Mini 1520: Neighborhood Mafia - Game over!

[Espeonage]

DGB, wrong person, I have one of them town role PMs. Will read after work. Glad to be here.

[Espeonage]

Do have a question to start off though. Should we put the operation of the treestump in the public domain and have a side unofficial vote on it? OR do we think scum would have too much influence in that type of decision so as to make it unlikely it would end up being a townie?

[Espeonage]

That all makes sense. I didn't really think through, scum'd just pick them off.

[Espeonage]

Finding it very hard to tell the difference between landmine being overly wordy because he wants to or because he doesn't want to be readable. I'm happy to hinge that DGB is a likely partner to him because it's something she'd tell someone to do, but relation tell day one yada, yada, yada. Happy to get behind a wagon though to see if the style falls apart under threat of lynch.

On to page 4.

[Espeonage]

Ald's vote on MSSK was terrible and very hard to believe to be a vote made by town. Very reactionary and voting for something that isn't even scummy.

[Espeonage]

SSK is the scum out of the 1v1, js.

DGB is scummy for pushing things that aren't even scumtells.

Also, where the hell is everyone? I really want the treestump to post more.

This is also a pretty bad post. Mainly because the first is the opposite of how it reads if you look at the mindset, the second isn't even ... Bald have you played with DGB?
And third is a generic town needs to do stuff which the coppiest of cop outs in regards to content.

[Espeonage]

Goodnight is goodposting

[Espeonage]

As of the end of page 8, I'm going to call NS and Jake to stop arguing, there are more people int he game, and no matter how good your think your reads are, you might be wrong so shutup and tell me what the rest of the game is making you think.

Ald and MSSK can go in the same boat kinda.

Vote: Baldeagle

Now this guy, he can eat some rope for the terrible posting for the sake of posting. And makes an opportunistic vote (In the sense that wiki says it means scum so people might come with) on a vote that was not opportunistic, which frankly tells me that bald really doesn't want to be seen, only heard. A stance scum very much need.

[Espeonage]

Jake, there are some things I really dislike and cases that are entirely meta based are one of them. I will accept if you find something that is independently scummy, run after it and bring in meta to support as minor extra scumpoints. That is fine. But going hey, they do this as such and such is absolutely terrible. Some people will deliberately scumtell as town so people metaread their bad play as town. And vice versa. I do not want to hear a case based on pure meta. Nor is meta an argument to save someone either.

[Espeonage]

DGB attacks people with her own sense of justice. They will all be scum in her eyes, some have a chance of being mafia.

[Espeonage]

DGB attacks people with her own sense of justice. They will all be scum in her eyes, some have a chance of being mafia.

As town or scum?

As everything.

[Espeonage]

Scum is in notscience and Mac. Both for insubstantial posting.

You want a scumread? Hear ya go, I also have insubstantial posting but I am not scum right?

I think I already said it but ssk for scum.

You are the only cleared person. Ask everyone the difficult questions, get down people's necks. You don't need to suspect them, but you can ask them anyway.

Also your logic is kinda eh there, insubstantial posting has never been a tell either way.

@MSSK: Outside of the two mentioned in the quoted post who do you think are the two scummiest people and why?
@PI: Why do you feel the lack of posting line is being taken? Scum driven or town driven or get the game into gear driven?

[Espeonage]

I replaced into a lurking slot that said pretty much nothing. What is there to discuss?

[Espeonage]

But I don't have one. I did say that to DGB. WHO HAS IGNORED IT.

[Espeonage]

Seriously though mac. I'm townreading you, lets get the eagle strung up.

[Espeonage]

I think the idea is to get a group of towns and go have a party on various wagons. Not PoE the whole game day 1.
Which I'm cool with, actually interested to see it, I haven't played with NS yet.

I feel like I'm going to be reading Ald scum all game regardless of anything he does. I feel a playstyle issue will come up if I pursue that.
Mac, NS, join my wagon. Actually Jake too. I'd love to see you work with Mac to get a read down. If one of you is scum, you're welcome to bus to make it happen. Super town creds for both of you.

[Espeonage]

You scum tho?

[Espeonage]

I love your avvie. You can be town.

[Espeonage]

Pretending to be drunk or in this case high.

vote: do little

He's done jack shit all game.

I really don't think this vote is founded on anything. People get drunk or high all the time and post.

Join a wagon broseph. We should get the momentums going.

[Espeonage]

Threat of votes has never been a successful motivator to be more active. Not even joking.

[Espeonage]

Sadly doesn't work like that. And scum statistically start with strong posting and the post density drops from there.

Also why Dolittle and not DGB?

[Espeonage]

NS, read on myself, Jake and Mac?

[Espeonage]

It's actually a pretty rational case. I am trying to be steadily aggressive and he talks about motivation from a scum POV, which is good hunting.

He's sitting in the null pool. I don't want to see him lynched today. I'd like to see the play in relation to flips, I feel the verbose-ness is going to be telling later.

[Espeonage]

The run up of DoLittle looks a bit too damned if you do, damned if you don't. Not liking Ald out of this exchange.

And Bald is continuing his same posting style, so defs happy with that atm.

[Espeonage]

That list read was probably the worst thing you could have done.

???

list reads suck and are scummy

wow

[Espeonage]

Why are read lists scummy. People do them all the time in both alignments, they are about as null as null can get.

[Espeonage]

Hmmm? I'm either blind or it's from before when I checked.

[Espeonage]

In relation to Bald? I think he's scum because of his posting style. So both?

[Espeonage]

And Bald is continuing his same posting style,

What exactly are you referring to with this? I ask not because I disagree, but because I am genuinely curious.

I mentioned the posting for the sake of posting. His recent post continues this. Makes a little push on his preferred wagon to keep it in people's minds but it does it lightly so he has very little commitment to answering for his suspicion. I just don't like the way he is hanging around and not really coming in to the forefront, but still maintains pressure. I said before that he is acting like he wants to be heard but not seen. So he wants his opinion floating around, but doesn't want to really come into the discussion about wagons.

[Espeonage]

Which is double standards. You raised the reads list in response to being asked why you are going for DrD over other lurkers.

Have a rethink. Come back. Post some wagons you're happy to jump on. If Dolittle is still around there, so be it.

[Espeonage]

Man that's snarky. Yeah votes being wasted, but my reasoning is alot better than your reasoning for Dolittle.
@above Jake's been town since before I replaced in.

And I'm not sure if DGB's reads are bad or if she's scum.

[Espeonage]

What is the scum motivation behind Dolittle's posting?

I've clearly explained why I see bald's posting as scum motivated.

[Espeonage]

And Bald is continuing his same posting style,

What exactly are you referring to with this? I ask not because I disagree, but because I am genuinely curious.

I mentioned the posting for the sake of posting. His recent post continues this. Makes a little push on his preferred wagon to keep it in people's minds but it does it lightly so he has very little commitment to answering for his suspicion. I just don't like the way he is hanging around and not really coming in to the forefront, but still maintains pressure. I said before that he is acting like he wants to be heard but not seen. So he wants his opinion floating around, but doesn't want to really come into the discussion about wagons.

There.

Now I ask again. How is DoLittle different from the other lurkers?

[Espeonage]

That's all well and good Jake. But what red flags. You've already denied that the read list contributed to the read, you haven't given any indication of other 'red flags'. I'd love to be able to wagon with a town read, but when he isn't giving me anything to roll with, that's pretty difficult. Work with me here.

@Ald Anti-town =/= scummy. That said I will have a read of him as well. Most of that stuff happened from before I came in which I read all at the same time, so I'll have another look.

[Espeonage]

@espeonage- I already provided the red flags and quoted them again later. Why are you not reading? Why not answer my question?

Just went back over your iso, and nothing. Look I'm not accusing you of being scum. I' not saying that your vote is in the wrong place, I even indicated not long ago I'd actually be happy to join. If you'd just clarify your read. Because from where I am sitting, Dolittle is the same as any other lurker. And if I were to go after one of them, it'd be DGB at this point because she's reading badly.

As for the question, I don't have a town read on Dolittle. Apart from a weak null lean from banter, which doesn't mean much.

[Espeonage]

2/3 of those things helped me catch scum in a game that was abandoned recently. Sure not mafia but SK is scum too

Ugh this is like beating my head against a wall.
How is that exclusive to Dolittle.

On the bald note. He just put forward my absolute favorite one liner for easy towncred as scum. Which doesn't really make me want to move my vote.

[Espeonage]

And you're not getting shot dead n1 OR n2. Which should be new.

[Espeonage]

Or any night for that matter.

[Espeonage]

Unvote, Vote:DGB

[Espeonage]

Unvote, Vote:DGB

weren't you the one asking me to consider other people to wagon and now after over 2 weeks of a super boring ass game you want to start a new wagon?

Yeah. And?

[Espeonage]

1. Not really because...
2. ...I wasn't opposed to you starting one, I was opposed to the fact that you weren't voting for any sort of reasoning different to other players.
3. Because her reads are bad, she's not being aggressive, but she is doing her backhanded passive aggressive which isn't good. Also, her vote on Dolittle was terrible in both timing and
execution. I still think bald is more likely scum, but I want to see where this goes. More than one scum in a game.

[Espeonage]

Esp, why did you start a new wagon?

Why not?

[Espeonage]

What more drama can I possibly inject into the discussion here?
POST PEOPLE!

[Espeonage]

Well this game just got exactly what it needed. You both going to be paying close attention or one more than the other?

As for the major wagons at the moment. I can get behind SSK, town would want to try and get suspicion off them instead of trying to lurk and get it to wane. I want DGB and bald gone as well. I don't see Dolittle scum atm, but then again, I barely see him as town either.

[Espeonage]

fferyllt

@SSK just did exactly what I said I might vote him for not even 10 posts ago.

[Espeonage]

*sigh*

Unvote

Vote DrippingGoofball

-Night

:goodposting:

morph, scumreads only. Don't give scum a pool to shoot from.

[Espeonage]

*sigh*

Unvote

Vote DrippingGoofball

-Night

You guys don't want to lynch scumDoolittle, so let's lynch a townie instead. Both notscience and myself are good townie lynches.

I am perfectly aware how good a lynch you are.

[Espeonage]

Because you think he's scum

That's just negligent until you see a flip.

[Espeonage]

I rather SSK to Dolittle. Said that earlier.

[Espeonage]

Jake, I don't want to lynch until I am sure that our treestump has a handle on the game. After that I am happy to lynch any of bald, ssk or dgb.

[Espeonage]

488 is the only scum post Jake has made so far this game.

[Espeonage]

our treestump has a handle on the game

It's not like we're gonna die overnight.

no, but your first target is super important.

[Espeonage]

I'm not expecting you to say anything. I just don't want to push night on you before you've given any indication you're ready.

[Espeonage]

DGB is better. Because of three reasons of increasing importance.

1. DGB is reading badly. Which is weird. (Fallacy but still)
2. She has rather good interactions with hard to read people such and landmine. Which means her lynch has lots of info.
3. Sheis always a good lynch because she's dgb.

[Espeonage]

Hey cabdffery, case it isn't obvious, this is Espe-scum wanting you to invite him into your neighborhood so he can spread secrets about you with his bffs

Hi Mac

hey, I'm pretty sure both people in that hydra can read me better than you can.

[Espeonage]

hey ns! why is espe scum and why are you scum?

Role pms read scum obv

Hey cabdffery, case it isn't obvious, this is Espe-scum wanting you to invite him into your neighborhood so he can spread secrets about you with his bffs

Hi Mac

hey, I'm pretty sure both people in that hydra can read me better than you can.

Hey, I'm pretty sure you just implied I'm town along with discrediting me. Cool story

I am townreading you. I'm also townreading Jake, I still disagree with pretty everything he has ever posted.

@morph: Because you are both good players who have seen my play before.

[Espeonage]

There are three scum in the game. I have three scumreads I'm happy with at this point. Am I not allowed to townread the rest?

[Espeonage]

They are confirmed town and I legitimately like them.

[Espeonage]

DGB is better. Because of three reasons of increasing importance.

1. DGB is reading badly. Which is weird. (Fallacy but still)
2. She has rather good interactions with hard to read people such and landmine. Which means her lynch has lots of info.
3. Sheis always a good lynch because she's dgb.

Oh really. An info lynch of a player that gets routinely NK'd on night 1. Bravo.

Scum don't get killed.

[Espeonage]

SSK- very opaque but probscum.
If SSK=scum Alduskkel is bus'ing. Alduskkel probscum.
PrivateI is town.
Mac drops towntells, but is dropping scumtells which is unusual for her. mmmmmmmmmm
Landmind is town. He's mastin's little brother.
goodnight is town.
Meh. I don't like Espeonage but on Iso he's probtown.
Dolittle is DEFSCUM.

I'm really excited to see your explanaton for these later![/druginducedstupor]

I answer specific questions.

In my mind, PI makes a better buddy for SSK? Thoughts?
And what in my iso prompted the read turnaround?

[Espeonage]

My questions dgb?

[Espeonage]

Sometimes I hate you, and other times I love you.

Morph. Start smacking people with questions.

[Espeonage]

Dude, that's just not on. Going out on a limb here, but if that's the way you're thinking, replace. If you are legitimately mad at someone in a game so much to wish serious misfortune on them, that would indicate to me, I'm too emotionally invested in my read that I am not going to have anywhere near clear judgement.

[Espeonage]

SSK- very opaque but probscum.
If SSK=scum Alduskkel is bus'ing. Alduskkel probscum.
PrivateI is town.
Mac drops towntells, but is dropping scumtells which is unusual for her. mmmmmmmmmm
Landmind is town. He's mastin's little brother.
goodnight is town.
Meh. I don't like Espeonage but on Iso he's probtown.
Dolittle is DEFSCUM.

I'm really excited to see your explanaton for these later![/druginducedstupor]

I answer specific questions.

In my mind, PI makes a better buddy for SSK? Thoughts?
And what in my iso prompted the read turnaround?

[Espeonage]

DGB, you missing something?

[Espeonage]

Are you avoiding me or writing an essay for me?

[Espeonage]

Well for starters I'd like you to answer some incredibly simple questions I asked a while ago and then reposted for you after you asked for them.

Once you've done that I'd like you to give me a rundown of why Dolittle is better than SSK or any other lurkslot up to the point where he started trollposting at his wagon. It'd also be nice to hear why NS is town with

reasons

.

Thanks.

Actually, after that I'd like your lynch, or not, if you say nice things.

[Espeonage]

SSK- very opaque but probscum.
If SSK=scum Alduskkel is bus'ing. Alduskkel probscum.
PrivateI is town.
Mac drops towntells, but is dropping scumtells which is unusual for her. mmmmmmmmmm
Landmind is town. He's mastin's little brother.
goodnight is town.
Meh. I don't like Espeonage but on Iso he's probtown.
Dolittle is DEFSCUM.

I'm really excited to see your explanaton for these later![/druginducedstupor]

I answer specific questions.

In my mind, PI makes a better buddy for SSK? Thoughts?
And what in my iso prompted the read turnaround?

[Espeonage]

Yes.

1. You pointed out quite explicitly that if SSK is scum, Ald is where we should go. I challenged that view. Oh look who opened this discussion you're refusing to acknowledge.
2. Well then it wasn't very indicative of me being town which doesn't really go with saying that your favorite lynch becoming a town read like you said it did. Either you are lying about a town read which serves no purpose. Or, and Occams razor says this is the answer, that you are scum and want an out for now that I've lost suspicion and your easy misslynch target is now a liability.

Can I get a wagon over here?

[Espeonage]

So you're telling me right person, wrong reasons?

That hardly even matters if I'm right about my reasons then, provided I'm lynching scum anyway.

The AtE isn't helping either. You can replace.

[Espeonage]

God I want you dead.

[Espeonage]

Hey, I forgot Mac was in the game. The last two posts by SSK make me want to lynch him on health of game reasons.

[Espeonage]

So we lynch her. If she sticks around (she said she won't replace) it will be a drain on the town. Simple as hell lynch.

[Espeonage]

Well, I iso'd DGB. It's not worth much, but the wagon on her seems unjustified.

1. You pointed out quite explicitly that if SSK is scum, Ald is where we should go. I challenged that view. Oh look who opened this discussion you're refusing to acknowledge.

Espeonage, you indicate that you "challenged" DGB on this. Where did you do this?

One of the questions I asked that I quoted twice was prefaced with my belief that PI makes more sense as an SSK partner from their interactions earlier in the day, which I picked up on during me read on replacement.

[Espeonage]

Because she is just as good a scum candidate at this point and carries the additional value of being severely toxic to town's operation if she is town. At worst it's a policy lynch. At best we lynch scum and have a wealth of information.

Dolittle seems like lynchbait. Doesn't mean he isn't scum. But does mean the longer we draw out his flip, the more info we get. He won't get to endgame, that's pretty clear.

And SSK is a solid target, who I will endorse, but only if DGB isn't going to get off the ground.

[Espeonage]

Actually because of his activity drop, he's lowered the value of his lynch. And DGB is toxic because a scum vote is more useful to town than no vote.

[Espeonage]

DGB is better. Because of three reasons of increasing importance.

1. DGB is reading badly. Which is weird. (Fallacy but still)
2. She has rather good interactions with hard to read people such and landmine. Which means her lynch has lots of info.
3. Sheis always a good lynch because she's dgb.

Oh really. An info lynch of a player that gets routinely NK'd on night 1. Bravo.

That AtE...

DGB, what's your read on SSK? If it's scum, please move your vote there. I want an SSK lynch today.

Meh. I don't think he's more likely to be scum than anyone else's odds.

Let's see. Nobody on DGB's wagon has been able to sell it and it's patently ridiculous. This is textbook DGB townplay. On the plus side I don't really see her being lynched today without shenanigans. I guess aside from DGB nobody on that wagon gives me great feelings.

Actually, this is not textbook DGB town play at all. DGB is aggressive as town and tries to push through her scumreads, often bumping heads with several players. DGB in this game is reserved, almost disconnected from what is going on. I'm seeing a lot of indecisiveness in regards to her reads, and she isn't pushing for her scum reads as hard as I'd expect. In fact, she almost seems to be leaving her options open.

Esp really wants to be liked and seems to spend a lot of his time being quietly desperate.

I'm not seeing this at all. Why are all your reads backward and fake?

-Night

DGB is better. Because of three reasons of increasing importance.

1. DGB is reading badly. Which is weird. (Fallacy but still)
2. She has rather good interactions with hard to read people such and landmine. Which means her lynch has lots of info.
3. Sheis always a good lynch because she's dgb.

And there's the avoidance, and the self vote. And don't give me that self voting is null. It is a scum action because it takes information away from town. Especially when done by someone of DGB's stature.

[Espeonage]

It's better than the dolittle case which is, He lurked. And the SSK case which was, he avoided stuff and then lurked.

DGB is like the two of them combined.

[Espeonage]

still not seeing how DGB hasn't done all of that herself.

[Espeonage]

Not seeing Mac yet. dw, it;ll be gotten to.

[Espeonage]

Three townies are voting SSK and Alduskkel is bus'ing.

Espeonage is the only scum on my wagon.

Dolittle the other scum is voting Mac.

Baby Jesus wishes you all Merry Christmas.

VOTE: MafiaSSK

Yep, because we have four scum in the game.

And nice self preservation hammer. You are hanging tomorrow.

[Espeonage]

Yep, because we have four scum in the game.

Where'd you get 4 scum?

-Night

He labeled four people as scum. It was sarcastic.

Vote: DGB

This shit should have happened yesterday.

Morph. How do you feel about your neighbour? Alignment wise.

[Espeonage]

Morph. How do you feel about your neighbour? Alignment wise.

And this question is supposed to help how?

And does this look like fishing or is that just me?

Also, I'm back.

-Good

It's an, are we lynching your neighbour or normal day?

And how is it fishing? We know they successfully neighboured. There was the vig kill. And I'm not asking who they neighboured. Just how they feel about their neighbour.

[Espeonage]

shocker I wasn't picked as a neighbor...

I'd like to hear if morph provided opinions on who to vig or if the chosen made the choice all on their own.

I would suggest that noone else claim to not be the neighbour. Kinda smallens the NK pool.

[Espeonage]

What is even the point of that.

Anyway. DGB scums?

[Espeonage]

Hey Morph. Which was which? Guessing DoLittle was from your end.

[Espeonage]

I am happy to lynch elsewhere tbh. I just think DGB should replace. imo, DGB is the most likely neighbour.

Here, how about I give this a whirl.

Unvote, Vote: PI

[Espeonage]

Spinnin' a yarn my friend.

[Espeonage]

Town cancer or scum cancer?

[Espeonage]

They are just in a prime position.

They might not be alive, only morph and neighbour know. I am asking for a scum read. But if their neighbour is scummy and they want to lynch their neighbour then they'd call them out anyway.

Morph's being silent so it's entirely fine.

If they thought their neighbour was scummy it'd be out by now so my question has been answered in it's entirety.

[Espeonage]

anti-town and scummy.

Which is it? Town being anti-town? Or scum being scummy?

Self voting as scum can be either taking information away from the town to protect buddies.

Self voting as town is 100% against you wincon.

[Espeonage]

Btw I'd just like to bring everyone's attention to the fact that we have a total of one more mislynch left until we have to start smacking scum upside the head.

Pedit:

Unvote

[Espeonage]

DGB, PI, Landmind

[Espeonage]

Oh and I forget the scum hydra that's pretending they're running the hydra like a corporation with meetings and PowerPoint presentations before they can cast votes or say anything.

I'm sorry I went nuts at you day 1. But I think we've hit the same page now.

[Espeonage]

To add to the landmind thing. What has struck me the worst is that the verboseness and language is specifically used to make them get away with whatever they say, because no one can be arsed to go through and comb their posts, which is alot easier for the rest of the playerlist who are spitting short insults at each other.

[Espeonage]

It's a tactic, I think I remembered it because DGB got a partner of hers to do it in some game. But anyway, it's basically a way of making yourself nigh untouchable during the middle of a game, because people are always going to stick you further down their targets list because you are a hard lynch to get done because there is so much work involved in it. And then when you do get to it, town gets bogged down by all the syntax that gets argued over.

It's a bit of a weird tell, but for a hydra to be posting like that, definitely comes across as deliberate, and that can only come from a scum mindset of messing with the town.

By the way, you can take DGB off my list of three and stick bald or someone there, idk.

[Espeonage]

The language is unnecessary. Fine to follow, but hard to dissect.

[Espeonage]

PrivateI maybe scum for peanut-gallery type posting.

What?

Is this a something? This feels like one.

And above I think constitutes a look into Landmind. Most people appear to be uneasy with the slot.

[Espeonage]

Yeah, noting that post for later inspection. I want to flip someone. Soon.

[Espeonage]

Hey Bald. Are you ever going to be the first to take a controversial stance, or are the rest of us going to have to do it for you so you can run behind chirping support?

PEDIT: Look it up.

[Espeonage]

It's similar to what I refer to as pot shotting from the sidelines.

PEDIT: beaten.

[Espeonage]

You know how I said that third slot can go to bald or whoever. Lock in Bald in that list.

Going to go Landmind first, Bald second, PI third.

[Espeonage]

We've been over it. Care to comment on what you don't agree with about his case?

[Espeonage]

You kinda missed the entire explanation of why that is a scummy thing to do as opposed to a town thing. There is a difference between being verbose and being deliberately hard to approach.

And also, they are dropping HydraScum tells as pointed out by DGB.

[Espeonage]

Ok, but you haven't explained what isn't scummy about the posting style.

[Espeonage]

Ok, let me phrase it differently. Are you not seeing a disparity between normally dense language and deliberate careful wording to avoid being cased by iso? If not, would you kindly point out how the slot is being a helpful contributor to the town, with two heads and numerous people asking for a change in posting style that has been ignored.

[Espeonage]

1. Why aren't you able to post independently from each other and keep the game moving?
2. If you are so akin to one another with all of your reads, surely you know each other's stances enough to take them into consideration before posting.
3. The little side comments from the other head just proves that you guys are crafting every post before you post it which basically proves why DGB's ideas on your activity have a scum minded approach, and basically prove that my case is correct in principal.
4. If you really cared to help the town, you'd switch main poster if you know that you have a tendency to post in this manner. But sadly you aren't which I can only assume means that you feel you can only survive if you go through this method you're currently using.
5. And I don't want to hear the real life excuses of one having a screwed keyboard. Get the bloody other head to make decisions.

You are exhibiting basically every tactic there is to make a hydra untouchable by town. You create false situations because of restrictions on a single head. You are deliberately constructing posts instead of actually posting like a normal slot. And you are quite clearly scared of this line of inquiry as evidenced by the incredibly contrived AtE about how your slot was being read previously.

Newsflash, reads change, and you have some serious work to do to get out of my preferred lynch for today.

Vote: Landmind

[Espeonage]

I'll get to the question in a sec. I would like to point out that 1 no one cares about your notes because easily faked and 2 seeing as you did post notes those look like scum notes with the whole who thinks were scum and no who IS scum.

[Espeonage]

Mac kill makes sense in so far as it would have pretty much secured Dolittle for a quick lynch

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Interesting that you mention Ald. He had a very hard push on mssk and has been quite against you
He was who I was going to look at after you flip scum. DW tho ald your fine for now until land flips.

It's damning. And if it was faked you did a terrible job. Both alternatives have you flipping scum.

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Ebwop its damning if those are real.

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Shrug. He asked and that is the only real thing I see.

Also. Going after =/= lynching without remorse or thought.

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Considering you are confirmed town, there is literally no reason to put everything you have on the table in regards to your scum reads.

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*to not.

You know what I meant.

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Allows me a chance to know what I'm doing wrong so I can change my play to appear more town and derail any wagon on me before it starts.

Also gives me a chance to rebut whatever you have on me, but that would be enabling the town like you're supposed to be.

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Of course I'm trying to shape town opinion. I'm trying to get my reads lynched. And ok, we can talk about them and I can go deeper which also gives you a chance to find stuff to make me easier to lynch, or we can leave this at the stalemate and we go along the same path we have while you wait for finalised read lists. (Which to be honest is getting to a stagnation point that is only being lived with because town is relying on you to perform and weave magic now that you've promised.)

Pedit: First point.

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First observation is PI is everyone's outside option, and PI doesn't seem to care, which is the main reason why I don't want a PI lynch yet. Too convenient.

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Also, scumbutt bald is the only one that really wants that lynch whic adds to the convenience. Take this as me being happy to flip bald.

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By the way Esp, you're doing it again with the sucking up to people who think you're scum thing.

Hmm?

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Oh btw now that we the purple is over, I can mention that sanhora does this thing where he or she only flakes/replaces out as scum. It's fucked up but pretty damn true.

Right, and I can make some sort of defense against this how? Some definitive wording there, am I scummy in my own right? And if I am to get lynched over this, I reserve the right to policy lynch anyone that ever uses the word meta after this game is over.

Is this why you made that thread Cabd? Couldn't wait until the game was fucking over? Was fishing for experienced players to help you deal with my slot?

Sorry to inform you that Sen won't be receiving any sort of disciplinary action once this game ends.

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The only reason I'm not replacing out instantly is because you're not a fucking real slot.

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Get the fucking reaction you wanted?

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Stopped paying attention once the mods got into it.

What else did you expect. I come in to an almost fresh slot, I expect to be taken on my own merit, not some stupid meta argument. You know how I feel about that.

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Cabd knows how I feel about it.

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Because I come in expecting to be taken on my own merit. AND Cabd knows exactly how I feel about meta arguments. And I know how he feels about meta arguments, so if it were true I would fully expect him to never let go of the idea of my lynch. And that in no way seemed fair to me.

Would you not get upset if you are going to get mislynched because of meta you know won't hold up. Tbh, I took consolation in the fact that if I was going to be lynched for that, I'd prove him wrong and be able to hold it above his head forever.

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VOTE: PI

I rather bald from that exchange. #PINoFucks is making me thing that it's a bad lynch.

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Actually, smells like maf zombie.

Unvote, Vote: PI

L-1 i think.

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The fact that you signed up for the game.

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I take two days off all non near deadline mafia games and literally nothing has happened. A+ peeps.

Yo Cabd, taking it I failed your test seeing as you aren't calling anyone off me? Think that'd be good info to give the town, no?

NS, who was 893 about? I can't find context for it?

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Now willing to lynch just about anyone.

NS flash wagon for shits and giggles?

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Intent to hammer

out of spite

Ok?

Not like I can claim...

Reads, fair good with Goodnight, Landmind is so scum it hurts. DGB is pretty town but should not be allowed near endgame. PI make sense as GF, but that's all I've got there. Incredibly solid null on Ald. Jake seems town. Bald's probs scum, NS is probs town.

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Bah, etc.

Have fun, play well. Go Town.

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9. When you are killed you may make one final post (as long as it is simply an "oh well" type post that doesn't reveal any game information), but then you are dead. Do not talk until the game is over; this includes talking to living players outside the thread.

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Bah, etc.

Have fun, play well. Go Town.

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I would love to post, but I don't want to tread the line on something the mod might have strong feelings with.

I also don't allow post death posting, namely because it is exploitable.

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I think making Scum unrecruitable, but having town unrecruitables with possibly more players would make the neighbourhood safer and more dynamic because of a larger game without breaking it if someone doesn't enter it.