And since Im town this game, you need to off me quick.
VOTE: Salamence20
Don't worry Boo old buddy.In post 23, tn5421 wrote:Why is there a serious vote on page one? Are you perhaps trying to imply this isn't an OMGUS in relation to 15?
Im fucking hurt.In post 40, RedCoyote wrote:But it's page 2. Why would you not be fighting for what you thought (and still think, presumably) was the better wagon? Why would you be so submissive to Sal of all people?
Jake from State Farm wrote:vote: sal
Ah hahaha. I have been waiting for that. Oh Jake, I have missed you. I hope life has been treating you well.Jake from State Farm wrote:@tn - Sal isn't lynchbait. He's a very manipulative person who knows how to gambit as scum to get town read.
Ask Jake how he feels about this. He will tell you otherwise. Always lynch the Miller D1. Always.Is this a serious question? Miller would be a terrible day one claim.
Ask Jake how he feels about this. He will tell you that it doesn't matter, Miller will die when the words come out of his mouth.Why would it not be a serious question based on your actions? And miller would be a terrible claim for who? I recall there was a time where the accepted play for a miller was to claim in the first post; is this no longer true?
Ask Jake how he feels about this. He will tell you that Millers are a necessary mislynch.I am not very familiar with millers so I wouldn't know what the accepted play is, but it seems to me that claiming miller is pretty much a guaranteed mislynch as town generally can't take the chance that you're scum fakeclaiming, whereas if you keep it to yourself it might never come up basically making you a VT with a bit of a disadvantage. It comes to being either a guaranteed mislynch or a possible one.
As for why I asked if it was a serious question. If I had thought Sal was scum I would have voted him, I did not so I didn't.
So instead you made TWO joke posts implying Sal was scum with no indication that they were jokes?
Bullshit. Vote stays until TN does something even more scummier. This is called opportunistic. It is when scum say, oh he might be scum, but I don't feel like wagoning. Then later, gains towncred for not going on it. I don't buy this joke. I don't see the joking anywhere.They were a little deadpan I admit, but I think its still fairly obvious I wasn't making a serious accusation.
Actually the response was much earlier, but...In response to 53:
This is your second post defending Mirhawk by trying to discredit. Keep goingThis is how I saw it happen. Sal posts a page1 claim, mirhawk provides skepticism without voting, sal throws a 'serious' vote on mirhawk. Why? No idea.
From what I've seen of Salamence, he doesn't really care how scummy he looks. I'm a bit skeptical of the claim because of who is claiming it, rather than the claim itself.
This is your third post defending Mirhawk by trying to discredit. You're almost past Mirhawk.I read it as half-sarcastic half-serious. I recommend specifically pointing out sarcasm or jokes in the future.
So is this debate TownVTown, or SCUMVTOWN, and who is who?Sal is mislynch bait as-is, assuming he's town.
On the basis of what? The fact I burnt you as scum in our last encounter? That will not equate to a policy lynch. Also just because I had a decent scumgame in one game does not mean I am confirmed scum in every game we are in together.Jake wrote:We actually do have time for a policy lynch and I LOVE a good policy lynch actually.
First of all, it's not taunting (atleast I am not perceiving it as taunting). It was just a way to remind you of our last game. It was just a fun comment, not an excuse to piss you off.Jake wrote:The fact that you would even dare try and claim miller in a game with me in it looks like blatant taunting and i would not expect you as town to taunt me.
"Everyone has a town read on Sala so Sala is scum" You a hipster or what?Jake wrote:There would be no reason to taunt me but scum you totally would cause you think I won't be able to get you lynched (probably right since everyone is town reading you for your miller shit)
You do not think I am scum. You are attempting policy because 2 people deem me as town at the moment and that I "Taunted" you. Drop your personal vendetta.as for Mr. Hawk, I am not as suspicious of him as I am of tn. If I were to vote anyone else atm, Tn would get my vote but I honestly think you are scum so i'm sticking with my vote on you
Well you understood what I am saying still...Mirhawk wrote: Pretty sure you're using opportunistic wrong here.
Also I would be interested in YOUR opinions on millers, not Jakes.
You shouldn't use an ongoing game or even mention it as basis of a read in this game. Especially since I have not flipped.TN wrote:I have a somewhat negative opinion of sal based on a current game.
I don't remember asking who should we lynch. I just wanted the opinion of who is more scummy, since Boo feels TN > Mir, and HC feels Mir > TN. We have plenty of time, I don't see how this question equates to "We are only lynching these two today."Kthxbye wrote:Why are you asking this? Is our choice of lynch already narrowed down to these 2 players?
Go read the game.Tysker wrote: Why did you claim miller and then took it back afterwards?
Kthxbye wrote:ooooooooh!!! I is so excited! Can't wait!In post 88, Generic wrote:In post 87, Kthxbye wrote:Honestly, I like playing scum when my partners are active and don't get themselves caught D1. On the other hand, I really like playing town PR's as I tend to live a long time due to being scummy enough to not get NK'ed and towny enough to not be lynched. I'm not a fan of VT, but I do make some exceptions to that in themed games.In post 38, RedCoyote wrote:What alignment do you like playing as? Be honest, because I'm going to check your answer.
Why are you asking this? Is our choice of lynch already narrowed down to these 2 players?In post 67, Salamence20 wrote:Who is more scummy at this point? TN or Mir?
So many issues with this post, that explanation for your reaction to your role openly in the game... I don't know whether I bother to delve into the specifics this early in the game.
Stick a pin in it, I'm coming back to this one when I'm in a better mood.
While I don't like his response, he didn't softclaim anything. He said scum NK, followed by PR, then Vanilla.Generic wrote:Ok, let's start with the need you felt you had to fence sit because you had commited to a claim you loved the role and someone cleverly put you on the spot with it.
You knew your meta would flag up a love of scum roles, so sleeady you were on the back foot. Do you cobble together a convoluted answer that admits to such but then desperately tries to claw it back with comments that include a vague remark about sometimes living the theme, and hinting at a PR which you even then desperately try to cover over with the crap about vanilla roles.
So instead of a straight forward 'it was actually the flavour it was excited about' you clearly tried to dig yourself out of a hole.
vote kthxbye
Glad you were so excited about my response though, feel free to give a convoluted answer as to why about that too.
At this point, if I was MOD-CONFIRMED he would still ask this question.Jake from State Farm wrote:explain please, cause I don't see itIn post 43, RedCoyote wrote:Actually, you're playing rather town so far. Keep it up.
In post 2221, Salamence20 wrote:Policy day 1In post 2220, Jake from State Farm wrote:Sal maybe the only name i recognize as having played with.
Now, he (IMO) thinks I am joking based on what happened in our last encounter. I thought we were going to be good rivals and this would be a tough game.In post 2222, Jake from State Farm wrote:Yes you should be. Disney revenge
If Boo tunneled HC today, we would have nearly the same identical problem.
I don't see it as scummy compared to TN/MirIn post 119, RedCoyote wrote:Sal, what do you make of HC saying that he wasn't aware of the time between his questions and tn's response?
TN > MIR > HCSo, let's put another subject on the table... who is the biggest scum player here and why is it HC?
HC, are we Masons? Because I am starting to think we think too much alike.This is horrible.
Speaking of horrible, I think everybody missed it because it's only one post and Jake from State Farm was acting all pissy for no reason
This seems to be a new trend of people claiming 'serious votes' or 'rvs is over' on page one.I'm inclined to take this player seriously based on previous experience with him.
From what I've seen of Salamence, he doesn't really care how scummy he looks.
My only experience with him is in an ongoing game.
Anyone see the common theme of these four posts, let's keep going.I have a somewhat negative opinion of sal based on a current game.
Bah Bah Black Sheep, are you a townie?In post 152, tn5421 wrote:I happen to agree.In post 99, Jake from State Farm wrote:How about lynch all liars. That's a great one and applies here.
VOTE: Salamence20
50% Policy on the fact I lied in RVSIt is 50% Lynch All Liars, 50% "Personal Attacks Aren't Okay".
It's not.In post 115, Salamence20 wrote:JAKE IF I REPLACED OUT WOULD MY REPLACEMENT BE SCUM TOO?
NO BECAUSE HE IS NOT ME?
JESUS CHRIST PLAY THE FUCKING GAME AND GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS. EVEN WITH A SCUMREAD ON ME THERE ARE OTHER THINGS TO DO THAN "OH SAL IS SCUM SCUM SCUM AND I REFUSE TO DO ANYTHING ELSE UNTIL HE IS LOLLYNCHED BECAUSE HE IS LYING AND SCUMMING AND MILLER"
SHUT THE FUCK UP
But you should have a problem with this, because as you see by your last post, you were perfectly fine sheeping Jake. But now Jake is gone and his replacement performed a 180 and voted you.In post 179, Kthxbye wrote:Thus is reason why NVs hop onto me is scummy. Why SG is hopping on is yet to be seen but Im not too worried due to her taking over Jakes slot.
I apologize for not seeing Mir in this group.In post 175, Squirrel Girl wrote:In post 170, Squirrel Girl wrote:I have Mir, Boo, and Red as moderate town reads of varying levels.
Bookitty is playing like the ordinary Bookitty I know and love. Null-Town for now, same for HC. Red is Null, as are you Mir, Tysker, and generic. Null-Scum are Kthxbai, and scum is TN.@Sal - what is your read on Bookitty? I'd love to get a read from you hat didn't involve a player that was directly interacting/attacking you already. You feel a little too tunnely for this stage of the game. Let's save the tunnels for the second half of Day 1, or for Day 3 when they're at least funny.
This is not defining who is town or scum. Let it go and save it til endgame. Hes not going to appologize and the mod isnt going to help you.In post 276, Generic wrote:So you consider it acceptable for someone to be called a retard and that not be retracted when the person points out his autism?
Good to know where your moral compass points mirhawk.
In post 353, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Vote: Natirasha
I don't care how busy you are. The fact you're refusing to commit to a wagon or read, even based on something small, tells me you have something to hide.
Let's get this over with. Can I get some friends on this wagon?
You have been scummy the moment you decided not to vote me for claiming miller. You haven't done anything to change my mind of that.Mirhawk wrote:@Sal
Do you find me scummy for my interactions with Boo, or are you still on about that miller jazz.
1. D1 is to early to claim a PR just to have it CC'ed. Maybe he needed to live a few more days to take a look at powers, then decide on one. (Ofcourse, this is saying that we didn't bring this up to attention).I'm doing that so you really understand how much my attitude here is changing. Look, I'll agree with you on the following;
Breadcrumbing flavor as a VT is silly and means nothing and it's silly that Kthx did it and thinks it means something (like, he could be scum and have that flavor role - and nothing would be weird about that).
Claiming at L-2 is kind of silly too. I don't get the point.
However;
1. If he was planning to set up a fake PR claim...why did he not claim a PR.
2. I do not see how an early VT claim is a particularly scummy move. It's a silly town move, and it's a silly scum move, and I'm not sure why it would save his life if he was scum. Frankly, if you hadn't have been pushing him this way I'd still be all about lynching him right now.
Can you address the above please and thank you?
Same thing goes to you: Does that make me scum and ktb town? If so, your vote should be on me. If you had other reasons to state that ktb is scum, why does it matter that I am pushing him on a different case than yours. It shouldn't matter if we have the same opinion of scumKTB.My Boo wrote:I don't like Sala's post in which he votes kthxbye. But as I said, I'm very unsure of my ability to read Sala or predict what he would do.
I don't how my being scummy equates to world domination.My Boo wrote:Thank you. I was puzzling over that for ages. At one point I thought Nati was saying that Sala was so scummy he'd destroyed the world.
I'm confused, also I think you contradicted your self (or scumslipped, as you put it). Wouldn't you rather lynch "Confscum because he slipped" Sala, or "SCUMSCUMSCUM COASTING" NV?KTB wrote:It's pretty obvious you are faking town when you don't even give a flip about questions you ask and that get ignored.
I'm good with lynching scum-Sal or scum-NV today.
I have a greater feeling of NV's scumminess now after his latest coasting posts.
EXACTLYRed wrote:Huh, I've never heard of crumbing a VT role before, I don't think. How peculiuar.
I'd argue that his play started "town sounding" after people wagoned him. More scum than town play, no?Red wrote:In other news, Kthx's name claim/crumbing does nothing for me except say that he's now made himself objectively the best lynch today. I don't have a particularly strong town or scum read on him, but I know he's not me and I know he won't flip as a PR and I know getting another claim might lead to a PR being outted.
His 315 is pretty town sounding though, especially his summary of his wagon.
So what is your opinion on:Red wrote:I do not see the scum motiviation behind what Sal is doing. If anything, the scum would be more interested in prolonging the day and forcing another wagon to be built/claim to happen.
I guess I'm happy you brought up NY154 then.Red wrote:I'll keep an open mind, but I'm not disagreeing with Sal's overall direction, even if I disagree with his enthusiasm. I'm just trying to look at this as practically as possible.
So by saying this, how can you say KTB has a point when I "Slipped"? You are practically doing the same thing. Also, am I null now or what?Red wrote:HC has successfully lurked himself to safety, and I'm not going to be able to effectively push that case over the next few days. I will ride the NV wagon with Kthx despite some of the things I said above. Kthx is undoubtedly our best objective lynch right now, but I am willing to throw caution to the wind on either NV or HC. If I can't get either of these, then I will strongly support the Kthx wagon over anyone else. SG, Mirhawk and Generic are my mind townreads for now. Boo is a not-too-distant fourth.
Perferred Lynches in order as of today:SG wrote:@Sal - I feel like you're disconnected right now. Are you or are you not pushing for Kthx to be lynched? Because you're losing me and apparently don't even care
Oh fuck this.SG wrote:@Lady Lambdadelta - I can has friends?
Vote: Natirasha
Oh fuck this.TN wrote:I am here, I'm just not good with walls. For some reason, when I make or respond to walls I always get scumread (regardless of what role pm I get), so you'll have to forgive me if I don't wall right back.
Not my fault you decided to say nothing and cool your wagon (Like HC, but HC has reasons that I will explain later).TN wrote:Both kthx and salamence claim I'm their top scumread and yet neither of them are voting me. Both of them are acting rather shifty.
Good thing red brought up NY154. Also fuck you. Anti-Buddying.Sal subtly tried to buddy me in 320
Oh, feelings mutual. <3I could accept a compromise Natirasha if (s)he doesn't get more active, but I would prefer to see either Sal or Kthx's flip.
This is why I claim Boo town.I invite you or anyone to meta me. I post like this in every game I'm in. It's playstyle, and if you don't like it, too bad. Be glad I'm not posting quote walls yet.
Technically, his HC wagon is now a lurker case.SG wrote:Isn't your Not Voting case basically a lurker case? If it isn't, what's the case?
LLD wrote:Cry me a river and get over it, bitch.
THEN GIVE US FUCKING READS. And I mean more than RCtown and KTBtownAlso, I wouldn't be wasting my breath on bashing another player, if I were you. At least that player has been actively contributing and creating things I can use for reads. I can't say the same about you.
LLD is a very nasty player. I don't mean shitty or terrible, I mean she can get under people's skin and flame. She is very good at it, I heard.Boo wrote:I would ask LadyLambdaDelta to explain her comment about Mirhawk, but she only wants to talk to RC
RC, Generic makes a decent point here. kthxbye is still the top wagon. Why not vote him and bring new life to the wagon if he is your top scumread, rather than moving your vote to Not Voting, whom kthxbye is also voting?
Boo, what is your current read of me?I don't really want to vote kthx, though, because {Not Voting, TN, Salamence} are on that wagon now and since I have NV as a mild scum-read and TN as a medium one, I don't think kthx is that likely to flip scum.
Not up for a Sal lynch today.
This is the reason I was going to defend her.In post 85, Natirasha wrote:But Generic-chan, lurking through day ones is what I do best!
I could possibly defend this too. This was after the Jake/Miller battle, but now I see it as a softbuddy.
And this is why it is buddying. No comment of KTB, no comment on RC/BOO/MIR/TN. Nothing Ugh.In post 335, Natirasha wrote:Life's been busy. That's about all I have to say to that.
Although I also don't see any world thanks to the vindictiveness that Salamence has put forth where he is anything but town-aligned I guess.
I'm sure this is the same reasoning that TN has for me being scum, only difference is that their game is finished.VOTE: Squirrel Girl
Now I'm feeling spiteful.
Not sure who is GIF, or why it matters. Also why does it matter that you have a personal hate on KTB/LLD? If they are scum, you vote them. If they are town, you say it, rather than I'm not talking about them because I hate them.In my two last games with Kthxbai, one included him raging at GIF and the other included him and zmuffin getting into huge shitfits. The main point between all three is that I have no respect for ktb as a player and as such rescind to comment at this time/willing to lynch for betterment of the playerlist.
I know this is a nonanswer.
I'm feeling slightly motivated to talk if someone is online right now.
PEDIT: To clarify, I'm spiteful at Ms. Delta, but I think Squirrel Girl is scum based on the really lazy jump onto my wagon.
DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE.But that's besides the point.
To LLD, I'm not going to do an iso case thing. I've never done it before and never will probably. In fact, if you think I've read -or am interested- in reading the game, lol. I find it unnecessary to the gamestate right now. We've had a lot of big arguments and they're mostly just emotional smokescreen and thus not worth my time.
Why HC? Why Generic? Why RC? You already buddied me to hell, so why those three?I think Haschel, Generic, Salamence and RedCayote are town.
What the fuck? So if they are someone's alt they are scum, but if they are not, they are town. Ok. yeah. Obviously you have a personal vendetta with him as well, because that's the only reason I could see of you bringing this up. Also Alts aren't supposed to be revealed so why bother when you aren't getting a confirmation.Not Voting I need confirmed whether they are or are not a Who alt before passing judgment.
Are you fucking kidding me. Give me reads BASED ON EVENTS IN THIS FUCKING GAME.I will also say that my Squirrel vote is no exact hard push and really shouldn't be taken as a hard scum read. I've had trouble with her in the past--famously in Faith+1 where she successfully screwed with muffin and I--but the vote on me was poorly timed as to come off scummy.
Meta WIFOM later on. Ok. /sarcasm.
It doesn't mean anything really. I just don't feel like discussing Not Voting right now and I feel that that information will be relevant at some point.
Actually they do. Since you cant determine emotion.In post 415, Natirasha wrote:Now, now, Salamence, don't get caught in the words.
As I just said, the words aren't important.
In this text-based game we all play.
Wassup, Haschel? It's been a while.
WTF is this?In post 430, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:What makes you think I'm nice?
I mean sure, outside of the game, I'm your friend, but this is mafia. I leave my kindness and heart at the door.
So yes, you need a fucking million bullets to pierce your useless body.
AndIn post 421, Natirasha wrote:This vote is mostly because I trust Haschel quite a bit right now. I need Generic-chan to come in here and shackle me right now.
Natirasha wrote:<3
Haschel and I are now masons.
Discuss.
Ah, so Grey does talk about me.In post 440, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:It's called honesty and how to play this game.In post 436, Salamence20 wrote:WTF is this?In post 430, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:What makes you think I'm nice?
I mean sure, outside of the game, I'm your friend, but this is mafia. I leave my kindness and heart at the door.
So yes, you need a fucking million bullets to pierce your useless body.
I understand if a player of your caliber can't understand.
Oh Boo. Youre not scum for mass voting. Infact in my opinion it makes you more town. Its not opportunism atleast.My Boo wrote:I wasn't tracking my vote changes, nor do I care how many I've had. If we're going to reach a consensus, we have to pick someone we all think is scummy. As I said, I'm in a mood, so at the moment I don't care if that's me. I have a tendency to tunnel, I know it, and I'm trying to do better about it. I'm not particularly concerned about what anyone thinks about me; I'm concerned with finding scum and lynching them. I'm fairly sure Mirhawk isn't the only scum in the game. And I was on Mirhawk before Generic. I left to pressure Nati to contribute, with mixed results.
So yeah, I'm in a mood. But if you want to say I'm scummy for having vote changes, just say it. If you want to say I'm scummy for changing my vote from tn to mirhawk at the start of the game and now changing it back to another of my primary suspects, just say it. Don't hint around about it in this way. Push for my lynch. I'm straightforward with you; do me the same courtesy.
Nati has been buddying me all day and just now after HC does it, votes you. You're welcome.TN wrote:I don't even know whats going on.
Yeah this is a lazy claim but whatever. Im fine with your neck.In post 488, tn5421 wrote:I didn't claim because I didn't realize I was at L-1. Not that I should be claiming, but I'm dead before day 2 either way.
Claim:(flavor name)Town Doctor
In post 526, Natirasha wrote:Like he literally claims doc at l-1 then omguses me because we have like two useless fucks who are trying to lynch me for personality conflicts(looking at Sal & LLD).But I am a town read so is it really that bad? Or does useless fucks have nothing to do with alignment. Also you are not allowed to called people useless fucks until you prove to US that you are not a useless fuck.Moreover, Doctor is a bad role that is only good at keeping other roles alive--honestly, the removal of a scum nk is bad in many ways due to the lack of information it providesIt also gives us an innocent if there is a no kill, but fuck it, doc is useless town role..
To be fair, Generic, my two scumreads were kinda arbitrary--NV is relatively true, but I keep going back and forth on Squirrel Girl every post she makes. I much prefer at this stage in the game to get setup details and gather townreadsI don't disagree with this.
So anyways, lets go from that angle.
Salamence has been my biggest townread most of the game--he's been involved in all the emotional bullshitting all game, and I can't particularly fault his poor logic in voting. He clearly has a very...mechanical view of the game due to the specific cases of argumentation he is using, but in the very least it's all consistent in a way that makes sense from his worldview. Sal's wore his heart on his sleeve and is my strongest townreadI won't argue about me being a townread in your opinion. I'll argue the fact you don't have reads on the other people involved in the bullshit (Mirhawk, Kthx, SG).
Next would be you, but you said discount that so I will.
Third is actually Haschel--this is mostly a weird meta read, but Haschel has been absent for the greater part of the last year, and I was in both his last games. We were both scum in one and he was scum in the other, and, well, he's speaking along the same terms and thought processes I am this game while also not mimicking his games last year(which were a fair bit more staccato)Why aren't you buddying me anymore anyways?.
From there we go down the list into ????
Nah. Lets kill him.In post 565, Kthxbye wrote:So...force replace tn?