#91 Pop Stars Mafia

[Dirge]

Nooo! not Kylie Minowho?

I really should listen to more pop.

Random Vote: vIQles

[Dirge]

Hmm... two killing parties... both targetted PBug... and he was just about to be replaced... sounds like someone wanted to this game started quickly...

I think that the killer/killing group were the real delay.

All confirmations are in! Just waiting on a couple of choices. Deadline Sunday, noon (scum-time), but the sooner the better.

[Dirge]

My personal role hasn't been a factor in American pop culture in a couple of years.

I believe this is called a 'has-been.'

Your role might be a prime suspect for SK, a 'has-been' who tries to get the spotlight back by taking out the real STAR.

unvote: vIcKtOr FOS:massive

[Dirge]

Vic what am I changing?

3.13 am
A lone driver in a black Mercedes rounds a corner just as a woman in Versace designer dress walks home towards her mansion. The driver's eyes widen as the target comes in sight, and the Mercedes accelerates….. THUMP!
"What a waste… that stain will never come out", murmers the driver, at the sight of the blood-splattered Vesace dress in the rear-view mirror.

Number one; let’s look closer at the death scene. There is no mention of a 'limo driver', Cadillac and Lincoln Town Cars are generally the vehicle of choice for limos, Mercedes Benz are the ultimate in upper class transportation and a limo driver is not likely to appreciate the value of a Versace dress.
Number two; I am guessing that in a ‘pop star’ themed game that the scum would be ‘pop stars’. Who better to have as scum than ‘has-beens’? I do think that scum would drop hints as to what they are, especially if their role could possibly be interpreted either way, town/scum e.g. Tiffany (see a lot of other games). I am only FOSing massive. That way, if they are investigated and all the investigation reveals is role name then they can’t be accused of lying.

[Dirge]

Crap! I hit submit instead of preview. The "I'm only FOSing massive should have been in another paragraph in which I also stated that I am just throwing ideas out hoping to generate discussion.

[Dirge]

Crap! I forgot a quotation mark.

[Dirge]

We live in Hollypop 8), I assume that everyone is a popstar. The same way that everyone with a home in Beverly Hills is rich. That doesn't mean that they all are nice.

[Dirge]

OK, there's something obvious about big_kahunia's last post that I'm surprised either Viqles or Dirge didn't pick up on.

And on top of that - Dirge, aren't you forgetting something? Like, namely, that our first death was a has-been, and pro-town?

Kylie is, ...er was... a contemporary and being more popular in the Southern Hemisphere is not the same as being a ‘has-been’. I think you might be scum massive.

Vote: massive

Oh, and I don't see what's so obvious about big K's post.

[Dirge]

I now see what the big deal is with big K's post. After reading my role PM I see that he should know what "pro-pop" is.

That leads me to ask of massive why you have your, what amounts to a OMGUS, vote on me when there is a really good reason to have a vote on big K? You're good observation of big K's mistake doesn't clear you. You could be hoping to turn the heat off yourself and on to someone else.

unvote:massive
FOS:massive
FOS:big K

I'd like to see what others have to say on the matter.

[Dirge]

I think that's five votes.

Let's see what he has to say.

[Dirge]

Unvote:BigK

I don't think that he is a confirmed innocent but his explanation is reasonable.

I think that Massive is reading too much into Zoneace's posts.

[Dirge]

What?

I thought I was voting him.

[Dirge]

Vote:Massive

1. I think that a has-been is a perfect role for scum in this game.
2. He is searching for stuff to pin on others e.g. blackhawk and zoneace.
3. We don't have anything else to go on here. I think that the discussion a bandwagon on Massive will generate will net us more value than the last two days have given us.

[Dirge]

I've got a hunch...

unvote:Massive
vote:zoneace

[Dirge]

he seems to be spreading some disinformation about the killing groups being the delaying party, and seems really interested in the SK.

Show me where I spread disinformation and I will show you where you are the one spreading disinformation.

The only one that would take offense to finding scum is...

SCUM!

[Dirge]

do you have some extra info that we need to know?

I'm gonna throw this out there for reason to be suspicious for zoneace. He seems to have no qualms about trying to smoke out the cops in this game.

I still want JereIC to show me where I spread

disinformation

(stupid is not as his name implies.) I think that this is incredibly false. And any suspicion of JereIC is reasonable because he can't back this dirty smear up.

FOS JereIC

[Dirge]

I would just like to point out that Dirge keeps saying that i am trying to smoke out the cops, however, he has, more than once, completely ignored what i am really getting out, that he is either a mason or mafia. I have said it now three times and everytime he ignores it and claims i am trying to smoke out the cops.

I quoted your response to, I believe, Tigris. I'm not bringing it up constantly It's just that more than one person has noticed it.

As far as 'mason or mafia' goes, so what? You keep saying but it makes no sense.

[Dirge]

Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 2:17 pm Post subject:

If I don't hear from PBuG in the next 24 hours or so I'll seek a replacement.

Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 9:14 pm Post subject:

All confirmations are in! Just waiting on a couple of choices. Deadline Sunday, noon (scum-time), but the sooner the better.

On the 12th the mod stated that she was going to get a replacement for PBug because he hadn't confirmed.
On the 13th Talitha was still awaiting a couple of choices after PBug had confirmed.
A bigger deal was made of PBug because getting a replacement is more of a hassle than prodding a couple of choices.
The fact is that it was the choices that came in

after

PBug's confirmation.

[Dirge]

Since the theory is that the scum wanted to off PBug to get the game started quicker, they would have made their choices by the time Talitha posted that.

That theory was started by you to be clear. There was more than one choice that the mod was waiting for. There is a good chance that one was scum. Besides no one knew who was holding the game up. I think that it is likely that scum targeted him after his name was made known, that could be before or after his confirmation. Most likely after because

any

choice would likely hinge whether or not PBug was going to actually be in the game.

[Dirge]

Dirge, could you please state whether you are a mason or not.

Before I answer, could someone please tell me why I'm being asked?

[Dirge]

Low participation is going to get Zone killed. He already has The required three votes to be lynched Friday.

I actually put my vote on Zone so I could measure another players response. That player hasn't posted at all since and it's making me suspicious because he seems willing to let Zone hang.

Yes Zone, I'm going to ignore your question. But, I won't leave you to hang without a good reason.

Unvote: Zoneace

I might consider voting Zone if I hear a good reason.

[Dirge]

ZONE & Massive I am beginning to feel that the a lot of the players in this game are just waiting to see if we kill each other (no offense to those of you who have posted). You might think that you have a good reason to suspect me as I think that I have a good reason to suspect you guys. But I am not sure I want to lynch either of you. I would really like to get some others involved here. Deadline is just around the corner. We are set to go into the night with out much discussion from other players. What do you think?

I am not a mason nor am I mafia. I have been hesitant to respond to this question because I don't see where it comes from. But, I can't really see that I loose anything by answering either.

[Dirge]

Could we get some participation please?

Yeah, wait to see what Zone has to say but what do you think? If this game is not interesting to you, it's because you aren't participating! We will only get info if we have discussion.

We aren't going to find scum by going into night with the little information that we have. Tomorrow is Friday. I was thinking that if we got more discussion we could ask the mod to extend the deadline. The way things are going I don't see the point. If we don't get three do we have a no lynch?

[Dirge]

Vote: Stupid

In hopes for a quick bandwagon to get some info from a lurker/slacker. I would vote blackhawk but I've played with that guy before and he's totally unreliable. I pity the side he's on.

[Dirge]

Sigh, Zoneace, could you elaborate a little more? Did you definitely see Dirge with someone? Dirge, do you have anything to say on the matter?

I'm with you on the sigh. I'm kind of let down as big a deal as he made over my not answering his question. Who knows what or who he saw? I don't know how this game is written but I made no choice last night.

I looked up stupid's posts, most of them come after 5pm scum time. I would like the mod to

extend the deadline 'til Monday

. What do you guys think?

[Dirge]

BTW this makes two votes for stupid. Only one more and he will be lynched today if there is no deadline extension.

[Dirge]

So by not PM'ing your mod and not posting in this game you are essentially voting

'NO LYNCH'

! In every game that I've played this has been argued the dumbest thing that you can do day one in a game. There is nothing to go on for night choices, day 2 will be just like day one except that we will have more deaths and we probably won't be so fortunate to have both parties target the same person this time.

[Dirge]

OK, I'll

unvote Stupid

. Although I disagree with his posting philosophy (I think that conversation, random or not, does yield scum) I think that for now his and Tigris' wish to extend the game is something a townie would want.
Since the deadline is Monday and weekends are generally light posting days I'm not going to waste time to see what the peeps say.

Vote: Massive

I think that he is the most questionable. I go back to my belief that a 'has-been' is a good candidate for scum, probably SK.

Here he calls into question the 'star status' of Kylie M. I think, to justify his claim that even someone that isn't a big star, like himself, would be town, like Kylie M.

One other thing to think about: I'm American, and I don't think I would have considered Kylie Minogue to be a "pop star" (although her new album IS coming out soon) ... but seeing as to how she's Australian and a big deal in Talitha's part of the world, it might be important to realize that her idea of "pop star" might be a little off from ours. My personal role hasn't been a factor in American pop culture in a couple of years.

He even goes so far in this quote to say that Kylie M. is a 'has-been' like himself.

I've already said that however you feel about certain pop-star's current status can't be taken into account in this game. I'm certainly not going to. We've already had one has-been dead in this game, and she was townie.

He also tried to find fault with just about every thing that was said early day one. I believe he was pushing buttons to see who he could 'make' suspicious.

[Dirge]

As I stated earlier, I think any kind of pop star could be anti-pop. Therefore, I disagree with the logic of Dirge. Something with that theory seems scummy to me. FoS: Dirge

I don't understand

your

logic.

Could you explain it to the rest of us?

So, if you were writing this game you would make Jessica Simpson mafia and have Christina Aguilera be a doctor? That doesn't make sense. What kind of fun would it be if you were a townie and Marilyn Manson,* or some musician with a history of statutory rape? How would you defend yourself if an investigator found out your role name?

Maybe you would write a game that whacked. But, you didn't write this game Talitha did. She seems to be the kind of person to keep things logical. Professional jealousy is a

logical

reason for someone to kill in a

pop-star themed

mafia game. A 'has-been' is perfect.

*I don't mean to insult Manson fans. It's just that he's society's whipping boy for music that is baaaad.

[Dirge]

It could be has-beens like most are suggesting. All that I'm saying is that we shouldn't judge a person just by what their person suggests they should be. I don't know Talitha that well, and maybe she's a lot more practical than me, but I think we should look past just the pop star.

Until all the guilty come forward of their own volition we have got to start with something. I think that 'has-been'-as-SK is a good place to start. Otherwise we go into night with a 'no lynch' and the scum get to keep us in the dark. The thing is, there are a lot of people in this game who have an opinion as to what is a 'bad idea' few offer any bad or good of their own.

[Dirge]

You idiots, I'm Britney Spears!

Have you never played this game before? Tell me, why would scum beg for more time and encourage more dialog when when the game was going to go contently into night with little information!

[Dirge]

Furthermore, if I was scum why wouldn't I just let Zoneace hang at the original deadline? He would have been lynched at 3 votes. I didn't have to pull my vote off of him. No one would have suspected that I was scum if he was lynched, because nobody was participating.

Quite frankly I have been baffled that the players have ignored this game the way they have. I have never played or heard of a mafiascum game where the players opted for a 'no lynch' day one! I believe that the answer to this quandary is that there are about 4 scum roles in this game and all of them know that it is to their advantage to go 'no lynch' rather than pursue the clues and suspicious people that we have talked about Day 1. Those chiefly being, of course, Massive and Zoneace!

I'd like to point out that Massive hasn't used his 'Mod given' time extension to build a case against Zoneace like he was trying to do earlier in the game. But, when I again assert that I think Massive is scum he's all defensive and posting up a small storm. All he cares about is surviving this day.

FFOS: Zoneace, Jere IC, vicqlis

For voting without a reason.

Oh, wait...What's that Zone? You say you did? Show me baby!

[Dirge]

Everyone notice how Zoneace refuses to answer my question.

It's like he's hiding something.

Britney Spears is definitely Pro-Pop. She may have reached her peak as far as popularity and sales but she is definitely today's Pop Star icon. She sure is more popular than Kylie M.

I don't know if Vickles or JereIC have been on, they haven't posted, but Zoneace is definitely scum if he lets Britney Spears get lynched. Every one should lynch him as he suggests the next day.

[Dirge]

Yeah make it clear. Was my suspicious action...

PMing the mod to get an extension?

Was it taking my vote off of you so you wouldn't be lynched at the first deadline?

Maybe it was my efforts to encourage others to participate in this game so we could have more info before we went into the night.

You saw two people together so what! Did you ignore Tigris' whole post?

Listen, I'm gonna change my statement that I think that you are "scum if you let Britney Spears get lynched" because I really don't think that you are scum. I think that you are bullheaded and only care If you are right. Well, you are wrong and you are gonna let a pro-pop role get lynched. I stand by the assertion that Massive, JereIC and probably Vickles are scum. I think that the doc should protect Zoneace tonight.

As far as my abilities go I am a role blocker. You see as Britney I may not have that much talent and truth be told I'm not that pretty but I do have a tight little bod. I distract those who make night choices. I didn't make any choice last night. I think that you should let me live so that I can use them in an effort to protect you, Zone, tonight.

Listen Zone, I think that JereIC and vickles are deliberately avoiding this game so that they have an excuse to keep their vote on me. You on the other hand are still contributing and when I am found to be who I say I am you are the one that will take the fall. We have an obligation to play this game to win.

[Dirge]

I am going to

Unvote: Massive and Vote: vIQLes

because I hope that others will agree that it is better to lynch Vickie than to lynch Britney. I am not the only who thinks he is scummy.

To further reinforce the fact that I am who I say I am. No one else has argued my claim.

Zoneace, you should consider telling us what you know. Was the other person Tigris? What did you see happen? If you die tonight the rest of the town will need to know this stuff.

[Dirge]

at some point, Dirge stated that if he were mafia why wouldnt he have just let be hang with 3 votes at the deadline, well that’s easy, because when it was reveal led that I was very much pro town, all the suspicion would have been on you and the other people voting for me, and we all know that the mafia don’t like it when the suspicion is on them.

Listen Zoneace, no one would have suspected me because you yourself said that you were trying to 'add style to your game' or whatever. You yourself conceded that it wasn't working out.

The reason you saw Massive and I together last night is because I blocked him. I believe he is the Mercedes driver.

Vote: Massive

Furthermore, there is more than one reason that you would have seen us together last night: role blocker, cop, doc, and mason.

It makes more sense for you to vote Massive: You already think he is suspicious, Massive didn't vote scum yesterday (I did) I blocked him and there were no deaths. I can prove that I can do what I say I can if I have to.

Since you suspect Massive anyway, vote him. I can show that I am who I say I am. If we lynch Massive you've gone after someone that you believe is scum. If you lynch me there is less protection at night. We need that protection. You need that protection.

[Dirge]

Furthermore, there is more than one reason that you would have seen us together last night: role blocker, cop, doc, and mason.

What I mean here is that I don't understand why you would automatically jump to the worst possible conclusion. It makes no sense since there were no deaths last night.

[Dirge]

That's what's confusing.
What you found is ONLY two people together. Me being one of those people two nights in a row. You only see people. You don't claim to know what we are doing.

The actions of those people are: Dirge goes after Massive repeatedly. Massive gets defensive every time I say he is scum. I claim to be a role blocker. You see us together night 2. There are no deaths. And you say I'm guilty?

Yeah, I'm confused, and I bet others will be also.

[Dirge]

you didnt claim to be a role blocker until today.

Liar liar posts on fire!

Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2004 2:39 pm Post subject: 162

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As far as my abilities go I am a role blocker. You see as Britney I may not have that much talent and truth be told I'm not that pretty but I do have a tight little bod. I distract those who make night choices. I didn't make any choice last night. I think that you should let me live so that I can use them in an effort to protect you, Zone, tonight.

[Dirge]

We might be waiting on massive a while. It looks like he's having trouble getting online.

[Dirge]

I think that it is also worth pointing out that often SK’s are required to perform some kind of task to earn a kill. If you look back over massives posts I noticed that he doesn’t use a lot of pronouns. He repeated the names Dirge and Zoneace several times. When you compare the posts in this game to posts in his other games you see that these seem different. And I think that it’s telling that he has been pretty good about making sure that ZONEACE is in all capital letters and spelled out most of the time. He even put the underline after stupid_ and spelled out big_kahunia.

[Dirge]

I think that we have to consider what the worst possible scenario could be. That would be the game starting with two killing groups: 3 mafia and 1 SK, these are pretty standard numbers for a mini game. The only reason to make it 2 mafia and 1 SK is if the town roles were weak. I don't think that this is the case here since we had one night with no kills.

The SK has not been caught in my opinion. The death scene where the killer recognized that the dress was Versace indicates that it was a woman.

In the worst-case scenario that leaves us with 1 SK and 1 mafia.

Vote JereIC

He has been suspicious to me since d1.
He tried to back massive’s 'has-been' claim.
He tried to cast suspicion on me over the pbug thing d1.
I believe that he was intentionally going to let me hang d1 by the deadline. He said that he couldn't get to a computer, which was on a Monday, I checked the two previous Mondays and he had no trouble getting on mid-day those days.
I blocked him last night and there was only one kill.

[Dirge]

It is my belief that viqles and massive were two members of a three person mafia team.

Look over the death scenes again. Just because Sid Vicious didn't have a gun or a Mercedes does't eliminate him from being in a group that has a member with a gun/Mercedes.

[Dirge]

I believe that there are two scum left. I think that JereIC is one of them and that it is more likely that he is the last remaining mafia member than the SK.

[Dirge]

BigK could you give us all your information? Would you Please tell us the names of all the albums and which player they belong to?

[Dirge]

Before Carmine is lynched I'd still like to hear from BigK on his investigations. Who he investigated each night, and what the album names are. This is all information that we can use in our night choices.

[Dirge]

I did a little research into Carmines claim. There is a Fiona with an album titled Forever but, it's not Fiona Apple.

Vote Carmine

[Dirge]

I think that JereIC is J.Lo because an album title search confirms that.

Stripped is a little more ambiguous. The album title "Stripped" also belongs to the Rolling Stones and a Swedish heavy metal band called Pretty Maids. Christina A. is a good bet though.

[Dirge]

I blocked Jolle last night. So

FOS Jolle

.

The thing that gives me pause is, Ozzy Osbourne didn't have an album by the title "Forever". Black Sabbath (the group he was in before he went solo) didn't have one either. So I don't know how we should read Big K's results.

I don't think that we should rush into anything. There are other players who made choices last night. Let's see what they have to say.

[Dirge]

BigK, what do you think about "Forever" not matching Ozzy?

Zoneace, Do you actually see who it is that visits the person you choose?

[Dirge]

Zone, do you think that you would have seen me also, or do you think that I was blocked?

[Dirge]

Vote Nard

His non-night actions are very suspicious. I think that the Versace dress thing implies that the SK could very well be a contemporary female pop-star. Often in good games a mod will throw in something that is difficult to claim e.g. Eminem=pro-pop and something you wouldn't expect J.Lo=scum. This would also help balance all of our pro-town abilities.

[Dirge]

Tigris, can you tell us what your night choices were? I'm sorry if you already told us. Mine were:

n1 no choice
n2 massive
n3 JereIC
n4 Jolle

[Dirge]

As I ponder our situation I want to change my vote to Jolle but I can't help but question something else about nard's claim. Isn't it awfully similiar to Zoneace's?

What is a moocher? I'll tell you. I can sort of "cling" onto one person per night and see their choice. I don't know what they're actually doing with these choices, but I know who they chose. In the event there was no night choice from that person , I obviously did not get any information.

Night 1 - Stupid_ - no choice
Night 2 - Massive - choice blocked
Night 3 - Sorry to say I missed the deadline
Night 4 - Jolle -

choice blocked

This quote is for easy reference to the last two posts.

[Dirge]

Could we have a scum player with out a kill ability? Like a mafia member with an investigative power?

[Dirge]

Wouldn't the game end once all the killing mafia are gone, though? That's how I've seen in done in the other games.

If there is a mafia spy role left, that's the strongest possibility imo, and maybe a one shot Vig. the mod would have to keep the game going.

It is also possible that an SK is jerking us around hoping we lynch whomever I block, like Jolle.

[Dirge]

Yeah, I think that there must be an SK left judging by N1's deaths.

[Dirge]

So what did you find out Nard?

[Dirge]

I blocked nard.

Vote nard

[Dirge]

The Pop Stars totally rocked this game! Let's all hold hands together and sing.

"We are the champions of the world..."

Thanks Talitha, it was a great game!