Mini 1580: EpicMafiaTime [GAME OVER]

[Natirasha]

I was told on teamliquid that it is correct play to claim vanilla townie in your first post.

I am claiming VT

VOTE: Vote: Natirasha

[Natirasha]

But Generic-chan, lurking through day ones is what I do best!

[Natirasha]

Lol Jake

I'm out right now Generic but I promise to actually do stuff today!

[Natirasha]

<3 Skullduggery

anyways reading now.

[Natirasha]

Jury's out on the newbie.

I like Salamence in a lot of ways.

[Natirasha]

HC is playing much differently than I remember for what it's worth.

[Natirasha]

PTAP

[Natirasha]

Life's been busy. That's about all I have to say to that.

Although I also don't see any world thanks to the vindictiveness that Salamence has put forth where he is anything but town-aligned I guess.

[Natirasha]

VOTE: Squirrel Girl

Now I'm feeling spiteful.

[Natirasha]

In my two last games with Kthxbai, one included him raging at GIF and the other included him and zmuffin getting into huge shitfits. The main point between all three is that I have no respect for ktb as a player and as such rescind to comment at this time/willing to lynch for betterment of the playerlist.

I know this is a nonanswer.

I'm feeling slightly motivated to talk if someone is online right now.

PEDIT: To clarify, I'm spiteful at Ms. Delta, but I think Squirrel Girl is scum based on the really lazy jump onto my wagon.

[Natirasha]

That is correct, Red Cayote.

[Natirasha]

People missing the point is that I typically have a slow start @_@

But that's besides the point.

To LLD, I'm not going to do an iso case thing. I've never done it before and never will probably. In fact, if you think I've read -or am interested- in reading the game, lol. I find it unnecessary to the gamestate right now. We've had a lot of big arguments and they're mostly just emotional smokescreen and thus not worth my time.

This push on me is really lazy, though.

I'm here now though. I actually have the rest of the day to not deal with people.

[Natirasha]

Let me phrase that another way.

I think Haschel, Generic, Salamence and RedCayote are town.

Not Voting I need confirmed whether they are or are not a Who alt before passing judgment.

I legitimately haven't read the 'cases' on anyone this game--with the personality mix this game, I'm relying much more on tone to read as opposed to text. From my examination, though, kthxbye has come off as legitimate. Generic-sama, for all his amazingness, has a tendency to...go off the deep end at time in tunneling, and ktb is just the same mix of player to respond in kind and generally not get anywhere.

[Natirasha]

I will also say that my Squirrel vote is no exact hard push and really shouldn't be taken as a hard scum read. I've had trouble with her in the past--famously in Faith+1 where she successfully screwed with muffin and I--but the vote on me was poorly timed as to come off scummy.

[Natirasha]

It doesn't mean anything really. I just don't feel like discussing Not Voting right now and I feel that that information will be relevant at some point.

[Natirasha]

Now, now, Salamence, don't get caught in the words.

As I just said, the words aren't important.

In this text-based game we all play.

Wassup, Haschel? It's been a while.

[Natirasha]

ARGUEMENTS ARE HOW YOU GET FUCKING READS. ARE YOU SHITTING ME? YOU ARE SAYING THAT SOME 408 POSTS ARE WORTHLESS PENIS-MEASURING CONTESTS. THIS ISN'T LURKING, THIS ISN'T EVEN TRYING, THIS IS DOWNRIGHT BULLSHIT PERSONAL VENDETTAS AND IGNORANCE THAT JAKE HAD EARLIER, BUT YOU PROBABLY DIDN'T EVEN READ THAT, RIGHT?

Arguments are a means to an end, I suppose. When I say 'I haven't read' it's rather facetious in a way. The specific words and cases are unimportant, but the intent--the belief--the feeling behind them is. You can determine emotion. Tonality exists in all forms of consumption. Feel free to disagree, but I simply don't play mafia in such a way. 'Cases', 'walls', long-form quotes, these are all just pixie dust strewn across a page. I'm not going to pretend that they can't be effective or that my way uses less pixie dust, but at least I'm up front about it.

It's the curse of the film student in a way.

The only thing that really matters and is analyzable are hard facts, and from a look at it: this wagon on me is patently awful. Is there a single in-game reason for it? Lurking, sure, why not. But lurking through day ones is my specialty. Parading around being sarcastic is my specialty. It's based sheerly on personality conflicts as opposed to, well, anything specific.

VOTE: tnNUMBERS

[Natirasha]

This vote is mostly because I trust Haschel quite a bit right now. I need Generic-chan to come in here and shackle me right now.

[Natirasha]

<3

Haschel and I are now masons.

Discuss.

[Natirasha]

Would date/10.

[Natirasha]

B-b-but what about meee?

[Natirasha]

Well, that wouldn't be nice, LLD!

[Natirasha]

But I'm squishy and made of meat! Who'd want to shoot me?

[Natirasha]

After all that effortposting I just did too!

[Natirasha]

Define to me in exact words what buddying is.

[Natirasha]

Yeah but you imply I have an ulterior motive? You could replace that with any player I think is nifty and get the same response.

[Natirasha]

Have you actually put thought into assessing me or going to keep seeing red? It's kinda trite at this point.

[Natirasha]

But think about what I could provide in the future!

[Natirasha]

Once again, voting people for personality traits is not how mafia is done.

[Natirasha]

KILL IT

[Natirasha]

I don't know what you think I can do. But I was going to pick your brain on the metas of people you know in this game.

I'm glad to talk to you--atm busy with post-birthday activities--but if we can both be active around the same time period I'm pretty sure it might be beneficial.

Actually, as a side note, please clear something up for me. Are you make or female? I call you a 'he' whenever I refer to you bu I keep seeing 'she' being used now. Who's right?

Both are correct in their own way. The 'correct' answer is she, but I deliberately don't clarify that on my profile so w/e.

Give me two names, two people who are pinging the scumdar the most.

Not Voting as of his latest post

@Kthx - You push me about following up on Mirhawk. I did look through and found where he said what his issue with my FP was.

@RC - Are you kidding me? Your post #349 was downright terribad. You don't want to vote other people because it might push out PR claims? Are you seriously saying that you don't want town to have as much information as possible? And your defense about your feelings is crap. You have feelings so you vote me over Kthx who is, in your own words, the best lynch choice for the day. You're out on V/LA right now, but I expect you to answer when you get back.

@Nati - You come and point out how you lurk D1 and then immediately start playing, starting with an OMGUS. Also, WTF is a WHO alt?

Boo and HC are my top town reads, followed by SG. Top 3 scum are Kthx, TN, and add RC to that list after these last couple pages.

This is just a really, well, hollow post. Probably legitimately squirrel girl net due to her voting patterns.

[Natirasha]

Wait are we really letting an L-1 doctor claim skirt by? Doctor is a shitty role anyway.

[Natirasha]

My vote is not leaving tn btw.

[Natirasha]

Like he literally claims doc at l-1 then omguses me because we have like two useless fucks who are trying to lynch me for personality conflicts(looking at Sal & LLD). Moreover, Doctor is a bad role that is only good at keeping other roles alive--honestly, the removal of a scum nk is bad in many ways due to the lack of information it provides.

To be fair, Generic, my two scumreads were kinda arbitrary--NV is relatively true, but I keep going back and forth on Squirrel Girl every post she makes. I much prefer at this stage in the game to get setup details and gather townreads.

So anyways, lets go from that angle.

Salamence has been my biggest townread most of the game--he's been involved in all the emotional bullshitting all game, and I can't particularly fault his poor logic in voting. He clearly has a very...mechanical view of the game due to the specific cases of argumentation he is using, but in the very least it's all consistent in a way that makes sense from his worldview. Sal's wore his heart on his sleeve and is my strongest townread.

Next would be you, but you said discount that so I will.

Third is actually Haschel--this is mostly a weird meta read, but Haschel has been absent for the greater part of the last year, and I was in both his last games. We were both scum in one and he was scum in the other, and, well, he's speaking along the same terms and thought processes I am this game while also not mimicking his games last year(which were a fair bit more staccato).

From there we go down the list into ????

[Natirasha]

da da dadadada da da

bum buduhbum bum

the wheel of terror continues!

I'm sorry, the useless fucks comment was out-of-line.

[Natirasha]

It also gives us an innocent if there is a no kill, but fuck it, doc is useless town role.

Doctor is known=lightning rod kill target. That's ignoring potential gambity stuff too, meh.

I won't argue about me being a townread in your opinion. I'll argue the fact you don't have reads on the other people involved in the bullshit (Mirhawk, Kthx, SG)

.

This is more an issue with personalities than anything--Jake & you & Generic had more presence than them. I can't really explain it, but I'll come back to them.

Why aren't you buddying me anymore anyways?

.

I'm not buddying. I post thoughts and gut-calls in the moment, don't you see. 'Buddying' as a term is rather silly.

[Natirasha]

V/LA til Monday

[Natirasha]

I'm back, although also playing Shadowrun so in and out of conciousness.

kthxbai wagon is fine by me.

[Natirasha]

VOTE: Kthxbai

[Natirasha]

Well here we are again. I just attempted to lead a lynch on the doc.

Oh well.

VOTE: LadyLambdadelta

[Natirasha]

I voted LLD because I looked at the player and thought 'who is most out of character for the moment?' and LLD seemed to be the one who was.

[Natirasha]

I mean, if she's town, I'll take full blame for this mislynch.

[Natirasha]

Pretty sure I've seen it before, but it's such a cornercase scenario.

I don't think scum would push for a reveal so hard though.

[Natirasha]

Ok so the LLD wagon is pretty bad, and if she delivers on the promise of content after the weekend then I will be able to make a judgement call on her one way or he other finally.

But I i wonder if there was an element of opportunism here, and I will have a look at those who are on the wagon as my start point tonight.


OT:
Bookitty, thankyou for the kind words, much appreciated.

Nats at first looked like she was applying pressure on someone who had yet to contribute, but I find the excuse given for the vote a poor one.
Considering I had high hopes for your day 2 nats I find the excuse to be rather lacking. It's vague and also seemingly opportunistic given LLD was quite candid with her issues leading to her lack of content. Yes passengers cannot be accepted long term (hence my efforts now and when I can in the future) but the morning few had barely settled in day 2 and you were voting for out if character behaviour?

You haven't suddenly become a suspect given I had a decent town read on you based on a detailed analysis... But this has left me paranoid.

More to come...

Generic, I really don't get the hatred for the LLD wagon.

Really, the reasons don't matter for my vote. It was less to do with any of that than feeling right(as d3x says--no way that slot isn't town btw). See, here's how I chose LLD.

(1) Looked at player list.
(2) Removed people I thought were town
(3) picked who I thought felt most right as to scum

Moreover, I'm confused as to how I'm not playing normally--you should know what makes me tick(roles & setup breaking) and, well, none of that has happened this game. I'm doing my best and I find it's working sorta.

[Natirasha]

I mean I do have a pretty clear history of hard bussing partners.

But, no, I wouldn't sow the vitriol I did with my scumbuddy day one like that.

[Natirasha]

Haschel! (((

[Natirasha]

I'm pretty sure Mirhawk and I, in addition to Not Voting and d3x, are town.

[Natirasha]

Go reread LLD's posts if you want why Mirhawk is town.

[Natirasha]

p sure the setup is doc/watcher/masons v roleblocker/goon/goon

[Natirasha]

(0) RedCoyote

(0) d3x
(0) Not Voting

(0) Bookitty

(0) Squirrel Girl

(0) Mirhawk

(0) Generic
(0) Salamence20

(0) Natirasha

VOTE: Squirrel Girl

[Natirasha]

I think she was legitimately waylayed by life, actually. Then we'd already pinned her down day two before she could do anything.

[Natirasha]

Fuck me, how is RedCoyote the most coherent person in this game?

RC, you know I'm not the hugest fan of your play yeah? But you're so bleedingly obviously town here, and you're the only person I can stand to bounce ideas off of.

I'll trade you. Sell me on Kthnxbye being scum, and I'll show you why Mirhawk is shady as shit.

Alright so I'm going to be busy Saturday and Sunday, but I should be able to get something done on Sunday night or monday. I have some things I want to say about Mirhawk, this flash wagon, and Nati.

Sorry about that RC. I really wanted to show you what I see with Mirhawk and I just crashed. Stuff is coming soon. Promise.

I just don't see these really being scumbuddy interactions. Actually, on reread, I agree with RC-town, too.

[Natirasha]

Pretty much every team I come up with is Squirrel Girl-scum though.

Roleblocker would be the presumed reason d3x is alive.

[Natirasha]

I bet Generic is thinking 'damn this isn't the Nati I'm used to'.

[Natirasha]

What are you confused about? I'm confused on what you're confused about.

[Natirasha]

...

[Natirasha]

...I don't know why you'd ever self-watch...

But alright, no roleblocker. Congrats.

Does that actually change anything I said?

[Natirasha]

Boo's hypothetical situations don't take into account that scum might not kill NV, or that if NV is scum this allows him to get away with that claim without even linking himself to another player. I don't see scum doing us a favor and shooting NV so we know there's another confirmed townie somewhere.

Also Sal are you still riding me over that miller bullshit. I was willing to tolerate this day one seeing as how it was a part of your gambit, but if you still think that's a good reason for voting for me then you're a moron. I can already see you waving you hands saying "It's not my fault he flipped town, I thought he was scum since day one."
If you have a real reason for voting me throw it on out, but I'm tired of you hiding behind this insipid miller excuse.

I like Nati's line on LL. She's lurking like a champ and she dropped that case on me like it didn't exist yesterday when RC didn't bite on it.

Vote: LL

Oh and Boo's still scum.

It's less to do with MIrhawk's lines and more to do with the interactions with LLD. I just don't see these as scum-scum interactions.

[Natirasha]

Vote: Generic

I'm kind of here.

The epitome of panicvoting.

[Natirasha]

Why Mirhawk, seriously? He's fine.

[Natirasha]

Like Generic, of all people as a target? Gen's pretty town as it stands.

[Natirasha]

I guess so, since I'm not even the biggest wagon, I didn't even realize how horrified I was

Let me rephrase, I think you're running out of targets to POE. And of Generic/Sala/Me, Gen's the easiest. Mirhawk's a pocket mislynch or something.

[Natirasha]

Join the Squirrel Girl wagon!

[Natirasha]

Anyways, I want you to know that this is pretty much one hundred percent your fault sal. Keep that in mind.

I agree with this btw.

Sal, you should sheep me.

[Natirasha]

Generic vote Squirrel Girl.

[Natirasha]

Mirhawk vote Squirrel Girl.

[Natirasha]

wtf Generic.

[Natirasha]

Generic will you sheep me tomorrow if he flips town? Because otherwise POE will mean you're scum, sorry.

[Natirasha]

Yeah I think you're town for the moment too, but there are only so many unknown slots left.

[Natirasha]

Like RC/Sala/SG/you is the pool.

[Natirasha]

Which really just means the team is SG/RC

Oh wait Bookitty's likely scum too soooo.

[Natirasha]

Yeah p much i think it's Bookitty/Squirrel Girl.

[Natirasha]

d3x, should probably watch me tonight. Or NV. One of the two.

[Natirasha]

VOTE: Squirrel Girl

[Natirasha]

Salamence, Generic should sheep me for being so WRONG yesterday.

[Natirasha]

Can I appeal to meta, here? Part of the reason I trust Generic to be town here is because I've played with him in like ten games over two separate sites. He's a crafty scumguy, but he isn't scum here. He doesn't let things get to him or otherwise use emotional reasoning as scum.

For the record, I'm not voting either you or Generic anytime before Bookitty/RC/SG are all dead.

[Natirasha]

Wait, so we have a semi confirmed townie and we're trying to discredit me now? I don't see how that could help us.

Quoting RC-Salamence team for posterity here.

[Natirasha]

Dude if you think my vote is moving today, you're deluded, Sala.

[Natirasha]

@Nati: You wanted to lynch the doctor after the claim. You also flip-flopped on Kthx and pointed to tone reads. Can you explain your thinking on the doc-lynch (is this an accepted meta, now?) and on your evolving read on kthx?

I think I thought two iotas on kthxbai.

As to the doc read, as a rule, I've seen enough scum claim doc at L-1 now that I don't trust it. Especially because tn was beng actualy scummy beforehand.

[Natirasha]

SG
Sala
Nati
RC
Generic
Not Voting

Now, mind you, I've seen a lot of shit.

But this is legitimately what the fuck.

[Natirasha]

Nat, ain't no one but you considers Nat untouchable. LLD can and will bus without a second thought.

Yeah, and I do too. But that's not why you should think I'm town.

[Natirasha]

Generic, please.

What has Squirrel done at all this game? Salamence has taken stances and otherwise been a participant, if with differing views of this game.

Squirrel girl has done literally nothing.

[Natirasha]

Like fck it. I think you both are town and am going to stake the game on it.

[Natirasha]

My vote is not moving til she is dead.

[Natirasha]

Name one thing with unambiguous town motivation Squirrel Girl has done all game.

[Natirasha]

Both you and Generic have done what I would call scumhunting--youve taken stances, pushed cases that you thought were right, ignoring how it makes you look to the majority.

But look at Squirrel Girl. I can't think of a single thing that she's done to really endear her to the town. The most memorable shes done in my eyes is follow LLD onto my wagon day one, which is like nowhere.

Jake's replace out is more due to him being a whiny bitch than anything alignment indicative. Seriously, i can go cite like six games where Jake does the same thing. There is a reason I would argue 60% of the mods on the site have Jake blacklisted. Like, I was exagerating when u said that about kthxbai, but im serious with Jake.

[Natirasha]

I think its RedCayote right now actually.

[Natirasha]

I'll meet you in the middle on RC actually today.

[Natirasha]

Third person mentioned by LLD. General non presence. No huge manifesto moments I've come to regard of his towngame.

[Natirasha]

Also as I just said I've decided to bet the game on you and Generic being town which leaves a poe pool of Boo/RC/SG and Boo is most town of those.

[Natirasha]

Like the fact is if one of you are scum, the kills will make it obvious because the only way I live to endgame is if one of you are scum.

[Natirasha]

No, I'm talking in 3P lylo because were going to lynch scum today or tomorrow.

[Natirasha]

I'm disregarding any comments about my towniness because even if I'm not conftown, I'm so far away from the optimal lynch today or tomorrow that I don't have to worry.

[Natirasha]

What exactly do you question?

[Natirasha]

1. I'll have a scumflip to look at.
2. I'm not.
3. Nope, I vote with you and win.

[Natirasha]

I can only dream of the day when an LLD-Nat-Generic scumteam wipes the floor with some poor town.

[Natirasha]

Like the fact is if one of you are scum, the kills will make it obvious because the only way I live to endgame is if one of you are scum.

And

3. Nope, I vote with you and win.

Are completely different.

These are also two congruent statements.

[Natirasha]

Like the fact is if one of you are scum, the kills will make it obvious because the only way I live to endgame is if one of you are scum.

And

3. Nope, I vote with you and win.

Are completely different.

These are also two congruent statements.

[Natirasha]

Yes, and?

[Natirasha]

YOU GOTTA TURN YOUR LOGIC ROUND BRO

[Natirasha]

Not today.

[Natirasha]

Squirrel Girl is an alt, btw, Bookitty.

[Natirasha]

The question is

Do I risk it, for the biscuit?

[Natirasha]

I'm a survivor, duh.

I win no matter what here.

[Natirasha]

Yeah.

[Natirasha]

I'll let the teams deliberate on that for a while.

[Natirasha]

Hang on, I wanna have everyone check in.

[Natirasha]

Hey Bookitty, if I'm not a survivor.

Vote me.

[Natirasha]

*impatient*

[Natirasha]

Generic, to arms!

VOTE: Salamence

[Natirasha]

I decided I wanted Generic to win~

[Natirasha]

Oh? So it is you/Gen?

[Natirasha]

I want hammer for ceremonial reasons, but I'm down.

[Natirasha]

Sure.

[Natirasha]

VOTE: Salamence

I'm Poutine, Greasy Townie.

[Natirasha]

TOLD STATUS:
[ ] NOT TOLD
[ ] TOLD
[x] FUCKING TOLD
[x] CASH4TOLD.COM
[x] KNIGHTS OF THE TOLD REPUBLIC
[x] TOLDERONE
[x] STONE TOLD STEVE AUSTIN
[x] CURE FOR THE COMMON TOLD
[x] BEN TOLDS
[x] THE 40 YEAR TOLD VIRGIN
[x] 007: TOLDENEYE
[x] TEXAS TOLD’EM
[x] AUSTIN POWERS IN TOLDMEMBER
[x] PTERODACTOLD
[x] TOLDTINO’S PIZZA ROLLS
[x] NO COUNTRY FOR TOLD MEN
[x] 24 CARAT TOLD
[x] ONLY SHOOTING STARS BREAKTHE TOLD
[x] GOING ONCE… GOING TWICE… TOLD
[x] GARY TOLDMAN
[x] TOLD SPICE
[x] TOLD STONE CREAMERY
[x] BABY IT’S TOLD OUTSIDE
[x] POKEMON TOLD AND SILVER
[x] TOLD YELLER
[x] EL DORADO: THE LOST CITY OF TOLD
[x] TOLDPLAY
[x] THE TOLD AND THE BEAUTIFUL
[x] DANNY DEVITOLD
[x] TOLDEN SUN
[x] FOR WHOM THE BELL TOLDS
[x] CAN’T TEACH A TOLD DOG NEW TRICKS
[x] I AIN’T SAYIN SHE A TOLD DIGGER
[x] TOLDING CHAIR
[x] TOLDIER OF FORTUNE
[x] THE TOLDEN COMPASS
[x] TOLDEN AXE
[x] TOLD MACDONALD HAD A FARM
[x ROCKIN TO THE TOLDIES
[x] BATTLETOLDS
[x] YE TOLDE PUB
[x] TOLDEN CAULFIELD
[x] THE TOLD MAN AND THE SEA
[x] TOLD MEDAL WINNER AT THE OLYMPICS
[x] ALL OF THE ABOVE

[Natirasha]

You played a good game, Sal. I had to resort to trickery to get ya.

[Natirasha]

<3 you guys

[Natirasha]

During day three I noticed I was going to be in the position of being the swing vote, while not actually having the charisma or momentum to push who I needed to.

Thankfully, you gave me the right line of words yesterday to crumb successfully.

[Natirasha]

I was pretty sure it was Bookitty-Sala.

[Natirasha]

eh, fuck it, Sala, can you kill me and let RC figure it out tomorrow?

[Natirasha]

[Read: It's Bookitty, RedCayote.]

[Natirasha]

I thought Bookitty did a good job as scum in Bitmap's game.

[Natirasha]

Generic, it's not RC because Sal tried to push a lynch on him to win.

[Natirasha]

I agree the wifom here is insane.

[Natirasha]

I don't think Sal was pushing his scumbuddy simply because -on the chance I was a survivor- I would have voted with him and won. I don't discount the partner wifoming because I would have(and by proxy Sal would have) made sure, if I had it backfired, we didn't autolose.

[Natirasha]

Woo.

[Natirasha]

I thought Boo was scum legitimately, but part of that was wishful thinking and the thing Gen was saying about voting with Sal does sound like something he'd do if town, lol. I think if someone mentioned that Boo could have won at some point, I would have made the right call.

BUT THANKFULLY I DIED.

[Natirasha]

The last one that I can recall was MCMaraca claiming it in lylo during ParadoxPrime, but scum was already pretty much confirmed so it was just for style points.

I would argue my style--what with the breadcrumbing and such--is pretty fuckin' rare.