read ISO 19 where he literally addresses the most useless points of my post)

C is a bit of a douche but eh

i'm the last person who can complain

DansAdvent

is still nullzorz

he's like me but unfortunately i actually care about this game

goodmorning

is my duuuuuuuuuuuuuude

literally have nothing to post about him except we are allies of the cause

Gorgon

is iffy

he comes off as town for ISO 8 and 9 but literally a baby could apologize for making a bad mafia mistake

it's more of a gut thing at this point

but I find no real reason to believe that joel is lying about it or misrepresenting what goes on there when he knows that this is in theory easy to check

Just to note, since I missed this in block of text skimming deluxe

but this is literally the dumbest logic ever (part like 9 now)

just because something is easy to do doesn't mean that people will do it

if i tell you that a guy has a penis, will you check if he has one?

Last town flipped game is easy. In fact I already linked to it, but since you ask, here it is again.

this is kind of why i wanted/want om to die, we'll go to him next since after re-reading gorgon i am still ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Om

is still scummy

As questionable as his posting is, I'm not really getting scum vibes from Hiraki.

Meanwhile

I still haven't heard from you about it. Nor have I read an actual SK case from you.

Oh, wow! Little quick to jump there. No need to prompt mod to do you some favor. I don't like this.

Which was basically asking for mod-kill.

(since when is

should

asking for a modkill

last time i checked should is still pretty indefinite)

but yeah

om had a problem with me

randomly lost it after it became non-hipster with chamber

needs death

Jason

is a pretty cool dude

but we usually agree on everything regardless of alignment

so i'm going to wait a bit before doing anything here

Konowa

never liked his postings but personal preference

he's prob. town but wrong

I honestly can't sway him because I was pretty sure on my Joel townread and it does look scummy as fuck so I don't mind him

it's just wrong

PeregrineV

well i used to hate his postings but he's improved

yay i guess

Konowa leaning scum because I don't like his Hiraki/GM reads, but I can follow his reasoning, so that's in flux.

dunno if i'd agree with the read

which is kind of why he's definitely town

but yeah basically this is the same thing as that fucking list

so please stop making me write

and just trust my lists

[Hiraki]

please

C

continue your bad humor

[Hiraki]

IKR it's so annoying reading you cause of this, also you realize me and Om are the same slot right?

forgot

[Hiraki]

needs to die

[Hiraki]

is more likely to come from a buddy

so was it gut

or not?

[Hiraki]

Looking at the wagons, I might be able to support PeregrineV but I'm not very set on Jason or Konowa(the latter being a definite no-no for today)

Can anyone give me a better case on Jason than "he's been on and off lurking?"

he's been doing that in several games.

[Hiraki]

1.) Om implied several people were scummy without putting any pressure on them or taking a definitive stance on them, something he wrongly criticized Gorgon for earlier in d1. He implied that Gorgon was scummy for not putting Joel at L-1 early in d1. He implied that Morning was scummy for pressuring AA9. He thought that Hiraki was acting scummy, even though he stated that he did not think he was scum, and then followed that up by saying that he could be in a scum team with me, therefore implying I was scum as well. Finally, at the start of his conversation with SK, he implied that she was scummy as well.

>implied

2.) Om said that AA9 was town BECAUSE Joel was scum. There are 2 things wrong with this. First, his absolute certainty that Joel was scum. There was no if here. Second, his reason for AA9 being town didn't track, as Morning refuted it immediately. Most everyone else thought that AA9 was scum partners with Joel, including myself, who thought I saw evidence of chainsaw defending in AA9's posts. Konowa is wrong in his assertion that AA9's flip only benefited Morning's argument against Om/Jason, as the flip would have given credence to Om's post calling AA9 town and Joel scum, thus giving him town cred. This is further supported by Jason going out of his way to highlight the fact that AA9 did indeed flip town, again as a way to gain town cred.

This is a illogical statement, not a scummy one.

3.) Om and Jason's votes have been opportunistic. Om was the fourth vote on the Joel wagon for sheeped reasons. Likewise, Jason was the fourth vote on my wagon for a bad reason as well (He voted me because I was asking Hiraki questions.). Jason's vote reads as opportunistic on a growing wagon, much like Om's reads as a bussing attempt on an idiot scum partner.

Repeat questioning either shows someone isn't reading, or they are trying to get an answer that suits them that they can jump on, at this point i can see bulb doing the latter

Yeah. Not really.

4.) As I've mentioned before, I found Om's exchange with SK horribly scummy bad. Within a few short posts, he misrepped SK in an attempt to make her look scummy, he backpedaled when she pressured him about his reasoning, and finally he deflected the course of questioning by changing the subject when SK continued to apply pressure. It was at this point that my scum read on Om began.

This is Om, who I'm seriously not interested in.

5.) This point was not part of my original case, but I feel as I should make it now, since it is both recent and relevant. Jason recently refused to answer one of Konowa's questions. A desire to hamper discussion is a major scum tell for me, and discussion is furthered by questions. Jason's refusal to contribute to discussion just screams scum.

Who else is scum?

I'd refuse to answer this question as well, so nope.jpg

[Hiraki]

ok

[Hiraki]

uh

there's 10 days left in the day

if you're literally compromising due to lack of activity

then you pay

[Hiraki]

Wasn't Jason who you're referencing in that post.

[Hiraki]

yes

because when you're modconfirmed town

you should literally lead with your cock in the air like you just don't care

because you know

you're infallible

[Hiraki]

yes i forgot when one person's opinion was really that important when he's already confirmed town

[Hiraki]

pssh let's be honest peregrine

the cheeky aspect never goes away

[Hiraki]

i have a report that he ate pizza on friday

[Hiraki]

Who is Friday and why is he taking possession of ARE?

[Hiraki]

yes reg

we've gone over this

don't think you've found something special

[Hiraki]

Reg, you literally quoted Jason where he called me out for this.

Also, no, I wanted Om dead. Don't try to mangle the words so it looks nice in the end when you and I both know that I thought Om was still in the game.

The only new thing is Peregrine.

[Hiraki]

Reg, you literally quoted Jason where he called me out for this.

Also, no, I wanted Om dead. Don't try to mangle the words so it looks nice in the end when you and I both know that I thought Om was still in the game.

The only new thing is Peregrine.

[Hiraki]

518 was more of damage control for making a mistake.

I don't really care if you believe me or not.

Jason is town. Okay?

[Hiraki]

Let me make sure I understand what you're saying. You read through, found Om scummy and found Jason null. When asked from him what your overall read was at the time you said scum that needs to die (But this was a lie and you had a town-read on him at the time based of neither his or his predecessors posts?)

Not necessarily a lie but a quick rebuttal where I had not fully examined all possibilities.

Basically, I was going with the idea that Om's scumminess went onto Jason, regardless of my view on Jason, which I do not believe is the case now.

And you still haven't explained why you flipped on Peregrine.

might support=/=scumread

[Hiraki]

Out of the 2, I prefer Hiraki. He's been extremely anti-town this entire game and has not been contributing to the discussion at all.

Yet, I have. You just think I'm annoying is the real translation of this statement.

The only reason I've never voted him was because I thought he might be a neutral party. However, I trust Reg's read on this.

You've switched your read on me multiple times. You're looking for a wagon and then when it disappears, so does your read on me. Please don't try to justify it with Reg's read.

You first changed your read on me when Konowa voted me (From neutral to slightly scummish)

Now, it's scum when the confirmed town hops on?

Give me a break.

[Hiraki]

Like I said before, I have no grievances if you lynch me based on Joel's ideals. I called a scumzorz town and went waaaay too hard on it like I usually do and this gambit failed.

However, the Joel claim is false because the initial viewer (i.e. cyro--what a surprise) didn't realize that Joel doesn't directly mention a lot of people but indirectly mentions them by being the next post.

EX: ISO 15, 16, literally every post in his ISO without quote tags.

[Hiraki]

^thanks for proving my point

[Hiraki]

newbhydra makes newb mistake

let's move onto bulba, thanks

[Hiraki]

I'm seeing Hiraki going into full panic mode at this point.

Yes, between three posts he can see me going into a breakdown

like literally guys

lynch me and i'll cry

Since then, he's attacked several of his accusers.

Quotes thanks because this is false

It was the inconsistency in his statement concerning his read on Joel. I dislike how quickly Jason jumped on Cryo and accused him of misrepping.

are you fucking serious

do i need to put this in baby words where i quote the two posts so you see what he says?

he a fucking town read on me. you don't have to be daft to see it.

Oh I appreciate the defense, don't get me wrong.

It was more of a general statement, not an attack.

>appreciate the defense

instead of saying something negative

but wait bulba says

this is literally the only time he references you

but wait hiraki says

he's had a bandwagon and i'm defending him because he's (well I thought) not scum

maybe he should've given me some thanks though so bulba would be a bit happier with seeing real concrete stuff

fun fact: Joel only called two people town and those were bulba and om

yet joel is nubscum

wagonwagonwagonwagon

[Hiraki]

just didn't read into it in a great amount of detail.

I'd expect this level of bullshit from cryo

but um

really

[Hiraki]

Pretty sure when you do bad work and get a bad result, it's pretty close to misrepping. Sure, it may not be to the letter but it's pretty damn close.

[Hiraki]

Do you have any sense of when you might be wrong?

Even

I

have that, and see when you try to copy me, you better try to do it correctly.

Now, shouldn't you be consulting your other head or something before posting? Or is that not a thing anymore?

[Hiraki]

I believe those are attacks on Cryo, Dan, and myself.

You need to specify then because there's a difference between an attack and a cheeky jesture.

Not to mention, those were all after the aforementioned post so gj there bud. (oh wait, that's an attack though..hmm...er...should I rephrase this now?!?!?)

You didn't call Joel town all day d1.

OK. AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHERE IT REALLY MATTERS, I DID.

As town, I'd expect you'd look at the result and go "well, I called that one wrong" or talk about how Joel was noob scum, showing that your opinion of him really hasn't changed in regard to his play. Instead you're saying "Joel was scumzorz", or translated for those who don't speak Hiraki gibberish: "Joel was the scummiest scum to ever set foot in scumville."

1) You don't tell "megibberish" because you can't deduce in every simple post where I called Joel a noob, I was also

indirectly

calling him town. What's this Bulba from the future/brain? That's circular logic because if I indirectly call him town I can indirectly call him scum? Woah! Good thinking! Almost like the time where I thought about voting him and called him null for one post for the idea that I can't figure him out because he doesn't follow Mafiascum meta. Woah! Logic! It hurts, doesn't it?!?!

2) I did call it wrong. That's why I've continually said "I'm OK if you lynch me because I rode on Jason too hard. I really thought he was scum." Before you go Control F-ing for that yourself, I'll go ahead and quote it.

I did a little sway at the end for poor phrasing but I pretty much consistently called him town.

Also, I'm going to defend someone I think is town.

I honestly can't sway him because I was pretty sure on my Joel townread and it does look scummy as fuck so I don't mind him

Like I said before, I have no grievances if you lynch me based on Joel's ideals. I called a scumzorz town and went waaaay too hard on it like I usually do and this gambit failed.

3) It's a gambit because I'm going against the leading wagon. If I am wrong, which I am, it looks like I was doing some hardcore defense of a scumbuddy. This is the part where I say "I see I fucked up, not sure how that happened, but even I don't have a 100% hit marker"

[Hiraki]

No. Gambit isn't the perfect term but it's the only term I think that'll fit.

I'm using gambit in the sense that if I am wrong, I'm fucked even if I believe that it's 100% true.

[Hiraki]

Actually, they were before.

Ok, but you still didn't address the second point and say how it was scummy.

Scumslip

Yeah, I mixed up two names so it was a scumslip. I mean, it's not like they have anything in common. Like being real names.

[Hiraki]

You never asked me to say how it was scummy.

Well please, tell me something and don't answer it.

And yes, it is me being cheeky.

Please tell me how saying "^this proves my point" and the other posts contribute to me being scummy.

[Hiraki]

Oh yes, forgot when someone literally says "^scumpost" that I am seriously derailing their argument.

Especially when in that "scumpost", I'm addressing the same argument that Cryo made.

But really, don't mind it! It's not like it's important to acknowledge that I was just copying them!

[Hiraki]

i dunno where you think i'm at l-1 goodmorning

but there's a vc right there

whoever said I was l-1 was lying

[Hiraki]

I'm a VT--Eric Smith.

i hope you were joking about that test doohickey.

Also,

compromise vote

Unvote, Vote: DansAdvent

[Hiraki]

LAC, just so we can use that later.

[Hiraki]

I think I know where you're going at

and i'll just say

That I'm Just a Kid; Life is a Nightmare.

[Hiraki]

Yes, he totally scumslipped there.

FFS, Bulba.

[Hiraki]

Are you a VT then?

Answer what LAC means.

[Hiraki]

Hiraki: Out of curiosity, what's yours say?

Eric.

[Hiraki]

Hiraki, it's in p1 in the town sample PM. Also, I see yours as well so disregard our question to you in our previous post.

No one actually said this so you destroyed the purpose.

[Hiraki]

mother teresa isn't even american

Vote: Bulbazak

Neither is Regfan, but I let him in here anyways.
~Nacho

[Hiraki]

how about this

if 3 people vote me

i'll do a magic trick

but it can only happen if three people vote me

[Hiraki]

(Which is him self-hammering)

isn't it 5 to lynch

besides no that's not it

[Hiraki]

i don't play cheaply

[Hiraki]

kekekekekekekekekekeke

bad move scumzorz

Great beast of the sky, please hear my cry.
Transform thyself from orb of light and bring me vicotry in this fight.
Unlock your powers from deep within, so that together we may win.
Envelop the deserts with your glow, and cast your rage upon my foe.
Appear in this shadow game as I call your name:
Winged Dragon of Ra!

you see i need 3 sacrifices to summon ra

and i have three people voting me

and if you think this is a troll

i've literally won every game with the winged dragon (considering it's two, it's not that bad)

so get ready

i'm literally going to rape this shit

So, Winged Dragon. I sacrifice 7900 Lifepoints and we are going to make a Town Win.

I realize that this is just a speech atm

but this will be my comeback

[Hiraki]

yeah i totally just called everyone who was voting me scum.

Care to reveal your little flip on me now?

[Hiraki]

Sooooooo.. I am so not reading thirty pages. And mass claiming on day three while not being in LyLo/MyLo seems wrong unless I'm missing something. Someone catch me up, please?

You should have noticed it if you'd read the game though?

herp derp

Hiraki, that Ra thing is getting kinda old (and you only seem to do it in games i am in as well).

Just a coincidence.

[Hiraki]

Can you explain your flip on me then?

Because if people aren't going for a Bulba lynch, which is what it seems, I am more than happy to compromise on you.

[Hiraki]

First off, our calling you town based off your claim was us being short sighted and not realizing that scum (you) have fake claims given to you.

How do you know this?

[Hiraki]

Lol

Unvote, Vote: CryoNudist

scum gone dun slipped

[Hiraki]

wait you mean

you're taking someone elses post

that implies that scum fake claims might exist

without that other person flipping

means that fake claims exist

and that it's not really that hard to make a fakeclaim on a game where literally "the cat that you can't hit in Metal gear rising" could be a claim

are you literally also trying to outguess claims due to names on the same basis

[Hiraki]

ask myself

something that my scumread is asking me to do

also take a "gift" from the same person

ok

What I'm saying in my last post is that you're basically trying to use the same thing that you basically invalidated with the idea of fake claims as a way to find scum.

I'll admit that the whole "you're assuming that they have fake claims" was a bit of a reaction test. I thought he wasn't voting me so it failed in that sense.

I'm keeping it due to his last post.

[Hiraki]

you've called the mod confirmed townie

you are really pushing my buttonsnow

[Hiraki]

He's incredibly obvtown and not just from his interaction with Joel and Joels interaction with him but the whole fiasco where he thought he could catch scum via segments of the role PM.

Like I said, before I did think he was town. Until today.

[Hiraki]

I've been dabbling on the idea of Jason. Ask me tomorrow.

[Hiraki]

Alright, let me try a shot at this.

Jason. When did you target Joel? You target at night, right?

[Hiraki]

I'm testing out a theory.

[Hiraki]

Actually, no. Jason's lying. I don't need to test out my theory. It's not worth it.

Jason has a point, anyone who's modkilled dies. That's completely true.

What he forgot is what also happens.

They're turned into Neutral Survivors.

Unvote, Vote: Jason

[Hiraki]

But you realize that my logic is precise, right?

If what you're saying is true, you're a neutral survivor.

[Hiraki]

Jason.

I really really really want Bulba dead

in fact the reason i'm fluctuating so much

is because no one agrees with half of my scumreads

and i'm starting to take that into account nowadays

as in "if no one agrees, you could be wrong"

regfan

you want bulba dead

right

[Hiraki]

Hiraki when I flip 1-shot strongman you better realization your being stupid and lunch bulb.

But wouldn't you flip "Bored Patriot" or whatever your role says, and not "1-shot strongman"? You supposedly only gained that ability, not the role itself.

And what exactly is your case on me? All I'm seeing so far is a lot of OMGUS and AtE.

Unvote, Vote: Bulba

Guys. Now.

[Hiraki]

I'm fine with either of their lynches if I recall correctly.

I mean optimal is Bulba but I'm able to compromise in this situation where I am a bit confused more than the usual.

[Hiraki]

cyro actually does something good for once

Unvote, Vote: PV

[Hiraki]

I'm not buying it.

[Hiraki]

he said his description was about ketchup and mayo

that literally has nothing to do with homelessness

i mean i'll do bulba

but yknow make sure you get rid of pv and gorgon after

[Hiraki]

are you serious

when you claim

you claim everything important

especially something you've already hinted at

[Hiraki]

I've also been deliberately avoiding posting too often in this particular game as it is something I tend to do, and I need to teach myself that sometimes it's better to just wait until you really have something to say.

the lynchpool

it yearns for death

Unvote, Vote: Gorgon

(regfan, do not pussy out of this por favor)

[Hiraki]

This isn't an issue with things making sense.

This is an issue with PV being consistent.

[Hiraki]

says the guy who has the longest span of silence

[Hiraki]

so you're sticking by a vigkill theory without the vig claiming?

[Hiraki]

Because a 3-scum team with 2 deaths on N1 is pretty dumb.

Fuck, just mixed up games.

[Hiraki]

I thought this was a different game

where two people died on N1

therefore, i confused you with someone else due to seeming to have the same thoughts on different situations

[Hiraki]

Very good posts by Gorgon and we like the thought process.

Can you emphasize where or should I be realizing this is more of a "wow look at that" post (i.e. bullshit post).

[Hiraki]

he called the three people voting him scum

I've already addressed this, no?

[Hiraki]

Vote: Bulba

Can we lynch him

now?

[Hiraki]

his statement of vig/sk and that he mixed games up in this isn't possible - there's no such game.

I do have an ongoing game with a vig. I'm not going into it more.

I've said that I've addressed a majority of his accusations already.

[Hiraki]

Oh, okay. Yeah it ended.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... start=1125

That's a my bad but still this really doesn't matter.

[Hiraki]

Because I forgot it ended?

Again, still really shouldn't matter that much.

[Hiraki]

This back and forth has bothered me for awhile. It starts out with typical IC is scum and devolves into the biggest "what the crap?" moment I've experienced thus far in mafia.

Why isn't this guy dead?

[Hiraki]

All three are still pretty good targets. Less so on Peregrine and moreso on goodmorning after seeing how his chillness has floated away but I mean yknow. It's not a huge tell. My main reads are on Bulba and Gorgon at the moment. My accusations against you were mainly reactionary/annoyed.

[Hiraki]

EWBOP: I was talking more about my lynchpool, not yours. Forgot about that. Out of those three, Gorgon requires the most death.

[Hiraki]

Bulba wasn't in your lynchpool?

[Hiraki]

Only one thing is for certain, today's lynch pool includes only 3 people: Hiraki, PV, and Gorgon.

You asked me about your lynchpool.

I told you what I thought about

your

lynchpool.

[Hiraki]

So the correct response was to shove my own views in your lynchpool rather than just saying what I thought about your lynchpool as is?

I'm so glad that at least one of your heads altleaked.

[Hiraki]

That Bulb post is the very same post that I was explaining why I found townish above, so Hiraki definitely owes an answer to Cryo's question.

Because it's dumb. It's just me and PeregrineV fooling around. Let's say we are scumbuds (and I realize this is uber WIFOM), then why would we do it so obviously? I mean do you think we are both total shit?

I'm going to give a list later.

[Hiraki]

If you're going to lynch me, then do it.

I need time, which I don't have a lot of anymore unforunately and unexpectedly. To make things simple, I'm basically going by my lynchpool.

The case on me can basically be summed up to either:
A) Hard defense of Joel
B) Mixing Up Games

B) is mainly just a dumb idea brought up by Cryo that he'll probably just feel more enraged for me calling it dumb (i.e. what it is)

A) is a decent argument. I have nothing to say against it. I fucked up, Joel was scum. If I'm going to have to take the fall for it so this game can start working again, then so be it.

[Hiraki]

B wasn't brought up by Cryo, for one. For two, what do you have to say to:

Two people died N1 too? It was a bit of shitvig action.

General unhelpfulness/fluffposting.

Is this DLC?

[Hiraki]

If any of what you just posted made any sense this game would instantly be 200% more sane.

I'm saying you just added that just to make your case look shinier. It's dumb.

[Hiraki]

Maybe early-game I was a bit fluffy but yes, I'd say that I haven't mainly been fluffposting.

I'm not saying my play has been outstanding this game but you guys are seriously undermining my efforts.

[Hiraki]

Vengekill: Bulba

Now, follow my new lynchpool: Goodmorning, Gorgon.

Game should be over by then.

[Hiraki]

Town and trolling.

But follow the order anyway.