Mini 1500:Narnia- The Lion,the Witch,and the Wardrobe Mafia

[PeaceBringer]

vote jklm

[PeaceBringer]

nope

[PeaceBringer]

well garmr, you can take it and stick it up your backside
it is not schtick it is what I do and how I play... feel free to do what you are doing...
you cannot help it...

vote garmr

[PeaceBringer]

oh and garmr- I don't get anything out of the way the game is played here and when my commitments to current games are done, I am moving on...

[PeaceBringer]

vote Skelda...

[PeaceBringer]

feel fine with the skelda vote...

[PeaceBringer]

I've got plenty of examples of Skelda play, if anyone wants it.

Most of them are off quicker paced games (on a different forum) (weekend-long) though. Don't know whether that makes a difference.

so what do you think of his play?

[PeaceBringer]

after catching up,

unvote

[PeaceBringer]

vote broken aquarium...

just because

[PeaceBringer]

You just don't like me .

like or dislike has nothing to do with it...

[PeaceBringer]

omg are we finally going to see peace in action. Is he going to provide a theroy. I'm getting excited

no, no theory...dream on... but I am doing what I do...

[PeaceBringer]

sticking with my vote...

[PeaceBringer]

Hey peace i know day 1 can be hard but what's your day 2 like just curious.

day one is not hard... what day 2 is like depends...

[PeaceBringer]

vote project matt

[PeaceBringer]

not that gamr makes that point

Vote honig...

[PeaceBringer]

good lord there has been no real posting or engagement...nothing to really say anything more about...

[PeaceBringer]

vote gamr

[PeaceBringer]

Gamr is a good direction imo...

[PeaceBringer]

I feel like doing a few little case things right now

PeaceBringer

Spoiler:

vote jklm

well garmr, you can take it and stick it up your backside
it is not schtick it is what I do and how I play... feel free to do what you are doing...
you cannot help it...

vote garmr

vote Skelda...

after catching up,

unvote

vote broken aquarium...

just because

vote project matt

not that gamr makes that point

Vote honig...

vote gamr

If this was anybody but Peace then I'd make a fuss. This flitting between votes and not giving reasons annoys me. But since Peace is being an absolute bumnugget in general, I'll satisfy nyself with an itritated sigh.

But definitely first choice for a policy lynch.

all that said, this pretty much is my last game obligation on sight then I am out of hear as this obsession with explanations and blah blah blah BS really does not pertain to finding scum, just a lot of noise imo. I also do not like revealing what I am thinking. It does not mesh with how the game Is played here. But I am not going start throwing out reasons when I do not necessarily have one. votes to me are a tool. Once I give a reason I am pretty much bound to zero in on that. FYI- initial vote on Gamer was because of our "differences" the vote even on hoying or whatever the guys names is was going opposite just cause. However, the posts recently and "reasons" suggested recently make sense so there is actual reason beyond the fact I don't like him.

[PeaceBringer]

good lord there has been no real posting or engagement...nothing to really say anything more about...

Policy lynch time. He's obviously not interested in playing. And yes, I think he's probably town. Though there is the small chance he could be playing "too dumb to be scum" as well. But either way, he's not gonna help town win.

VOTE PEACEBRINGER.

Otherwise, Skelda or Hermy for me. JK, Garmr still strongest town reads. Probably Smargaret as well.

oh I am not dumb, go look at the completed game Chef Mafia... I am been playing how I play for over a decade. However, the way things play here is antithesis to how I know to play.

[PeaceBringer]

Broken we have been over this a thousand times. Sheeping with out clarifying why you agree is bad. Your defensive reaction after JKLM voted you was bad and you ignoring arguments as defense is bad. If your town your playing it in a very anti town way.

bull puckey- sheeping is null... in fact all this stuff listed in null and just bad blah blah blah... and seeing how it is garmr, yup, scummy statement.

[PeaceBringer]

how do you know to play? (curious)

want my history. Back in 2002-2003 the game Werewolf was introduced over at http://www.footballguys.net. I started playing there, found this site as a result, tried playing games here. I stayed for 2 years. Back then the "site meta" was basically do not say squat. I had some other issues and got fed up and left in 2005. I still play at a private site derivated off of footballguys http://www.packmentality.net. I play "mafia" for a couple years at goalline blitz before it faded there. I know Jake from State Farm from there, came back to play with him. However, running into a site culture and style of play that is the antithesis to how I play. Most recent game at footballguys is http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/in ... ry16018566 and you read it you will find night and day differences in culture of play.

[PeaceBringer]

how do you know to play? (curious)

want my history. Back in 2002-2003 the game Werewolf was introduced over at http://www.footballguys.net. I started playing there, found this site as a result, tried playing games here. I stayed for 2 years. Back then the "site meta" was basically do not say squat. I had some other issues and got fed up and left in 2005. I still play at a private site derivated off of footballguys http://www.packmentality.net. I play "mafia" for a couple years at goalline blitz before it faded there. I know Jake from State Farm from there, came back to play with him. However, running into a site culture and style of play that is the antithesis to how I play. Most recent game at footballguys is http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/in ... ry16018566 and you read it you will find night and day differences in culture of play.

i took at look at the last link. it seems more ..like, one liner posts? i guess you would say
here's an example of off site stuff i'm used to: http://talkrational.org/showthread.php?t=52254
it's somewhat the same... or seems to be. days are at most 48 hours long, and it's a lot of posting IRT and getting a sense of the people you are posting with. rather than, making huge ass cases. making huge ass cases, seems like it makes it easier for scum to hide, actually. even, any scum, can look town, when they have the time to find flaws in a townies actions and reference this or that, to make it seem like they've found something.

/kinda off topic

yup. That is more in line with what I am used to. Although I am not even talking about huge ass cases, just the obsession with having a "reason" for everything and expressing the reason. Once I out something I am looking at and use as a reason it's usefulness is shot... I am more game to game, reaction to reaction and does it seem consistent. Sometimes I get it right, other times wrong.

[PeaceBringer]

Garmr, you are full of shit. I am not playing against my win condition and I am not playing to spite you. I play how I play. But you are scum, so carry on.

[PeaceBringer]

And Garmr, you are the one bringing out of game stuff into this game. I am playing the game as is. And while I do not like you it has no impact on the bearing of the game, whereas your personal perspective on how I play is. I am not playing to "spite" you. I am playing because it is the right thing to do. But keep on bringing your perspective that is beyond the scope of game.

[PeaceBringer]

You've already admitted to it and if she doesn't force replace you I'm going to replace myself out.

then replace yourself out...

[PeaceBringer]

See, my voting you RVS and because I do not like you is no different then any other RVS. I am not seeking to push a lynch on vendetta or grudge. In fact, my going the current wagon has nothing to do with that, the fact you want to make it about differences is actually a scummy move. Oh and going opposite of you before you showed yourself to exhibit more scummy behavior is also not "outside" the game matters. Your obsession on "play style" that you are hiding behind is. Also, your comment on "playing to win condition" is a matter of perspective. I am playing to eliminate scum. See chef mafia for comparison in terms of a finished game where I played how I play as town and town won.

[PeaceBringer]

You voted honig just to make the opposite point to me how is that not playing to spite me.

voting opposite you isn't spite. I do not trust your take, going opposite, is simply just that. No spite. There is lack of trust and you have not displayed any reason I should trust you. Period.

[PeaceBringer]

No peace your not making up some bs reason to your posts. They were def anti town and spiteful I'm not having you ruin another game.

I have not ruined any game. My behavior is not anti town, it is just not playing the way you do. I have stated my perspective straight up. Leave the game. I have done nothing untoward. in fact in games I have observed seen far worse... so you don't want to play with me, leave the game.

[PeaceBringer]

Peace mini 1499 that's all

so now you are mentioning un-completed games, site policy holds regardless of whether someone replaced out.

[PeaceBringer]

how do you know to play? (curious)

want my history. Back in 2002-2003 the game Werewolf was introduced over at http://www.footballguys.net. I started playing there, found this site as a result, tried playing games here. I stayed for 2 years. Back then the "site meta" was basically do not say squat. I had some other issues and got fed up and left in 2005. I still play at a private site derivated off of footballguys http://www.packmentality.net. I play "mafia" for a couple years at goalline blitz before it faded there. I know Jake from State Farm from there, came back to play with him. However, running into a site culture and style of play that is the antithesis to how I play. Most recent game at footballguys is http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/in ... ry16018566 and you read it you will find night and day differences in culture of play.

i took at look at the last link. it seems more ..like, one liner posts? i guess you would say
here's an example of off site stuff i'm used to: http://talkrational.org/showthread.php?t=52254
it's somewhat the same... or seems to be. days are at most 48 hours long, and it's a lot of posting IRT and getting a sense of the people you are posting with. rather than, making huge ass cases. making huge ass cases, seems like it makes it easier for scum to hide, actually. even, any scum, can look town, when they have the time to find flaws in a townies actions and reference this or that, to make it seem like they've found something.

/kinda off topic

yup. That is more in line with what I am used to. Although I am not even talking about huge ass cases, just the obsession with having a "reason" for everything and expressing the reason. Once I out something I am looking at and use as a reason it's usefulness is shot... I am more game to game, reaction to reaction and does it seem consistent. Sometimes I get it right, other times wrong.

i can see that, cause when you use a reason.... it allows for others to break it down. when sometimes it's just gut. and picking it apart, is still something scum can do.
(not sure if that's what you mean exactly). but that''s what i find.
actually..chamber was saying earlier to me... that 'scum try to be logically consistent... whereas town, are emotionally consistent'
i thought that seemed pretty realistic. but, that looking for emotional consistency, can be somewhat hard

yes, that does fit. There are certainly personality types where reason is important. Those more on the Judging end of things from a myers briggs side of things may actually get into all that and I understand that. I am a hard Intuitive. SO often times I do not even know what the reason is. I get that "scum" try and be logically consistent. See where I come from Scum try and look good, town does not give a rip how they look by and large. And folks that are either wildly inconsistent or have minor variances in play are hardest to read by and large and sometimes getting at the emotion or getting the reaction gets the cracks and such. And looking for emotional consistency can be tough, as with anything else. Things like this are why sometimes I can narrow in and be dead accurate and other times stone cold because you also have to add in individual differences.

[PeaceBringer]

I think you are scum. I have no need to defend against you unless others are actually taking your post seriously. And god help me if the town is that bad.

Gamr has a great point in 311. No sense in repeating it.

you are scum
more so than garmr, right now

not sure I see it- will take another look...

[PeaceBringer]

hmm, looking over mneum's ISO, I think it is a rather interesting read and can begin to see. Also I am a sucker for white night behavior sometimes initially, but it was certainly surprising read over.

vote mneum

[PeaceBringer]

If your going to use use the myer briggs personality type thing I'm INFP.

me too!

I am still pissed but I may of over reacted. I have had a pretty shit day with my gf breaking up with me and shit. So I'm going to take a break and calm down a bit.

do this. it's just a silly game. hope you feel better

INTP with a heavy N and everything else borderline

[PeaceBringer]

If your going to use use the myer briggs personality type thing I'm INFP.

me too!

I am still pissed but I may of over reacted. I have had a pretty shit day with my gf breaking up with me and shit. So I'm going to take a break and calm down a bit.

do this. it's just a silly game. hope you feel better

also surprised to hear that from garmr... given the play, but not going down that road...

[PeaceBringer]

Personality testing now? ESTP

heh, I meant S not J... at any rate the "S" side is really conducive to the site culture... it is not me...

[PeaceBringer]

I don't understand most of the arguement between Gamr and Peace, they both have seperate play styles; So what. I really like a Broken aquarium lynch still. For reasons untold

hmm that is really interesting

[PeaceBringer]

named townie...without name, really... time to go...

[PeaceBringer]

If any player here can actually give me a compelling reason as to why MD is scum then I'll switch merrily. But I can't find one. If anyone can tell me why Broken Aquarium is scum for unvoting MD when MD hasn't really scumtold, then I'll listen.

killerjester, your play is extremely lazy. Hermy switched because she's probably mafia.

read over his ISO... he strangley and oddly kept using the word "interesting" multiple times and comes off as tellish to me.

[PeaceBringer]

Nah he just says intersting all the time, it's his thing

it was not observed by me previously or looking over his interactions elsewhere

[PeaceBringer]

In fact a quick skim of MD's posts does not come up with it used anywhere else... so JKLM you are lying to protect MD interestingly enough...

[PeaceBringer]

Hey guys, quick update from me.

I haven't actually read anything from my last post (ie, second to last post from this account). PA's kept me updated on stuff, but I'll be catching up some time tomorrow.

And I'd prefer no lynching until Rach does more than just post reads because I have a good amount of experience with her scumgame.

-Bro

that is just stupid...

[PeaceBringer]

No but I'm pretty sure he uses passive tone Atleast

I'm not sure how that's a scum tell but I also think it would be convenient if him and BA were both scum, I don't protect anyone, so don't try to spin it that way.

Also I'm sorry my memory is just fuzzy but I do share games with him so I've kinda gotten accustomed to his play style, not saying he isn't scum

let me put it this way, when you are holding back, trying to look good you may be prone to using certain things. way back years ago when scum I had a tendency to use the word "gee". It was a tell, it was subconscious. Later, someone pointed out I still had a tendency to use a "gee" ton without the "gee", still a tell. MD's posts came off like that to me. Especially the high # of times he actually used the word interesting.

[PeaceBringer]

No wait peace bringer has a point, if at one point that used to be a tell early on it still could be a more subtle tell today.

That's actually a good point and based on his join date he's been around enough to prob know what he's talking about there

I did not say he used it in past. I said it was used here. In fact a skim over his posts shows no other obsessive use of the word.

[PeaceBringer]

I am not saying anything about other reasons peeps are voting for him I am just saying based on the claim I dont buy into KJs adamant avowal that it is clearly a scum fake claim because see how he messed it up. My esperience has been scum are less likely to fumble than town. As in the example I posted.

Sure, there is a chance he is not scum and as claimed. Here is the deal, he claimed town. However his behavior is sketchy and only way anyone knows for sure is to get the flip. Oh, and as to who fumbles what, that is all WIFOM. Fumbling can be faked, or even a genuine misunderstanding of something twisted for the circumstance. Not going to know until the flip.

[PeaceBringer]

How on earth is saying interesting a scumtell? I agree, I want MD to nameclaim and he deserves votes until he does, but is saying interesting really a great case against him? Does that seem like something scum would be more likely to say?

when he says it without really meaning anything... it's weird.
remember here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p5346524 (unvote for no reason)... what is interesting?
and http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p5344378

And how is that a scumtell? And how is that any worse than me saying honestly?

I like the MD wagin, but not this logic. It is bad. What makes you think scum are any more likely to say interesting than non-scum?

It is not use of the particular word, it is what an individual may do or say when trying to appear town while scum. The posts have a certain feel to them. Can it be wrong, sure. Only way we find out is to get the flip.

[PeaceBringer]

Problem with your approach Peace is that it's like a witch trial. "The only way to find out is if we lynch him...aaaaaaah shit he WAS innocent, oh well, can't be helped".
You see that's a problem?

no it is not like a witch trial. Each piece of information gives more to work with. Either he is scum or not. There are people I view as town and can trust and then there are others. And guess what, this game is a "scum hunt" and you find out where things are. Removal from the game is not a big deal as it gives more information. I believe he is scum, but if not, not a big deal as it gives more information to sort the game. And basically it is what everyone does. Um, scum, not scum. If wrong then oops. It is the game. You suggest that there is any other dynamic to this, really?

[PeaceBringer]

If he is town, it is a problem. I'd like Peace to respond to my point.

and how can you trust that he is town... you cannot. We have so many scum, so any power roles. Most people start the game with limited information. As go, collect information. Any non-lynch of scum is still a piece of information that can be sorted and narrow down where scum went or not and how they reacted around said player. It is all more information. Where I come from, "vanilla" claims standing is considered really unwise cause that gives scum chances to hide in such claims as well. The strategies and thoughts can vary, sure. But you take simply put a spin to something. let me ask you this moz, are you so dead certain of MD that you would let him continue to linger and hang around to end game, seriously?

[PeaceBringer]

are you so dead certain of MD that you would let him continue to linger and hang around to end game, seriously?

This is bad. The burden of proof is not on me to prove him innocent. It on those that are voting for him to make a case as to his guilt. Otherwise, a nonsense situation develops whereby if you are town, you lynch anyone beacuse "They might be scum, I can't prove they are town".

My point was this: you don't seem that interested in giving the guy a fair trial. My concern is you're giving the impression of a man who is more interested in seeing a lynch than in finding scum. Apart from the fact that he said "interesting" (???), why do you think he is scum?

Um, this is mafia. The burdern of proof is on whoever is suspect to convince others to trust them, especially if town. If not they should be lynched. MD did nothing to give any confidence level that he is as he says. This is not a court of law, people are not innocent until proven guilty. This is the game mafia. It is not about fair, it is about who is scum and who is not. No one goes to prison, they get removed from the game. People who are not scum get removed from the game, it happens. It is the game. I am not a "reads" and "reasons" person. His response to ther run up skaky. He needs to go and then sort it out.

[PeaceBringer]

Skelda, give me YOUR case on MD.

Sorry, just noticed this again (I was in a rush when I first saw it and didn't have time to post, and then forgot). So, he had some bad logic involving my use of the word honestly even though he later claimed that him saying interesting wasn't a scumtell when there was no difference, and that is pretty hypocritical and scummy. He refused and continues to refuse to explain his BA read and how he originally came to the conclusion that BA was the Ice Queen. His read on me changed without explanation, or he forgot about it, even though I was busy with life and just not posting, which shouldn't make him any less suspicious of me if it was genuine suspicion. And then he had that whole Named Townie claim, which came out poorly, so yes. That is why I'm voting for him still.

Mozamis, these were my reasons for him being scum. I'm not trying to give him an unfair trial, people are just focusing on the not great evidence.

It is day 1, "great evidence" does not exist on anyone. Period.

[PeaceBringer]

And now we go back to the easy vote moz, although this time I'm not sure if it has good reason or not, it honestly could be 50/50.

So are we going to lynch MD or BA today?

md

[PeaceBringer]

shoulda a been... and the flip here will be interesting...

[PeaceBringer]

Going after BA at this point would result in a lynch without words. Not wise...
Looking at things with MD as town is interesting.
not gone back enough yet to pull thoughts and won't tonight.

[PeaceBringer]

reading over Alienbro I think Rachmarie is the top canidate

vote rachmarie

[PeaceBringer]

VOTE RACH MARIE PEOPLE!

[PeaceBringer]

I am willing to one versus one. I am that confident. If Hermy flips town, I will willingly sacrifice myself.

tell you what we lynch Rach Marie today and we will go hermy tomorrow...

[PeaceBringer]

more vote for rach marie needed TIA

[PeaceBringer]

vote Rach Marie

then re-evaluate...
Matt- you had right call on Hermy...
JKLM is 2nd suspect Imo...
behind him killer jester

[PeaceBringer]

Quick post pre-ciggy. Still keen on voting for JKLM. We need to be slight;y careful though as its only 5 to lynch. Rach I could go for I guess, although we need her to post more.
@Peace - why is JK your 2nd suspect?

Because I am fairly certain Rach Marie is scum. Same as why I woulda had Hermy as #2 yesterday. Rach is my # 1 suspect, period. There is nothing that has altered that. JK looks awfully scummy. killer jester is beginning to know as well.

[PeaceBringer]

@Peace I can understand Jklm read and rach to, but what about killer jester. I think this is the first time you mentioned him?

yes. as been null, now lean BGish...

[PeaceBringer]

yeah maybe I'm being overcautious, it's 5 for a lynch I guess. Just want to hold off until Matt gets back to us.
My problem with the Rach wagon is I didn't find Honig that scummy, so lynching Rach amounts to lynching a lurker. I never mind that, since scum often do lurk. But, yeah I'm on the fence atm. To be clear, if the day was ending now I would vote for either Jk or Rach. But since it isn't, I'm gonna wait and see.

Moz, face it, you haven't had the best reads, as you do not trust me, even though I currently trust you. The reason for Rach has really nothing to do with lurking. It has to do with the death of the one person that can read Rach well when they post. Just because you do not find someone sucmmy, does not mean they are not and vice versa vis a vie your suspiscion of me.

[PeaceBringer]

Ok guys and gals

In WHAT universe is being V/LA in EVERY GAME lurking?

In addition to some financial paperwork issues we had to sort out, my hearing aids were not working for a few days til NS could take them in to be worked on, and October 24th was my Dad's birthday, my dad who died 11 months ago. I have had one hell of a week this week. Which was why I went V/LA in the first place.

I went to do the ISO work yesterday and the site was down for several hours.

In what universe does BA even know me? PB your reasoning makes NO sense whatsoever.

VOTE: PB

the first night kill- not BA

[PeaceBringer]

Ok guys and gals

In WHAT universe is being V/LA in EVERY GAME lurking?

In addition to some financial paperwork issues we had to sort out, my hearing aids were not working for a few days til NS could take them in to be worked on, and October 24th was my Dad's birthday, my dad who died 11 months ago. I have had one hell of a week this week. Which was why I went V/LA in the first place.

I went to do the ISO work yesterday and the site was down for several hours.

In what universe does BA even know me? PB your reasoning makes NO sense whatsoever.

VOTE: PB

the first night kill- not BA

alienBro said over an over that all they needed was to see you post a bit and they would know for sure whether you are scum... boom... he died.

[PeaceBringer]

eh, not that behavior/posting is null, see no reason to alter view

[PeaceBringer]

Interesting how much resistance there is (read as lack of action) on a RachMarie wagon. And I know she's v/la again, but we still have almost no content and an OMGUS vote. Why aren't more people voting her?

because people thought honig was town based on nothing sound

[PeaceBringer]

Interesting how much resistance there is (read as lack of action) on a RachMarie wagon. And I know she's v/la again, but we still have almost no content and an OMGUS vote. Why aren't more people voting her?

because people thought honig was town based on nothing sound

Look at Honigs ISO, particularly his back and forth with Smargaret. His vehemence in defence, and also his refusal to accept my town read of him looks so town to me.

yes, read it, mostly null on behavior, imo... some of reads like he really does not care one way o5r another. He was dead certain moz was scum though...

[PeaceBringer]

Ok guys and gals

In WHAT universe is being V/LA in EVERY GAME lurking?

In addition to some financial paperwork issues we had to sort out, my hearing aids were not working for a few days til NS could take them in to be worked on, and October 24th was my Dad's birthday, my dad who died 11 months ago. I have had one hell of a week this week. Which was why I went V/LA in the first place.

I went to do the ISO work yesterday and the site was down for several hours.

In what universe does BA even know me? PB your reasoning makes NO sense whatsoever.

VOTE: PB

This is what I actually said. Not OMGUS because I had reasons for my vote.

Going after low hanging fruit much? As for assuming that BA knew me best over other players? Not likely.

day one kill- not day 2...

[PeaceBringer]

Not sure why the scum picked alienbro maybe they thought he was a PR.

the reason seems very clear, he was all over wanting to hear more for you and would tell if you are scum or not... pretty straight forward.

[PeaceBringer]

and the very fact that it is this difficult to get you run up also is telling

[PeaceBringer]

sigh- alrighty then....

[PeaceBringer]

vote KJ

[PeaceBringer]

voting folks is something to pay attention to with the propensity to bus around here

[PeaceBringer]

vote rach marie...

sticking with my thoughts

>>No merging votes with statements please<<

[PeaceBringer]

musta failed to vote properly

vote rachmarie...

still time for this

[PeaceBringer]

@Skelda
Didn't think of that I was quite sure I was onto something to .

@Rachmarie
Is your ability limited or can you use it more than once

.

huh?

[PeaceBringer]

Okay, feel like it is worthwhile for me to claim.

I am "The Wardrobe" and am an odd-night jailer. I pick someone and they are transported to another realm. Unfortunately the role PM is nebulous as it states may or may prevent action...
Night 1 jailed Moz
Night 3 jailed rach

[PeaceBringer]

the vote steal is it limited.

did she claim to be a vote stealer and I missed it, I didn't see anything at a quick look on her ISO

[PeaceBringer]

Okay, feel like it is worthwhile for me to claim.

I am "The Wardrobe" and am an odd-night jailer. I pick someone and they are transported to another realm. Unfortunately the role PM is nebulous as it states may or may prevent action...
Night 1 jailed Moz
Night 3 jailed rach

Um, not sure I believe that. That seems really made up, actually, since everyone else is a character in Narnia (or I assumed they were). I guess we'll see.

I'm down with massclaiming. Who wants to go first?

believe it or not- it is what it is
seems I went first... who is next...

[PeaceBringer]

Well, I can understand how some may be looking at things. I am not scum however. Appreciate the thoughts that I could be here, but am not. So if I am not scum then who is?
Go check my ISO... I was pushing Moz and then backed of after had him jailed... even had a post where I stated I thought he might be good. Then I did so with my other suspect on night 3. Please tell me how my play does not coninsider with my play...
we already got one lynch based on Role Name didn't make sense with mneumonic-

[PeaceBringer]

@ MOD - could you prod peacebringer, please?

prod for what, what else can I say.

I think right now rach and you are most likely scum, especially after given the claims

[PeaceBringer]

@ Hermy - what makes you think Matt and KJ might be scum?

I hate how they're aiming for an easy lynch.
I hate how Matt is incapable of being open-minded.

You guys really believe the claim, just like that?

This may sound panicked and desperate but please believe me. I am not scum. Matt is scum, fakeclaiming cop. Unless...

@Mod - Are there any miller roles in this game?

(comments Hermy made in regard to the discussion about PLing PB)


From PB's ISO

I am willing to one versus one. I am that confident. If Hermy flips town, I will willingly sacrifice myself.

tell you what we lynch Rach Marie today and we will go hermy tomorrow...

This sounds like trying to get a townie lynched to save a scum player

Quick post pre-ciggy. Still keen on voting for JKLM. We need to be slight;y careful though as its only 5 to lynch. Rach I could go for I guess, although we need her to post more.
@Peace - why is JK your 2nd suspect?

Because I am fairly certain Rach Marie is scum. Same as why I woulda had Hermy as #2 yesterday. Rach is my # 1 suspect, period. There is nothing that has altered that. JK looks awfully scummy. killer jester is beginning to know as well.

Wait minute now he is saying Hermy was number 2? If so why was he so reluctant to lynch her the day before?

yeah maybe I'm being overcautious, it's 5 for a lynch I guess. Just want to hold off until Matt gets back to us.
My problem with the Rach wagon is I didn't find Honig that scummy, so lynching Rach amounts to lynching a lurker. I never mind that, since scum often do lurk. But, yeah I'm on the fence atm. To be clear, if the day was ending now I would vote for either Jk or Rach. But since it isn't, I'm gonna wait and see.

Moz, face it, you haven't had the best reads, as you do not trust me, even though I currently trust you. The reason for Rach has really nothing to do with lurking. It has to do with the death of the one person that can read Rach well when they post. Just because you do not find someone sucmmy, does . not mean they are not and vice versa vis a vie your suspiscion of me.

Ah yes the dude who assumed that I killed some dude before I was even really in the game without considering the fact that if I really were scum the last person I would have killed immediately is someone I knew well. Someone I could possibly get mislynched based on meta, if I were really scum.

Ok guys and gals

In WHAT universe is being V/LA in EVERY GAME lurking?

In addition to some financial paperwork issues we had to sort out, my hearing aids were not working for a few days til NS could take them in to be worked on, and October 24th was my Dad's birthday, my dad who died 11 months ago. I have had one hell of a week this week. Which was why I went V/LA in the first place.

I went to do the ISO work yesterday and the site was down for several hours.

In what universe does BA even know me? PB your reasoning makes NO sense whatsoever.

VOTE: PB

the first night kill- not BA

Corrects my impression but does not see that this shows I had not been really in the game yet duh.

Interesting how much resistance there is (read as lack of action) on a RachMarie wagon. And I know she's v/la again, but we still have almost no content and an OMGUS vote. Why aren't more people voting her?

because people thought honig was town based on nothing sound

Goes after my pred but with something vague with no detail to explain his point.

Not sure why the scum picked alienbro maybe they thought he was a PR.

the reason seems very clear, he was all over wanting to hear more for you and would tell if you are scum or not... pretty straight forward.

Back to this again without considering the fact that since I just joined and been V/LA a lot during the past while I frankly thought he was talking about BA, other peeps noticed this but hes still singing the same tune.

musta failed to vote properly

vote rachmarie...

still time for this

Still more of the same what do you think of other players in the game?

Okay, feel like it is worthwhile for me to claim.

I am "The Wardrobe" and am an odd-night jailer. I pick someone and they are transported to another realm. Unfortunately the role PM is nebulous as it states may or may prevent action...
Night 1 jailed Moz
Night 3 jailed rach

Totally missed this claim somehow in catch up. I modded a micro theme about Narnia with Role Madness and Upick. One of the fake claims I had was the Dawn Treader. Also odd night seems strange since there is no even night PR.

meh yeah definitely can see something here. Also there is association with smargaret as well as hermy.

Oh BTW I am an ENFP with strong N fairly strong P and E/I and F/T are pretty close with just a bit of a majority in E and F.

the vote steal is it limited.

did she claim to be a vote stealer and I missed it, I didn't see anything at a quick look on her ISO

No follow up here. I claimed to be a vote controller one shot BTW now a glorified VT. Which makes more sense in terms of power along with a tracker and a cop (unlimited) than an odd night PR with no even night PR.


Sorry for the wall guys


VOTE: PB

He is now L-1 DO NOT VOTE WITHOUT GIVING INTENT TO HAMMER

my thoughts on you had nothing to do with you being a lurk a durk and constantly going VLA. It had to do with alien-bro... I have been consistent and fairly certain on that fact. I still am not buying that you are town.

So, you who are town, when I am lynched and turn up exactly as claimed, where do you go next. I fully anticipate someone will hammer this mislynch, fine by me.

[PeaceBringer]

And that would be a scummy last post. I'd hammer, but I'm already on the wagon.

Smarge... please explain to me the idiot to mafiascum ways, what exactly you consider "scummy" about said post. Cause guess what, if you are town you have no clue what is and is not scummy period. Feels like you are grabbing something just to say it is scummy. Anything about that, that is in essence something one would say if scum? Seriously?

[PeaceBringer]

While this man is concerned about how he appears to town, and is keeping all his eggs in a line to make sure his claimed PR agrees with his reads, notice how he is not currently scumhunting. It's clear as day where his priorities lie.

YOu read me as concerned how I look, seriously? Eh, you are probably scum, spinning what you can.

[PeaceBringer]

Yeah, Peace is very probably scum. If Rach was an even Votestealer and scum she wouldn't tell us, so it could very well be. However, I agree that Peace is acting more scummy. I'm just having doubts as to whether or not this is a risk we should take, losing the whole game if somehow Peace flips town. But at the same time, since Peace is scum it shouldn't matter with Rach either way, so I think I'm fine with him dying.

Intent

How about this, I will "Hammer" myself.
I am not scum... I will give 5 minutes for someone to wake up and then hammer myself... no biggie.

[PeaceBringer]

INTENT TO HAMMER

[PeaceBringer]

Yeah, Peace is very probably scum. If Rach was an even Votestealer and scum she wouldn't tell us, so it could very well be. However, I agree that Peace is acting more scummy. I'm just having doubts as to whether or not this is a risk we should take, losing the whole game if somehow Peace flips town. But at the same time, since Peace is scum it shouldn't matter with Rach either way, so I think I'm fine with him dying.

Intent

what you think is scummy is clearly not if you are town...

[PeaceBringer]

okay this is going to be my last post followed by a self-hammer. I really tried this game just to be myself, do what I do and keep negativity to a minimum. The game was okay for the most part after the start. However, it disgressed into the stereotype, sheeping, group think that tends to happen. Making assertions of scumminess on things null. So, I get free of this game, one town and did what I can, and shared my thoughts in the way I can. My thoughts are my thoughts. Those of you scum, congrats on the twisting and playing those elements up. The rest of you should be ashamed and hopefully you can learn from this. I am soley as claimed. Goodbye, farwell, thanks for all the fish.

[PeaceBringer]

Vote Peacebringer

hopefully town you can get your heads out of your asses. But please do consider this a middle finger...
Thanks for all the fish

[PeaceBringer]

Sheez, talk about melodramatic.

If you are town, not sure what to think. We'll be in a bad spot.

I don't care, just ready to be free from here the attitude...
bye

[PeaceBringer]

and like the rest of town with head up ass woulda done anything different.

[PeaceBringer]

meh in my experience most of the time when someone self hammers they turn out to be scum. The AtE also seems rather scummy.

Really? I've only ever had town self-hammer.

What about our last game. I know the hammer didn't go through but I was scum when I self hammered.

@Peace
I'm sorry if it was me that made you quit. But if your town and you self hammered that's pretty fucked you could of at least let someone hammer you so we can get more information. If your scum it's understandable.

you know skelda was going to do so... it wasn't you... sure, I got pissed and emotional, but hey it is what it is...

[PeaceBringer]

However, I agree that Peace is acting more scummy. I'm just having doubts as to whether or not this is a risk we should take, losing the whole game if somehow Peace flips town. But at the same time, since Peace is scum it shouldn't matter with Rach either way, so I think I'm fine with him dying.

Intent

In what way was he acting more scummy? And why on earth would you express intent to hammer when we had SO MUCH TIME LEFT, and the guy had only just started to defend himself. Talk about stifling discussion.

I was trying to spark some discussion, actually. Get him to fully defend himself. I wasn't planning on hammering in a few days anyway. Unfortunately he's a poor sport who self-hammered.

And also, I had no clue how much deadline we had left. I didn't even notice.

bullshit

[PeaceBringer]

oh and for those that are ignorant, I gave who I thought could be bad which were
Rach, Moz, was thinking maybe KJ but Skelda shot up... especiallyw with that "poor sport" comment.
folks want something different from me when all I can do is what I do are fools.