Mini 1476: Dewey Decimal Mafia (Game Over)

[Magua]

Hai guiz.

[Magua]

Lied about not reading a single post. Read page 40-now.

Darox is a dayvig, eh? We're on evens. Darox should kill. Then we lynch.

Believe Jake and notscience to be town. Darox as repeatable dayvig would be town. Leaves Flay and NSin as scum. Unsure on NSin. More sure on Flay.

[Magua]

Darox, you need to get your keister in here. Literally any shot is better than none.

[Magua]

Darox, less lying about your role please.

We have 5 days. It is *entirely, 1000000000000%* to our advantage to kill someone since we're on evens. We are going to do this thing. If you need the target to do something like yell, then they'll acquiesce or get lynched, but your whole "Guys, there's complicated rulez and shit" just comes across as a goddamned lie.

Prefer Darox shoots the bejeezus out of: Mr. Flay

[Magua]

what's with the prefer stuff? I don't get it.

I certainly have never heard of a role that needs the mod's permission to shoot anyone.

we should be lynching darox

Do you think Darox is scum lying about his role?

(I assume you do.)

Do you think Darox was responsible for the D1 kill?

Reasons, or just lols?

I think Darox, notscience, and Jake are town.

I think you go after easy targets because they're easy, and take the easy way out of posting opinions. With 6 alive, and knowing I'm town, I have the simple task of identifying 3 town and 2 scum. Could be wrong, but fine. You, on the other hand, say you have 0 town reads and seem to be making exactly zero progress in trying to get any.

[Magua]

@Mod:

You could put replacements in a spoiler tag or something, rather than footnoting every instance of the name.

@Jake:

And so you think the scum-motivation for claiming his role and claiming he has additional shots is...?

[Magua]

The problem I have with that theory is that if you're a claimed dayvig with claimed extra shots, you're going to be made to use your shots.

(Well, if people are halfway competent. But now that I'm here, the avg competency should be high enough.)

Claiming day vig with shots and then not being able to cough up additional shots does not seem like a winning scum move to me.

[Magua]

Flay, I find your lack of critical reasoning about this disturbing.

Look at Jake. Jake thinks Darox is lying. What does he do? He's trying to call Darox out by meeting the restriction.

You're all, "I think Darox is lying," but there's no asking questions of Darox, there's no vote on Darox, there's...just...nothing. "not going to see a strong read/vote from me" when there's three days left in the game in LYLO?

I disbelieve.

[Magua]

@Flay:

Violate the restriction three times. If Darox can't kill, he'll get lynched.

Here. I'll violate it too.

The first:

I'M SOOOOO SORRY TO TAYLOR SWIFT AND HER FANS AND HER MOM. I SPOKE TO HER MOTHER RIGHT AFTER AND SHE SAID THE SAME THING MY MOTHER WOULD'VE SAID. SHE IS VERY TALENTED! I LIKE THE LYRICS ABOUT BEING A CHEERLEADER AND SHE'S IN THE BLEACHERS! ........................ I'M IN THE WRONG FOR GOING ON STAGE AND TAKING AWAY FROM HER MOMENT!.................

BEYONCE'S VIDEO WAS THE BEST OF THIS DECADE!!!! I... WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD!!!! EVERYBODY WANNA BOOOOO ME BUT I'M A FAN OF REAL POP CULTURE!!! ... I'M STILL HAPPY FOR TAYLOR!!!! BOOOYAAAWWWW!!!! YOU ARE VERY VERY TALENTED!!! ... I'M NOT CRAZY YALL, I'M JUST REAL.

[Magua]

The second:

WE DO NOT NEED THIS. YOU STUPID PEOPLE. ... DO NOT BLAME US BECAUSE YOU CAN NOT AFFORD QUALITY. THE YELPERS, AND NOW THE REDDITS, NEED TO BACK OFF. YOURE NOT RIGHT BECAUSE OF SOME TV SHOW.

WE ARE NOT FREAKING OUT WE DO NOT CARE ABOUT A 'WITCH HUNT' I AM NOT A WITCH. I AM GODS CHILD. P--- OFF ALL OF YOU. F--- REDDITS, F--- YELP AND F--- ALL OF YOU. BRING IT. WE WILL FIGHT BACK.

[Magua]

The third:

IT GREAT GOVERNMENT RECORD EVERY PHONE CALL! NOW DRUNK HULK FIND OUT WHAT WAS SAID WHEN DRUNK HULK CALL YOU LAST NIGHT!

GAME OF THRONES! GO TO YOUR ROOM! AND THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU DONE!

IF YOU SEE MAN MAKING LOVE TO TONIC AND GIN AT BAR! NO SING SONG ABOUT IT! CALL POLICE IMMEDIATELY!

[Magua]

Also let me be clear about this.

If Darox is lying about his role for some goddamn reason, he's going to get lynched.

Otherwise, really want Darox to shoot Flay as soon as fucking possible. If Flay balks at posting three breaks, lynch.

[Magua]

You should disambiguate notscience from NSin.

[Magua]

notscience, who's scum?

[Magua]

Why is NSin town for you?

[Magua]

Great. Flay, get in here and scream three times.

[Magua]

Actually I think 2 more if he's already got that 1 Darox linked

Given that there's < 72 hours to go, I'd rather not waste any more time as-is.

[Magua]

(Also, I don't expect Flay to do it regardless.)

[Magua]

VOTE: Flay

This is the biggest pile of bullshit ever:

Oh no wait, you want me to let Darox shoot ME by meeting his kill restriction for him, when I know my death will hurt town (because I know my alignment)??"

So what's Flay's alternative plan? NL so that the MAFIA get to make a kill. Well, fuck me! Why didn't I think of that?

No.

There's been 12 fucking days in this Day already, waaaaaaaay more than enough to decide on a lynch, but Flay is all "We should NL." Hey, know what's better than NL'ing? Having Darox shoot fucking *randomly* and then lynching a person who's scummy. Flay was on the "Darox should shoot" train in 1160, but now he's not. Note the difference here. Town reaction would be either "Shoot my scumread," or "Fine, shoot me, but then lynch my scumread." Instead, he'd rather the Mafia get to choose who to kill over the Town getting to choose twice.

(Even if we were to shoot/lynch randomly, our EV is higher than NLing, which should be immediately obvious to anyone but Flay never comments on this.)

[Magua]

You goddamn morons.

VOTE: Mr. Flay

[Magua]

Jake is town, Flay is scum, and my mind is all aboggle trying to figure out NSin and notscience.

[Magua]

nope.jpg

There is literally no advantage in it except to help the Mafia decide who to kill tonight.

[Magua]

That's not even what I'm referring to.

It looks like you trying to schedule a hammer with someone.

notscience.

notscience.

Hey.

Walk me through your thought process here.

Do you think the scumteam is Jake/NSin? Because that is the only possible situation where the thought you've quoted above leads to.

So I'm curious if you think that, or if you're just spouting off random paranoid bullshit.

That's a serious question, and I do want an answer.

Also wanna know, after you've answered the above, do you think Flay is scum?

[Magua]

EBWOP: "you've quoted above" => "I've quoted above"

[Magua]

no im not scum
saki is never scum

NSin.

NSin.

"I'm not scum" is a useless line because it is to anyone's best interest to say it.

Useful line is who you *do* think is scum.

[Magua]

UNVOTE: Flay

Flay is scum.

But.

Want notscience and NSin to answer questions first.

[Magua]

Flay, who are you going to say you think is scum?

Umm I didn't change my read on you. I called you out yesterday and then when you refused to caps post that sealed the deal.

I'll be calm-er, and I agree with this sentiment, but I *do* have to ask: if that fucking sealed the deal, then why the fuck did you vote no lynch instead of fucking lynching him yesterday.

[Magua]

We had two more days, and if we don't hit deadline, then it NLs by default. There was zero Town advantage to actually voting for it.

Also, don't bother trying to reason with Flay. He's just flailing. Note how he didn't answer the "Who will you say is scum" question.

[Magua]

Yes, yes he is.

However, the NSin/notscience question is being quite competently hamstrung by the fact that both are useless black holes of posting.

[Magua]

I go away for 20 hours and get called a useless black hole

To be fair, I would've called you a useless black hole *before* the 20 hours, too.

And I'm not thinking it's flay anymore which sucks due to that comment by jake (Jake was my highest townread up until that). That's how I am leaning, given the VCA of Nsin or Darox being scum due to them being the only 2 off every wagon, along with Darox's townflip.

Jake's scumslip is really fucking obv too

So, not to repeat myself, but repeating myself, this literally only makes sense if you believe the scumteam is Jake + NSin.

Do you think the scumteam is Jake + NSin?

[Magua]

Like, when I ask you to explain your thought process, I'm not fucking around here. I really want you to do that. Not "waaaah woe is me", not "random thoughts I had while glancing at this thread" but actually explaining what you're thinking.

[Magua]

Yes.

Ok.

So you think Flay is town purely because of Jake's post, yes?

Why do you think I'm town?

[Magua]

notscience, I'm going to take a moment here and point out that you've said you think Jake is scum.

So why the fuck are you arguing with him?

Go answer my questions in 1274.

[Magua]

So, got bad news for you. I am 100000000% not voting Jake. So if you think I'm town, which you do, that makes it impossible to lynch him.

But.

Willing to vote NSin.

But.

Need to know why I should vote NSin and not you.

[Magua]

Because if you vote me you lose

The problem with this argument is that NSin could say it just as much.

So.

What I need is a reason why I should believe it coming from your mouth, but not believe it coming from NSin's.

This is called "convincing."

Why do you think Jake is town?

a) I found his posts pg 40-47 to be town, his PR usage and targets to be from a town mindset, and I can follow his thought process,
b) He was willing to put himself on the line to Darox and was more or less taunting Darox to kill him,
c) He's willing to lynch Flay and Flay is scum.

[Magua]

I want to take a moment to just say to Jake and the other town, I really, really, really, really fucking hate you for NLing yesterday. We could've shot Flay and then had a mislynch available to lynch both NSin and notscience if necessary. Just....just....sad.

That said, NSin is posting in other games but not here. So you know what? I just don't give a shit anymore. He can be the other scum.

[Magua]

Explain to me the difference between Flay-posting-elsethread-but-not-here and NSin-posting-elsethread-but-not-here.

[Magua]

Alternatively, tell me why notsience over NSin.

[Magua]

Kindly point me out to the contributions from NSin you think are pretty good, because I just looked again and I don't see *any*.

notscience, previous to saying it was you+NSin, was calling Flay scum. It's somewhat amusing, as notscience says in 1196 that scum are within (Flay, Darox, me), indicating he thinks you and NSin are town, and then turns and completely one eighties his reads based off a single line of yours.

That is so completely terrible.
But that doesn't mean it's scum.

---

My big fear is that we lynch Flay today, I die tonight, then tomorrow notscience goes after you and gives the hammer to NSin.

[Magua]

actually I take that back, re-reading the message I sent to sundy and reading NSin's first post descibing the message he received, he absolutely twisted the message around to make it sound completely different. I never said "I will kill you scum"

Inquiring minds wish to know what it was (paraphrased) that you said.

If I was scum, why would I have called that bit out from jake? Wouldn't I just have let him do it then hammer?

Because Flay is scum.

Magua, you've modded a game I've been in. You should know I suck at convincing people.

No, the problem is that you're not trying to convince anyone of anything at all. This is not a problem unique to just you, but it is a problem.

For instance.

You think that Jake+NSin is the scumteam. This means, FYPOV, you need you+me+Flay to vote correctly to get a lynch.

You're not trying to convince Flay to vote anyone.
You're not trying to convince me to vote NSin -- see my responses to your "but I'm town" post.

Being *bad* at convincing would be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than what you are doing now, which is *nothing*.

[Magua]

LOOOOOOOOOOOL

[Magua]

Jake

Jake

I love you man.

[Magua]

Flay, I really found your survival-at-all-costs to be super scummy, especially with you knowing you'd be at the Oakland meet. Should've let Darox shoot you yesterday.

[Magua]

VOTE: notscience

[Magua]

Jake for town MVP.

[Magua]

I really wanted you to be town, notscience.

Jake, the lesson is clear: Never work. F5 every second of every day.

[Magua]

Plan on taking all 14 days tomorrow to figure out who to vote.

[Magua]

ISOs and shit. I mean, it could be anyone.

[Magua]

Jake for Town MVP (again).

But town should've lost it the point where D3 ended with Darox not shooting.

[Magua]

The only reason it was 72 hours was that for the first 10 days of the Day, apparently no one (including Darox himself) bothered to say, "We should shoot someone" as more than a passing phrase. It was incredibly apathetic.

[Magua]

Was Magua leaning town on Darox?

The only way I thought he could be scum was if he was 1-shot. As a multishot Dayvig, there was no balanced way he could be scum. Which is why all my talk is, "Darox should kill someone, if he fails to kill he gets lynched."

[Magua]

also magua, had we actually lynched someone instead of NL, we would have lost so while you were mad about the NL, it really helped win the game

If Darox shot no one and we lynched Flay, it would've lost us the game, yeah.

It was more that, as of the start of D3, Town could control two deaths (Darox kill + lynch). With the NL, mafia got a kill and then Town would get one lynch.

So town gives up a Town-controlled kill *and* lets mafia kill first.

Trying to lynch Flay at the end of D3 was entirely anger on my part, because I could not fathom Flay-town just letting the dayvig shot go unused. That was what pushed me into tunnel mode on Flay. (Then he was all, "I ain't gonna let Darox shoot me!" etc)

[Magua]

Town self hammering in favor of no lynch is generally a good idea.

What's the alternative? Mafia kills someone and then the next Day you're just going to be wagoned again *anyway* for the exact same reason you were already wagoned.

Yes, a town should try to not get shot because they know they're town. But Flay had said, essentially, that he had no town reads, and had no strong scum reads. He didn't say, "Don't shoot me, shoot <someone else>," it was *just* "Don't shoot me." That's the part that rubbed me wrong.

*shrug* Darox was so evasive about his role I wasn't even sure I believed him about being multishot. But yeah, D3 was weirdly apathetic. Also while I get the 'letting yourself get shot is optimal' argument, it only makes sense from YOUR perspective, not mine. I know I'm a miskill, and with <72 left I had no faith in town responding to my death appropriately or effectively. Would have rather waited for another Day to figure things out (5 left would have meant we could have Darox shoot during Twilight, for double the chances to hit scum).

But then the next Day I'm still fixated on you, and you didn't do anything to try to figure things out (yes, you were on V/LA at Oakland, but you *knew that you were going to be V/LA during D3*).

(And that bit about Darox shooting at 5-player lylo during twilight is kind of b.s., since there was the uncertainty about whether he could shoot at all. Darox needed to shoot first, *then* we could lynch; if Darox didn't shoot, then there's all the "maybe he's lying about his role")