#91 Pop Stars Mafia

[JereIC]

Hmm... two killing parties... both targetted PBug... and he was just about to be replaced... sounds like someone wanted to this game started quickly...

Oh, hell, I just had a liposuction done on my brain, I can't think straight!

Random Vote: big_kahunia

But I still think there may be information in that kill.

[JereIC]

I'm thinking it's more likely there's one mafia, two members, and one SK, loner; that's the set up I see most often in small games.

[JereIC]

Er, not quite.

If I don't hear from PBuG in the next 24 hours or so I'll seek a replacement.

[JereIC]

Here's a website on Kylie Whatsherface, apparently.

And I definately could see the driver as a lone SK. Some story about how the driver has grown bitter and is now seeking revenge against pop-stars. Or maybe I'm just reading too much into it...

[JereIC]

My personal role hasn't been a factor in American pop culture in a couple of years.

I believe this is called a 'has-been.'

Your role might be a prime suspect for SK, a 'has-been' who tries to get the spotlight back by taking out the real STAR.

unvote: vIcKtOr FOS:massive

Dirge, I'm not sure I follow. First, the SK is a limo driver, which seems like an unlikely destination for a has-been (what about their palatial mansion?). Second, I doubt the SK would come out and start revealing parts of his/her role unless it was disinformation (see Mini 44). Then again, the risk remains that I am horribly, horribly, wrong.

[JereIC]

Number one; let’s look closer at the death scene. There is no mention of a 'limo driver', Cadillac and Lincoln Town Cars are generally the vehicle of choice for limos, Mercedes Benz are the ultimate in upper class transportation and a limo driver is not likely to appreciate the value of a Versace dress.
Number two; I am guessing that in a ‘pop star’ themed game that the scum would be ‘pop stars’. Who better to have as scum than ‘has-beens’? I do think that scum would drop hints as to what they are, especially if their role could possibly be interpreted either way, town/scum e.g. Tiffany (see a lot of other games). I am only FOSing massive. That way, if they are investigated and all the investigation reveals is role name then they can’t be accused of lying.

Wow, I didn't even notice that. I'll

FOS: Massive

as well...

[JereIC]

I'm sensing his earnestness too, Tigris, so I'm going to

Unvote: big_kahunia

and instead

FOS: big_kahunia

. And BK, you really need to claim now, something as simple as "vigelante-ish" or "cop-ish" would suffice.

[JereIC]

mini unbold FOS: Jereic and ZONEACE. Eager for a detailed roleclaim?

No, I'm not, I had already unvoted him before he claimed. I can't unvote him again to prove that I'm satisfied.

I think I'm more interested in JereIC, who is trying to ignore that little "slip" he made about limo drivers.

No, I'm not ignoring it. Note:

Number one; let’s look closer at the death scene. There is no mention of a 'limo driver', Cadillac and Lincoln Town Cars are generally the vehicle of choice for limos, Mercedes Benz are the ultimate in upper class transportation and a limo driver is not likely to appreciate the value of a Versace dress.
Number two; I am guessing that in a ‘pop star’ themed game that the scum would be ‘pop stars’. Who better to have as scum than ‘has-beens’? I do think that scum would drop hints as to what they are, especially if their role could possibly be interpreted either way, town/scum e.g. Tiffany (see a lot of other games). I am only FOSing massive. That way, if they are investigated and all the investigation reveals is role name then they can’t be accused of lying.

Wow, I didn't even notice that. I'll FOS: Massive as well...

Now, there is, in fact, a Mercedes Benz limo, and that's what was in my mind when I read the description. However, I completely missed part about the Versache dress, so I think Dirge is on to something when he suggests the SK is a has-been.

[JereIC]

I'm sorry, can someone sum up why I'm suspicious, besides for thinking we had a limo driver?

[JereIC]

I actually feel pretty good about voting Dirge right now; he's been acting a little more eratic than normal. Also, he seems to be spreading some disinformation about the killing groups being the delaying party, and seems really interested in the SK.

Vote: Dirge

[JereIC]

Dirge, I'm probably over stating the disinformation case, but this is what I'm referring to specifically.

Hmm... two killing parties... both targetted PBug... and he was just about to be replaced... sounds like someone wanted to this game started quickly...

I think that the killer/killing group were the real delay.

All confirmations are in! Just waiting on a couple of choices. Deadline Sunday, noon (scum-time), but the sooner the better.

Since the theory is that the scum wanted to off PBug to get the game started quicker, they would have made their choices by the time Talitha posted that. I'm arguing that you may have deliberately misstated when the mafia and SK made their night choices in order to distance yourself from them. Nothing dirty about it, I mean besides being filthy rich as a popstar.

If I'm misunderstanding what you said, please correct me.

[JereIC]

Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 2:17 pm Post subject:

If I don't hear from PBuG in the next 24 hours or so I'll seek a replacement.

Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 9:14 pm Post subject:

All confirmations are in! Just waiting on a couple of choices. Deadline Sunday, noon (scum-time), but the sooner the better.

On the 12th the mod stated that she was going to get a replacement for PBug because he hadn't confirmed.
On the 13th Talitha was still awaiting a couple of choices after PBug had confirmed.
A bigger deal was made of PBug because getting a replacement is more of a hassle than prodding a couple of choices.
The fact is that it was the choices that came in

after

PBug's confirmation.

Yes, but you attributed the choices specifically to the killing groups, which seems odd to me.

[JereIC]

Zone, by any chance was Dirge one of those two?

[JereIC]

Unvote: Dirge

, because this Zone situation is getting really shady, and

FOS: ZONEACE

. I don't want to put the vote on stupid, if we can get an extension, but I'll likely will just to get the lynch in today.

[JereIC]

Could I ask that Zoneace be prodded? He's active in other games, and we really do need to clear up this whole Dirge =mason/mafia thing.

[JereIC]

So far, you've said you have reasons to vote for Dirge that you're keeping to yourself until the "time is right", and then that you saw two people together last night. Have I missed anything?

[JereIC]

I think I understand what's going on. I think Dirge is scum, and I'd recommend the doc protect ZONEACE tonight.

Vote: Dirge

[JereIC]

No, I for one am deliberately avoided the game because I have to go to classes. You know, at college. During the day and all. With other students, away from computers...

And I thought Zoneace was hinting he was some sort of cop. That turns out to be wrong,

Unvote: Dirge

. Zoneace, you're being way too opaque for a game this size. I voted for Dirge becuase your cop-like actions, and vote on Dirge, confirmed my own suspicions of Dirge. But now, we've pretty much wasted our deadline extension, and Dirge is going to try to hunt me down becuase I voted for him based on your posts. I'll agree with Dirge, you probably are innocent, but you've gone about this the wrong way.

[JereIC]

I'm forced to agree. Zoneace, Dirge's story seems more reasonable to me than your theory. I was initially suspicious of Dirge as well, but he seems very innocent to me right now. You do as well, Zoneace, but I think you're jumping to the wrong conclusions right. I know it's frustrating when you get a really coherent theory together, and it doesn't work out, but I think you may want to let Dirge go now.

Vote: massive

[JereIC]

We probably also have a doc, so the story is that both Dirge and the Dr. got lucky last night with their night choices.

[JereIC]

Good call, stupid_, and I'd recommend no one else vote for massive until he speaks.

[JereIC]

I've found very few games with three mafia and one SK, actually. Can you name any, Dirge?

[JereIC]

I can confirm bk's results, for whatever it's worth.

I'm only going to put an

FOS: Carmine

, because I think this could turn into a flash-lynch really quickly.

[JereIC]

Uhm, Zone?

And for myself, I'm Madonna, pro-pop. I don't have any abilities.

And I'm sure there were others who came out saying they had no abilities, but it's not even 11am here, and I should be asleep really.

[JereIC]

I have an ability, but I'm afraid I'm not a vigilante.

[JereIC]

Madonna's anti-pop? Not sure I'm buying that...

[JereIC]

That's good enough for me, Dirge.

Vote: Carmine

And I really am Christina, not J.Lo.

[JereIC]

I doubt that this game is like Mixed Theme, simply because mixed theme was purposfully described as a game with no pre-set ending, only that it would end when the players chose for it to end. Since out kind and benevolent mod has not stated that as our end condition, I think we've got more scum left. I think Sid Vicious had no killing powers, but was some kind of anti-pop trouble maker, maybe a mafia spy.

Right now, I'm having a little bit of difficulty figuring out why Jolle=scum is the end result of the night actions. I'll take another look later today.

[JereIC]

Ok, now that I understand, Jolle is my number one suspect right now. I'd like to hear from Tigris, make sure that Elton John protected himself, but other than that I think our best guess is Jolle.

[JereIC]

BK, is that your theory, or do you have new information?

Tigris, I am a nurse, a back-up doc. I'm a little nervous about saying that, being the nurse and all, but we're close enough to the end of the game that I don't think it'll matter.

Since Tigris claimed doc, and no other doc came out to refute that, I'm willing to say Tigris is probably innocent. There's something weird about Madonna being scum as well, now that I think about it. On the other hand, I'm finding it odd that Eminem is pro-town, but there seems to be evience that Dirge is really blocking people. Nard's revelations did not bring any new information forward, which usually sets my scum sensor off, but at the same time he's been confirmed as J.Lo already, and I call her pretty pro-pop.

[JereIC]

On the contrary, things are adding up. Although nard has offered no new evidence, I think that he has claimed a testable role, and if he is actually scum, we'll get him tomorrow. Only Jolle has a role that's not testable or doc-like. I think he is the most likely person to be scum, despite being Madonna.

[JereIC]

The roles aren't overly similar, actually. Nard's shows direction, and gives info about a choice getting blocked, while Zone can see targets both ways, and also sees if multiple people target whomever he's stalking.

[JereIC]

If you really are pro-town, sorry, but we've few other suspects.

Vote: Jolle

[JereIC]

Dangit, I am still sorry for lynching Jolle. He was just the most likely suspect.

I obviously did nothing last night. What about the rest of y'all?

[JereIC]

Wouldn't the game end once all the killing mafia are gone, though? That's how I've seen in done in the other games.

Right now my suspicions are that the serial killer is still alive, and is designed to look townie-like, hence the reason everybody looks like a regular roled player. If I had to pick somebody based on those suspicions, I'd go for Dirge, since Eminem is not a traditionally "pop" artist. It's too weak to act on, however.

[JereIC]

Did I say Dirge? Of course I meant you... *updates notes*

[JereIC]

Vote: nard

[JereIC]

That was fun, thanks Talitha!