Mini 1519: Such unusual pretermen rarely exist; maybe evil?

[4nxi3ty]

vote: greygnarl

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so this game's not going to pick up till next week, huh. I guess the 2personwagon trend is something.

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Calling bullshit on you being the vig.

VOTE: Silver Bard

even if it is bullshit, not much scum motive in claiming vig to increase activity.

unvote grey

Saw TSO popping up in threads, was either yesterday or day before. Wondering what is taking so long to show up in this one.

Vote: TSO

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the streamofconsciousness entrance was decent too

To imply something like that is the case in my opinion would only be used to cause confusion.

not seeing where you got the idea he was deliberating trying to cause confusion?

I get the shitslinging and reaching and that his argument holds no merit (yet I think it is more likely he is a newb who doesn't have enough game experience to know that scum don't usually receive setup info)

Bard deliberately presented a bad case to cause confusion? Is that what you are implying?

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vote drdolittle

yep fine with this

attempting to flip the pressure back onto his attacker, qwints (instead of keeping the conversation to the bardwagon and his suspect)

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talk to me about DrDolittle. i'm not seeing it.

his first reaction to being attacked is to throw a bunch of questions at his attacker. Do you see what he is hinting at with those questions?

and its not like his own reasoning is much better than burn's, so why is voting burn over everyone else on the wagon:

On the other hand, burn's posts seem like vacillating bullshit.

It just seems like a lot of bullshit

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it is similar to OMGUS. My guess is DrDolittle is hoping to introduce ideas like "qwints is scummy for not unvoting right away", discrediting the attack. Look at his latest question . . . qwints accuses him of being over-defensive. DrDolittle turns around and makes the same accusation.

I go back n forth on burn's posts, myself. But the point is to show the similarity in their statements. Put the burden on DrDolittle to show how his accusation differs from burn's, and why burn over others who jumped on the wagon.

(and don't be silly ^.^
adding an adjective to 'bullshit' makes very little difference in this conversation
plus we should be giving hyperfocused points to JKLM)

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that reads list looked like towneffort to me - I mean effort came after wagon decreased - scum usually posts reads for the opposite reason

Also why do you think my reads are useless?

their useless to me. Since you are now an obstacle to the dolittle lynch.

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"Why be over-defensive to a naked vote?"
burn's vote was not naked. my vote was naked. why are you over-defensive to my naked vote?

I believe qwints was talking about his own naked vote btw

still want to hear what specific posts from burn were vascillating.

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opposite reason: when wagon increases
>scum feel the need to look more town when pressure increases
>post reads list (usually shallow too)

compare that to silver bard who posted after pressure died down and put effort into explaining each section

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those who are asking "of all the people on the Bard wagon, why burn?" to Dolittle need to be looking in Zeus's direction and asking "why JKLM?"

I'm quite satisfied with a DrDolittle lynch and not ready to slacken that noose, but . . . I'll re-look through some stuff.

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iamusername, I don't think sonofzeus is a good vote, your case is a tad selective. TSO made the same mistake about thinking bard was about to be lynched - people don't pay attention sometimes, it happens. And the argument argument about 'defending the wagon for towncred' mirrors the earlier argument brought against DrDolittle

my brain is rebelling when I try to understand the 5 pages of walls of text and WIFoM.

what did you understand in those 5 pages?

The speed of Bard's wagon bothers me.

didn't think this needed to be said earlier but this is genericscumcomment101

VOTE: Grey for role hunting

Grey's vote was clearly just a weak read based on nothing very substantial

what is your current read of grey?

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I don't want to compromise on either a burn or zeus lynch. If I

had

to pick, I would choose burn because of activity. I would rather compromise on a general lynch.

Are the townplayers of this game happy with the way the game is evolving? Or are you all just bored to death with this game? Because seriously if you guys can’t do better than this you should just replace out, and let someone who wants to play in. The way this game is going scum will win unless they get unlucky

<.< shaming people doesn't make the game more fun for everyone and encouraging to play (things like telling someone to STFU or calling someone an asshole don't help either.) Mass replacements are almost never good for a gamestate, though there's a chance it might be better than mass lurking I must admit

i don't think TSO made the same mistake, i think he was just being cocky. like "i want you lynched, therefore you are going to be lynched". that's how his comment reads to me.

ah yeah you're probly right about that

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with 2 days left, DrDolittle doesn't answer previous questions and leaves wagon of his scumread for someone with no votes o.o sigh

Unvote, Vote: General

what did you understand in those 5 pages?

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yea someone should at least be at L-1 at this point

vote: drdolittle

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I like DrDoolittle's latest posts though.

felt a bit stretchy to me

DrDolittle doesn't answer previous questions

what questions?

the ones asking you to go more into your burn read. All you've done is paraphrase burn's posts and call it bullshit.

(also, grey being carefree with his reads and not worrying about being consistent is townish, but that's closer to playstyle stuff)

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I'm sorta done with this day. I've said all that I needed to say, I think. Suppose waiting for a burn replacement is somewhat useful, but really I'm just interested in seeing a flip now.

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unvote, vote: burn

I care more about this game running smoothly again than being right

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anything specific?
(and all the points against general are still valid, did you not read them?)

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qwints I don't think a general lynch is in the cards, same with drdolittle. At this rate I'm pretty sure zeus is getting deadlined. I would rather see burn lynched, help empking out, and drdolittle will be forced to find a new place to park his vote.

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well I felt bad when I saw jklm replace out, it sucks to mod a game for a bunch of players who don't care to play it

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yeah you've been my strongest townread

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unvote, vote: general

disappears when put under pressure

for some reason is unable to read the first few pages of the game and comment on it

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deadline was extended

A combination of switching off burns and going after his "third-in-line" scumread.

never said or implied general was my "third-in-line" scumread

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it shouldn't be too hard to figure out what's going, thread's been kinda slow. If you really need it I guess I can put something quick together later.

This was after the extension:
[quote="In post 260qwints I don't think a general lynch is in the cards, same with drdolittle. At this rate I'm pretty sure zeus is getting deadlined. I would rather see burn lynched, help empking out, and drdolittle will be forced to find a new place to park his vote.

only the first extension for Burn not being here. There was about 20 hours left when I posted that. Then deadline was extended again when sweetsixteen replaced in.

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this games fucking dumb

you're partly responsible for this >_>

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yes inte does have burst of activity, but he also misses days on occasion which slows things down
points is . . . complaining about the game, instead of joining a main wagon or pushing his own, doesn't really help

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unvote, vote: drdolittle

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back from family stuff, getting back into this game by tomorrow hopefully

quick skim of bard's hostility suggests arroganttown but regardless of game related shit he should probly cool it

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Him saying he 100% know I am not vig got to be because he is vig or SK himself.

Nope. Neither a vig nor an sk would make that sort of statement. They would be afraid of outing themselves.

Tho I agree that the TSO kill is odd due to him being potential mislynch bait for being on the Dolittle wagon.

JKLM is such obvious lynchbait. Leave now.

don't think JKLM would kill TSO after this statement.


atm I'm leaning towards iam's 115 post being the reason he died.

vote: SonofZeus

(sweet sixteen's hammer does seem like a cutesy scummove, but I can also see it as a cutesy lazy move)

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But um, you really think TSB is just being hyper-arrogant?

yeah tends to be more common as a town trait, especially with players new to the site - who think their highway is the only road and there is no way that it will have traffic on it. Plus I still see his attempt to increase activity by saying: "I might be vig" as a town move. That and his reads list once again looks like towneffort.

(and nvm what I said about JKLM not killing TSO, theory holds less water with him being replaced before night)

4nx, cute and lazy maybe, but don't you think Sweet Sixteen deserves some scrutiny?

sure, but what more is there to say about sweet sixteen's play?

Anx is still doing the pot shot from the sidelines play.

what potshots did I take? I thought my accusations against DrDolittle were fairly direct?

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even with the self vote I still think it is a bad lynch.

sure bard's been slightly disruptive, but he's probly town, and active.

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claiming sounds about right

my guess for could be scum is zeus and espy. maybe frog. not sure who else

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hmm epseonage is probly town with that claim, makes alot sense with this setup. Tho why nati instead of a suspect?

I can recruit someone into the monastery each night. Targeted nati n1 and inte n2.

popcorn zeus.

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Did you get blocked at all Anx?

not that I know of

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Goodstuff. Anx Why inte?

cause I was having trouble reading him and if he is town I figured he has been involved enough in the game to get some use out of the qt

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im barely here anymore

aside from me and qwints you are the only who who've been here since the beginning.
who'd you target with the gun?

Empking literally had that role(mafia masonizer) in his last game(WePick).

so I'm setup for a lynch eventhough he switched it up, sigh. I'd like to think people will put stock in my play too, but I don't think that will be the case here.

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'cept I never took any potshots so the least you can do is explain better why you think I am scummy and I can hopefully show you why you are wrong.

im not a gunsmith im a vig and i killed tso night 1 X)

night 2?

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Espeonage: Gunsmith, no action N1, no gun result on Nati n2
Natirasha: Claimed monk (recruited?; monk claim + gunsmith result = conftown)
Inte: Vig, shot T S O N1, no action N2
Everybody else who claimed has said they are VT, correct?

I recruited Natirasha and Inte to the monastery but I am not a part of the qt.

I'm not wanting to lynch him based on the setup spec. I'll admit, it's a bit of a last nail in the coffin type thing. But, yeah he was my top pick after TSB.

you still haven't produced a coffin. I am trying to open a dialogue about your read. The least you could do is share the why, or if it is just gutbased just say so?

Of course my role also makes sense as being a werewolf role as well.

what was the point in brining this up?

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nope, was told nothing about monastery specifics (originally thought I'd be neighborizing people). I assume my ability will just return an unsuccessful on werewolfs based on what natirasha says about the qt.

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It was to do with your day one play where you just sat around spurting without ever really taking responsibility for it. I think I put it as taking pot shots from the sidelines.

I went over it pretty heavily in my catchup posts when I entered the game.

no you didn't go into it heavily, no specifics, like what responsibility did I not take? which is why I've been pressuring you about it.

It's entirely possible that we just mafia, and the monk group is essentially just a bunch of neighbors.

tho the slash kill flavor indicates werewolf, or at the very least sk

thought Hiraki's early game play was very townish. Wondering what happened to qwints

okay with a JS lynched base on the SoZ slot but would like to see some reads from him

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4nx is mostly-confirmed town; requires espeonage to not be a liar.

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probly meant to say you are mostly confirmed-town

I think it is very likely to have a gunsmith in this setup, since there was no counterclaim very likely that espeonage is town but I am having doubts could use a second opinion, mainly this bugged me:

Ok guys. Here's the deal. TSB is the lynch today. Pretty simple. Any arguments describing him as town are just speedhumps as he is too much of a liability to get to endgame.

Furthermore, and the main reason for this post is that this game has been hit seriously hard by apathy. Lynches, while not a cure, do help significantly as they lead to nights and nights have the bonus of more flips and more stuff to analyse which can help people limp back in to games.

the logic here is really bad, tsb wasn't a liability and was one of the more active players throughout the site. Just bad town logic?

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*throughout the game

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4nx - why do you think we're likely to have a gunsmith?

cause it fits with the theme and balance. My role is pseudo-investigative for finding werewolves -- stands to reason that there would be a role for finding mafia as well.

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so I'm not going to get feedback on espeonage? whatever, if you guys are just going to lynch me than you can figure him out.

I wouldn't lynch inte anytime soon btw. If he is scum he is crosskill bait and forced to kill scummy players to look like a vig.

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@Anx, did I miss something I should have been answering?

nah, I don't we are going to see eye to eye wether you're town or scum. It's become an exercise in futility. I mainly wanted a sounding board to bounce ideas off of.

(also my activity level is always on the lower side so I get where the idea of active lurking comes from, but note I do try to be relevant when I have the time to post)

C) Can the following players give me who they want to vote and why: Espeonage, Frog, inte, Kazekirimaru, 4nxi3ty, and JacobSavage.

I dunno I would've said jacob earlier except I half remember something about jacob being this careless as town but its been so long since I played with him that I would need to check.

actually with two days til deadline I'm tempted to just say lynch me so I can have some more free time. Even though I've had trouble forming reads this game I am comfortable knowing that I cleared two people from the werewolf faction and that my flip will shed some light on the game.

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still think qwints' play was fairly town and don't find kaze's claim scummy.
jacob is the better lynch of the two imo.

vote: jacobsavage

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erhm pls don't play chicken with the deadline

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well as long as somebody is around to ensure a nolynch doesn't happen

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Who is our monk, 4nx. There is a correct answer here.

should be quadz

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does a cop investigate themself?
(interesting idea tho, might be worth a shot)

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4nx, did you ask the mod if you could induct yourself

nah the idea never occurred to me

i'll probably not get to the rest of this game til the after the weekend

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oh seems I'm cornered then <.< should've put more effort throughout this game
don't have anything substantial to add to help figure this game out; my ideas are too stale and half-forgotten to be of any real use

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vote: 4nx

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hiraki and frog having trouble coordinating a quicklynch made me nervous for them, it was great.

no objections from me about releasing qt

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nope
working around that monkery is scary (especially when you get situations like quadz defending the only viable mislynch in espeon)