Mini 1581--The Final Radiant Tales...(Fin)
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This is the first time you've brought it up during RVS.In post 54, KingdomAces wrote:I'm worried that I'm going to get tunneled on solely because of things that I do every game.
Just like I have been the last three or four games I've played. I could give you links if you really want them. But seriously, it happens every single game I play, and I'm sick of it.-
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I apparently am a double voter only on particular days, but I have no idea which days.In post 53, morph the cat wrote:Want to talk about what you're testing, or wait for the vote count?-
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double voter is just one ability, not a full claim or role? this is a bastard game, the game will be whackIn post 83, KingdomAces wrote:Bert, why are you claiming after I explicitly said not to unless you had a specific reason?-
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There isn't a reason behind itIn post 93, KingdomAces wrote:I'm just annoyed at the reason behind it.
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VOTE: MirhawkIn post 113, Mirhawk wrote:But if you noticed some things worth talking about I'm all ears.
Nothing worth talking about?
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Mod's a lying troll.In post 130, Natirasha wrote:
Lynch it, hurry up.
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You're good enough such that I doubt I could catch you when you draw scum.In post 154, KingdomAces wrote:Bert is generally energetic no matter what, but I really don't see anything meaningful in his play so far either. So far the only topics he's talked about has been his role and me. Trying to figure out unknown vote mechanics when the mod is continually screwing up the VC kind of makes things weird, and I'm not entirely sure about where his trajectory on me is coming from.-
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thanks for slyly encouraging suspicion on me at the most basic level! I do admit that having ETL locked in on a townread on me already definitely makes me suspicious as these townreads on me lack some kind of clarity about my play which I think is 'unknown' so far.In post 164, Mirhawk wrote:If bert plays a cheerful game as town, then he likely also plays a cheerful game as scum.
I think most of us have exhausted our early KA-read. This dialogue happens sometimes and it doesn't mean KA should be let off the hook.In post 172, Lying Scum wrote:I'm mostly inclined to believe it's not alignment-indicative.-
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I'd much prefer you not muddle other people's reads on you with your lack of confidence! Let loose and just play. I do agree that my play has been a high density of setup stuff, but I don't think I've been thaaaaaaaaaat fluffyIn post 154, KingdomAces wrote:So far the only topics he's talked about has been his role and me.
I don't think KA's play is dishonest at all so far, although I would appreciate if he narrowed down a list of scumspects now!
"I'm scum, plz lynch me next?"In post 144, snscompt1 wrote:Im caring yet sarcastic. What can I say.
very innocent, sellIn post 139, gameplay506 wrote:Also what happened with Nati's vote count? What was the big problem with it? Mind somebody explaining because I actually didn't understand what happened.
- this player is too tired to read further. You haven't done well producing reactions when asked questions. This post seems kind of unsettled. Who do you suspect and why?In post 87, gameplay506 wrote:-I like it how Oversoul is making some sweet jumps from one wagon to another.
-Kingdom seems a little bit too worried about the wagon on him.
-Bert's claim was interesting. Gonna keep an eye there.
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In post 177, Lying Scum wrote:
I think he has a good chance of being scum. Where do you stand on it?In post 174, Bert wrote:I think most of us have exhausted our early KA-read. This dialogue happens sometimes and it doesn't mean KA should be let off the hook.
ETLIn post 157, Bert wrote:You're [KA] good enough such that I doubt I could catch you when you draw scum.-
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your mercurial opinion that I can perfect my "competent" scumgame to where tone is irrelevant seems peculiarIn post 160, Mirhawk wrote:What words have I put into your mouth? I'm pretty sure that I made a serious inquiry as to why you think scum bert would be incompetent enough as to not try and act like town bert.
On a sidenote, I will also say that ETL-ffery disputes/misinterpretations leave a sour taste in my mouth, but I don't see either coming from a scum-mindset at all...
ZZZX, your post and cover-up, it was how you didn't brush it off (making a wrong post), but instead visibly freaked out with "OMG <insert immediate reaction as if you have something to hide"-
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I questioned the quick townreads on myself:In post 233, Mirhawk wrote:That being said, In berts most recent post as he basically implies that he cant be scum because his scum game isn't this good. Which would be fine, except I think he was actually being serious.
In post 174, Bert wrote:I do admit that having ETL locked in on a townread on me already definitely makes me suspicious as these townreads on me lack some kind of clarity about my play which I think is 'unknown' so far.
This is the quote you are referring to. ^ Your posts seem to be for the purpose of "appearing town" with your questions, but without enforcing why you asked your questions in the first place. That doesn't stand you in good stead with the rest of town. Your posts have been reactions or unloaded questions, which so far doesn't seem useful in the long run.In post 200, Bert wrote:your mercurial opinion that I can perfect my "competent" scumgame to where tone is irrelevant seems peculiar
What makes me nervous is why you think I'm worthy of a vote for discussing my meta. I did not bring it up.-
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VOTE: snsIn post 170, snscompt1 wrote:I cleaaaaarly see that as a scum slip. Everyone should get back on that wagon.-
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VOTE: overly thingsIn post 134, Oversoul wrote:Why is no one bandwagoning?-
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As for voting trends and reasons, KA has yet to hang onto a scumread yet. Most towntells KA has spotted are easy straws to grasp at. It is troubling that KA has yet to give adequate (scum)reads. Also, notice that most of KA's conversation starters have lead to nowhere.
I'm convinced KA's early early entrance into this game was just decoration, and was pre-planned going into this game.
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Strangely you spent a chunk of time breaking the Ace Attorney game.In post 332, KingdomAces wrote:Bert, you are correct in saying that my entrance in the game was pre-planned, that's what I've been trying to say. Also, when is the last time you remember me ever having a scumread? That was the exact point I was trying to make by saying all of that in the first place. If you really need a scumread though, Mirhawk is the person I am currently most suspicious of, though Arsehole is working their way up
Bulba, I am wanting to participate in the game, but it turns out that now isn't exactly the best time for this game to have happened, so I'm having trouble participating in general.
Arsehole, this is a Nati game. One of Nati's main goals when designing games is making sure that it can't be broken by a flavor claim, so at this point in time claiming has a higher chance of helping the scum than helping town. Also the flavor for this game is various JRPG's, with the title of the game being a reference to six different games/series.-
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It broke the game, regardless of outcome.In post 338, KingdomAces wrote:And I failed, so I don't see your point.-
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My readings that require no afterthought, rather they are spewed.
I think KA is scum. I think gameplay is lean-scum. I think ETL *might* be scum.
I think Lady Ffery is town. Mirhawk might actually be town. Who knows about IA.
Oversoul is null. Rubicon is null. Bulba *seems* town. That's all I have for now. A lot of other mehs (read: Varsoon, ZZZX (pointless slip that seems unrelated to this game)) that aren't really worth talking about.
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you need more glances, i dont understand why you are legitimizing KA's play as townIn post 369, Lying Scum wrote:is laike you dont evenradngin the thread....-
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I feel your sense of general resignation when you say this each time. so cute but transparent!In post 391, Mirhawk wrote:Oh and Bert's scum.
there was no analysis to broach, babyIn post 391, Mirhawk wrote:He seems pretty calm and logical,which is why I have trouble imagining that he was unable to discern the reason I was questioning him on his bert read.-
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You lie like a rug as scum too, don't give them that!In post 388, Lying Scum wrote:Nice try, but Cabd is fully confident in his ability to beat town-me with a red role PM-
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Oh, dominance. That must be why ETL is so willing to flip a coin about whether to lynch you because you're so dominant as scum.In post 385, morph the cat wrote:
No offense to that community, but morph is more of a BDSM dom.In post 384, Bert wrote:Nice save, furry.
I have three more games of experience with KA than you do, and happen to have played in his last 3 games on this site, spanning almost a year now. I see patterns that support the idea KA is scum.In post 401, Mirhawk wrote:Do you think he's actually looking for scum? I don't.
He's shooting for Aces because it takes very little work to justify and he likely won't be called on it.
He also should have followed his points on me with a vote. Instead he placed another joke vote.
I could have voted you, but my brain is focused on who should be lynched. If I was sold on you as scum, I would have voted you and come forward with that.-
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FINAGLE A BAGEL. YOU'VE BEEN SERVED.In post 402, Lying Scum wrote:SAY MY NAME, VARLET-
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In post 207, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:What exactly is there to talk about?I have alts. End of story. However, I think you are just insulted that I called you lynch bait, which actually makes me feel better about you. I think scum would be more likely to take the lynch bait title and roll with it, than to fight it.
This doesn't make me feel better about you making stuff up considering no one has pushed or even mentioned me at all so far.
Again, I have not made anything up. You need to stop saying that like it's a fact. You think it sounds fake, ok, then that's what you think. That doesn't mean it actually is. And I don't think you get what I meant at all.
If I think X is an easy mark, I'm going to be looking for the people who are opportunistically going for an easy lynch. It helps me sort other people, and sharing my insight might help others sort other people as well.Does that mean that X is already being pushed? No.... I never said it did and the statement isn't dependent on that in any way.
ETL
Address these please, Rubicon. And yes, that includes both your jester comment and now your assertion that I'm an SK (lol).In post 205, Lying Scum wrote:It seems to me like you are really trying to poke holes in my reads only because I'm not sure about you yet. The defensiveness at this point, especially with a null read, is a little overblown if you ask me.
You didn't even bother to ask me for any additional details, or press me for more reasoning. If you thought it was fake, this would seem the logical action to follow, but instead you just tried to discredit the entire thing. Why?
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There is no super scent of you reading into things 'not' literally, as evidenced by this question. My vote on Oversoul was a snarky response to his plead for a bandwagon.In post 406, Mirhawk wrote:You mean Oversoul right? because that's who you voted.
I place my votes for my own reasons, and right now it goes to Rubicon for his scummy half-catch-up posts and how little connection his reads seem to have with the gamestate. His phrasing against ETL was strange, and he's glossing over our points addressed to him.-
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Oh, lol, now you bail when asked to actually say plainly why you think I'm an SK. *shakes head*In post 428, Rubicon wrote:I'll explain why I see you as an SK later and after I finish reading, but for now, your counter-vote on me makes me feel damn good about the world.
The only reasons I can think of as to why you if town might think I'm an SK are:
(1) Eagerness to claim suggests not being scared of a NK. I'm actually not scared to claim since I'm not a super special special. Weaker roles = me not afraid to dare scum to NK me. If I were something really powerful, like a cop or something, I wouldn't claim like this, no.
Why does my counter-vote on you make you feel so good? If you're thinking I'm an SK, that means you think I'm scumhunting, so what's bad about my vote on you?
(2) something about my flavor?
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My double vote doesn't work today. You *are* trying to outguess him, and I can do more than "double vote." I can also talk to the dead every night - can pick a different one each night. Bulba was right about the"guardian spirit" ability - which is what the double vote is. Like I said, unless I have some sort of investigative/protective power in such a bastard/themed game, then I always dare scum to NK me. I have absolutely nothing to hide.In post 436, Rubicon wrote:I'm considering you a possible SK because I played a Natirasha-reviewed game on another site a few months ago where the SK had a double-voter power. This being a pure Natirasha setup, I'm not going to try to outguess him about whether the power is SK here, but I do know that he considers it a reasonable SK power, and your reaction here is weird.
I hope fuming isn't related to this game.In post 437, KingdomAces wrote:Okay nevermind, too busy fuming to actually say anything reasonable right now.
I am definitely thinking that Bert is doing too much joking around right now, and I'm going to have to go through the games I've played with him before on this, but I think that's something he does more as scum than as town.
While it's no longer relevant, my only scum games with you are Dark Age of the Law and serrapaladin's Mini 1462 where I provided next-to-zero meaningful discussion/content. Dark Age, I was in a hydra where Nacho could carry, and 1462 was a year ago. Where have I been joking a lot in this game? I keep it light in parts, and in some parts serious. This is not a self-meta defense, this is saying that you are way off-base and are adding onto my suspicion that you're scum. I can't see how you as town would draw such conclusions.
Also, is your vote on ETL because she was town in Serra's game when I was scum, and thus in your opinion should be scumreading me?
VOTE: KingdomAces
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ETA: tl;dr the way you came about to a semi-read on me - I can't see any town motivation - "joking more than I vaguely remember (when I've been mostly serious)" instead of commenting on my actual play.
Know better about me as scum?In post 438, KingdomAces wrote:Wait, Guyett was on the scumteam for Dark Age of the Law. He REALLY should know better than this.
VOTE: Interdimensional Arsehole
In post 437, KingdomAces wrote:I am definitely thinking that Bert is doing too much joking around right now, and I'm going to have to go through the games I've played with him before on this, but I think that's something he does more as scum than as town.
Wait a minute! Look at the time stamps. In SIX minutes, you went from "I need to double check, but Bert might be scum" to "woah Guyett was in Dark Age and knows better about Bert than this." How do you arrive at such a swift conclusion without some type of confirmation bias?In post 438, KingdomAces wrote:Wait, Guyett was on the scumteam for Dark Age of the Law. He REALLY should know better than this.
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OK, I just checked AA and I incorrectly recalled that you started breaking the game with the flavor/role full claims. However,In post 435, KingdomAces wrote:SHUT UP ABOUT FLAVOR CLAIMS ALREADY!
Scum do have believable fakeclaims, or else the game wouldn't have gotten past the review phase, and scum should have no problems locking into something. Heck, in Dark Age of the Law, the scum fakeclaims were the exact same flavor that their actual role was in the first place. At the very least, flavor claims WILL cause scum to start narrowing down PRs, and will do absolutely nothing for town.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p5503553
I notice how much more tactfully you disagreed with those that wanted to massclaim, e.g.,"And no to the flavor claim. Something tells me that all it will end up doing is outing the PR's. Just look at the flips so far: PhoenixPR and Lotta/Oldbag VT's. If we are doing a flavor claim, then we might as well fullclaim, since we might as well be giving the same information to the scum. Now is also way too early for a fullclaim."
" whereas here you seem *extremely* jumpy/paranoid whenever we suggest flavor claims. Notice post #1148 in that game as well, where it's"I don't understand Edgeworth being a hider flavorwise. Also mod WIFOM, but I don't think that both Marquis and Kalimar would be town, because that would mean that all of the non-Manfred prosecutors would be in the game and town, which doesn't seem right to me. There seems to be far too many PR's at present, and a large portion of them are confirmable in one way or another. Because of that, I think we should be focusing on the non-Mac VTs for today. That leaves just geists/Kalimar/Slimer, though myself should probably also be included in that list for everyone else also."-
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Nat gave fakeclaims in past games, I believe.In post 458, Interdimensional Arsehole wrote:AS I have mentioned earlier, this locks scum into a position, and forces them to come up with a fakeclaim that fits the nameclaim. also, other benefits. I don't understand the enormous resistance I'm getting here for this
My claim was careless, but too late now.
IA might be super aggressive shos/Guyett scum, too tired to think about this especially on mobile.
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I'm going to regret this post tomorrow.
IA is either super powerful PR trying to avoid NK by being super scummy, or is scum. That would explain all the rolefish tactics this far
I expect a "Bert's rolefishing and scum"
I believe Rubicon is more likely scum than mirhawk. KA's last post was much better sounding, but not alignment indicative.-
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Bert Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
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- Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
- Posts: 10720
- Joined: April 23, 2012
for theory discussion, ffery?
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Bert Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
- Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
- Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
- Posts: 10720
- Joined: April 23, 2012
I don't play any games, lol.In post 480, Oversoul wrote:I have literally no familiarity with the apparent flavor this game. I actually lucked out playing the game my character was from but yeah.
That's a false scumtell IMO. If I told you how many times I've heard scum go "I'm bored" and prod-dodge, I'd be a very rich guy. You seem reluctant (to post) here, which is scummy.In post 482, gameplay506 wrote:Ugh I am so bored and I don't know shit about this game :@@@@@@@@@@@
VOTE: Bulbazak because I didn't actually like his read on Bert and especially the reasoning for it.
well, he misinterpreted my vote on overly things as a serious vote, so....In post 481, Interdimensional Arsehole wrote:I honestly can't believe you thought that was a real claim. why the fuck would I do such a thing. that was a sarcastic effort, ya know, after I've been screaming POWER MADNESS, it shoulda been obvious. you take the mini hole I made in the ground and poked it with a stick, and you were the only true scumread earlier, I'll gladly OMGUS you
Seems on this site, fishing on this site is supposed to help scum, that seems to be the up-to-date perspective. MY BAD!