Basically, F-16 got force-replaced for reasons he'll explain after the game's over.
Physically, yes.In post 756, Kazekirimaru wrote:Are you okay?
Oh, sure,In post 762, pitoli wrote:Kthxbye replaces mykonian's slot. Deadline has been extended by 2 days.
Day 1 ends in (expired on 2014-01-18 00:00:00)
Can you catch town trying to weasel out? 'Cause I am totally trying to do that.
That'd require me to actually have him as a scumread. I haven't done enough research to tell, yet. I am listening, and I liked pie's posting, but I haven't actually done my homework to see if it's accurate.In post 697, Kazekirimaru wrote:Vote your scumbro for me?
Maybe it does make more sense, but that doesn't change that it isn't true.In post 709, Tammy wrote:The game makes more sense if you're scum.
You're gonna need to figure how how to make sense of the game after I don't flip scum, so might as well start now. Fuck what makes the most sense; picture-perfect scumteams don't exist. Who's scum when I'm revealed town, Tammy?Nah. If I was, honestly, I'd probably have taken pitoli/F-16's offer to drop out of the game and have someone else replace in. I'm not invested in the game, and being the lead wagon, that's a problem as scum; my apathy would get me lynched. Speaking of which, I'd probably actually be fighting the wagon on me as scum; I tend to get overly-defensive when wagoned as scum. Basically, as scum, my lynch if not planned ahead of time is devastating to my scumteam. As town, my lynch is a rarity, so it's always bad, and I'll be doing plenty of ranting, but ultimately, not be fighting as hard because it's D1 and I enjoy ranting from dead QTs.In post 719, zMuffinMan wrote:mastin, are you scum?
Uh, no, it isn't? Like. This is as humble as I get without going all emo on you.In post 732, Kazekirimaru wrote:For those of you playing along at home, I'd like to explain why I believe the Mastin/F-16 hydra to be probscum. It's mainly based around one simple, but very relevant tell:
Scum-Mastin is quite arrogant. (Above quote from Les Mis for example
That was about F-16. It's not me who was going to turn him from mislynch to nightkill. It was my presence. Basically, those were his thoughts put into my words, actually. He thinks that my presence makes him a better player. Just me being present. Not even me playing the game. That's not arrogance; that's his belief and why he asked me to come into the game.Especially when asked why F-16 asked for help. "hai guys I'm here to save this slot and probably be awesome as tits and get nightkilled tonight for awesomeness" is some pretty bold stuff.
Well, yeah.It sounds to me like Mastin is attempting to drill into our minds something akin to "I'm an asset, and if you touch me you're an idiot."
Basically every time I get mislynched, the town loses that game. Heck, even most times I get nightkilled, the town immediately suffers. I'm not saying I'm a scumhunting god. I'm not. Not by a longshot. But I DO have an affect on people. My presence DOES help bring out better aspects of other players. It I'm not the guy who wins the game. (If I was, I'd have scummy noms. I do not. Not in that category, anyway.) I'm the guy who helps the person that does win the game, get up to the level where they can win the game. Which is basically what I'm trying to do now, via communicating with the players that I am.I did most of my posting logged into a desktop I was borrowing, on a break--was short on time. So, yes. I came in, not knowing what his reads were (he never told me, so I don't know--he told me that we were the lead wagon, and that's it. Okay, so there was some later stuff, but mostly? I don't know anything about his reads because he DIDN'T tell me), formed some reads on my own, saw we weren't voting, figured I'd lay one down, and was soloing. My mentoring approach largely relies on me having a grasp on the game, and giving extremely hands-on advice. Basically, in order to effectively teach him, I'd have to be an actual player. And though I can't bring any recent examples up (I don't think this style of teaching-hydra has any completed games), if you bothered researching Mastin hydras, you'd not find a single one where I-as-a-mentor-figure put much effort into synching up with my partner immediately. Quite the opposite. You'd find that I come in, guns a blazing, basically only with the bare necessities, and then, only then, after having that baseline, consulting with my partner. That happened. The only difference was, instead of me having troubles keeping up and becoming a non-entity in the hydra for the most part (I owe a loooooooot of people apologies for that), F-16 was the one leaving me, before we really had a chance to talk on anything at length.In post 737, zMuffinMan wrote:i have trouble believing f16 asked you to replace in to mentor him, and you came in ignoring all his reads, forming reads not even similar to his, controlling the vote, not consulting with him at all, etc etc as town
Well, if she's not town, then you have your answer.i dunno what you're hoping to achieve with the plum vote here. i don't think plum is town, but i don't really see plum getting lynched today
I did read the post, Tammy. But bluntly. If you're town.In post 789, Tammy wrote:This doesn't even make sense mastin and looks like you just talking to talk. Let's take a look at my whole post, shall we?
Now, read my post again. And rethink your questions.
Pretty sure he does. Maybe even moreso as town than as scum. Would have to double-check my games with him to be sure.In post 808, Brian Skies wrote:But I'd like Mastin to talk to me about it. Because although I can see town motivation in what Pasch is saying, I think his "scum role-fishing" theory is a little far-fetched and I'm wondering why he went there instead of just occam's razor. Have any of you played with Pasch before? Does he do stuff like this as town?
Then help me bus my buddy.In post 824, Tammy wrote:I don't know. Maybe kthnx, pasch, mastin.
And I'm asking you to get one. I don't care if it's your weakest day. I don't even know if you're town or not, and I'm trying to figure that out. You're not letting me. You're resisting. You're not working with me. You're not talking to me. You're saying I'm scum without you having a handle. SO GET THE DAMN HANDLE AND TELL ME WHO IS SCUM, THEN. Yes, you don't have it. I know. THAT'S THE POINT; YOUIn post 849, Tammy wrote:No you're being stupid. I've said I don't' have a handle here.
What the hell do you think this is, words for the sake of typing words?Try to figure out where I'm coming from or just stop talking to me. It's that simple.
Talk to me about ktnx--why not? Work with me on Plum. Talk more on kaze. I need to see what you see. (You're town, by the way.)In post 852, zMuffinMan wrote:mastin probably is, kthx and pasch probably aren't. still think plum is likely scum, dunno about brian, kaze also likely scum
Then help me lynch kthx. Talk to me more about Kagami; I'm not townreading that slot, but haven't really gotten a scumread there, either.In post 863, BROseidon wrote:Myko's postings weren't super town, and kthx's posts have been blegh. Kagami also still reads super scummy to me, as does pie, but apparently I'm crazy for thinking that or some shit (sort of like how I was crazy for thinking mastin/katsuki were scum in Anything Goes OH WAIT A MINUTE I WAS FUCKING RIGHT).
Yes, but not alignment-indicative different. His posting doesn't seem like it's the same, but it's the "not the same" that feels like it's the difference between two games in a different time period than it is two games with a different alignment. His game here is also about as different from Touhou as it is from Anything Goes. Basically, I'm not getting a strong read either way. I'm seeing flashes of town and flashes of scum. Overall, I'm getting more flashes of scum than of town, but that's like 55/45.
This is me being confident? (Okay, forceful, yeah.In post 898, pieguyn wrote: this mastin seems way more confident and more forceful than that mastin.
That happens, y'know. When you replace in. Are the lead candidate for lynching. And your hydra partner is no longer in the game.) I have reads, but none of them particularly strong. You're looking town, and decently-strongly so, but even when it comes to you, I'm not getting the instant-townvibe I normally get. Basically, I'm having the opposite problem as in Touhou. There, I was thinking too many people town. Here, I'm thinking too many people scum, and that's a problem. I've got people who aren't. zMuf isn't, you're not, ActionDan isn't, I'm leaning towards Tammy being town (but I'm not sure), as just a few off the top of my head. But none of them have been coming as fastly and as strongly as they normally do.Hey, pie. Mind enlightening me on what in my postingin that game he was saying if his posts feel legitimate but aren't logical he's town and if his posts are rock solid but feel forced he's scum and I'm kind of leaning towards the latter here.
He was.and I'm conflicted cause I thought F-16 was town.
Like I said: different. Sorta-scummy...but not as scummy. In Touhou, it was just...In post 900, pieguyn wrote:oh also mastin saw right through BRO in that game so I wanna know what he sees about him here
Inclined to agree. How 'bout this, Tammy--In post 910, Tammy wrote:Bert is bringing the town so that's cool.
At least give me this, then.In post 912, Tammy wrote:take your responses to me and wipe your ass with them.
That was not an unreasonable request.In post 911, mastin2 wrote:List your townreads and why, instead of scumreads-that-you-think-suck.
...I'm not following. I'm being quite explicit. I'mIn post 971, pieguyn wrote:mastin what the hell. tammy just said that's what it was. and from what I can tell she explicitly said you being town was what was making her not have a handle on her reads and you being scum fixes that
what are you hoping to accomplish by talking about this? it feels like you're trying to discredit her read on you bc "omg you don't know who's scum if I'm town". it seems like a really odd angle to take, especially if you're trying to help her fix your read on you. and I don't get how you hope to work anything out by just telling her she's wrong over and over without trying to figure out why
Because she's one of the players that I want to use to GET stronger reads. I want to work with her. But she's making it nigh-impossible to do so.if none of your reads are strong why are you so pissed off at tammy for not being confident in her reads?
So do I, muffin. The Pasch wagon likely has at least two scum on it. So, want to work with me to bus Plum?In post 982, zMuffinMan wrote:i hate everything about this lynch
Because I am.i don't know why people started thinking mastin is town
That happens, you know.Agreed, but wouldn't it be even better to just lynch scum today? I don't think Tammy's scum. I don't think Pie's scum. I don't think Bert is scum. But I can easily see any/all of Plum/Kaze/Kagami being scum. So help me lynch them, dammit. Aside from your damn scumread on me, our reads are nearly the same from the looks of things.if he is town like i think he is, the only plus side to a pasch lynch happening is it the fact that a town flip makes it insanely easy to spot who the scum on the wagon is here:
Paschendale (6): Plum, Kazekirimaru, Pieguyn, Tammy, Kagami, Bert
Then talk to me about each and every one of your reads. Walk me through them. Sometimes, just talking them out makes you realize something. And if not, the outside perspective of another player can help you focus/hone in on things.In post 1033, Tammy wrote: If I don't have a handle, it's not because I haven't tried and am not working on it, it's because I'm at a loss. Today, I'm at a loss here. I don't feel super great about my scum reads or my town reads.
Muffin's town, so if this is true, it'd be Kaze. (Kaze's probably scumIn post 1035, Athenas Fury wrote:oh also, if bro and kthnx are really town mason like things, then the chance there is scum in kaze or muffin is really high.
...Yeah? If I was able to better explain these things, I'd be a far more competent town player than I actually am.In post 1042, Kagami wrote:Mastin, what am I to make of those reads? Every single one is "trust me, I can read this guy, he is ___," and that is from an incomplete reading of the game?
For the record, this looks like a bus-vote.In post 1063, Brian Skies wrote:I'm okay with a Plum counter-wagon.
Indeed. He's prob-scum.In post 1073, Bert wrote:Brian's #1063 worries me.
This is my exact sentiment. Kaze's probably my strongest scumread right now, even stronger than Plum, but Pasch is so ridiculously town right now it's not even funny. 1092, in particular, is townposting to its core.In post 1093, Kthxbye wrote:I think I'd rather lynch Kaze over plum today but p1092 is as town as it gets really and it looks like due to deadline, we need a stronger counter wagon to Pasche's to get what town are on it to switch.
VOTE: Plum
Bert, you're describing playstyles more than alignments. I don't remember much of Plum (I've only read a few random games with her in them and don't think I actually played with her), but I distinctly recall that she's forceful regardless of alignment. This part I could be wrong on, but I also remember her using more reasoning as town.In post 1108, Bert wrote:Just skimmed their ISO's.
Plum has used less reasoning BUT has been more forceful in reads and going after players.
Paschendale seems to keep his/her options open and doesn't commit as much, but also posts more "wordy content."
Vote: Paschendale
What you need to do is read the actual content present, and Pasch's content is ridiculously town-as-hell. Heck, his tone is town, too. He's been townposting, through-and-through.Because he's scum, Bert. His attitude towards forcing the Pasch lynch should be one BIG FREAKIN HUGE RED FLAG.In post 1109, Bert wrote:Why are you so confident about Paschendale lynch?In post 1107, Kazekirimaru wrote:Goddamn it, Bert.
I've yet to see a Pasch game where he hasn't done this when strung up. (Did I mention he's an easy mislynch?) If anything, it's a towntell, and it's quite justified in this case. There's literally no reason to be lynching him.What bothers me about Pasch is the "THERE IS NO REASONING ABOUT THIS LYNCH, THIS IS ALL BS" thing. The victim card rings kinda scummy :/
Really old school, undeniably so. Really-old-school-town, not so much.In [url=httpIn post 1112, Bert wrote:Plum's playstyle is really old school. Smells like a mislynch.
You're scum because you're scum.In post 1134, Kazekirimaru wrote:Mastin, the hell? Keep calling me scum without interfacing with me directly? That's not goodposting.
As discussed, swamped with real-life stuff.In post 1452, Rancid Broderick Drake wrote:Where the fuck is mastin anyway. He hasn't checked in from day start.
I'm thinking much the same at this point, though I still have my eye on Kagami.In post 1272, pieguyn wrote:so my guess for scumteam is {Brian, Kaze, Bert}.
Kagami's posting has seemed mildly but not severely town, to the point where I could see Kagami as either but lean towards town. As for Dan, I typically prefer not to beat dead horses. (No pun intended.) Basically, this was the him I remember from Walking Dead, rather than the him I remember from Pinkmin.@mastinwhat do you think of Kagami's early D1 posting? also can you elaborate on your Dan read?
Yes, yes I am.In post 1291, Brian Skies wrote:OH! IS MASTIN JESUS?
Scum-Brian is even MORE likely to assert AD is town with little grounding.In post 1331, Kagami wrote:So you think scum-brian would assert AD is town with so little grounding?
Quite possibly, 'specially given that 2-player neighborhoods typically are either but 3-player neighborhoods almost-universally have one scum in them.In post 1465, Rancid Broderick Drake wrote:Do you think there is scum in our neighborhood?In post 1461, Kagami wrote:as an aside, I think both tammy and kaze are town.
Well, all my scumreads have claimed as far as I can tell.In post 1539, Kazekirimaru wrote:You forgot to popcorn >.>
Fuck that. I'm Hannes, Weak Human Vanilla. I have the ability of Cowardice, a passive sometimes preventing the activation of my 3-D gear. That's basically it. (Well, as close as it as I can get with a paraphrase, anyway.) I don't give a damn what F-16 said about the weak discussion. It's right there in my damn role PM.In post 1540, Kagami wrote:Your slot was uncommonly aloof to the weak discussion for it being so relevant to you.
Well, then, show me it. Kagami's posting since I've come in has been overall good, but not great. It's stuff that feels strong, but doesn't feel town. Pasch on the other hand is kinda the opposite--his stuff doesn't feel strong or weak. However, itIn post 1542, pieguyn wrote:srsly?
it's like you can't recognize town motivation if it slapped you in the face. I get you didn't see it firsthand cause you weren't in the game then, but the way she went about it was so town it's not even funny. and I really don't get how the hell you think Pasch is more town than Kagami.
I'm here when I really shouldn't be. Basically, I AM busy, but am cramming in time here that I shouldn't be cramming in. (It's the same type of thing which caused me to be overwhelmed during the weekend. This stuff does have consequences.)In post 1563, Rancid Broderick Drake wrote:btw you seem conveniently 'around' for someone who's, well, supposed to be really busy.
Kaze's scum, Bert's scum, and Brian Skies is probably scum. I said all of this before. I'm also not strongly townreading Kagami, and will need to check out pie's view on it.In post 1566, Rancid Broderick Drake wrote:And a readslist from you mastin would be appreciated.
Fuck bussing. Have you considered instead the possibility that, y'know, I'm town and he's scum?In post 1648, pieguyn wrote:Kagami how do you like the chance Kaze and mastin are crossbussing the shit out of each other?
Same.In post 1649, Kagami wrote:p-edit: possible, my stance is bert/mastin/X for scumteam. X being in the neighborhood makes sense, but I'm not feeling many scum-vides from any of them.
Okay. Let's play ball.In post 1785, pieguyn wrote:POE + he's apparently a weak role but F-16 didn't claim weak when Kagami called for a 3rd weak claim. it makes me think it's a fakeclaim and F-16 was originally gonna claim smth else
Then help me lynch him.In post 1826, Tammy wrote:like seriously there is almost no way bert is town because he's totally playing against his wincon if he is. It has nothing to do with turning over a new leaf or trying to make a point or anything. He's trolling and just hoping that you all will call it town.
And the very fact that I got prodded is proof of it.In post 1843, Bert wrote:Yer squib worries Mastin be swamped by real life outside yer boat
Indeed.In post 1865, pieguyn wrote:kaze you're so transparent
your plan to paint zmuffin as scum in the neighborhood didn't work so now you have to switch to tammy. hardly ggs
I still think that this is scum.In post 1911, Kagami wrote:Pie is the only one I really trust, but my current opinion is that there's a strong possibility that the entire neighborhood is town, but if it isn't, kaze is the scummo. I think that bro+kthx are probably town, but the "loss" they suffer from the other dying is completely silly.
Pie more or less gave the gist of my thoughts on why bert is a bad lynch for today. I have additional thoughts about how what goes down tonight might be interpreted, but they're little more than wild speculation until it actually happens.
Why do you think mastin is town?
That's because it requires someone being scum who isn't.In post 1997, Kagami wrote:Interesting. I was thinking mastin/kaze/brian, but I would have expected kaze to make the kill in that case.
Yeah, not a crook--
Nah, just me misremembering the wincon. I coulda sworn that it was "eliminate all titans" or something like that, akin to "eliminate all mafia", but I checked; it's just 'threats to the humans'.In post 2007, Kagami wrote:Titans for the scum-team is the obvious contrast with "Human," but the flavor for both nightkills suggest the killers are not titans.
Then help me lynch Kaze, dammit.In post 2012, Rancid Broderick Drake wrote:Yaar we be 90% on Kaze/mastin.
VOTE: Mastin
Paschedale is next on me list o' traitors, perhaps more than Kaze if Mastin flips scum.
Jesus can't be scum. He's a savior, not a layer of dirt on a froth of liquid.In post 2025, Rancid Broderick Drake wrote:This be Jesus's scum game. That is all ye need to know.
I could describe some differences in the way he responds to other pirates and the way he approaches his reads, or I could point to his read progression on our cabin boy, Bert, and show you why he's playing a survival game rather than trying to figure out who is scum, but I be too lazy.
It's two--Kaze and Brian. Like I said. If pie were alive today, I'm decently certain he'd be townreading me. He was killed before he got the chance to change that read.In post 2030, BROseidon wrote:This was pie's last read list. He was also pushing mastin harder than Bert yesterday. Question is whether Pie was killed b/c he was onto scum (which would mean 2/3 or 3/3 of Kaze, mastin, and Brian are scum), or if he was killed to solidify town reads (in which case 2-3 scum would be in his town block).
I'm just reasonably certain he would have. Especially if I had the opportunity to respond to his points against me. Basically, he would have realized that he was confirmation biasing me. And that I was town and that Kaze wasn't.In post 2051, BROseidon wrote:mastin's assertion that pie would have reversed his read on him is strange, though. Mastin, explain.
Or the mod gave it to them and they didn't use it, or the mod didn't think it was necessary, or they do and it's someone else. Like, say, you.In post 2060, Kagami wrote:The scum must have a weak fake-claim. I don't think pitoli just told them what "weak" meant.
Nope. Basically, he'd probably have paused, rethought things, and thought he could be wrong on me. Me responding to his concerns about me would end up solidifying that doubt of a scumread, and push it back into a townread.In post 2067, Kazekirimaru wrote:"If he were here he'd change his mind because I'd make him."In post 2064, mastin2 wrote:I'm just reasonably certain he would have. Especially if I had the opportunity to respond to his points against me. Basically, he would have realized that he was confirmation biasing me. And that I was town and that Kaze wasn't.In post 2051, BROseidon wrote:mastin's assertion that pie would have reversed his read on him is strange, though. Mastin, explain.
No, he'd realize he was wrong and have it reflected.
Because I haven't been crucified by Judas, of course! Actual town players are avoiding my wagon.In post 2096, Rancid Broderick Drake wrote:Why is Jesus still on this ship?
And when Kaze uses his second-vote to surprise-lynch me, you know who's scum. (Kaze, Brian, and Kagami.)In post 2104, Brian Skies wrote:Vote: Mastin
Mindlessly sheeping because I don't want to read right now and I seem to be on a completely different wavelength from everybody else. That should be L-1.
Ah, good, thanks for hammering, because I'm secretly a mafia treestump 1x lynch redirector, with my power activated in twilight.In post 2496, pieguyn wrote:hey guys I'm a triplevoter restless spirit
Well, naturally. It's almost as if we'd nominate this game for a most-enjoyable scummie if it had been over!In post 2500, GuyInFreezer wrote:Having fun, guys?