Mini 1538: POWERFUL WIZARDS (SpyreX Lives!)

[Kagami]

Smooth Criminal, more like it. Choo choo~

VOTE: Tierce

[Kagami]

No, nooooo, don't get distracted. No RVS, we lunch tonight before the scum can get their night actions in. Lynch, now. Next post: vote actiondan

I got an issue with you not voting for a lynch on Instant Night, yeah.

Was this serious and am I missing something? I would think that with half the players necessary to make the lynch happen, the odds are only about 7% that no scum would see it to submit the kill (actually much lower since the "lynch wagon" was not in agreement with the first vote), whereas town would potentially lose PR actions. Even if that 7% happened, you can't say anything valuable like "everyone on the wagon was town" because of the possibility of a no-kill.

[Kagami]

Does katsuki have experience with insta-night setups?

[Kagami]

I disagree fully on the quicklynch idea, but we can run by the argument/evidence for its merits post-game.

Townreading kanye for resistance to the flow.

Not sure I get the meta thing, Sean. Looks like you're generally ok with not posting anything of value until you see something of note, is that it?

Katsuki wagon is meh, but what is 68 supposed to mean, plum?

[Kagami]

Wagon hops like that fall into the uncanny valley of scumminess to me. I think it's a town-move.

[Kagami]

I don't get the scumread on me, but whatever.

Either sean or dan is clear, I'd guess probably sean. SSK and Tierce get a town-push too. It looks to me like fate was lining up a tunnel that he wouldn't be

Fate obviously thought it was a fake dayvig, so the whole scumteam probably thought similarly given daytalk. It took a while before the flip, so I'm inclined to think that as time went on, the scumteam became more and more confident that it was fake. I think we might be seeing that in linger's posts, culminating at 265. I'm not feeling the same about Katsuki, who held a much more stationary stance, and a much riskier one.

I don't get the dream thing, tammy, reference to another game or to fate's flavor?

VOTE: linger

[Kagami]

wait, what, Tierce?

[Kagami]

I'd like sean and Dan's reads more than porkens.

240 and 251 are some serious business AtE if Tierce is scum.

[Kagami]

And 69 games to go through...

Does anyone who has played with Tierce think 240 and 251 is poss for scum-her?

[Kagami]

that was a really obvious real vig. i know youve seen enough fakevigs to be able to identify real ones.

I thought it had a solid chance of being fake, I'm amazed she was confident enough to do a real one.

[Kagami]

nope, only in my database, she prob has much more since I don't have large themes or games from before 2008

[Kagami]

Weird, I have 69 with 4 as mod.

Going to look through a few of the scum-tierce ones.

[Kagami]

I don't see the MLK Jr part of that at all.

So far, meta-search on tierce is nullish except that in the 4 games in which she brings up her "moral code," 3 are scum.

[Kagami]

...

Katsuki, Fate called LLD an "it" deliberately, knowing that for LLD gender is an important issue. I'd really like to know how you think that not wanting to play with a Town player who does that is a low blow on my end. Even if he flips scum, that is a disgusting move, but one I can more or less understand in light of his win con. As Town? Fuck no. And no, I am deathly serious about that, and you only need to go to FWAN to realize that it's not a joke for me. I'm not taking advantage of it, I have a freaking moral code and I hate this is being brought into question. Personal attacks

are

against site rules.

Why is this not against code if he's scum? I would agree with your final statement regardless of his alignment.

[Kagami]

I think you're being honest about the moral code business, which makes me think that you would never use it to distance (which would be the alternative interpretation of 240 and 251). If you fully or even mostly condoned the action as scum, that belief would be invalid.

[Kagami]

...
though have a slight town read on seanald
...

Sean has one post, how do you have a town read on him?

[Kagami]

The meta-heaviness and appeal to authority of the first many pages drove me away from this game, largely.

I don't think katsuki is scum due in large part to the conversational aspects in the 140s, which doesn't really feel to me like they had daychat. This is not super-strong, and is probably trumped by the vets meta-impressions, but if I were playing in a vaccuum, that's what I'd go with.

My opinion is still that fate believed the dayvig had a strong chance of being fake, and I would expect the opinion to be shared among the scumteam. This is largely why I haven't moved my vote from linger.

Why are linger and porkens town, and why is plum scum?

p-edit: Am I really an asset? I've done very little -_-

[Kagami]

Questions were @tammy

[Kagami]

The meta-heaviness and appeal to authority of the first many pages drove me away from this game, largely.

this doesn't match up with you doing mason searching once the first few pages were over.

My opinion is still that fate believed the dayvig had a strong chance of being fake, and I would expect the opinion to be shared among the scumteam. This is largely why I haven't moved my vote from linger.

that was really obviously a real dayvig, actually.

[/quote]

The mason-search felt like one of the things that was easily within reach, and I'm happy with my conclusion. I'm less happy that people think it's "bad play," given that the result of that particular conversation was very negative in terms of improving the gamestate; whereas simply being forthright would have brought an improvement.

I spent a fair bit of time diving on tierce, and ultimately decided that it wasn't worth it since my efforts were extremely superficial compared to the extensive experiential meta that same players have with her. That's what I meant with the meta-heaviness complaint. I actually really like meta, it just feels wasted here.

If it was really obviously a real dayvig, then why did lnnngr and katsuki pretend it was fake?

I assumed it was real, but after a few hours of no mod-post together with LLD continuing to post to fate caused some doubts to creep in; I wouldn't be surprised if scum felt the same.

[Kagami]

Where did I pretend the dayvig was fake?

I somehow got the wrong interpretation from 131, you're right; you didn't. 200 is still somewhat incriminating, but tammy's point isn't a bad one. I would think that pushing kanye as a scum strategy would come with the intent to be ignored by everyone, yet you seem actually bothered that you aren't being answered. If it weren't for the request to let be those on LLD's town list, I would agree with you, too.

UNVOTE:

[Kagami]

What do we think the odds are of the katsuki/tierce thing being town vs town?

[Kagami]

I'm inclined to agree

[Kagami]

Why is SSK a good vote? Do we really think tierce-katsuki is town on town?

If it's not, then we're seriously going to lynch trying to hit one target among 8 suspects rather than 1 among 2? Even if we're going to vote people other than that pair, plum is much more suspect than SSK, and 480 means that plum scum => tierce & katsuki not scum, which has a nice informational component.

I really don't like 491, tierce. You're basically saying: Lynch me or SSK. I don't see a decent argument against SSK, and certainly not a better one than there is against plum or sean (except the LLD town list).

VOTE: Tierce

[Kagami]

I'm willing to switch to Katsuki too, if we resurrect that wagon. As much as I dislike 491, katsuki is actively lurking, and hasn't contributed anything, which is altogether worse. It's still coinflippish to me, but if katsuki is scum, having near conftown-tierce with us day 2 is much stronger than near conftown-katsuki, if today's activity is any indicator.

[Kagami]

A lot of those empty votes are people who are reading the thread, though. There's no reason to limit the lynchpool so much.

[Kagami]

People are reading, they just aren't posting. I bet almost everyone on your list will show up between now and deadline.

I think you could have called for everyone to take a stance on tierce-katsuki just as easily and tierce-ssk. Plum, Tammy, and Porkens are all easily active enough to move when needed.

[Kagami]

Kagami, if you want to change to Katsuk, it has to be now. Same to you, SSK.

Reviewing the thread to think about this more. I expect a slowish day at work, deadline isn't coming that quickly for me.

[Kagami]

meep. Plum should lock herself into a claim

Wouldn't it be no worse for her to do so at the beginning of day 2?

[Kagami]

@Porkens

I just don't think the probability that both tierce and katsuki are town is high enough to justify another vote. If you assume that tierce vs katsuki is not town vs town, there are two populations of players with one scum in each:

population A: {tierce, katsuki} - 2 people
population B: {actiondan, porkens, kagami, plum, ssk, sean, kanye, tammy, lngrrr} - 9 people, one of whom is a mason

I'd much rather shoot among A than B. SSK hasn't exactly inspired my confidence, but neither has several people in B.

If they are town vs town, then my money would be on plum-scum over ssk scum anyway.

[Kagami]

@AD: keep in mind that if the lynch hits scum, then 480 makes it very unlikely that plum is scum. There's no way scum-plum would be interested in limiting the lynchpool to 2 with her partner in it.

[Kagami]

@Porkens

I just don't think the probability that both tierce and katsuki are town is high

Sorry, but can you explain/point to the explanation of why?

For one, they've been more independently scummy than anyone in list B. Katsuki has been actively lurking in addition to his strong pro-fate stance, inexplicable anti-tierce stance, and has generally been reluctant to do anything remotely townish. Tierce, meanwhile, made the "fate is scum" push only during the daykill twilight, and has generally been raising little red flags for me with her posts.

More to the point of why that particular pairing is better than any other scummy pairing is that their interaction strongly implies that at most one of them is scum, which increases the probability that there is scum in the group, and also that the unyielding nature of their push on one another is unusual for town v town (though not unheard of). There's just too much certainty there.

[Kagami]

I don't think they'd be powerbussing on day 1 given that one of their buddies is dead. A lone scum is so vulnerable to trackers, blockers, etc, that it would just be too much of a risk, imo, and almost certainly not worth the towncred.

[Kagami]

I don't think they'd be powerbussing on day 1 given that one of their buddies is dead. A lone scum is so vulnerable to trackers, blockers, etc, that it would just be too much of a risk, imo, and almost certainly not worth the towncred.

By the same logic, though, why would either of them, as scum, get into that fight?

I think Tierce has tried to get out of it.

[Kagami]

I have reviewed the game, and after I've put my little guy to sleep and done the dishes, I'll be digging through your meta to see if this is typical of town-tierce pre-lynch.

[Kagami]

You're lynched with impressive rarity o.o

[Kagami]

...
I'm concerned with how you had these points about morality and me being Town and now you're sitting with a vote on me as deadline nears and don't actually seem to have reviewed the game.
...

This seems like a bit of a silly poke. Regardless of your alignment, I'm pretty sure you know I'm town.

[Kagami]

btw, I

am

switching to katsuki if he doesn't make an appearance before I go to sleep tonight.

[Kagami]

Daytalk means disagreement is nullish.

Have you played with tierce much? Is there anything beyond the already stated arguments to point to her being scum?

[Kagami]

btw, I

am

switching to katsuki if he doesn't make an appearance before I go to sleep tonight.

any particular reason why?

This should be obvious. You're input is necessary, and saying this caused you to appear.

[Kagami]

o god, I said you're instead of your. Much shame.

[Kagami]

If you are scum, tierce, I think it's with SSK.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: katsuki

[Kagami]

Why worry about it, Tierce? There will be plenty of time to explain why I think that tomorrow.

The only thing we should be concerned about right now is a no lynch. Katsuki did all of nothing with that prod-dodge, so I'm vote-parked.

p-edit: I think katsuki is l-2? isn't linger on him?

[Kagami]

Why

not

worry about it, Kagami? Why are you convinced you'll be around Tomorrow, if you're that convinced you look Town that I should know you to be so?

Porkens, for someone who said he'd lynch pretty much anyone, you're being pretty etc.

The mason will obviously die tonight, not me.

The nutshell of the argument is that in my somewhat quick review of tierce lynches, a common theme for scum-tierce is to distance

hard

.

[Kagami]

756 + 757 is a pretty clever townslip if it was forced.

[Kagami]

Porkens, what was the intent with the holy aura post?

[Kagami]

I'm town, move on.

If this is true, I think it more or less has to be kanye-tammy


Gamma's been hitting a lot of town notes for me since the replace in
I think ssk's 756+757 is legit; a brief meta-dive doesn't show ssk faking little townslips like this as scum
I agree with Tammy's reasoning on lnngrr, in addition to agreeing with the questions he's asked. It would be odd for scum to be pushing kanye when it was so clearly an unpopular wagon.

The Tierce kill is also a little odd. With both katsuki and plum flipping town, it wouldn't be too hard to pin suspicion on Tierce. The kill suggests that the killer was worried that her reads would change the game-state unfavorably, and/or was happy with the final state of her position. Could just be that they generally didn't want a strong player around, so idk.

VOTE: kanye

[Kagami]

Btw, the way kanye writes is faked, right? It looks forced and inconsistent...

[Kagami]

Your first point is sort-of true. I was legitimately mystified by what seems like an obviously terrible strategy, and it's subsequent defense by Tierce, but I concede that I did little to advance the game-state. The same argument could be made against every single person who is currently alive, though, excluding perhaps yourself.

Regarding your second point, the first quote is very different from the latter two. In 768 I'm just laying out my two best scumspects and giving reasons why. I'm not saying we need to lynch them, and am looking for counterpoints, such as that which you provide in 771.

In 514, I am doing what you criticize, and was obviously wrong, but I don't see the real scum motivation in that relative to alternatives (most notably, letting deadline hit with lots of 2-man vanity wagons). 497 points out that {SSK, tierce} was neither a good, nor necessary lynchpool at that time, and it looked to me like she was forcing a decision between herself and SSK where she believed she had positional advantage. I still think ssk is town, and I was clearly correct that other lynches were viable given that we actually lynched katsuki.

[Kagami]

Eh? I think if I had said "I want to lynch Kanye or Tammy," you'd be equally critical, no?

If I had been made king last night, and could unilaterally execute someone, I would not immediately do it two pages into day 2. I'd be asking the town, especially those who I'm reasonably confident are town, what their reads/opinions are, just as I do above.

[Kagami]

That can't be helped, I don't have a firm stance and projecting that I do would just be false =\

[Kagami]

It's very difficult for me to interact with just about everyone but porkens, since I can only really post during work hours and then a little bit after my son goes to sleep most nights. Most everyone else seems to be active almost exclusively past midnight. I see little chance of scum slipping up if given 12+ hours to think about their response, especially given daychat.

re: 812. At the time, and still now, I just didn't think ssk was scummy. I still haven't heard a reasonable argument against him, and have only seen evidence in his favor. The point in 561 was that meta-diving scum-tierce revealed a strong tendency for her to distance extremely hard from her scum-buddy as suspicion fell on her, which would implicate ssk. Otherwise, there was not, and still isn't, any good reason to vote him, imo.

[Kagami]

kagami's lack of doing anything in the game is troublesome.

Don't you think this is a little hypocritical?

[Kagami]

A lot of my reasoning there is PoE, but there are a couple of things that bother me.

First is the "LLD's reads are dope" remark, which was kind of ridiculous. While I'm reasonably impressed that LLD hit scum so early with her PR, her list was off the wall crazy. AD made sense as town due to masons, but the other town reads were goofy, and the scumreads equally so.

Also, there's kanye's active and immediate resistance to the turbo-lynch plan at the beginning of day 1, whereas he was happy to go along with it (at first) at the beginning of day 2. To his credit, he pointed out that it was dumb and changed his mind fairly quickly.

Lastly, there's the steadfast resistance to the katsuki lynch, which I don't think was warranted. No matter how you look at it, katsuki did nothing to indicate that she was town.


Altogether, it isn't a terribly strong argument, or I'd be pushing it harder. I'm mostly working off of townreads right now, which are ssk, pork, and lnngr. I want to know why people think ssk is scum, because I'm not getting that.

[Kagami]

Just realized he also didn't post between ADs kamikaze and the katsuki lynch, but was clearly watching the events unfold.

[Kagami]

If it were, then this setup could be won entirely by the unilateral decisions of three players, which just wouldn't be fun.

[Kagami]

Also, it looks to me like the spell names are from tenebrae, and holy aura is a valid one, so I suspect that's what porkens has. He could have independently found the same list and faked that he was holy aura earlier or just guessed a random spell name, but the latter seems unlikely given that his "usage" of it corresponds with the apparent use of the tenebrae spell.

[Kagami]

Well, I guess the spell list is just coming from general DnD stuff (as you can tell, I'm not familiar with it), so anyone might know it, especially someone who seems as closely affiliated with spyrex as porkens is.

Either way, prokens is town in my book.

[Kagami]

So why do you think he's scum, gamma?

[Kagami]

Shiny ability that would obviously go to town if he actually has it (which he might be able to demonstrate)

The daykill thing seems too ridiculous, but that could go either way, I guess. I could mod-spec a bit here about spyrex showing up as if to disprove its legitimacy, but it's quite likely that spyrex is not swayed by player actions re:VCs.

Silly as it is, 766 actually feels town to me. There are lots of people who make it a point to say they're town when scum, but porkens doesn't seem to be one of them (based on an earlier meta-dive). I know several players for whom such a declaration of towniness is almost always accurate, to the extent of being a trust-tell if intentional.

The vague, persistent suspicion of me always feels somewhat towny.

Only thing I'm not sure how to interpret is his complaint that I thought scum was likely in {tierce, katsuki}. From scum perspective, he'd be calling me out with the intent to push a lynch on me when I proved to be wrong, but he hasn't really done that with the sort of force I would expect, so I'm calling that towny too.

[Kagami]

I mean that I'm not sure how exactly to interpret the very obviously fake daykill. Is it town being silly, or scum trying to look townish? Seems almost too bad for either one.

Wrt the mod-spec bit, I would ordinarily interpret spyrex's timely VC as a direct statement of "no, this was not a real dayvig," and speculate from there, but from I can tell of our mod, he does his best to avoid letting gameplay influence his posting behavior, so there's probably little to be said about it.

[Kagami]

kagami what was your problem w. lambdas reads list and why did you not comment on it at the time if thats apparently a big deal to you?

lnngrr did for me, and, to channel the spirit of ferry, one does not step on another's line of inquiry.

Just realized he also didn't post between ADs kamikaze and the katsuki lynch, but was clearly watching the events unfold.

also would like to know how you are aware of my personal activity to such a degree that you can state what i was or was not doing so confidently

Seriously? You commented on the daykill at 11:40pm, 30 minutes before the flip from ADs suicide bomb, then posted the joke about spyrex referring to actionDan as female at 12:47 am, 15 minutes after the lynch flip. You were clearly around.

[Kagami]

lets put aside your terribly flawed and presumptuous reasoning; for what reason do you think i was avoiding the thread ?

Just realized he also didn't post between ADs kamikaze and the katsuki lynch, but was clearly watching the events unfold.

also would like to know how you are aware of my personal activity to such a degree that you can state what i was or was not doing so confidently

Seriously? You commented on the daykill at 11:40pm, 30 minutes before the flip from ADs suicide bomb, then posted the joke about spyrex referring to actionDan as female at 12:47 am, 15 minutes after the lynch flip. You were clearly around.[/quote]

Let's start with the basics: why is the above "terribly flawed and presumptuous reasoning?"

[Kagami]

On the contrary, it's you who are dodging important questions, and asking very silly ones. I don't imagine for a second that you lack the ability to recognize the scum benefits of avoiding implication in the katsuki lynch, and possibly preventing it from happening altogether, by avoiding the thread.

Now back to both of your little asides. Why is the reasoning flawed and presumptuous, and why would you add the "if apparently that's such a big deal to you" in 837 that is directly contrary to the relevant post?

So far you're beautifully fitting into your scum meta of asking lots of silly questions without answering anything.

[Kagami]

...
Now back to both of your little asides. Why is the reasoning flawed and presumptuous, and why would you add the "if apparently that's such a big deal to you" in 837 that is directly contrary to the relevant post?
...

[Kagami]

I realized since then that you made the same "slip" as ssk, and yours looks extremely legit, tammy.

I'll dig up the games later, but my read of the few scum-games in which tierce is not the final lynch all carried the theme of her carefully diverting the town from her buddies, either by distancing or faking associations with town. In this game, the best fit looked like the ssk distance. Obv, that's irrelevant since she flipped town.

[Kagami]

I admit that it was a weak argument, and admitted it then, but his response is so terrible that I don't see how he could be town anymore. Notice how he slips the little discredits into 837 and 840, what's the point of that?

[Kagami]

Just realized he also didn't post between ADs kamikaze and the katsuki lynch, but was clearly watching the events unfold.

Two things:

You can't know what people are doing when not posting

And that's not necessarily alignment relevant. I quite often watch events unfold and don't post for a variety of reasons.

This is potentially true, but since then he's stated that he didn't spectate. We have to believe he posted shortly before AD flipped, knew that it happened, then chose to avoid posting until shortly after the lynch. I can understand spectating bewildered to some extent, but thinking, "hey, no need to pay any attention to the thread during this important juncture! I'll just bake some cookies." seems very unlikely to me.

[Kagami]

Never been scum~

[Kagami]

The nightkill also feels a little odd to me.

Tierce already had heat from me and kanye, so if he were town, scum would likely leave her alive in hopes we'd mislynch her, no? They could instead have just killed someone who was unlikely to vote her, and then, even if the wagon failed, they would counterwagon on myself or kanye.

Alternatively, kanye would have been a pretty good NK choice, since only lnngrr (who was universally ignored by the town anyway) reported anything but a townread on him.

But if kanye is scum, neither of those routes are viable, and he would have to worry about Tierce's meta-experience with him if he let her live.

[Kagami]

There's an obvious scum motivation to let the deadline pass without a katsuki lynch. He would likely have been lynched today and you'd have gotten two nightkills for the price of one. You are not stupid and realize this. We were lucky lnnggr and porkens were there to vote.

Independent of that, you've implied that you weren't spectating during the period between AD+plum's flips and the lynch, even though you witnessed the suicide bombing, and posted shortly after the lynch. That seems incredibly unlikely, and it only makes sense for scum-kanye to lie about it.

My "bad meta application" (a statement which you haven't justified at all) continues to be true and pertinent: You are persistently evading questions, which is consistent with scum-kanye and less consistent with town-kanye.

[Kagami]

I'm very rapidly becoming suspicious of SSK and lnngr's inactivity as deadline approaches once again...

[Kagami]

Porkens, what was the holy aura thing? At first I was thinking that it was obviously a townish ability, but given how you had intended to use it, I'm not so sure anymore. Since you tried to use it publicly during the day, I can't imagine that it stops a nightkill... so does that mean it would stop a daykill? Was it just a joke?

[Kagami]

So I was hoping to try to get some information by figuring out who had read the rules vs who hadn't, but from what I can tell, nobody did. With deadline coming up, it should be pointed out:

Unlike most BaM games, it seems, it is plurality lynch at deadline, there will not be a no-lynch if a majority isn't reached.

[Kagami]

I'm town kanye, and I have no idea why you're pushing me.

[Kagami]

I still think ssk is town.

Porkens, why would you think the erase thing was some universal mechanic? Both erasers flipped as "Erase"

Given that we're one mislynch from lylo, and no one will believe a PR claim in lylo, are there really no investigations?

[Kagami]

My current position is that lnngrr, ssk, and tammy are town. I want porkens to be town too, but I'm feeling like his posts are strangely disconnected and I'm not sure how to interpret it.

[Kagami]

Kanye, you asserted that there is no scum motivation to avoid posting during the period between AD's flip and the lynch.

Why did you not consider the possibility of there being a no lynch for lack of votes a very real and obvious scum motivation?

[Kagami]

A bit less than 6 hours to deadline iinm.

I dunno, I just thought it was silly enough to be possible. I knew it didn't make sense with the flips but who knows this is powerful wizards.

meh, fair answer.

I think I'm back to my gamma-kanye theory. I was entertaining gamma-ssk for a second, on the basis that the scum strategy would be to generate no content and get deadline lynches, but I'm back to feeling ssk town. The momentum on him feels too easy.

[Kagami]

I'm feeling better about porkens because of the holy aura thing. If holy aura stopped a daykill (which seems to be how he wanted to use it...), then it's super anti-town since it looks like only the town have daykills. If it were a scum ability, though, there's no way you would have to announce it publicly. Therefore it's fake, porkens was just being a goofball to attempt to draw the NK.

[Kagami]

I'm trying to read 935 and it's not easy.

[Kagami]

Ok, it avoids the main point: If it were not plurality lynch, then it would be very obviously desirable to scum for there to be a no lynch, and it would be very hard for scum-kanye to show that he's present, but is allowing a no lynch to occur.

[Kagami]

Ok, it avoids the main point: If it were not plurality lynch, then it would be very obviously desirable to scum for there to be a no lynch, and it would be very hard for scum-kanye to show that he's present, but is allowing a no lynch to occur.

this argument makes sense if i vanished until after the stated deadline. this isnt what happened.

Why does it matter that you waited to post until after the lynch rather than after the deadline? It would just mean that the plan failed because lnngrr showed up to hammer.

[Kagami]

I don't care that you showed up before the deadline... I care that you were clearly present for the events, but didn't post until after the lynch.

[Kagami]

It's possible that you walked away for exactly that period, sure, but I now have another problem: it's very, very obvious that there's a scum motivation to avoiding the thread. Why did you say there wasn't?

[Kagami]

I don't even care about that, there's better evidence against you now. Answer an actual question instead of sniping at asides.

[Kagami]

If this is your town game, then your scum game must be much, much better if you're to be believed.

[Kagami]

It's possible that you walked away for exactly that period, sure, but I now have another problem: it's very, very obvious that there's a scum motivation to avoiding the thread. Why did you say there wasn't?

because if i was scum here i would rage like fuck and avert the katsuki lynch and push it elsewhere. i fucking love katsuki town as kanye scum and its a powerful asset i would not let be easily discarded. then also consider that theres no scum demerit for me acquiescing and making a lynch go through and i get free as fuck townpoints from Looking Really Town in the post hammer period. you are underrating the fuck out of my scum game and its goddamn insulting.

Gah, this actually sounds true -_-

[Kagami]

@Kagami, what momentum is there on SSK?

He's the leading wagon and was the leading wagon the entire day?

[Kagami]

i feel like i'm omgussing a little here, but gamma might actually be scum. his latest posts have been crap. and him saying he wanted to vote me when literally not saying any word to or about me since he replaced in until I addressed him about it is trash.

I think he's scum, but I don't have a good partner for him outside of kanye =\

[Kagami]

And kanye might actually be town; surreal though it may be.

[Kagami]

What's wrong with 942? SSK was indeed pushing for a no lynch that obviously wouldn't happen because that's not how plurality lynch works.

[Kagami]

What do you think about gamma, porkens?

[Kagami]

Fair enough, there's not really "momentum," since the wagon has stalled.

@spyrex: would you mind putting up a VC?

[Kagami]

ssk, claim.

p-edit: thanks~

[Kagami]

o, VT.

Strongly considering hammering. I'd like gamma and tammy to check in first.

[Kagami]

I won't be up then, I'm east coast and have a family. I'd love for the deadline to be at a reasonable EST time, which would happen if I hammer.

[Kagami]

951 feels pretty genuine to me.

[Kagami]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SSK

[Kagami]

my only concern is i dont see ssk and kagami being a scumpair.

Crazy possibility for you: I'm town.