[Mini 1447] Misaligned Malignant Multi-verse Mafia (abandon)

[Empking]

Vote: Nacho

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Would bear Grilles please stand up, please stand up. Will the real Bear Grilles please stand up.

[Empking]

Also, Emp, isn't his name spelled "Grylls"?

Ha, you fell my trick. TCS is Bear Grylls, Survivor!

[Empking]

Also, Emp, isn't his name spelled "Grylls"?

Ha, you fell my trick. TCS is Bear Grylls, Survivor!

I do like drinking my own piss.

I should point out that my role PM doesn't say Bear Grylls is a survivor. I deduced that myself with my genius.

[Empking]

UNVOTE

VOTE: TCS

Everyone knows piss tastes awful.

PimHel kinda came off as a bit scummy for trying to read into this really quicky, its pretty standard RVS. Though trying to kill RVS with fire seems Pro Town. Eh, nothing yet.

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UNVOTE

VOTE: TCS

[Empking]

I am Bear "Grilles," according to my role PM though. So it seems to me that the only way you could possibly have come to think of that gambit is that you're a Lyncher and I'm the lynchee.

Boring.

Wait I actually ferreted you out. I'm genuinely a genius, aren't I? I'm not a lyncher however, just a townie with some information.

[Empking]

UNVOTE:

I am Bear "Grilles," according to my role PM though. So it seems to me that the only way you could possibly have come to think of that gambit is that you're a Lyncher and I'm the lynchee.

Boring.

Wait I actually ferreted you out. I'm genuinely a genius, aren't I? I'm not a lyncher however, just a townie with some information.

This puts a bad taste in my mouth. Want to share it?

Bear Grilles is in the game; it's just that.

Does anyone know anything about an afterlife?

[Empking]

Pedit: Is this a philosophical question?

No

[Empking]

If the question isn't philosophical, then No, I don't know anything about an afterlife. I know there is a character involved in this that should know about an afterlife, but I don't know anything myself.

So are you claiming the same sort of rare role as me after me, yet you think I was lying?

[Empking]

I don't have any information on the afterlife; that's why I'm asking if anyone does.

[Empking]

Vote: Arc

Obv.

Empking, why did you want to know who Bear is?

Because otherwise what's the point of my power :shrug:

[Empking]

Using knowledge rather than power may have been superior.

[Empking]

Votecount 1.2

FourTrouble (3) - The Central Scrutinizer, Zdenek, Nachomamma8
Nachomamma8 (2) - Serrapaladin, GuyInFreezer
GuyInFreezer (2) - PimHel, The Avering
The Central Scrutinizer (2) - Empking, FuDuzn

Not Voting (3) - FourTrouble, Whiskers, Arc

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Whiskers is V/LA until Thursday. FourTrouble and The Avering have yet to confirm.

The votes in post 41 (by Zdenek on Arc) and in post 44 (by The Avering on Arc) and in post 47 (by Nachomamma8 on Arc) do not count because lack of unvote.

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Not a lyncher.

[Empking]

I don't have any information on the afterlife; that's why I'm asking if anyone does.

And yet you were the one that first mentioned the afterlife?... Still, I think I wanna stay away from lynching TCS/Emp for now.

I know it exists. I know it's not a red herring. I know nothing else of it.

[Empking]

The Central Scrutinizer will do anything to keep the game focused elsewhere (see his rootless vote), and denies being a Survivor so he's quite obviously scum.

[Empking]

If I were to play devils advocate though, the interaction between empking/TCS seems a bit weird but there is little to no chance I would switch to one of them at this point.

Because I'm obvtown and TCS is your buddy?

[Empking]

Emp, I don't think you are scum. I didn't even say who of you I think would look worse, why assume I would vote ou instead of TCS?

Why all defensive homie?

Are you drunk?

Arc: Same question.

Nacho: Can my reaction to FuDzn saying he wouldn't vote me or obv-scum TCS be construed as being defensive; over or otherwise?

[Empking]

No, I think I have the strength of mind not to get on a mafia site when I'm drunk.

I have a question for you now, why are you "obvtown"? I haven't seen anything that points strongly towards either alignment yet, but I do find you suspicious already. So if you made an "obvtown" post somewhere and I missed it, I'd like to see it. :rollseyes:

The rollsseyes there is overcompensating btw.

I'm the only player properly invested in this game and trying to find the scum, ergo obvtown. Compare me to Whiskers, for example, I don't think he's said one word that could be construed as useful.

[Empking]

Being invested heavily in the game isn't alignment indicative, Scum can also be very invested in the game.

A couple of days into Day One? Agree to disagree there.

[Empking]

A couple of says into Day One scum will neither under pressure nor have enough information to profitably gambit. They've no reason to be invested most of the time. Thinking otherwise is not scummy, however.

[Empking]

Not a single sentence in that post is actually true. How post post 71, for example, anything but saying someone is definitely scum with something to say why.

[Empking]

Unvote, Vote: FuDzn

[Empking]

I thought misaligned refered to alignments changing?

This is also true.

[Empking]

I thought misaligned refered to alignments changing?

So your alignment changes when I die?

No. I want you to live. To live! And I've no reason to think

my

alignment will change, but in the sign up thread he says how some alignments will change.

[Empking]

Tummy: I can't see how they were saying what they were saying. I trusted Nachos opinion so I wanted to see if the problem was in me.

[Empking]

I believe Avering believes what he's saying; so he's town. He's also wildly wrong; Tammy might be scum, I've no reason to think she isn't, but not for that.

[Empking]

Empking - do you still think the central scrutinizer is a survivor after we've now had two survivor types admit to being survivor types?

Pimhel - why did you want whiskers to full claim but not avering?

The survivor types make it more likely that there are survivor types in the game, but make it less likely he's one of them. Overall, it's a wash.

[Empking]

I need a votecount to get back to understanding this game.

[Empking]

Thanks.

Yeah. Top wagon looks good.

[Empking]

TCS' relative indifference to being lynched relative to finding scum has convinced me that he's town.

Arc: IN my case it is all gut.

[Empking]

Its a couple of days left so wagons should really be being consolidated.

[Empking]

Vote: Tammy

- I feel; like she's trying to control the game in order to avoid being lynched (rather than to lynch scum).

[Empking]

I'm the vig you asshats. That's why I said it means more to me that my scum reads are correct. That's why I don't want to know characters because if I kill two certain characters it fulfills my personal win condition, but I worry if they're town it might actually turn me into a serial killer, and I don't that to happen.

Surely if you want to avoid killing two people then knowing who they are would be pretty useful?

[Empking]

Like for effing serious empking you are not new to mafia. You have to know that the person who is pretty active and aggressive and trying to move the game forward and figure out alignments is far more often town than scum. You're not a moron. I could totally see a newbie going "oh that makes me paranoid it's could be scum trying to fool me" but you're not a newbie and don't have that excuse.

I'm not so sure you're trying to find out alignments. It seems more like you've got set alignments to begin with and are badgering people who step out of them.

[Empking]

Like for effing serious empking you are not new to mafia. You have to know that the person who is pretty active and aggressive and trying to move the game forward and figure out alignments is far more often town than scum. You're not a moron. I could totally see a newbie going "oh that makes me paranoid it's could be scum trying to fool me" but you're not a newbie and don't have that excuse.

I'm not so sure you're trying to find out alignments. It seems more like you've got set alignments to begin with and are badgering people who step out of them.

Do better than that Empking. You're sounding really fake right now. And I want you to do better. You show the town what you're really made of. It might not matter tomorrow, but if I'm actually lynched, it will be examined later if any member of the town is still alive and smart, and I want you to make it clear why obvious town is suspect in your eyes.

You're not obvious town. You're clearly not obvious town. You're just trying to badger people into saying your obvious town. THe Vig claim is also very convenient for that badgering approach.

[Empking]

Like for effing serious empking you are not new to mafia. You have to know that the person who is pretty active and aggressive and trying to move the game forward and figure out alignments is far more often town than scum. You're not a moron. I could totally see a newbie going "oh that makes me paranoid it's could be scum trying to fool me" but you're not a newbie and don't have that excuse.

I'm not so sure you're trying to find out alignments. It seems more like you've got set alignments to begin with and are badgering people who step out of them.

Do better than that Empking. You're sounding really fake right now. And I want you to do better. You show the town what you're really made of. It might not matter tomorrow, but if I'm actually lynched, it will be examined later if any member of the town is still alive and smart, and I want you to make it clear why obvious town is suspect in your eyes.

You're not obvious town. You're clearly not obvious town. You're just trying to badger people into saying your obvious town. THe Vig claim is also very convenient for that badgering approach.

And just so you know this does not actually answer the question. But why am I not surprised. It's easier for you to just spout bs than actually come up with a real answer.

You didn't ask a question.

You're acting like a crazy person demanding answers to questions never asked. You're just trying to save your skin, its an original gambit but not one I wish to indulge.

(The whole
Post A: One of TCS or Empking are scum.
Post B: Empking is scum so don't listen to him, but I'm not lifting my vote from TCS because I've magically decided that they're partners.
is as fake as anything too.)

[Empking]

Um Empking, just because there wasn't a question mark, doesn't mean that telling you to make it clear why I'm suspect isn't a question, but nice way to skirt the issue.

So you're calling me scum because I didn't give in to your badgering to do whatever you say, and to ignore the elephant in the room of your repeated declarations of being obv-town.

On day one, the question is whether your false claim is found at sooner or later. Your implicit 'vote me and I'll vig you' approach is why the vig claim is awfully convenient.

[Empking]

But badgering people to do what I want? That's just complete made up bullshit.

Read your post 404, read any of your foulmouthed rants. Your strategy is badgering.

And I never ever threatened to vig anyone who voted me. This is completely made up and this is why you're more likely scum.

You've claimed you're the vig, and you've claimed that voting you is synonymous with being scum ("^ mark that. mark anyone who's actually still voting the vig."). If we take it as read that you'll 'vig' the player's you find suspicious then you're "threaten[ing] to vig anyone who voted [you]".

(On the point of my calling myself obv-town, post 74 was a question and 81 was a joke (back when I thought Whiskers had a post restriction.)

[Empking]

Votecount 1.17

The Central Scrutinizer (2) - Nachomamma8, Tammy
FuDuzn (2) - FourTrouble, Empking
Riningear (2) - Serrapaladin, FuDuzn
Empking (2) - Arc, Riningear
Tammy (1) - The Avering
Whiskers (1) - PimHel
FourTrouble (1) - The Central Scrutinizer

Not Voting (1) - Whiskers

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

PimHel is V/LA until 5/20

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Emp: why would scum-Tammy fakeclaim vig, when it's pretty easy to confirm? I'd say worst case is she's now a leashed SK, although I'm inclined to believe the vig claim.

1. 'oh I was RB'd' 'Oh, they must've been BP' 'oh, I don't know what happened, I don't get results back.' Its not that easy to confirm.
2. Scum forced to a claim Day One who two choices: 1. Get lynched now 2. Get lynched later. She chose get lynched later, I don't think we should allow her that.

Arc: Why should I have tried to out a real vig?
A vig claim, or lack of it means nothing. If a counter-claim, then she's scum and we've outted the real vig. A lack of vig claim then she's still scum and the mafia knows they don't need to worry about a vig. Asking for a counterclaim has no advantage over just lynching her. She was scum when I voted her and she's still scum even now.

[Empking]

If I were trying to out another role as empking says I'm doing with the VIG claim, why would I do it with VIG?

When did I say that? Tammy is continuing with her barrage of untruths to continue to try and get the game on the wrong track.

[Empking]

If I were trying to out another role as empking says I'm doing with the VIG claim, why would I do it with VIG?

When did I say that? Tammy is continuing with her barrage of untruths to continue to try and get the game on the wrong track.

This is a scum claim. Are you and TCS competing for who can use the most hyperbole in a game?

If I have a barrage of untruths, list them. But you couldn't even give reasons for why you actually suspect me last night, and instead argued over whether or not my request was a question.

But by all means co time with your empty rhetoric, hopefully once I'm confirmed town people will recognize you for what you are.

That's how I interpreted 425 and was picked up on by whiskers.

So I never said what you said I said - 'That's how I interpreted 425' is not what town who misinterpreted my post would have said. Its more or less an admission that you misinterperated me and people don't consider their own interpretations misinterpretations - your lies in your last post were 1. 'But you couldn't even give reasons for why you actually suspect me last night' when I said my reason was you choosing to barrage rather than scumhunt. 2. 'instead argued over whether or not my request was a question.' no I didn't - you lied (3) and said you made a question when you didn't and you then lied (4) and said requests and questions are the same thing. 'That's how I interpreted 425 and was picked up on by whiskers.' is your third lie in that post (5). Add that to your 100s of 'I'm obvtown posts', your 100s of 'I'm not barraging' posts and you've approximately 517 lies and I'm undoubtedly missing some.

[Empking]

A counterclaim is the fastest way to call bs on the situation, not the best but the fastest. Empking jumping on a claimed vig without trying to prove bs is what i was arguing about.

No the fastest way is to just call it. That's also the best way.

[Empking]

If I were trying to out another role as empking says I'm doing with the VIG claim, why would I do it with VIG?

When did I say that? Tammy is continuing with her barrage of untruths to continue to try and get the game on the wrong track.

This is a scum claim. Are you and TCS competing for who can use the most hyperbole in a game?

If I have a barrage of untruths, list them. But you couldn't even give reasons for why you actually suspect me last night, and instead argued over whether or not my request was a question.

But by all means co time with your empty rhetoric, hopefully once I'm confirmed town people will recognize you for what you are.

That's how I interpreted 425 and was picked up on by whiskers.

So I never said what you said I said - 'That's how I interpreted 425' is not what town who misinterpreted my post would have said. Its more or less an admission that you misinterperated me and people don't consider their own interpretations misinterpretations - your lies in your last post were 1. 'But you couldn't even give reasons for why you actually suspect me last night' when I said my reason was you choosing to barrage rather than scumhunt. 2. 'instead argued over whether or not my request was a question.' no I didn't - you lied (3) and said you made a question when you didn't and you then lied (4) and said requests and questions are the same thing. 'That's how I interpreted 425 and was picked up on by whiskers.' is your third lie in that post (5). Add that to your 100s of 'I'm obvtown posts', your 100s of 'I'm not barraging' posts and you've approximately 517 lies and I'm undoubtedly missing some.

Lies. I didn't say I misinterpreted it. I said that's how I interpreted it. You even quote it. Reading is tech...derp derp.

Show the lie. The 'ed' in 'interpreted' is trying to run away from it. Why are you trying to run away from it? Because you interpret my post as saying your motive was to survive this day and your interpretation of my post has always been that.

Where wasn't I scumhunting. That's a lie.

1. Not a lie.
2. Read your posts. Going 'this is a scum claim' after every other post is not how people scumhunt. Reading posts is how you scumhunt, and there's absolutely

no

evidence of you analyzing anyone's post. Sure you quote someone and if the coin lands on heads you go 'this is a lie/bs/please replace me' and if it lands on tails you go 'this is a scum claim/mark how this person had the audacity to look at me funny/I'm obv-town/wah wah wah', but there's no evidence of you looking at something someone else's point of view or anything to show you're trying to make your mind up rather than having it made up already when you got a scum PM.

You've played with me before. This is how I scum hunt. Saying you barrage is not actially giving a reason for someone being scum. It's using empty words and rhetoric that means nothing.

No the way you use 'empty words' is just rhetoric that means nothing. The way I use barrage means how you're not hunting scum you're trying to bog everyone who suspects you, or a buddy probably, down with just a whole tidal wave of ridiculousness.

Post 402 is you telling me I didn't ask you a question when I quite clearly told you to explain the scum read so that if I get lynched when people are reviewing it later, you would be held accountable. You didn't answer that. You said all you're doing is badgering people into calling you town. That is complete bs and I told you that doesn't answer it.

But it wasn't 'bs' and it did answer it. What would you call your 'do this' 'do it again' approach to this game other than a barrage. You are trying to barrage people down; your denial of that is proof that you've not got the town's best interest at heart.

Am I questioning people about the stuff they throw at me? Duh I'm fucking tow of course I'm going to. I actually care about the game and finding actual scum, and determining if someone's suspicion of me is genuine or fake is a way to get a read on them. Like this isn't your first time playing mafia.

Even if you were town, you'd never think someone had a genuine scum read on you. I respect your townplay too much to think you'd actually waste your time trying to sift genuine suspicions of you from the fake ones if you were town. You've a blindspot, you know it, and if you were town you wouldn't hunt scum in that blind spot.

Do you realize I called myself obvious town 4 times? One of them was part in jest to you because of you calling yourself obvious town. Three others were last night. I've referenced my town win condition when talking about that and my town play, so you're just super exaggerating and making stuff up. That's why you're scum. Town has no reason to lie like you just did or argue over whether something is a question. Town would just do it, but you have no real reason to think I'm scum so have to resort to making stuff up.

The idea that saying you called yourself obv-town five hundred and twelve times counts as a scum-motivated lie is hilarious. It also proves my point of you not scumhunting and just barraging. Only scum focused on their own posts could mistake my hyperbolic attempt at a joke as a false claim masquerading as the truth.

[Empking]

Avering: Tammy was in that game with you; she's also the sort of player to remember what you just outlined.

Everyone: Tammy is not a SK. She is mafia claiming a vig because its pretty much guaranteed to make us waste a late-lynch rather than spending the day one lynch on her. There's no point leashing her because she has no independent kill to be leashed. I did the same strategy as a Bookie in a semi-recent large normal. You lot are playing like it is early 2012 rather than mid-2013. You're going to mislynch me today, buy her 'me no know why no kill' tomorrow, and finally lynch her on day four where the remaining scum manage to walk under the radar to stroll to victory.

[Empking]

How can you be so sure about that? I honestly don't see it. Claiming Vig is far from the optimal thing to do in her position. Do you think her little outbreak was faked?

That's my working theory. What claim, other than Vig, do you think would give her the best chance of surviving today? It seems to me that with everyone squawking about 'provability' vig is the best claim because everyone has forgotten that once Tammy fails to prove herself we can't go back to day one and lynch her and get that day earlier piece of info.

[Empking]

Avering: Tammy was in that game with you; she's also the sort of player to remember what you just outlined.

It's your assumption I hoped that someone in this game read that game and would notice my attitude was different and proclaim me real VIG due to it?

The use of 'hoped' there is completely insincere considering that you know Avering was in that game.

This is preposterous. Now you get to tell me who makes sense as a partner to Patrick Bateman.

There's more evidence of you being a vig than you being Patrick Bateman. That's just begging the question.

[Empking]

Thank you for acknowledging that I'm a VIG. I appreciate that!

If you have to lie then you're not town, and you know that's a lie.

Whiskers: I've no wincon connection with TCS.

[Empking]

You don't actually think that using the word 'vig' in a sentence is synonymous with "Tammy is a Vig". Your AtE tantrum means you're not getting lynched today. My hope is that when you fail to 'non-mafia'

Awe I feel like pouting for you empking.

You do realize Nacho's role makes it certain there's a vig in this game

No it doesn't. If this was a role-madness theme game, or even a theme-flavoured theme game then maybe, but it isn't. Its a b game and there's nothing in Nacho's role suggesting a vig.

So, sorry about your wrong read and your inability to admit when you're wrong.

I can admit when I'm wrong, I had a mild town-read on you for most of the game (well a week in the middle). I admitted to myself that you were not town once you stopped scumhunting and started badgering. I then confirmed that with you inability to post anything remotely honest; other than when you knew Nacho knew about that Leprechaun game.

[Empking]

TCS is town. The other two names you gave were null.

There's more evidence of you being a vig

than you being Patrick Bateman. That's just begging the question.

In case you don't understand what I was referring to.

lol
U 50 funny

Now, if we can play mafia rather than YouTube trolling, there's evidence for any hypothesis. The fact that you being Patrick Bateman is even less likely than you being a vig does not make it likely that you're a vig.

You have not been honest in this game. You have frequently played dumb. You have frequently played hysterical. You have frequently 'misinterpreted' on purpose, and yes you've frequently outright lied. You've been faking all game and my only hope is that you won't get to day three.

[Empking]

No it doesn't. If this was a role-madness theme game, or even a theme-flavoured theme game then maybe, but it isn't. Its a b game and there's nothing in Nacho's role suggesting a vig.

It implies killers of multiple factions or my role is boring as shit and mostly useless.

That's your role all right.

[Empking]

Rin: Any info on God?

[Empking]

Nacho: Does your rolename have anything to do with god? (If you don't want to answer that don't)
My current working philosophy of Arc's role is that you were supposed to fakeclaim god after Arc claimed, or otherwise trick Arc into vigging you. If you've something in your PM that bolsters that then that would make Tammy's role not only non-complementary with your role but positively damaging to the Arc-Nacho combination.

[Empking]

My issue with Emp, so that I don't come off as a hypocrite, is that he's more responsive to criticism of his own theories against others than of accusations of his own role. Now we need pressure on him from the town, because he's obviously ignoring the pressure until we drop the subject. It worked.

I have never been seriously pressure. Like for a couple of hours a couple of days ago people were voting me until Nacho went "no. don't. no." and it all vanished. I'm not going to focus on myself when Tammy is right there.

[Empking]

Does everyone know about god but me?

No.

[Empking]

FourTroble's claim looks like a faolseclaim riffing off Arc to me. He's lent nothing to defend it, and it just seems weird that he hasn't loopholed his claimed post restriction.

Unvote
Vote: FourTrouble

[Empking]

FourTroble's claim looks like a faolseclaim riffing off Arc to me. He's lent nothing to defend it, and it just seems weird that he hasn't loopholed his claimed post restriction.

Unvote
Vote: FourTrouble

Here is why we have to lynch FT today. If he's lying, then he's scum. If he's telling the truth, he could still be scum. And if he's telling the truth and he is scum, that highly calls in to question Arc's claim in my mind, as well as Nacho's clear.

So we have a lot to be gained by this I think, in addition to whatever other information we get from night actions.

I've got to say that I buy Nacho as town, and by association Arc. If they were gambitting with a creative use of a control the mod action then that would be impressive, but I don't think that's likely.

[Empking]

Votecount 1.28

Not Voting (12) - Serrapaladin, FuDuzn, Arc, The Avering, The Central Scrutinizer, Whiskers, PimHel, Empking, Riningear, Tammy, Nachomamma8, FourTrouble

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

1. Does anyone reecall when deadline is?
2. Can anyone explain this?
3...

Vote: FourTRouble

[Empking]

I'll presum I'm alive.

[Empking]

I asked him if he was a survivor, and he lied to me!

OK, seriously raise your hand if you know something about heaven. I don't.

[Empking]

Honestly, in hindsight, I feel like the "heaven" discussion was all hinting at the God's existence within the game, but it was so confusing that it ended up being non-conclusive.

Anyway, I suppose there are more important things to talk about here.

I'm not just asking randomly.

[Empking]

VOTE: Empking

Why?

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Fudz makes an accurate point re: asking about morning, but I'm not sure if the point means anything.

[Empking]

Unvote
Vote: Tammy

- I said there'd only be one kill and you'd still all drop it. :psychic:

[Empking]

Whiskers has a pro-scum role so obviously you wouldn't want to kill him. This game did not seen like the sort with a full vig so obviously you wouldn't have to worry about that. The important thing to remember is that you had to claim a role because you were run up and Vig is singularly the best way to keep for being lynched Day One.

[Empking]

If you can lead to lynching town D! and lead town lynches until yourself are lynched then that is "how to keep my partners safe, not myself". You had to strongly proclaim killing someone and would proclaim the one that would most allow you to survive the night during which, apparently, the rest of the town had their memories erased!

I'm assuming you thought TCS was a powerful town PR; persunably your team thought you saw a crumb or thought it was PR-protecting lurkage.

[Empking]

I can't see how in any universe that I would kill TCS as scum. Just not at all.

You would if you thought he was a strong pro-town role. Yes, I know you were wrong about that It's not impossible for you to be wrong.

[Empking]

Post 845 is essentially 'if everything I've said thus far is true then I must be town' and I agree with that, I just don't think everything you've said thus far is true. For one thing, I don't buy it when you call yourself town.

You could have thought TCS was a power role if you misread something as a breadcrumb.

[Empking]

There is not a chance in hell I fake claim vig as scum. Sorry. There's just not. I wouldn't take the chance of getting shot by a real vig if there was one. And I damn sure wouldn't do it knowing that my kill would be the only kill. Sorry. I just wouldn't. If I were going to fake-claim at all, I'd fake-claim a doctor or cop or tracker or something, not vig. Just wouldn't happen.

And, if in some weird parallel universe I did fake claim vig as scum, there's no chance in hell I kill TCS. Sorry there's just not.

None of that play makes sense from me as scum. It just doesn't. The only way you can actually truly believe that is to believe I'm a flipping moron. Which I'm not.

Yes or no question: If you were scum are all-but certain that TCS was a sane Cop would you have killed him?

[Empking]

Votecount 2.2

Whiskers (2) - PimHel, Arc
Empking (1) - Riningear
Tammy (1) - Empking

Not Voting (7) - FuDuzn, Tammy, Nachomamma8, Serrapaladin, Whiskers, The Avering

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

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I don't think town would repeat 'I'm town' as often as you do, especially since you claim to consider me town. Your repetition of 'I am not town' gets in the way of the scumhunting process.

[Empking]

Then you clearly have not been in or read many games with me. Yes, I call myself town when I'm town because it's the truth. Calling myself town when people are calling me scum does not get in the way of the scum hunting process, now you're just getting silly and you're overexaggerating again. And what does me considering you a town read have to do with anything? It makes more sense if I call myself town to someone I'm considering as town. I don't need to convince scum I'm town, they already know I am.

Yes and you're not convincing me that you're town. You are simply asserting it repeatedly.

[Empking]

Well I'm sorry that my inserting logic into your wtf theory is so confusing for you. Hopefully the rest of town still has their brain cells intact.

Saying 'I'm not scum' isn't logic It's an assertion. Are your posts full of only that assertion? No, there are other baseless claims too.

[Empking]

Well I'm sorry that my inserting logic into your wtf theory is so confusing for you. Hopefully the rest of town still has their brain cells intact.

Saying 'I'm not scum' isn't logic It's an assertion. Are your posts full of only that assertion? No, there are other baseless claims too.

Huh funny, I was viewing all of your posts as being baseless assertions because that's what they actually are.

Explaining to you why they don't make sense was what I was doing.

You have not been explaining anything. You have asserted that you were town. You have said you wouldn't have killed TCS, as scum, until you changed your mind and said you might. THe most important thing you've done is your constant 'nice town read I have of you. Shame if something happened to it' rhetoric.

The central point I have against you is the complete unlikelihood of there being a full Vig.
Your rebuttal: I wouldn't have claimed Vig in case there was a full vig.
My rebuttal: That wasn't a realistic risk.
Your claim: Look at the kill.
My rebuttal: It isn't what you promised to do yesterday, and it's a kill that could have come if you thought TCS was a strong PR.
Your rebuttal: I didn't think TCS was a power role. I thought he was scum, and I vigged him because I thought FT was the counter wagon to scum TCS.

Fundamentally, you haven't countered the fundamental point that a full Vig being put in the game is very unlikely.

[Empking]

Serra:
There are two possibilities.
1. Tammy lied and is scum. (Not a vig)
2. Tammy lied and is town. (No Whiskers kill)
Scum kept from killing for some reason.
The mod put in multiple killing roles including one full vig.

Use Occam's Razor for a second.

[Empking]

I know for a fact the simplest nd most accurate reason is mine.

See this is a lie. You being town makes three assumption; you being scum makes on assumption (you didn't contest that) and one assumption is simpler than three assumptions.

You said you were going to kill QWhiskers. You deliberately didn't. That's a lie.

[Empking]

I know for a fact the simplest nd most accurate reason is mine.

See this is a lie. You being town makes three assumption; you being scum makes on assumption (you didn't contest that) and one assumption is simpler than three assumptions.

You said you were going to kill QWhiskers. You deliberately didn't. That's a lie.

What didn't I contest? What huh?

That you being scum makes one assumption (thus is simpler) and that you being town make three assumptions (thus is complicated).

So, you've seen that your 'Keep voting me and I'll drop my town read of you' rhetoric has failed and you're going with 'you voting me is making the game unfun ' the choosing the most effective mask is not classic town behavior, it's classic scum behavior.

[Empking]

TCS was a Survivor. So what? Unlike you, I'm after lynching scum not lynching non-mafia Survivors.

I am analyzing what you say. Its just that the analysis of a person saying 'I'm town and I forbid you to suggest anything else' one thousand and twelve times is that the person is lying and is not town with scum motives for wanting to ban the discussion.

If you were actually town who thought I was tunneling then you wouldn't be repeating yourself over and over again since that's the best way of getting your attacker to repeat the same things over and over again as you continuously commit the same sins over and over again.

[Empking]

There's actually more wrong with empking. How does he have the presence of mind to think that arc/nacho wouldn't likely pull a gambit like they pulled as scum but has to come up with a convoluted theory tht makes me scum including out guessing the mod in a bastard game. I'd be able to buy his paranoid townie shtick if it was evenly applied, but rational thought in one area but not in another? Nope. Sorry.

See this is you not being genuine. If you think the set up will be one that is unoutguessable because of the nature of this game then you are outguessing the mod! You're calling me ridiculous for outguessing the mod in the same breath you're trying to outguess the mod! I'm saying that the nature of the game makes a vig unlikely while you're saying that the nature of the game makes my logic invalid; those are both guesses on the nature of the game.

I also don't believe you genuinely think 'Tammy is a vig that killed TCS and the scum kill magically vanished' is simpler than 'Tammy is scum that killed TCS'. If you wanted to say this game was complicated then I could buy that, but you don't, you want to frankly deny reality. That's because you're scum and you've gotten into the habit of denial.

[Empking]

TCS was a Survivor. So what? Unlike you, I'm after lynching scum not lynching non-mafia Survivors.

I am analyzing what you say. Its just that the analysis of a person saying 'I'm town and I forbid you to suggest anything else' one thousand and twelve times is that the person is lying and is not town with scum motives for wanting to ban the discussion.

If you were actually town who thought I was tunneling then you wouldn't be repeating yourself over and over again since that's the best way of getting your attacker to repeat the same things over and over again as you continuously commit the same sins over and over again.

I have explained myself and why your theory does not make sense for me.
You are not analyzing what I say because you would not be oversimplifying it to this if you were. I've explained my thought process and how I actually think when scum and why your theories don't make sense and especially not for me.

Oh I didn't realize that when I am being attacked with wild theories I'm not supposed to defend myself. That's a load of crock. Oh if you were innocent you'd let me pummel you to the ground. It's your fault I'm attacking you, if you'd stop defending yourself, I wouldn't attack you any more.

Gods youre awful.

'I'm town and its boorish for you to say otherwise' is not a real defense. Denying the logic of my claims is not a real defense. Appeals to emotions are not a real defense. If you can't say anything new and true then say nothing at all; its what I'd do. If I was being attacked I would say my piece disputing the disputable and then trust the town to read me accurately; I expect you think the same, but simply don't want the town to read you accurately, thus your millions of posts where one could do fine. Any player that is trying to get a 'I didn't read it properly, but it looks like a town v town fight' response is clearly not town, and that is clearly what you're after.

[Empking]

They re not fucking guesses. My role pm tells me what I am, like are you five?

I was treating you as if you were town. Obviously, you know that you're not a Vig and when claiming vig you probably had the same belief of the likelihood of there being a vig in this game as I; a belief you were vindicated about. If you were town however then my guess that there isn't a vig and your guess that the set up cannot be guessed would be equally guessy.

Have you been reading my posts! No, really have you? I postulated that everyone thought they were town at one point. I've wondered if I hit town, would I become a serial killer.

I've haven't gotten into the habit of shit because I'm town. But whatever, lynch me ns when I flip town VIG just like I said I would, do town a favor ns toe or yourself the next day, I'd like for town to win thanks and you're just bloody awful

I'm done with you, you have moved on to full blown stupid and I need sleep.

Out of curiosity, how may times how you done the exact same 'I'm done with you' AtE? It seems to be one of your goto stratagems, of which you have many.

I am good with lynching Tammy, and then celebrating that I caught scum while you muppets painted your nails.

[Empking]

They re not fucking guesses. My role pm tells me what I am, like are you five?

I was treating you as if you were town. Obviously, you know that you're not a Vig and when claiming vig you probably had the same belief of the likelihood of there being a vig in this game as I; a belief you were vindicated about. If you were town however then my guess that there isn't a vig and your guess that the set up cannot be guessed would be equally guessy.

Oh do I? Considering that my role pm says VIG who wins with the town, I don't have to guess shit about that.

I might be wrong. The claim you make is that I'm being completely illogical, unforgivably outguessing the mod etc etc those claims are nothing to do with your role PM.

You're making an implausible guess about what I would or wouldn't guess was in a setup. The last several games I was in had a VIG, so why wouldn't I assume one was here if I were cum fake claiming, and why wouldn't I fake Liam something that would out an actual role?

Because Vigs are a strong power role that gets in the way of the mod putting in cuh-razy roles of the sort in this cuh-razy game.

Do go on *rests head on hands*. I'd love to hear more about what you *know* about my play.

I'm judging it from this game. Going 'I'm Done' has been one of the goto tactics in this game. I absolutely have knowledge of your play in this game and its not mudslinging to point out your repeated 'I'm done' in this game.

I also love that you attack me or defending myself and then attack me when I say I'm done. You're a champ there buddy.

Fool me once shame on you. Fool me sixty-seven times shame on me.

I'm not going to fight my lynch. It is a good lynch. It will stop a distraction, but only scum will be celebrating cuz mr Bateman? We're flipping town. But you already know that.

For someone not fighting your lynch, it certainly looks like you're doing a lot of fighting your lynch?

[Empking]

Not a chance in anything is Whiskers scum.

[Empking]

I doubt there are only survivors, else this wouldn't classify as a game of Mafia, I think. I wouldn't be surprised if all the survivors before scum at some point, or something. That would sort of fit to the whole "misaligned" thing.

Can you rephrase that, please?

[Empking]

Multiple is just two so I doubt that speculation is true with just two.

[Empking]

How can Avering get confirmation for his information without giving his information out?

[Empking]

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How can Avering get confirmation for his information without giving his information out?

Who said anything about not giving his information out?

He hasn't given his information out.

[Empking]

(otherwise Whiskers just royally screwed us out of a scumlynch, and should be lynched in his stead for great justice)

?

[Empking]

Whiskers said that he knew Hitler's alignment.

Yes, but how did that keep us from getting a scum lynch?

Unless Avering knows Tammy is Hitler? And also has that rolename?

[Empking]

Unless Avering knows Tammy is Hitler? And also has that rolename?

where the fuck did Tammy even come from

Where when a mummy and daddy love each other very much...

[Empking]

Unless Avering knows Tammy is Hitler. Why does it matter if it's Tammy as opposed to Serra?

Tammy's fakeclaimed. Has Serra claimed?

[Empking]

If Avering knew that Tammy was Hitler, then I think that he wouldn't be going about this in the way that he has been.
Do you disagree?

Avering is definitely suspicious of Tammy. I'd have blurted it out myself, but I can see the point of doing what Avering is doing.

[Empking]

THe fact tyhat TAmmy knows she speaking rubbish, thus why she's afraid of me responding yet still says it is very telling.

Tammy isn't HItler though unless she's scumbuddies with Whiskers.

[Empking]

1. How is saying that Tammy's role isn't Hitler confirmation bias.
2. Fud, who's Hitler? I only want Fud to answer me.

[Empking]

1. How is saying that Tammy's role isn't Hitler confirmation bias.

Can I answer this one?

If you'd like.

[Empking]

Votecount 2.7

Empking (3) - Riningear, Tammy, Whiskers
Whiskers (2) - PimHel, Arc
Tammy (1) - Empking

Not Voting (4) - Nachomamma8, Serrapaladin, The Avering, FuDuzn

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

PimHel has requested replacement. Seeking replacement.

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It's not that particular thing, that is confirmation bias. It's your unceasing but unconvincing attack.

For instance this--

Unless Avering knows Tammy is Hitler? And also has that rolename?

Mentioning Tammy out of nowhere when she has nothing to do with the situ (am I right?) just looks bad. Like you can't possibly be bothered with anything else BUT TAMMY.

It's super late and I don't remember what your previous attack on her was, but it was very "meh." I said, "back off, Emp, and attack her again when there's more" but you ignored me-- I guess that's ok. But since you can't seem to

lay off

, and you haven't convinced

anyone else

with your tunnelling-- yeah. Having convinced yourself is confirmation bias.
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Ah, I see where you're going wrong.the people hat have confirmation bias are the ones that have been convinced that she's town after her half-hearted AtE. Who do you think is less willing to admit they're wrong? Somebody who misread a town player as scum, as one is liable to do every game when town, or people who were taken it like gullible fools by a silly put-on tantrum? Remember that before the tantrum Tammy was a top suspect; I don't need to convince the town that I right, I need to convince the town that its not embarrassing to admit they were right before Tammy dropped her bouncing AtE bombs.

[Empking]

No, I'm not convinced that she's town. but I'm also not convinced that

you're

town. and I'm not convinced by you that she's scum.

Her AtE made her look a lot worse, to me.
You attack on her makes YOU look a lot worse, to me.
So, her going from a townread to maybe even a null read for AtE (but not really, since it shouldn't affect her alignment or my perception of her at all). And then Her going back to a townier read, for defeating your weakass argument-- and she

defeated

it, not just "lalala, you're wrong". You actually

lose

points for pushing the weakass argument like it's valid.

I'm neither a Survivor or Scum. Unlike Tammy or you, I don't care about losing points.

[Empking]

Urgh, and you're continuing the 'I found Tammy town' lie, she claimed for a reason because (collective) you did not find her town.

[Empking]

If four people had you as a top suspect, counting TCS, then you were quite obviously

a

top suspect and quite likely

the

top suspect.

[Empking]

I'm willing ton forgoe lynching Hitler today. Who to lynch instead?

[Empking]

Every time someone outs their role in this thread, the entire focus shifts to that person for about twenty posts. For example. Yes, it is quite concerning that we have Patrick Bateman in our presence, but is Tammy scum? Why, in any universe or game, would a vigilante also be mafia? I even asked Jebus, he thought it was the dumbest fucking question he ever heard. Vigilante is third-party. End of story. If you can give a straightforward, better argument than Empking (who I still refuse to believe is town) that she isn't vigilante, then we can talk.

There was one (1) kill last night.

Nacho: How often do scum claim D1, without a role-assisted gambit, and survive to endgame?

[Empking]

@Emp, why not wait and see how many kills we have tonight before going completely off on TammyScum. There are plenty of reasons to account for Tammy being a legitVig.

None of which we have any reason to suspect.

[Empking]

Tammy: Where have I lied?

[Empking]

From Day one, I suspected Empking, and Empking has been continuing to act the same way as on day one, overly aggressive and tunneling towards a player that is very likely a town power role.

How is she very likely a town power role? Give me one reason why her claim is believable.

[Empking]

It's not all that uncommon. What's rare is scum claiming VIGILANTE and using their only kill in order to shoot people who are suspicious instead of people who are actually threats to them.

TCS was hardly that suspected. What he did do was

suspect

scum like the infamous Tammy.

[Empking]

FourTrouble (5) - Empking, The Central Scrutinizer, The Avering, Riningear, PimHel
The Central Scrutinizer (5) - Tammy, Nachomamma8, FourTrouble, Arc, FuDuzn

If its nearing deadline the counterwagon will gather more steam than it deserves.

[Empking]

TCs may have been one of the most suspected person at the time, but it is

far

from likely that that would make it easier to lynch him after a Night to collect your thoughts. If he was onto her and some other members of her team, or if they thought he had a good PR themn I don't think 'was a last minute counterwagon' counts as a convincing reason to avoid killing him.

P-Edit: Bear Grilles did not randomly get killed by a magical hypothermia demon.

[Empking]

TCs may have been one of the most suspected person at the time, but it is far from likely that that would make it easier to lynch him after a Night to collect your thoughts. If he was onto her and some other members of her team, or if they thought he had a good PR themn I don't think 'was a last minute counterwagon' counts as a convincing reason to avoid killing him.

No offense to TCS, but he was playing like shit if he was town and I seriously, seriously doubt that Tammy would be afraid of him over me, you, serra, Arc...

I don't think anybody's got great day play this game. If they thought they could take away the best night-threat then that's sensible. If they thought TCS was a night-kill frit SK then that's make a sensible kill for the scum team.

[Empking]

I don't think anybody's got great day play this game. If they thought they could take away the best night-threat then that's sensible. If they thought TCS was a night-kill frit SK then that's make a sensible kill for the scum team.

No one's gotten great day play because scum hasn't been lynched yet.
But there are still people who make greater threats than others.

Yes, and a suspected night power role is the foremost threat.

[Empking]

P-Edit: Bear Grilles did not randomly get killed by a magical hypothermia demon.

I wouldn't be so sure. The way my current power (that delayed day-roleblock) is flavoured, a hypothermia-flavored kill isn't out of the question.

Bear Grilles being targeted by it though? The likely answer is that TCS role is to blame for the 'died of hypothermia', that's especially true if you don't think scum-Tammy would kill TCS.

[Empking]

Well I agree with this and Empking is all to gleeful to try to create a distraction that people can lurk and hide behind.

It feels more like he's attacking you because he doesn't have a choice to do anything else. Which is weird because every other character who is a lyncher to someone else (you, Arc, Avering) has a kill for their target and Empking apparently doesn't. That's the thing that gives me pause and I have no idea why it does.

Read the game.
Tammy: You lie!
Me: Where?
Tammy: You know!

Tammy has had much more posts about me than I've heard about me. Somebody who claims vig where there's no evidence of there being a vig; Tammy's arguments against it all depend on her making the sole decision on who to kill and that's ridiculous.

[Empking]

Well I agree with this and Empking is all to gleeful to try to create a distraction that people can lurk and hide behind.

It feels more like he's attacking you because he doesn't have a choice to do anything else. Which is weird because every other character who is a lyncher to someone else (you, Arc, Avering) has a kill for their target and Empking apparently doesn't. That's the thing that gives me pause and I have no idea why it does.

Read the game.
Tammy: You lie!
Me: Where?
Tammy: You know!

Tammy has had much more posts about me than I've heard about me. Somebody who claims vig where there's no evidence of there being a vig; Tammy's arguments against it all depend on her making the sole decision on who to kill and that's ridiculous.

Firstly, that would be because you two went back and forth for, what, 40 posts total or more throughout the course of this thread? And you're still refusing to let down even though very few of us actually agree with you 100%? Not that we believe Tammy entirely, you're just even sketchier.

I'm not trying to convince you that Tammy is scum. I'm trying to convince you to look at Tammy with an open mind. At which point you'll convince yourself of Tammy's scumitude.

[Empking]

@Emp, I don't buy TammyScum based solely on the single kill given that there was dual kill flavour. (Has Tammy claimed a target?) Save Tammy for another day, let her prove herself.

Horrendous thought, are we sure there is actually even a scum faction, and it isn't just a bunch of town and third-party, all struggling to complete a variety of wincons? >_>

That's what happened yesterday. Then she failed to prove herself.

Yesterday I predicted this whole game based on the assumption that Tammy was scum. My prediction was right; my assumption was right.

[Empking]

Nacho: How likely do you think it is that Bear Grilles was randomly targeted by the Hypothermia demon? How much do you have to want to keep Tammy alive does one have to be by the point that you'd suggest that the magical Hypothermias demon did target Bear Grilles last night?

This: Emp's a lyncher thing is really annoying.
Tammy
1. Fakeclaimed (Yes, you're all idiots who can't see a fake Vig claim even when there's no kill to back it up. I said that yesterday, I was right about that.)
2. AtE after AtE after AtE. (Pl;eaee replace me, please lynch me repeat repeat repeat.)
3. Spams the thread despite not doing a hint of scumhunting.

You may disagree with me, but to act like fakeclaiming, AtE and active avoidance of scumhunting isn't scummy and doesn't constitute a reasonable suspicion is getting really annoying. Yes I might be going on with this but if I don't the game will just be going from one role minutiae tangent to another. As they're trying to do with me now; if you want to find someone whose role is to do with Tammy look at Arc 'The scum must have kill with hypothermia. Which was randomnly used on Grilles' McPartner.

[Empking]

Arc is not Tammy's partner. I made an error.

Now that we're in an no-judge zone does anyone else want to admit making an error, maybe about a certain AtEing spammy fake vig-claimant?

[Empking]

There are a variety of reasons Hypothermia could have been a valid flavor for a kill without a magical hypothermia demon wandering around.

Like you said, you never said Hyporthermia was a scum kill, the 'magical hypothermia demon' is whatever killer you think it is.

I believe the claim but if we don't get two night kills soon, I'll likely change my tune.

I doubt your prediction there.

[Empking]

ITT Empking continues to lie, and people continue to not notice.

I have not lied. You know I haven't lied. If you thought I'd lied you'd point out where I did rather than speak in riddles e.g. 'people continue to not notice'.

[Empking]

AV: Everyone has been playing so poorly that other than 'not Arc or Nacho' its very difficulty. If pushed I'd go with you and Serra since you seem (most) happy with Tammy's current situation.

I have on three different occasions, including that post you are responding to, pointed out your lies.

No. You've claimed to be scumhunting but presented no evidence of the fact, but I think everyone can see that you haven't scumhunted in a long time if ever. When Nacho asked you directly of your thoughts on a couple of players you gave fifty shades of null (1059); I think that shows an active avoidance of scumhunting and staking out positions.

[Empking]

Empking (who is clearly wrong,

I say Tammy doesn't scumhunt and just spams. Same day you say the same thing and I'm 'clearly wrong'! Ridiculous.

P-Edit: I'm not the one spamming the thread. That's just quantitatively false.

[Empking]

Shut the hell up. You say "Tammy is scum because scum's best move would be to murder themselves with a claim!" and "TammyScum would have shot a viable mislynch because scum wants town to only lynch scum!"

1. Scum's best move is to have there claim murder them in future after saving them in the present if they need to be saved. That's a fact of mafia.
2. If the scum can claim vig whose going to shoot Whiskers and is then considered town after deciding not to kill Whiskers and is instead responsible fort the other kill then if TCS was an actual power role there wouldn't have been much chance of him getting lynched. (the idea that scum never shoots viable mislynched makes me wonder if you've ever been scum with no claims on the table.)

Seriously, I think your posts show how much nobody but me and scum are thinking. You've seen the light and are simply quoting me chapter and verse, but can't admit that because you're ashamed that Tammy tricked you for so long.

[Empking]

See, the psychological bullshit isn't fooling me. It's making me mad, sure. It makes me want to curse you and shout at you and tell you to die until I'm replaced and banned, but no, I'm not "ashamed that tammy tricked me for so long". I'm pissed off that you're trying to bully me (oh, as usual), but I'm not convinced by your arguement. And I haven't seen any evidence that anyone else is either. That's why Tammy's arguing is so bad, by the way-- if you had convinced

anybody

that Tammy was scum, and she was defending herself, it would be fine. But here you are shouting out BS, a lone bully, and she's letting it get to her. That's stupid on her part.

1: Incorrect. Scum's best move is to have their claim not murder them at all, saving them now, and possibly later. Vig doesn't do that, since it is provable, to some extent. Of course, if I were mafia, I'd just no-kill toNight. Regardless, Tammy could have claimed something

not

provable. She didn't actually need to claim at all, if you'll recall.

Tammy has never been close to being lynched.

2: The idea that town never lynches power roles makes me wonder if you've ever been town, er, ever.
If you have a problem with Tammy

not

shooting me, then lynch me, get my flip, and use it to attack her. If you have a problem with Tammy

not

shooting me, take it up with Nachomamma, who was trying to negotiate with me to act more town, so Tammy wouldn't shoot me (as if he had any say in it).

Worse yet, Empking, people are at the point where they're not just ignoring you-- they're going along with you saying, "Yeah, sure, we

TOMORROW!!!!!!!!

we can look at the nightkills and if there's only one, we'll speculate some more. But you won't have it. You're being a useless piece of shit tunnelling on Tammy.
And Empking, you've not entertained the idea that Mafia doesn't have a nightkill (they don't, always), or that there

is

no mafia (an idea which has been brought up a couple of times by different players). You are basing your whole attack on a fistful of assumptions, and

no one is buying your bullshit

. It's not reasonable. Regardless of your possible rightness, you are not playing pro-town. Should we lynch you for that?

See that isn't remotely true. And 'you're trying to bully me' is just more pathetic nonsense.

This is partially a psychological game, going into partially psychological is fine. You're attacking Tammy for AtE, spamming etc just hours after I lay all that out. You may say that after days (weeks?) of doing everything you can to avoid confronting Tammy that that's just a coincidence, but since you've also said a whole lot of other rubbish that doesn't mean much - if you just keep on stealing my ideas then you'll be playing well.

1. Incorrect. Scum's best move is to use their magical powers to have all the town players modkilled on page one.
2. I never said towns never lynches power roles. I'm saying this town is playing awfully (which we are) and that they wouldn't lynch a power role (which they wouldn't.)

(Trying to accuse other people of being bullies when you had to be warned by the mod doesn't disprove the huge amount of denial in your posts, either.)

[Empking]

6) Sportsmanship.
-You signed up to play. Play to win, don't ruin the game for others.
-Games are for fun. Have fun, don't be a jerk please.

This goes for Tammy and Empking as well, to a lesser degree.

sighs

That's what you have to say to keep the bully from going 'but theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey're doing it.'

[Empking]

6) Sportsmanship.
-You signed up to play. Play to win, don't ruin the game for others.
-Games are for fun. Have fun, don't be a jerk please.

This goes for Tammy and Empking as well, to a lesser degree.

sighs

That's what you have to say to keep the bully from going 'but theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey're doing it.'

No, you guys

are

were really going at it. It was a little bit beyond ridiculous.

'I say Tammy doesn't scumhunt and just spams. Same day you say the same thing and I'm 'clearly wrong'! Ridiculous.'

Literally the only comment I made to Whiskers before Jebus' post and then Whiskers saying I'm the real bully.

P-Edit: 1. Yes. After me.
2. Yes, days (weeks?) ago.
3. That's untrue.
4. If we lived in a fantasy land where there's no trade-off between a claim being immediately credible and being long-run unfalsifiable tjhen you'd be right. My point is that you're wrong, and that if we are going to construct fantasies we should go whole hog.
5. Scumteams can mistakenly think someone is a power role.
6. How am I trying to pick a fight? Tammy is using AtE to trick people. If you can't admit they you were tricked then you should grow up, not accuse other people of trying to pick a fight.
6b. Accusing other people of not admitting to being wrong isn't denial. I myself have admitted to making an error earlier today. You continious, 'well you're just as baaad' when, to be frank, I'm not lends credence to your continuous denialism and weakness to the transparent techniques Tammy favours/

[Empking]

Look, guys. Can we

please

lynch Emp? And then if he turns up town/something not completely harmful then we can lynch Tammy?

I'm sticking to my reasons from Day 1, Emp's just going at it and dodging/ignoring/stumbling over points all over the place (per the post Whiskers made while I was typing this). They both seem really sketchy, and if Empking flips town, unless Tammy proves herself tonight, we can talk about Tammy more.

Day Three begins: Wow, one kill again. I guess this is proof that scum lack a kill. Plus, its proof that Tammy's a vig; how else could Nacho have died?

[Empking]

I haven't seen a decent argument for what's convinced you thoroughly about Tammy this entire game. What do you think about everyone else?

As I said earlier. You and Arc town. AV and Serra as mild scumtells.

[Empking]

AAARRRGH
Why do you feel you need to be on the forum at the same time? I want one of you to answer this question, because the only time I've ever needed someone on the forum at the same time as me, is when I was scum, and I needed my scumpartner online so we could quickhammer and win the game.

So, what the hell is going on here? Because

no other player

needs to be online at the same time as anyone else. That's the whole point of forum-mafia.

Why Are You Coordinating A Time?

Because we're trying to coordinate a scum quickhammer in thread. Why else do you think two people would want to talk about the game in real time?

You're being unfair there. Whiskers know why Tammy is 'trying' to coordinate a time; to avoid giving anything for as long as possible.

[Empking]

Not Jewish.

[Empking]

I kind of agree with you Nacho, we all seem fixated on our own personal win cons and really need to focus in on a lynch. I am willing to move to Empking.

I love it. 'we all seem fixated on our own personal win cons so lets lynch the player scumhunting'.

[Empking]

OK, everyone who doesn't vote Tammy should be treated as scum wanting a no lynch. We've got one day.

[Empking]

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