We could make our diablerie noms public, someone keep a count and agree that everyone nominate the player with the most diablerie votes. As long as it's adhered to we minimize ghoulscum influence on the diablerie action?
well OK maybe I didnt fully weigh the cons of the idea but as it should be going to obvtown and scum tend to kill obvtown, the scenario isnt that much different.Lady Lambdadelta wrote: Also, publicly announcing diablerie is a fucking terrible idea. You might as well say "look at me, I've just gotten a ton of Vitae, don't kill me pls."
Not asking for full claim just flavour, mainly because I know the game itself (and know that you do to based off your comment in the sign ups) and struggling to think of reasons for a vampire that would "detect as human" that would fit with the flavour. That being said, it is quite a while since I played any of the Storyteller games, so I could just be having a senior moment ...Squirrel Girl wrote:I certainly do. Except that I also think it's pretty clear I am not full claiming. I am claiming an affect related to my role PM, that I am a Miller. It is important that I claim this out of the gate because it will help town focus itself more usefully with any human detecting powers. That was the reason for that part of my claim. However, I am unaware of myself being under suspicion, so I don't see the value in full claiming at this stage nor do I really understand why you want me to. Is there some advantage I'm overlooking? If it's helpful to town I could full claim, but I'm pretty sure that's not helpful right at this stage. Can you explain what I'm missing?In post 15, displaced wrote:@Squirell got some flavour with that claim?
Yeah I have this thing where I ask for flavour from miller claims, it's like a reflex, dunno why since your obviously gonna have thought it though if it were a scumbit anyway. I should probably try and cut it out. Also it looks like your flavour memory is much stronger than mine...In post 31, Squirrel Girl wrote:I could think of a number of possibilities just off the top of my head. Maybe I'm a Mummy. Maybe I'm a dhampir. Maybe a thin blood. Maybe an Ananasi. Maybe a yang imbalanced Kuei-jin. maybe I'm a ghoul and want to claim loyal ghoul. There are dozens of possible explanations and the above are simply ones where I'd still arguably be able to pass as a Vampire, it doesn't even touch on the possibilities wherein I'm something else. If all you want is a flavor claim out of curiosity pick one of the above and run with it. If you think the question has pro-town purpose then let me know the purpose and I'll gladly answer.In post 28, displaced wrote:Not asking for full claim just flavour, mainly because I know the game itself (and know that you do to based off your comment in the sign ups) and struggling to think of reasons for a vampire that would "detect as human" that would fit with the flavour. That being said, it is quite a while since I played any of the Storyteller games, so I could just be having a senior moment ...
What's your read on Kthxbye?
Mostly this. I dont feel like Im being manipulated, just motivated. I can be prone to laziness and her gumption in trying to get me to take stances feels townIn post 47, Kthxbye wrote:Why does it feel OK?In post 40, displaced wrote:kthx has a halfpoint I think, I am feeling a little putty-like but it kinda feels ok?SGs town vibes, my scumminess, or other?
Well what to make of this? Pretty sure his name is part of his flavour but regardless he claimed his clan and his generation which is also flavour. This line of inquiry is excessively nitpicky and suspicious as a result. My opinion about something else was that I should unvote. Did my lack of a semicolon make that statement incomprehensible? For clarity I unvoted because of Aronis' generation claim; a sixth generation vampire is only a few steps away from the founders of the clans themselves and is a powerful critter indeed. I dont think we should lynch such a claim on day one.In post 70, d3x wrote:This is odd to me. Aronis didn't flavor Claim, he NameClaimed. Why exactly did this make you back down? Aside from that, why say you have an opinion about something else and then end your post? What was the opinion and what was it on? Did it refer to a ScumRead? If so, why no Vote anywhere? In short, what was the purpose in telling us you had an opinion on something without telling us what the opinion was? Finally, why haven't you followed up on it?In post 35, displaced wrote:I have an opinion about something else. Flavour claim makes me unvote
Yeah I know there are other clans its just the Camarilla ones are the only ones I can really remember with clarity. Also I dont think you can be so sure of which clans would have which powers? I could think of plenty of different powers for each discipline and I dont get why you're so sure of yourself hereIn post 86, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I can go as far as to explain what I expect would be the abilities for each clan, but I'm not sure I'd want to do that right now without talking to SpySpy-kun first. I want his input on this.In post 84, displaced wrote:LLD would you rate the Camarilla clans in order of how useful you think they would be in this game?
But suffice it to say that I could probably name the powers of most vampire clans.
You're making a fatal mistake here thoguh, and while I don't want to flavor spec any more than I'm already doing, here are some things to chew on:
1) There are other clans besides the Camarilla. Assamite, Followers of Set, Lasombra, Daughters of Cacophany, Tzimiche, Giovanni, Ravnos, True Brujah. Any or all of these could exist in this game.
2) There are other creatures in the world of darkness besides just Children of Caine. Any of these could be here.
So let's try and ignore flavor speculation as much as we can, but I do want Spyrex's take on this.
People keep saying this and are probably right but what about the flipside? Not having some organization means the scum team are gonna get the vitae for themselves more often than not. This is just as bad (or worse?) than giving scum extra incentive to kill a particular person, isn't it? I agree that my idea is flawed but we should still try to figure a way to do this better imo
I think it's overblown
tbh I think Kats may have been trying to fake a townslip thereIn post 344, Squirrel Girl wrote:@Aronis - do you honestly believe that voting a dead person is a valid reason to want to policy lynch them? That's really no worse or of less info than someone who isn't voting anyone, right?
Vonflare asked LLD if she couldnt be nightkilled. I see only scum motivation behind such a question.In post 350, Kthxbye wrote:Which scummy question? Also, walk me through how it makes him scum from your POV.In post 345, displaced wrote:Back but no time right now.
VOTE: Vonflare
for that scummy question he asked
Willing to lynch in [Vonflare, Aronis, AA9, Kats] today I think
Also, if you are willing to lynch from that pool and only you are voting Von, are you going to tell us why he's scum and why we should vote him or are you good just staying off the Aronis wagon?
What is you opinion of the relationship between Kat and Aronis?
Is this you trying to push some activity BS when Ive been announced as V/LA? Coming from a slot so inactive I had forgotten its very existence?In post 355, mnemonicdevice wrote: displaced: wow that was a fast iso to read. Yeah... uh don't like the revealing diablare noms. Seems like a terrible idea.
I think Im OK with LLD nom personally. Spyrex not yet convinced and Kats you'll have to sell to me pretty hard. What is it that makes you townread him?In post 369, Kagami wrote:VOTE: mnemonic
I like LLD for diab target. 2nd and 3rd choices would be Spyrex and katsuki.
This catch has been caught. Reiterating it doesnt get you extra credit, sorryIn post 370, vonflare wrote:In post 355, mnemonicdevice wrote: Although Grey is the kind of person who would give scum a dayvig like that. I say that we wait and see who the scum kill. Townread for nowSo, aknowleges that there was a dayvig.In post 355, mnemonicdevice wrote: She asks aronis about dayvig before d3x uses one, which is interesting.
Then tells the person who was dayvigged to 'stop lurking'.In post 355, mnemonicdevice wrote: monkey: likes kagami lynch who is my strongest town read. Hasn't really posted anything else. Minor scum read. Stop lurking please
Da heck is this?
since people are starting to read aronis as town (his 'too scummy to be scum' plan is working), I guess mnmonic is as good a lynch as any other, and better than some.
VOTE: mnmonic
I'm pretty sure that's L-1.
His initial push on AronisIn post 411, Kthxbye wrote:What has you reading Spy as Null+?
If there were nothing else to consider, policy lynching Kats for his playstyle is reasonableWhat do you mean "taken in a vacuum"?
d3x wrote:What specifically about his push has you TownLeaning on him?In post 412, displaced wrote:His initial push on AronisIn post 411, Kthxbye wrote:What has you reading Spy as Null+?
In post 26, Aronis wrote:Since I am getting voted and flavor claims aren't that important(?).
I am Sasha Vykos, Tzimisce, 6th Generation.
In post 61, SpyreX wrote: However, I really don't want to lose sight of Aronis. I think we're getting too far afield already.
Look at your PM. Look at the wincon.
Then look at those two posts. We got a live one that flavor fucked themselves.
In post 227, GreyICE wrote:In the deep gloom voices are raised. A din of shouting, and then you see it. A single spark...fire!The fear races through your body like a lighning bolt. In the jet you can see a face. A target, briefly. And then the fire washes over him and consumes him, reducing him to ashes. And then it fades.
D3Xhas reducedMonkeyMan576to ash. He wasArnold, Gangrel, 11th Generationand aligned with theVampires
d3x wrote:If you mean that I wish I'd saved it for a certain replacement, I also agree.In post 426, displaced wrote:Yeah I agree with thisIn post 424, ArcAngel9 wrote: D3x already rushed into monkeys Vig.
Yeah I agree with this as I mentioned in my only post of day two. I think this kill points at Kthxbye as scum since SG had a page 1 scum read on him which didnt quite get lit up into something extremely major, so killing her could be an attempt to prevent the re ignition of her scumread on day two?In post 658, Katsuki wrote:(the squirrel NK N1 was extremely odd to me too).
I was expecting it to go on either LLD, d3x or myself. The fact that none of us drew the NK, and went to the claimed miller read odd to me.
Im pretty sure that's the only mention of Kthx by Vonflare in his whole ISO. It's not until post #470 that Spyrex gets a look inIn post 101, vonflare wrote:Being pushy, reminds me of Albert B Rampage. Anger isn't usually alignment-indicative, though.In post 80, d3x wrote:I may shed a tear.
What are your thoughts on the KthxWagon? What are your thoughts on Kthx?
Personally, I don't see what all the fuss is about Kthx. Did he do something scummy? maybe I missed it.
More reads coming when I get some.
Where he gets a weirdly hedged town read/diab nom suggestion. I mean this is a pretty weird statement. Why the qualifier over Spyrex's alignment due to his writing style?In post 470, vonflare wrote:Well, I would give it to SG or Spyrex. both seem to be town-motivated, even if the latter seems to use a lot of metaphors.
Just in case anyone was thinking about it, don't give me the diablarie, I don't have any powers yet.
In post 57, vonflare wrote:Ummmm, no one noticed this?In post 27, Katsuki wrote:HEY GUIZ
I NEED VITAE
I GOTS LOTS OF SHINY GAMEBREAKING POWERS
DANKE
Vote: SG
VOTE: katzuki
BTW, im V/LA on weekends. will catch up on monday.
In post 92, vonflare wrote:It seems to me that he is hinting at wanting the diablerie, and it figures that ghouls would want the diablerie so the vamps dont have any vitie for ther vampire consumption thingy.In post 59, Squirrel Girl wrote:I figured it as RVS tomfoolery and ignored it, myself. It didn't seem very exciting or alignment telling to me.
@VonnyBoy - what is the scumtell there in your eyes?
In post 93, vonflare wrote:Lol i just read my above post, lots of grammar errors.
"It seems to me that he is hinting at wanting the diablarie, and it seems that ghouls would want the diablarie so that the vampires would not have enough to survive."
In post 106, vonflare wrote:Overblown? explain.
In post 110, vonflare wrote:I don't know scumkats.In post 109, displaced wrote:You attached too much import to a post that was obviously silly and you assume scumkats would be this transparent?vonflare wrote:
Overblown? explain.
I think this series of posts indicate Vonflare felt he deserved more traction with this push and didnt want to let it go, so more likely to be a push for a mislynch than a distancing play.In post 112, vonflare wrote:Hey, I don't know anyone here. I just go with what i'm given.In post 111, displaced wrote:Neither do I but it's a bit too blatant for anyone? I guess it could come from really ballsy, trolly scum?
I also dont think Von would ask the above question of a buddy, it's a terribly scummy question to ask and one that immediately caused me to scumread him. It would have to be a player I considered extremely proficient to ask this question to make me even consider some kind of strange WIFOM play might be afoot, and even then, it would still be considered a long shot.In post 264, vonflare wrote:Why? are you NK-immune?
Not so much like it would make a black hole in the game or anything but for the roles to coexist they need a hierarchy which would cause one role to not function as written. It's just ...inelegant.SpyreX wrote: So, go ahead and tell me how those "spaz" out at all. Tell me what world imploding interaction you see there.
mnemoic. I feel your zeal over his fractured claim looks extremely bad in retrospectWhat "major convictions" were wrong? Aronis scum? and... others?
Heh. I found it amusing my scumpicks started distancing from each other through me. Helps shore up the defences against second guess syndromeAnd you called me scum at the beginning of the daybefore I postedand now its because I called you scum.
I only have 1 blood left so using it means I have to get the diablerie or town probs loses overnight. Im also told my ability will fail if the game state is such that an extra vote could cause town loss. This does mean I could use the ability to determine if we are in lylo but only with a play that is fraught with risk.The one thing, for sure, I want to see today now that I think about it is displaced laying a vote with his ability active on kthx. I want to see if its either bullshit or if the number to lynch changes. Because if either of those things don't happen then there's either one scum left or he's town.
Yeah like is Spy really haranguing me for not quoting my role PM?Shadoweh wrote:I don't see why confusion over redirects changes anything about kthxbye abandoning ship unless you think he's town somehow.
It sounds more like wording that would stop it from working in LYLO. Though it's weird that it doesn't say 'does not work in LYLO'. But I don't feel like critiquing the wordinngggg
This is so scum. The resource management in the game is of paramount import. (You say so yourself) I have been wise enough to use that in the best way possible, by not using my relatively weak power, and here you are pushing me to use it at the time when it is a terrible gamble to take.In post 692, SpyreX wrote: Leaving aside that if you were to use this ability it is given that you have to get the diablerie and even bringing that up is just making excuses
First up, my role in no way, shape or form confirms me as town. Not using it was the best use of it, doing what I could to ease the resource pressure.Kthxbye wrote: Displaced could be scum because: Double voter that didn't use it till he was conveniently out of vitae? This role is easily conformable town yet he waited till he COULDN'T use it before claiming it? Red flags. His saving grace is that I think Spy is scummier for his play and his claim up to this point. I don't see the argument between them as town v town nor do I think it's faked. One is scum and I think it's spy.
VOTE: Spy
Nope, because Im not going to take something that I can control and toss it into the lap of the Gods for zero upside. Scum could have some way of fucking with the mechanic that they have been saving for this kinda scenario for all I knowSpyreX wrote:Its not my "whim" and there's absolutely a guarantee you numbnuts.There is no way to guarantee I get the diab, so Im not spunking my last vitae on your whim.
If you voted and used it regardless of what happens if town doesn't want to risk a lossregardless of the alignment of the person being lynched, then they have to vote you on the risk of losing even if you bus your partner.
Or, you are scum posturing.But, whatever I'm literally done when no one gives a shit even pretend-style. At this point there's too much stupid for it to be all scum posturing.
