Mini 1432: Clue Master Detective (Game Over)

serrapaladin · Post Post #24 (isolation #0) » Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:07 pm

Oh, this is gonna be fun.

Hi fuzzy. Hi all.

VOTE: Malakittens for blatantly cute AtE.

serrapaladin · Post Post #31 (isolation #1) » Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:58 am

So do you think Shos' vote is RVS then?

serrapaladin · Post Post #37 (isolation #2) » Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:39 am

Tell me more about how calling a kitten cute makes me scum.

serrapaladin · Post Post #39 (isolation #3) » Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:58 am

In post 38, Malakittens wrote:turn it into something serious

Just because I used the term AtE doesn't make my vote any less RVS than yours. No one would actually believe posting a kitten makes someone scummy, hence I'm obviously kidding, hence you're being unnecessarily defensive.

Wanna discuss fuzzy instead?

serrapaladin · Post Post #43 (isolation #4) » Fri Mar 15, 2013 6:34 am

Take it as a sign of affection - plus you make a great early wagon.

In this case, I haven't even said anything against you yet

serrapaladin · Post Post #63 (isolation #5) » Fri Mar 15, 2013 10:32 am

@mod: conventional VC's make VCA much easier by being able to ISO you

Hey Jen, I feel sad you don't want to be my friend. With all the juicy stuff going on (kinda), why is my RVS vote the thing you decide to hone in on? Did you actually take it serious while reading? Why's Mala town?

Shos' case is cool, I'd like to see people comment on it.

Mollie, thoughts on Shos and his case?

serrapaladin · Post Post #75 (isolation #6) » Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:42 pm

What do you think of much the same play by fuzzy?

serrapaladin · Post Post #77 (isolation #7) » Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:43 pm

serrapaladin · Post Post #81 (isolation #8) » Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:55 pm

Except the only thing you've done that could vaguely be classified as scumhunting is attack my RVS vote. Asking people a completely generic question isn't going to prompt many scumslips, nor will it actually boost their activity, but it'll make you look as though those are your goals.

serrapaladin · Post Post #88 (isolation #9) » Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:30 pm

Defense against what?...

serrapaladin · Post Post #91 (isolation #10) » Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:37 pm

So the defense you were looking for was naysaying? That's not particularly helpful...

serrapaladin · Post Post #99 (isolation #11) » Fri Mar 15, 2013 5:18 pm

Fuzzy, everything you're saying is shit. Please stop.

serrapaladin · Post Post #102 (isolation #12) » Sat Mar 16, 2013 12:42 am

In post 101, Belisarius wrote:Why fuzzy specifically, at that stage of the game?

No one but mala had said anything particularly interesting. I wanted to see if she'd bite and say something about him or his question towards her.
Also, this:

In post 43, serrapaladin wrote:plus you [fuzzy] make a great early wagon.

serrapaladin · Post Post #135 (isolation #13) » Sun Mar 17, 2013 12:34 am

I don't understand the votes on mollie and Jake. This looks like mollie's usual town-play, from what I've seen. mollie's FoS is a non-tell and 83 from Jake doesn't read as conf bias at all. Even if it did, town is pretty much subject to conf bias as much as scum - it's called 'bias' for a reason.

Beli: why vote mollie for an FoS, when you agree shos has actually made a real case against mala?

Jen's lack of follow-up to her vote against me and lack of response to 63 is bad.

serrapaladin · Post Post #139 (isolation #14) » Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:20 am

^says the guy who answered a general question with "Not sure" in 132 - do explain what's wrong with seconding a question.

serrapaladin · Post Post #141 (isolation #15) » Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:24 am

It encourages Beli to answer the question. Do you still think Jake is scum?

serrapaladin · Post Post #143 (isolation #16) » Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:32 am

Maybe, but with everything going on, shos encouraging a question is a weird thing for you to pick out - it's not as though his activity is an issue.

serrapaladin · Post Post #145 (isolation #17) » Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:44 am

Not defending - I'm questioning you.

serrapaladin · Post Post #159 (isolation #18) » Sun Mar 17, 2013 9:29 am

Spoiler: @shos

The only problem I have is how easy it is to wagon fuzzy. He gets himself wagoned and sometimes lynched pretty much every D1 I've seen him play, through similar VI-type play. I'm not sure whether his play here is sufficiently worse than usual to justify a vote.

Jake, why switch votes if you prefer Mala? It's not as though the fuzzy wagon has really taken off yet.

serrapaladin · Post Post #183 (isolation #19) » Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:23 am

Can't link to ongoing games, but fuzzy does get himself wagoned quite frequently. He's definitely played similar games as town. The case against Jake, and how quickly he gave it up again, concerns me a bit, but the fluff is par for the course.

Spice's posts don't read particularly great. I disagree with the quote-fest being alignment indicative (plus she joined in for a bit) and she obviously hasn't taken a good look at shos' reaction test.

Shos, Jake and perhaps Beli are the only ones really on the ball. I'm particularly surprised by mollie's 177.

I don't like Jen's posts (particularly, the lack of consistency between the two):

In post 54, Jennifer wrote:Hi, Mala! I'm glad you said you're not scum this time. We can finally be friends!

Unfortunately, Serra. You and I might not be.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Serra

I think bandwagoning can definitely be town, but I agree with Jake that the manner you did it is suspect.

In post 179, Jennifer wrote:Okay, St. Patty's weekend is over, and I'm back!

VOTE: Baby Spice
@Baby Do you really think that movie quotes page 1 are a scum tell? Also I really don't like your unvote on Mala after Shos explained his case. If you think Mala is scummy, why would you unvote?

P.S. @Mala/Serra - I've already explained my post, and I don't know if Mala is town. I went with kittypost Malatown because I didn't think Mala needed more votes for the reaction test at that point. Why vote Serra? Mala wagon had to be focused on because that was the main thing going on; Sera's name drew my attention because I know him. What I'm not liking from Mala is the double standard. You make initial posts that you later disavow/say weren't serious, yet are taking someone to task on theirs? Tsk.

179 is some serious backpedaling of her read on Mala after people called her out on that. I highly doubt she didn't vote Mala because she recognized a reaction test, and even then that's no reason to call Mala town. She claims her reason for voting me was so the focus would remain on the Mala wagon, but she gave a non-RVS reason for voting me, by agreeing with Jake, whose attack on me was genuine. Jen usually makes more sense that - I think she wanted to join an early wagon against me with 54, and then changed her mind when people called her out for that post.

UNVOTE: Mala
VOTE: Jennifer

serrapaladin · Post Post #187 (isolation #20) » Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:56 am

Backpedalling is correct as well, I think.

I understand what you're saying, but I don't like the idea of you "letting Mala be town." If you didn't want to further her wagon, there would have been no harm in simply ignoring it and voting me. The phrasing of 54 sounded too certain of her towniness.

Baby's vote was only RVS to begin with, so I don't find her unvote particularly incriminating. I do see backpedaling as a scumtell, but I find it more prominent in you than her. Your early comments alone aren't what makes you vote-worthy - it's those posts in contrast with your more recent ones.

serrapaladin · Post Post #190 (isolation #21) » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:23 am

Huh, I sort of figured she just wasn't completely on the ball, but you might actually have a point. Baby did say Mala is somewhat scummy, and the timing of her unvote is suspicious, even though I wouldn't say I'm sure that she unvoted because of Shos' post.

That doesn't necessarily exculpate you, but it's certainly something to think about.

serrapaladin · Post Post #205 (isolation #22) » Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:33 pm

So why does your phone auto-correct anything to cum?...

Anywho, you, Mala, Jen and fuzzy have each given some sort of reason to be suspicious. I'm not going to ignore that.

serrapaladin · Post Post #208 (isolation #23) » Mon Mar 18, 2013 11:57 pm

Something like retroactively claiming yesterday's room and action every morning might be a good idea.

serrapaladin · Post Post #211 (isolation #24) » Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:07 am

If you share previous room locations, that's still 3 or something rooms you could be in today. I think if scum starts strongly pushing mislynches for positional advantage, that'll be fairly obvious. I think location and item use from yesterday will give us good information to corner scum.

I don't think scum chasing down items is a problem, as when an item is used its position is randomized.

serrapaladin · Post Post #232 (isolation #25) » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:10 am

Yes, I would say optimal play is claiming our D0 position today, and D1 position and N1 item use tomorrow. I don't think planning our movement tactically can really help us, because that allows scum to anticipate where they need to be for the optimal NK.

Jen's last posts have been good, and I guess I took her early post too seriously.

UNVOTE: Jen
VOTE: Baby Spice

serrapaladin · Post Post #242 (isolation #26) » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:06 am

Mala, by the same argument town players can seek out empty areas for items. I don't think it gives scum an advantage.,

fuzzy, only scum would have an incentive lie about that though, and if we catch someone in a lie, we'll know that.

I assume there are items that give information about other players, or that affect movement, so we have a decent chance in catching liars.

Claiming leaves scum the difficult decision between being honest about their location and potentially being brought into association with NK's, or lying about it and risking being called out on that.

There's no good reason not to claim.

fuzzy is making me more and more willing to lynch him...

serrapaladin · Post Post #245 (isolation #27) » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:17 am

Must I spell this out?

serrapaladin · Post Post #250 (isolation #28) » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:54 am

Yes, shos, that's all I've been advocating: claiming the previous day's room and action.

Baby, there are a bunch of items, I think it's fair to say at least some of them relate to movement and position.

If town tells the truth, (which, you know, they should), we'll be able to catch scum by finding out who's been lying.
It doesn't matter if we know what room people die in. If they tell us what room they were in the day before, it can eliminate people from the suspect pool.

Scum really don't have much to gain from knowing where people were yesterday and what items they used.

When we approach LyLo or something, we can start discussing not claiming so scum can't narrow down people's positions, but for now it's the dominant strategy to claim.

serrapaladin · Post Post #267 (isolation #29) » Thu Mar 21, 2013 4:55 am

n0 pos and item use today, n1 pos and item use tomorrow. As I said like pages ago...

serrapaladin · Post Post #279 (isolation #30) » Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:02 am

Fountain and Gazebo lead to Courtyard, yes. If you're afraid of being cornered in (I doubt it really makes a huge difference), just avoid them...

Example of why claiming items is awesome:

Penguin was in the courtyard yesterday. Today I go to the courtyard and find an item. Unless someone dropped it there (which we'd know), I know that item was used and randomized last night. If no one claims to have used that item, someone who claimed not to have used an item is lying scum.

It's much like Dethy, in that we can hopefully solve quite a bit about the game by sharing information.

As long as we don't share current locations and items, scum can't really use that to their advantage.

serrapaladin · Post Post #284 (isolation #31) » Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:47 am

Mala, if I promise to only do Dethy-style game breaking in my free time and still scum hunt as normal, will you agree to item-use claiming?

We definitely don't claim unused items: we'll only claim "I did not use an item."

Regardless, I think there's been a decent majority in favor of D0 room-claims, so here goes popcorn:

1-Mala
2-Shos
3-Jake
4-Penguin
5-Fuzzy
6-Jen
7-Baby
8-Beli
9-Mollie
10-Serra

Original Roll String: 1d10

1 10-Sided Dice: (9) = 9

serrapaladin · Post Post #286 (isolation #32) » Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:01 am

I didn't say you were, I said I was under the impression that the majority of people were.

serrapaladin · Post Post #293 (isolation #33) » Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:10 am

Beli, that's exactly how popcorn works. Unless you've found a way to control the BB-die, I had no control over that outcome.

I don't think trying to break the game is cheating at all. It's a bit of a misnomer, really. If the strategy with the highest win proportion involves mass claiming and analyzing the claims, then that's what town should do.

I doubt this game is fully breakable to guarantee a town win, but I do think careful analysis can increase our win odds.

@guille, if I find a breaking strategy over like 80% EV or something, can I have cookie?

serrapaladin · Post Post #327 (isolation #34) » Fri Mar 22, 2013 8:16 am

I'm just gonna leave this here:

Player	D0 Location	D1 Location	D2 Location
shos	Conservatory
mollie	Fountain
Mala	Library
Jen
Baby
Beli
Jake
fuzzy
Penguin	Dining Room
serra

serrapaladin · Post Post #333 (isolation #35) » Fri Mar 22, 2013 2:34 pm

In post 328, Jennifer wrote:^Ooh, nice table. I want to learn how to do that.

Fuzzy is killing the momentum a bit, but I don't want to stop the popcorn style claiming.

@Baby Ready to place a vote yet? If not, what makes you uncomfortable about placing one?

@Beli Why is your vote still on Mollie?

If you quote my post you can take a look at the syntax - it's not too bad. There are table tags (1 per table), row tags (per row), header tag (to get the formatting of titles), and cell tags(for every other cell), and they pretty much work how you'd expect them to.

What do you think of Beli?

serrapaladin · Post Post #334 (isolation #36) » Fri Mar 22, 2013 2:52 pm

Right, didn't reload the page before posting. I was in the kitchen. I'll give a full table once we have all claims. Also, I didn't use an item last night (as I think we should claim that, too).

Jake, go!

serrapaladin · Post Post #368 (isolation #37) » Sun Mar 24, 2013 1:51 am

In post 361, Baby Spice wrote:^^ Confirmed town.

Did mollie just bus Baby?

serrapaladin · Post Post #370 (isolation #38) » Sun Mar 24, 2013 3:33 am

Odd reaction to being hammered.

serrapaladin · Post Post #373 (isolation #39) » Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:20 am

In post 372, shos wrote:If the flip's town, I'm going to look at Serra in depth at Monday.

?

serrapaladin · Post Post #389 (isolation #40) » Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:13 am

Not my turn, but my activity is going to be sporadic, so I'll do this now:

I was in the Trophy Room D1, didn't use an item N0 and used a rope N1.

I'll give a cookie to whoever puts this all in the table. Or I'll do it once I'm back.

serrapaladin · Post Post #408 (isolation #41) » Thu Mar 28, 2013 6:00 am

*gives cookies to shos, fuzzy and Jake*

Mollie's movement interests me.
Baby died in the Kitchen, which might be worth putting in.

I'm still all for full item use claim.

I assume when scum uses an item for the kill, it reappears as if it were normally used, so if we find an item, and no one claims to have used it last night, one of the people who claim not to have used an item are scum. I also assume NK flips will include location, as Baby's did, so I think spreading info = good.

Scum can't really use the fact that I used a rope last night to their advantage, methinks.

When I have time to reread, I'll get some reads out.

serrapaladin · Post Post #415 (isolation #42) » Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:25 am

Sorry babes. We can claim what the rope does tomorrow, I suppose?

I wasn't pointing a finger at mollie at all, my confusion about her movement and my mentioning of Baby's death were independent.

@mod: any chance you could tell us what happens to someone's held item when they die?

serrapaladin · Post Post #423 (isolation #43) » Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:11 am

Wait why are we claiming today's location?
Jake, what was your theory?

serrapaladin · Post Post #425 (isolation #44) » Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:16 am

Dunno, I thought we were afraid of scum using that to target kills?

serrapaladin · Post Post #439 (isolation #45) » Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:07 am

Why would she lie about it?

serrapaladin · Post Post #483 (isolation #46) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 4:19 am

I don't see the case against mollie either.

Still don't really wanna lynch fuzzy, although I'll check him out again.

serrapaladin · Post Post #487 (isolation #47) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 7:00 am

In post 484, shos wrote:The next question is this: are you seriously going to discard everything you have in this game and lynch ME based on what you seem to think is a bad case on mollie?

Serra, you need to step up as well. this game needs much more activity; I've been gone for two fieldtrips this week and I managed to be more active than all of you -_-

You're jumping the gun a bit, aren't you? Only Jake is voting for you, and his case hasn't really been gaining support just yet. Your fear of being lynched on what you think is basically nothing is a bit of an overreaction. I'll step it up once I have time. It's Easter weekend, I'm VLA and spending most of my time working/traveling, and I have other games near deadlines...

serrapaladin · Post Post #488 (isolation #48) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 7:13 am

Turns out mollie voted you too (I should really take some time and read...), but still, I don't see why you're already being this antsy about potentially being lynched.

serrapaladin · Post Post #490 (isolation #49) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:58 pm

Actually reread the entirety of this.

Mollie is really town.

End of D1 shos wasn't really town and I don't like D2 shos making a big deal out of mollie's location thing. Scum has no reason to lie about that.

On that note, fuzzy's "me either" as a second to shos' accusation of mollie is really bad. If shos is town, fuzzy might actually be scum this game for his play so far.

Mala never ended up claiming her D1 room, did she?

Penguin has avoided any sort of questioning (or interaction, really) very well. That alone worries me a bit.

serrapaladin · Post Post #492 (isolation #50) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 3:01 pm

Must have missed it, sorry.

For completeness then:

Player	D0 Location	D1 Location	D2 Location
shos	Conservatory	Drawing Room
mollie	Fountain	Courtyard
Mala	Library	Kitchen
Jen	Carriage Room	Trophy Room
Baby	Trophy Room	:lynched: in Kitchen
Beli	Studio	Conservatory
Jake	Gazebo	Courtyard	Drawing Room
fuzzy	Drawing Room	Courtyard	Carriage Room
Penguin	Dining Room	Kitchen
serra	Kitchen	Trophy Room

serrapaladin · Post Post #497 (isolation #51) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:01 pm

The right answer would have been "it depends on the direction", I believe.

I don't think there's much to be gained from revealing what the rope does today.

Why Jen?

serrapaladin · Post Post #500 (isolation #52) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:16 pm

To be fair, you did ask Jake about the refractive index of perovskite.

I don't think that'll convince anyone of Jen's scumminess.

serrapaladin · Post Post #512 (isolation #53) » Mon Apr 01, 2013 4:33 am

In post 501, Belisarius wrote:Do you think Jake's response was playful?

I don't see anything wrong with his answer, and I disagree that scum is on average less playful.

Shos, explain what mala has done to avoid your sweeping accusations of avoidance.

serrapaladin · Post Post #532 (isolation #54) » Mon Apr 01, 2013 2:09 pm

Fuzzy. I want you to explain in your own words why you think mollie-scum would mess up her movement.

serrapaladin · Post Post #536 (isolation #55) » Mon Apr 01, 2013 2:20 pm

And you really think that's more likely than a town derp?

These kind of 'slips' are very easy facts for opportunistic scum to get hung up on and push a wagon for.

Also, what Mala said. (the Piratecat avatar is amazing, where did you find that?)

serrapaladin · Post Post #542 (isolation #56) » Mon Apr 01, 2013 3:47 pm

mollie, what do you think is worse. shos' push against you or fuzzy just sort of tagging along.

serrapaladin · Post Post #549 (isolation #57) » Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:50 am

In post 547, pirate mollie wrote:so I picked a place that I would naturally want to go.

I like her.

serrapaladin · Post Post #550 (isolation #58) » Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:52 am

I think shos is very much barking up the wrong tree, but I'm gonna go with fuzzy being worse for cheerleading.

VOTE: fuzzy

serrapaladin · Post Post #555 (isolation #59) » Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:04 am

Doesn't really matter, to be honest. If we get two scum and still aren't done, there's a third scum (or third party).

serrapaladin · Post Post #559 (isolation #60) » Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:09 pm

That's L-1, fuzzy.

serrapaladin · Post Post #562 (isolation #61) » Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:46 pm

Dunno. As scum he reacts pretty bad to pressure.

serrapaladin · Post Post #564 (isolation #62) » Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:50 pm

No one is listening to you now.

serrapaladin · Post Post #569 (isolation #63) » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:04 pm

*he
Yes, you very much should, if you don't want to be lynched.

serrapaladin · Post Post #572 (isolation #64) » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:15 pm

Looking forward to that info.

Also, <3 a fellow minecraft player.

serrapaladin · Post Post #574 (isolation #65) » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:56 pm

Loads do apparently, there are a bunch of threads for it.

serrapaladin · Post Post #590 (isolation #66) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:40 am

Jesus, fuzzy. Wanna make a case on penguin? Seems like you were taking too much flak for being on mollie, so jumped onto an easier target.

Good to see you saying stuff, Jen. I'll look at Beli later.

serrapaladin · Post Post #599 (isolation #67) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:32 am

591 is Beli acting stupid when he's not.

Which part Jake? I was telling fuzzy to back up his vote and I was welcoming input from someone who hadn't been active. Also why the unvote without voting someone else?

Pedit: what the hell? Did you just unvote so you could hold the hammer? Also what do you expect from a claim? o.o

serrapaladin · Post Post #601 (isolation #68) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:50 am

Actually, hell, we have 13 days. And I don't like what Jake has been pulling.

UNVOTE: fuzzy

serrapaladin · Post Post #605 (isolation #69) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:14 am

See, my thoughts are more along the lines of shos', in that fuzzy would be a decent lynch even if he's town. That makes him a good DL lynch, but that's far away. I certainly disagree with a lot of his play, and agree that at this point he'd be the best lynch, but if we still have time to discuss, and aren't certain he's scum, why not use the time?

serrapaladin · Post Post #609 (isolation #70) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:28 am

All that is true Jake, but none of that is a good argument to end the day already. Penguin and beli haven't done much of anything today, and I can't really think of anything poignant by Mala either (and I'm probably not any better), so a townflip would give us an almost entirely wasted day.

serrapaladin · Post Post #611 (isolation #71) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:38 am

Please get some reads?

serrapaladin · Post Post #617 (isolation #72) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:40 pm

Seriously though, fuzzy, you'd better start contributing or that vote is going back on you.

serrapaladin · Post Post #625 (isolation #73) » Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:09 am

In post 621, Belisarius wrote:The more I think about it, the more I think we should wait on item claims; I was willing to do it if Serra agreed earlier because I saw it as harmless
then
, but upon further reflection we should deny this information to the scum until it's likely they've seen what a large subset of the items do.

It can also provide a substitute for roleclaiming at L-1 -- if the person about to be lynched has had an item in the past, they can claim what they did with it. Anyone else who has or has had that item can thus prove a liar.

Do you not think scum are at least told what the items they hold can do, in addition to kill? I don't think scum would claim to have had an item they never did, so they'd know anyways.

Also, if we keep claiming rooms before items, scum can just claim to have targeted an empty room with their item to explain lack of effect.

That being said, I'm happy to wait until tomorrow to claim what the rope does.

serrapaladin · Post Post #629 (isolation #74) » Thu Apr 04, 2013 5:25 am

But claiming an item you don't have is really stupid anyways.

serrapaladin · Post Post #635 (isolation #75) » Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:20 am

In post 632, Jake from State Farm wrote:the fact that beli knew serra used the rope on him (serra never said that in thread). beli asks me my thoughts on him or serra revealing what the rope did.

typically people in mafia games aren't told they are targeted or by whom so for beli to know this to me I feel like they share a QT together. Could be mafia. masons, or possibly neighbors. :shrug:

Then you're insinuating pretty bad play on our part. I claimed having used the rope, and Beli knew what room I used it from. It would have been pretty obvious to him that he was my target, and I did indeed target the Conservatory. It'll be obvious when we claim what it does tomorrow.

serrapaladin · Post Post #638 (isolation #76) » Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:29 am

Ah, that's interesting. Well yeah, then it's even more obvious. I'd sort of assumed you just figured it out, as the action is pretty 'ropey'.

serrapaladin · Post Post #641 (isolation #77) » Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:57 am

I highly doubt Beli would lie about that. And anyways, you'll find out soon enough, as soon as other people claim to have been targeted, or you are targeted yourself.

serrapaladin · Post Post #665 (isolation #78) » Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:56 am

Fine. If people are going to get caught up about this, Beli should probably explain.

I don't think Beli's claim to have been targeted is at all alignment indicative.

serrapaladin · Post Post #667 (isolation #79) » Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:35 am

VOTE: fuzzy

serrapaladin · Post Post #669 (isolation #80) » Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:41 am

I think you just did.

serrapaladin · Post Post #681 (isolation #81) » Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:05 am

Fuzzy. That 'reverse psychology' bullshit is some of the worst play I've seen in a while, regardless of your alignment.

serrapaladin · Post Post #707 (isolation #82) » Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:45 pm

In post 625, serrapaladin wrote:Also, if we keep claiming rooms before items, scum can just claim to have targeted an empty room with their item to explain lack of effect.

This is why we're claiming all item use today. Also, together with Jake's flip, I think Item Use should help us narrow down the suspects.

Player	D0 Location	D1 Location	D2 Location
shos	Conservatory	Drawing Room
mollie	Fountain	Courtyard
Mala	Library	Kitchen
Jen	Carriage Room	Trophy Room
Baby	Trophy Room	:lynched: in Kitchen
Beli	Studio	Conservatory
Jake	Gazebo	Courtyard	:stabbed: in Drawing Room
fuzzy	Drawing Room	Courtyard	:lynched: in Carriage Room
Penguin	Dining Room	Kitchen	Studio
serra	Kitchen	Trophy Room

Player	N0 Item Use	N1 Item Use	N2 Item Use
shos
mollie
Mala
Jen
Baby
Beli
Jake
fuzzy
Penguin			Wrench @ (tbc)
serra	None	Rope @ Conservatory (Beli)	None

I think we should popcorn around Item Use claims for all 3 nights first, then Location claims. I know there have been some item claims, but it'll help to compile them if they're all in one place.

Although I don't think much of T-S lists, in this case scum apparently doesn't have the same sort of control over their NK target, so it's ok, I suppose.

Town
mollie
Penguin
shos
Mala
Jen
Beli
Scum

I'll popcorn the item claim to Beli and the TS list back to Mala.

In post 705, penguin_alien wrote:Serra, what prompted the vote on fuzzy for you? If anything aside from his pronounced apathy did.

He claimed he wouldn't make any effort to help town and wouldn't replace out. I was also somewhat suspicious of his sheeping of shos onto mollie, but I'll mostly label that a utility lynch.

serrapaladin · Post Post #711 (isolation #83) » Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:13 pm

I'd say don't claim what it does. And if it has a target, claim that only after relevant movements or other stuff have been claimed.

For example, with the rope, I would have waited for Beli to claim his next location in the hope of catching him in a lie.

serrapaladin · Post Post #713 (isolation #84) » Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:45 pm

Hmm, I'm not sure about claiming today's items. I guess as long as we don't claim today's positions, it can't really do much harm. @everyone: opinions?

serrapaladin · Post Post #753 (isolation #85) » Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:05 am

Yes, shos is confbiasing on you, Jen. Do you think it's scum-motivated though?

serrapaladin · Post Post #754 (isolation #86) » Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:11 am

I wouldn't call it fake-scumhunting though.

In post 742, Belisarius wrote:
In post 739, penguin_alien wrote:Belisarius, can you elaborate on your take on Jennifer? Because I'm not seeing where you're coming from based on your ISO.

My initial vote was a complete shot in the dark because I was waffling and had no idea who to go for; the scumread stuck because she freaked the fuck out.

Where did she freak the fuck out? How would you respond differently?

In post 744, Malakittens wrote:Also; Serra can you explain to me why Beli is you strongest scum read yet you haven't voted him in the past 2 days

I haven't really voted anyone except fuzzy and Baby. The votes on you and Jen were early D1, but neither of those scumreads have stuck. Beli's post towards Jen haven't been good, but I'll admit even that read isn't particularly strong.

serrapaladin · Post Post #757 (isolation #87) » Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:33 am

Do we really think 3 of 11 is an option? I mean, town power doesn't look amazing, and 3 of 11 is more like nightless.

serrapaladin · Post Post #765 (isolation #88) » Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:43 pm

In post 760, pirate mollie wrote:okay I have reread the last 3 pages and I am all caught up on my spreadsheet.

found a dagger n0, used it n1

whoever has the dagger now
knows that this ought to clear me

I was in the library last night

Please explain?

serrapaladin · Post Post #781 (isolation #89) » Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:20 pm

In post 775, Belisarius wrote:I still think we shouldn't claim what the items do in general principle; I claimed the purpose of the rope because Mr. Boddy was strangled and thus it is almost certain that the scum know the ability of the rope.

For the same reason, I think the current possessor of the dagger should keep their fucking trap shut.

I also think Mollie is bullshitting since she cannot influence the use of the dagger after she used it

P-Edit: I trust Shos because Mala's scum flip would convict him-no true scum would take such a mad risk

Mr. Boddy was the mod... I'm pretty sure scum didn't kill him.

Jake was stabbed.

Why would Mala's flip convict shos?

serrapaladin · Post Post #784 (isolation #90) » Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:47 pm

In post 775, Belisarius wrote:I think the current possessor of the dagger should keep their fucking trap shut.

Why do you feel strongly about this?

shos, why do you think the opposite?

Also, I don't think that's what Beli implied. He said Mala's flip would "convict" you, by which I assume he means if Mala is scum, so are you, which I don't get.

serrapaladin · Post Post #807 (isolation #91) » Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:20 pm

Lol @ reaction test that was diffused before I saw it. And what was with shos' "ARE YOU SERIOUS?" reaction?

I think shos might already know what the dagger does by how much he's insisting on not knowing.

Beli/shos, anyone? shos' recent attack on Jen hasn't been good. I think he saw her as a weak spot and wanted to throw together a case to get her lynched, but failed.

Mala's 795 sort of screams fake towntell. I would always ask something like that by PM, as town. I guess my townread on Mala gives her the benefit of the doubt for now, but I don't like the look of fake-vig + towntell in thread.

serrapaladin · Post Post #813 (isolation #92) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:56 am

Ugh, let's just get this over with. I found the Dagger today which protects any target player except oneself. It has blood on it, which confirms last nights kill flavor. Whoever held the dagger yesterday killed Jake.

Mollie allegedly used it N1 and there was no kill. However, if scum have to target an adjacent player or room to kill, they might also have missed, so I think this alone doesn't confirm her.

I am starting to think that scum might be able to target anyone, in which case mollie and her target would be pretty much cleared (unless none of them had an item).

serrapaladin · Post Post #817 (isolation #93) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:05 am

Weird that Jen claims not to have picked up on that...she's been fairly on the ball so far.

Mala, any comments on the dagger-sitch?

serrapaladin · Post Post #821 (isolation #94) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:40 am

Also wrong. There are at least two scum, probably only one of which can kill.

serrapaladin · Post Post #823 (isolation #95) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:10 am

mollie, I just did. The dagger has blood on it. I just don't think it 100% clears you.

serrapaladin · Post Post #825 (isolation #96) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:30 am

Yes, but it's interesting that flavor actually reflects that...

serrapaladin · Post Post #827 (isolation #97) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:41 am

Huh? That's sort of an odd thing to expect. It makes sense, but the mod could just as well not have, given that's it's redundant information. It'll only confirm I actually had the knife when someone else finds a bloody item.

serrapaladin · Post Post #840 (isolation #98) » Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:36 am

In post 241, shos wrote:
In post 236, fuzzybutternut wrote: What have you done again, Shos?
are you fucking kidding me??

this guy does not read the game, come on guys. we don't want him here anyway. at this point even as town
I'd poison him
.

Been compiling the item list and this stuck out. Reads like a crumb of sorts? Comment, shos?

serrapaladin · Post Post #841 (isolation #99) » Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:51 am

Just to complete these:

Player	D0 Location	D1 Location	D2 Location
shos	Conservatory	Drawing Room	Conservatory
mollie	Fountain	Courtyard
Mala	Library	Kitchen
Jen	Carriage Room	Trophy Room
Baby	Trophy Room	:lynched: in Kitchen
Beli	Studio	Conservatory	Conservatory
Jake	Gazebo	Courtyard	:stabbed: in Drawing Room
fuzzy	Drawing Room	Courtyard	:lynched: in Carriage Room
Penguin	Dining Room	Kitchen	Studio
serra	Kitchen	Trophy Room	Conservatory

Player	N0 Item Use	N1 Item Use	N2 Item Use
shos	None	None	None
mollie	None	Dagger @ Mala	None
Mala	None	Dropped Horseshoe	Wrench @ (tbc)
Jen	None	None	None
Baby
Beli	None	None	None
Jake
fuzzy
Penguin	None	Wrench @ Studio	None
serra	None	Rope @ Conservatory (Beli)	None

Jen, your D2 location?

Also, mala, you'll have to talk me through the whole 'dropping the horseshoe' thing.

serrapaladin · Post Post #845 (isolation #100) » Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:55 am

Did fuzzy ever claim what he tried to use?

serrapaladin · Post Post #846 (isolation #101) » Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:56 am

And how does the pipe target?

serrapaladin · Post Post #847 (isolation #102) » Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:57 am

Player	D0 Location	D1 Location	D2 Location
shos	Conservatory	Drawing Room	Conservatory
mollie	Fountain	Courtyard
Mala	Library	Kitchen	Dining Room
Jen	Carriage Room	Trophy Room
Baby	Trophy Room	:lynched: in Kitchen
Beli	Studio	Conservatory	Conservatory
Jake	Gazebo	Courtyard	:stabbed: in Drawing Room
fuzzy	Drawing Room	Courtyard	:lynched: in Carriage Room
Penguin	Dining Room	Kitchen	Studio
serra	Kitchen	Trophy Room	Conservatory

Player	N0 Item Use	N1 Item Use	N2 Item Use
shos	Lead Pipe @ fuzzy	None	None
mollie	None	Dagger @ Mala	None
Mala	None	Dropped Horseshoe	Wrench @ (tbc)
Jen	None	None	None
Baby
Beli	None	None	None
Jake
fuzzy
Penguin	None	Wrench @ Studio	None
serra	None	Rope @ Conservatory (Beli)	None

serrapaladin · Post Post #849 (isolation #103) » Thu Apr 18, 2013 6:02 am

I wish you hadn't said that.

serrapaladin · Post Post #850 (isolation #104) » Thu Apr 18, 2013 6:02 am

About the rope: it only affects movement.

serrapaladin · Post Post #854 (isolation #105) » Thu Apr 18, 2013 6:12 am

^yes, you've said that before. I'm getting a bad feeling about shos repeating how he didn't know what the dagger does and that the wrench will protect him...feels a bit forced
Why the hell did you claim to have wrench today anyways? Surely if you're town you'd want to keep it to yourself so scum might waste a kill.

serrapaladin · Post Post #856 (isolation #106) » Thu Apr 18, 2013 6:22 am

In post 824, Malakittens wrote:No, shit it has blood on it. It was the item used to kill jake.

Scrolling through the last pages, I'm still not quite sure I get this, Mala. Why were you not surprised that Guille actually included blood on the murder weapon as flavor? It's not something I'd find obvious at all.

serrapaladin · Post Post #858 (isolation #107) » Thu Apr 18, 2013 6:37 am

Yeah, that's fair enough, I guess I was just expecting something like "ooh, that's thoughtful of Guille" rather than "well of course Guille would do that".

serrapaladin · Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:33 pm

It's a doc-protect.

serrapaladin · Post Post #867 (isolation #109) » Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:07 am

Dagger was used N1 on Mala and N2 to kill.

Given how many item's were missing, I'm certain at least one of Jen and Beli is lying about not having had any items.

serrapaladin · Post Post #871 (isolation #110) » Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:23 am

Wrench apparently allows movement to any room and avoids being targeted.

shos, are you sure the wrench defends you from the NK?

serrapaladin · Post Post #905 (isolation #111) » Sat Apr 20, 2013 2:19 am

I honestly doubt Jen/Beli. One of them is scum, but I don't see both.

My guess is one of {Jen, Beli} and one of {shos, Penguin}.

I'm a bit concerned about Mala's item-drop coinciding with the No Kill, but I suppose it's more likely scum tried targeting Mala and mollie protected her, in which case Mala/mollie are town.

Guille: any chance you could tell us how NK targeting works?

serrapaladin · Post Post #907 (isolation #112) » Sat Apr 20, 2013 3:14 am

In post 1, guille2015 wrote:Mafia:
Mafia are required to find an Item in order to perform a kill.
Mafia can only make one kill per night.
Mafia are forced to kill every other night. If they choose to not kill or cannot kill during a night, the next night in which they can kill, they are forced to make the kill, as long as they have an item.

The kill will use the item as a weapon and can only be used in adjacent rooms and current room.

Mafia can opt to use the item as intended, instead of making the kill
Mafia may or may not have other rules and privileges not expressed here.

Reading comprehension is useful!

So yeah, scum can only target adjacent and current room. That could lead to some fun hide-and-seek at 3p LyLo.

Also, this means scum could have just missed with their N1 kill, in which case neither mollie nor Mala should be above suspicion.

serrapaladin · Post Post #923 (isolation #113) » Tue Apr 23, 2013 1:53 am

In post 917, Malakittens wrote:There was a comment by Serra which gave me an 'eh' feel which was when I asked him to protect me. I wish you didn't say that could have been scum having their plans foiled by using the dagger again. Flip side town wouldn't want to give extra information to scum.

Yeah, my comment was a "I was going to do that anyways". Why would I openly share my disappointment in not being able to kill as scum? I swear I'm not THAT bad...

Mala, why is room location enough to not make you vote Jen? Only one scum needs to be in range.

serrapaladin · Post Post #926 (isolation #114) » Tue Apr 23, 2013 3:21 am

Jokes.

serrapaladin · Post Post #936 (isolation #115) » Wed Apr 24, 2013 2:57 am

In post 928, Belisarius wrote:What's hard to understand? Using an item--particularly an unverifiable use--in no way clears you from being scum because
they have nothing to do with each other
.

It'd be like saying that I couldn't possibly be German because I have eaten a jelly bean.

This isn't quite true though. The use of a protection item coincided with no NK. Certainly, the lack of a kill could also have been scum not having an item/failing to hit anyone, but it at least lends some credence to mollie's claim.

The alternative I could see is mollie finding the knife D1, holding it N1 while her buddy fails to kill, and using it to kill Jake N2, but I have a townread on mollie, so I don't really like that theory.

With all the cross-bussing that would need to be happening, I'm starting to have trouble seeing two scum in {Jen, Beli, shos}. The most likely alternative is Penguin, except I've sort of had a townread on her all game...

mfw it's mollie/mala.

serrapaladin · Post Post #943 (isolation #116) » Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:56 pm

Alright, I don't really want to lynch shos today. I'm sort of leaning Beli, but I have the bad feeling at least one of mala, mollie and Peng is scum...

serrapaladin · Post Post #948 (isolation #117) » Fri Apr 26, 2013 6:02 am

Why not Mala specifically? I've had a townread on all three of Mala, mollie and Peng, but I don't see both scum in shos/jen/you, so one of my townreads is likely wrong.

Plus, since Switch I know that my townread on Mala isn't worth all that much...

serrapaladin · Post Post #950 (isolation #118) » Fri Apr 26, 2013 6:15 am

Well no. I want to lynch one of you and jen today, I'm just not sure which one.

The musings about mala/mollie/Peng are looking ahead.

serrapaladin · Post Post #952 (isolation #119) » Fri Apr 26, 2013 6:59 am

In post 951, Malakittens wrote:this is why I hate being
good at being
scum

FTFY

serrapaladin · Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:28 am

Huh, for me gut has Jen as scummier than Beli from D1, but I do like Peng's case and I much prefer the company of Peng/mollie on the Beli wagon to Beli/shos on the Jen wagon.

I'd be willing to hammer in a bit. Beli, please claim everything you haven't yet, like today's location and item and your character.

serrapaladin · Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:40 am

Oh yeah, I was definitely going to give it at least 24 hours or something.

serrapaladin · Post Post #963 (isolation #122) » Sat Apr 27, 2013 4:23 pm

I am SO confused by your certainty that shos is town and your progression on him...

serrapaladin · Post Post #975 (isolation #123) » Sun Apr 28, 2013 5:04 pm

Yes, but given there was a flavor kill N0, it's quite possible that scum didn't have a kill.

I read through Beli's iso, and I'm now less sure about wanting to hammer him...

We have less than 24 hours left, so I probably will, but I think I'd prefer a Jen lynch today.

serrapaladin · Post Post #983 (isolation #124) » Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:10 pm

In post 977, penguin_alien wrote:Yes,.I had the wrench and waited until Night One to use it.

This shouldn't be possible. We might have a scumslip here.

@mod, can you confirm whether you forced everyone to night action N0 according to this rule?

In post 1, guille2015 wrote:During Night 0, you have to perform an action, if possible, and make a move.

Should have really spotted that earlier...

I don't think Mala will hammer Jen.

I don't want a No Lynch. If that's what it'd come down to, I will hammer Beli or Jen.

serrapaladin · Post Post #986 (isolation #125) » Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:43 pm

In post 984, Belisarius wrote:As I read it, Hold constitutes an action -- albeit one that forces the player to either use or drop their item the following night.

What would the point of that rule be then?

serrapaladin · Post Post #988 (isolation #126) » Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:45 pm

I thought that was sort of implied, but I suppose you're probably right.

@mod: is the interpretation of the rule I posted above that you need to actually use your item, or can you hold it N0?

serrapaladin · Post Post #990 (isolation #127) » Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:24 pm

Well see, that was my reasoning, too, but forcing people to use their items N0 would be pretty arbitrary. Let's see if Guille answers.

serrapaladin · Post Post #992 (isolation #128) » Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:37 pm

VOTE: Jen

for now.

But I'll go for Beli by DL.

serrapaladin · Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:25 am

Dagger can target anyone.

serrapaladin · Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:47 pm

VOTE: Beli

serrapaladin · Sat May 04, 2013 4:34 am

Mala, why the hell would I claim to have the dagger as scum?

serrapaladin · Sat May 04, 2013 5:43 am

I also heard a loud shot. And I protected Mala last night.

Given how relatively hard it seems to be for scum to get a kill to connect, I wouldn't be completely surprised by 2 scum left.

serrapaladin · Sun May 05, 2013 6:41 am

I was in the studio and I daggered Mala.

Not sure about claiming today's location.

serrapaladin · Sun May 05, 2013 6:42 am

popcorn to mollie, I guess.

serrapaladin · Tue May 07, 2013 6:09 am

Any item use, mollie?

I don't think Jen and Beli would be scum together.

serrapaladin · Tue May 07, 2013 6:23 am

Nice job ninjaing, mod, but I don't think shos is self-voting

(Squiggly line)Yeah, yeah, I've been having an odd day!

serrapaladin · Wed May 08, 2013 6:52 pm

In post 1054, penguin_alien wrote:Between the abortive push for a no lynch yesterday, trying to derail things with a fake scum tell, and the half-assed push on Belisarius, I'm having a hard time seeing a reason not to vote for shos.

Why would scum-shos mention the potential of No Lynching? The fake scum tell thing was a genuine point of confusion. Why does it reflect worse on shos than on me? If he's scum, he would already know that the scumslip wasn't one. He would have known that asking the mod would diffuse it, so why would he bring it up to begin with?

I don't really see Jen or shos as Beli's scumbuddies, which means one of my townreads is wrong.

serrapaladin · Wed May 08, 2013 9:00 pm

Well, I don't think it should quite make me conftown, but I guess as scum I would have either committed to the bus earlier or pushed Jen harder.

shos, what was with your additional vote after I'd hammered Beli? Were you honestly not sure whether that was the hammer?

serrapaladin · Fri May 10, 2013 3:16 pm

I doubt Beli/mollie after him jumping all over her FoS early on.

What do you think of Beli reading shos as scum but then placing trust in his reads? I think the most poignant argument for Beli/shos is that in his reveal about the fake Mala case, shos didn't mention Beli at all.

serrapaladin · Fri May 10, 2013 7:47 pm

I agree with lynching shos today.

serrapaladin · Sun May 12, 2013 10:07 pm

So do you think mollie is scum?

I keep changing my mind about shos. I'm not sure he would interact with his scumbuddy as he did with Beli. Completely leaving your buddy off a list just seems like too 'noob' a mistake to make, and Beli's rapid switch on shos also looks too obvious.

serrapaladin · Wed May 15, 2013 12:58 am

Rereading this now.

serrapaladin · Wed May 15, 2013 1:30 am

mollie is town.

mala: why did you have me as your biggest scumread halfway through the game, and what happened to that read?

I'd be very surprised if Mala is scum, though.

I think scum have daytalk. The shos/Beli meta thing regarding how often Beli votes looks sort of orchestrated. I wanna say that's the "other privileges" that scum have.

There's probably a third scum - either Jen or Peng.

VOTE: shos

serrapaladin · Wed May 15, 2013 9:17 pm

In post 1138, Malakittens wrote:Jen could be a team mate but that means Beli bused when it 'wasn't' needed.

If there's 3 scum, it's more of a possibility, methinks?

UNVOTE:

I don't understand this game

serrapaladin · Fri May 17, 2013 6:46 am

In post 1133, serrapaladin wrote:mala: why did you have me as your biggest scumread halfway through the game, and what happened to that read?

Still want this. Hammering Beli is doesn't make me conftown.

serrapaladin · Fri May 17, 2013 7:01 am

And I was I scum when you posted your TS list (besides the RVS thing...)?

serrapaladin · Fri May 17, 2013 7:01 am

serrapaladin · Fri May 17, 2013 9:35 am

We're dwindling away that DL again... mollie, any conclusions from rereading?

I think the point is, I wouldn't have claimed the dagger as scum, and I had no reason to use the rope on Beli either. But yeah, neither makes me completely conftown.

serrapaladin · Fri May 17, 2013 10:43 pm

VOTE: shos

Imma stop being paranoid about this.

serrapaladin · Sat May 18, 2013 2:34 pm

So you lied. I now approve this lynch.

serrapaladin · Sun May 19, 2013 3:35 am

Because you're not voting him...

serrapaladin · Tue May 21, 2013 6:35 am

In post 1167, shos wrote:so I kept the wrench since mafia won't target me anyway, and moved to the kitchen, and told you all that I used it and 'do not want to expose my location'. Then, I 'by mistake' exposed my CURRENT location when I updated the table, hoping that tonight I will be the target of the nightkill and SO i will succeed in soaking the nightkill to make up for my yesterday stupidity; but hey I needed to get to night for that, so it's of no use any longer.

In post 1180, penguin_alien wrote:The fact that shos held onto the wrench seems towny to me, actually. Everyone knows he has it, so if he kills with it he's incriminated, and by holding it he forgoes the chance to pick up a new, unknown weapon, that he could kill with undetected. If he's last scum standing, he risks having to kill with it tonight and being fingered, as well as if he's one of two and the other scum lacks a weapon.

Pirate mollie keep looking worse with forgetting her scum reads and voting haphazardly as a result. Let's see where this goes.

VOTE: pirate mollie

These two posts together add to my suspicion that shos/peng are the remaining scum and have daytalk. If my theory is correct, they only need to mislynch mollie or Jen for the win. If we mislynch and shos makes a kill, it doesn't matter whether we know his weapon or not.

I don't really want to lynch Peng before shos, as I don't see why scum-Peng would try to derail a wagon on town-shos.

serrapaladin · Wed May 22, 2013 11:22 pm

1202 isn't strictly true. If shos is scum, his scumbuddy could send in a kill while he "confirms" himself. Also, I don't want to No Lynch in case scum have the vigging item (revolver?).

serrapaladin · Thu May 23, 2013 7:04 am

Mala, I suppose I sort of trust you, so how strongly do you feel about not lynching shos?

serrapaladin · Fri May 24, 2013 1:42 am

Fine. Mala, I'll sheep you onto whomever. If you're scum, we're fucked anyways, and if you're town, I trust your reads over mine.

UNVOTE:

serrapaladin · Fri May 24, 2013 10:10 am

Let's claim todays items and then no lynch. That's fine by me. If scum doesn't kill we get more item uses. I'm sure there must be at least 1 useful item out there.

serrapaladin · Sat May 25, 2013 10:53 am

God damn weekend deadlines.

VOTE: shos

If Jen and Peng claim, I'm happy with letting it go to a No Lynch. Otherwise shos is better. I have an item, and will claim it unless shos is hammered. If anyone has the dagger, please use it on me tonight.

serrapaladin · Thu May 30, 2013 9:00 am

I was in the conservatory, and I had the dagger again (but forgot to use it

), and I just picked up the Wrench in the Trophy Room, which should also confirm shos.

serrapaladin · Thu May 30, 2013 11:37 am

No I picked it up in the conservatory, and it said nothing about blood.

serrapaladin · Thu May 30, 2013 11:38 am

I'm guessing you can confirm that?

serrapaladin · Fri May 31, 2013 7:26 am

We're not lynching shos.

serrapaladin · Sun Jun 02, 2013 3:58 pm

mollie, there was no kill last night and I picked up the wrench today in a room that was occupied yesterday. Scum would have had to try for the kill, so I want to say that clears shos.

This game is really dragging...

VOTE: No Lynch

serrapaladin · Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:13 pm

If it's MyLo, a mislynch gives us the information that the game is over...

Scum is forced to kill, so we want to get the game back to odd numbers.

serrapaladin · Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:27 am

I'm not at home, sorry. But yeah, no lynching is the thing to do, as much as I hate prolonging this.

serrapaladin · Mon Jun 03, 2013 2:21 pm

wtf are you on about?
UNVOTE:

serrapaladin · Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:46 pm

In post 1273, shos wrote:Well then.

vote; nolynch
Mafia guys try to end night quickly

No seriously, what is this?

serrapaladin · Tue Jun 04, 2013 2:04 pm

Meh, I guess I'll call benefit of the doubt on shos and

VOTE: No Lynch
again.
.
I am very worried by mollie's continued apathy, though.

serrapaladin · Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:10 am

It is apparently difficult for scum to get kills, so I want to say 3 scum is actually moderately likely.

serrapaladin · Wed Jun 05, 2013 12:23 pm

We're going to no lynch at some point anyways to get it back to odd numbers. Even if there's only 1 scum left, we might as well do it now.

serrapaladin · Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:15 pm

Peng is exactly right. 3/10 is quite steep, but I don't know whether scum has just been incompetent, or whether it's actually very difficult for them to get kills.

serrapaladin · Wed Jun 05, 2013 2:10 pm

How do you not know what MyLo is?!?

serrapaladin · Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:19 am

HEAL: The part of Jennifer's brain used for counting

But seriously, let's just No Lynch, so we can do stuff.

serrapaladin · Sat Jun 08, 2013 5:43 am

Lolwut? Mollie replacing out of a game? I'm happy with Mala and I not revealing anything further. My reveal today was to corroborate shos.

serrapaladin · Sun Jun 09, 2013 2:48 am

Sup Ms. Marple.

I wanna say Marangal is town. Revealing the pipe when scum needs to kill would be incredibly bad. Unless she's fucking with us and had actually read the entire thing, I don't think scumMara would be so incautious as to reveal that sort of information prematurely.

I need to see whether Jen/Peng makes any sense.

Also, Marangal, your opinion on whether its 1 or 2 scum left would be much appreciated.

serrapaladin · Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:18 am

serrapaladin · Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:22 am

I trust shos enough to be willing to NL today to get a night's worth of results.

serrapaladin · Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:03 am

Yay, town pulled through! Good job you guys.

The apparent difficulty for scum to get kills in makes this slightly town sided. Mollie left a pretty tricky slot to replace into, but I thought Ms. Marple did well given what she was dealt.

I am so glad Mala was actually town this game.

serrapaladin · Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:15 am

2 scum was too few, but 3 seems to many. if you want to keep the same size, perhaps do something like giving scum a 1-shot range kill. Also has the

advantage

side-effect of eliminating all the sorts of room- and item-analysis we did.

serrapaladin · Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:39 am

I suppose. So why did the scum-kill fail so many times? Is it really just a matter of luck?

serrapaladin · Thu Jul 04, 2013 3:33 am

I had the sense scum might have daytalk, but just wasn't with it enough to piece it all together...

serrapaladin · Thu Jul 04, 2013 3:40 am

That's alright. You guys did pull through, so it's all good