Mini 1576 - Timeshift Mafia II - Endgame

[Anatole Kuragin]

peregrine, why are you skeptical about there being an SK still?

[Anatole Kuragin]

I would love to go along with any theory that would clear my name, but there are a couple issues.

A) both kills could be on the same target - this isn't unlikely considering we have one more or less CI - studio, and tammy, who has already been shot once and most people see as town. basically everyone else is "lynchable"

b) mafia have another roleblocker or other disabling role of some sort - also not unlikely if all of the town role claims have been true, especially since messiah was goon

b is a hypothetical, should read mafia COULD have

[Anatole Kuragin]

I don't understand the resistance to a massclaim, even if we have a serial killer.

We're down two scum. If we don't have a serial killer, we're only looking for one more person.

Also, if someone claims vig, and someone not claiming vig would give us a whole hell of a lot of information, if the game's not over when we lynch the third mafia, then we know it's a serial killer. Messiah Complex did not shoot himself, and if it's a vig, they have no reason not to claim that shot.

It gives us more information on the setup that way. I didn't say anything about a missing kill last night, but Bulba jumping to that makes me think if there is a serial killer then he's probably it and something happened to his shot.

There was only one death last night, which means either the vig is one-shot or something happened to their kill or they're a sk with an errant shot.

Mafia has ALREADY made their choice for who they killed last night, so it's not like they can go back and change it and kill someone different if someone claims something the mafia would rather have dead. They'll still be here.

If we have a better understanding of the setup, then maybe we can finish this today, unless there's a serial killer and our hunt will still go on.

Also, think about it. If it's a serial killer, he has no real interest in lynching the final mafia because then he's out there alone for the rest of the game. He'll want the last mafia around so that he has a better shot of winning the game.

I just don't see any downside whatsoever.

I am a Timeshifted Jailkeeper.

Targeted pie, molla, and bulba. Feel free to confirm/deny if you've had your shit blocked, bb and bulba.

[Anatole Kuragin]

that last quote is not about constipation

[Anatole Kuragin]

peregrine, why are you skeptical about there being an SK still?

Becasue fo this:

Dead:

VictorDeAngelo, VT, was lynched Day 1.

Wake88, Town Tracker, was lynched Day 2.

These would be the night1 kills that came across night2.

Messiah Complex, Mafia Goon, was killed Night 2.

<Tammy/Studio BP claim> since they are not both scum, accept as truth, then Tammy-Bane was scum target.

InflatablePie, Mafia 2-Shot Roleblocker, was lynched Day 3.

This would be the night2 kills that came across night3
Dr Pants, VT, was killed Night 3.
Is this the mafia or SK nightkill? Or both? You jailkept Molla, was he protected or blocked? Bulba protested JeeshStudio, were they the missing kill?

Multiball (mutiple scum factions/SK) is usually not assumed until proven. TO that end, I'm not seeing proof.

[Anatole Kuragin]

pere I'd advise you to claim vig if you are, or you're probably going to get lynched. if you aren't, I don't think there is one. you are the only one that seems to think a vig is more likely

[Anatole Kuragin]

peregrine is either vig or sk, there's no other option with those posts from a rational player

[Anatole Kuragin]

why wouldn't you say that before?

[Anatole Kuragin]

how'd you guess messiah?

[Anatole Kuragin]

I think I believe Pere. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Anatole Kuragin]

peregrine, why are you skeptical about there being an SK still?

Becasue fo this:

Dead:

VictorDeAngelo, VT, was lynched Day 1.

Wake88, Town Tracker, was lynched Day 2.

These would be the night1 kills that came across night2.
Messiah Complex, Mafia Goon, was killed Night 2.
<Tammy/Studio BP claim> since they are not both scum, accept as truth, then Tammy-Bane was scum target.

InflatablePie, Mafia 2-Shot Roleblocker, was lynched Day 3.

This would be the night2 kills that came across night3
Dr Pants, VT, was killed Night 3.
Is this the mafia or SK nightkill? Or both? You jailkept Molla, was he protected or blocked? Bulba protested JeeshStudio, were they the missing kill?

Multiball (mutiple scum factions/SK) is usually not assumed until proven. TO that end, I'm not seeing proof.

So, anyways, I stick to my opinion of Bert, Bulba, singer for scum.

Town for Tammy/Studio

Probtown for Anatole/Molla (Anatole even more for claim).

I'll concur with those reads except for singer/mara, who I'm townreading.

[Anatole Kuragin]

1-Shot Vig, Jailkeeper, BP Giver, Tracker vs. Mafia 2-Shot Roleblocker, Goon, And X seems more balanced than a game with a Doctor.

that x sort of imbalances the equation though, don't you think? scum could have anything

I'm scared of lynching doctor, but bulba has been weirdly tunnelvisioned all day and the only case against me he has made is that I claimed jailkeeper

[Anatole Kuragin]

Molla, don't be stupid. We have 2 conf. scum and a clear path to a win. Anatole is scum, because there's no way there's both a JK and a doc in this game. I'll 1v1 her on this. Also, the way she's treated my claim is super scummy. Then we have PV, who just claimed 1-shot vig under pressure. However, if that was true, why didn't he claim d3 after it was shown the Messiah kill went through? Heck, why didn't he claim during massclaim? There was no reason to hide it on either occasion. Look at it from what should have been his perspective if 1-shot vig. He has proof that he's town. There's proof that Tammy is town, and by extension, Studio. That's a solid 3 person town block and enough to start destroying the scum team via PoE, especially considering the timeshift mechanic. Him claiming would have been the best course of action. Instead, he holds onto that information and doesn't let it out until a lot of pressure comes his way, and it looks like everyone is okay with his lynch. Why? What's the town motivation? The answer is that there is none, but there is a lot of motivation via survivalism if he's a SK. Anatole is final mafia. PV is SK. Game solved. Let's lynch them and go home.

What is scummy about the way I've treated your claim? at this point in the game you are by no means CI with that claim since it isn't proven and there is a possibility you are both lying and telling the truth. I have treated your claim with reserved optimism if anything.

and the only thing you have for me is that I am also a protective role. if you don't think that is possible, look at the setup for the last timeshift and how unbalanced it was.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Bulba being scum hunting scum would make a lot of sense for how he's gone after pere, who is the most likely SK if there was one, and trying to lynch me as a protective role.

What if Bulba is mafia or sk with rolecop/tracker/watcher? He has been weirdly going after me for shitty reasons all game, but I would think if he knew I was a PR he would have just night killed me. Maybe I looked like an easy lynch?

I'm not down with a policy lynch

[Anatole Kuragin]

if there is no SK then we know for a fact bulba hasn't saved anyone

[Anatole Kuragin]

I'm not down with a policy lynch

he was about to be lynched, and then he changed his claim to vig. that's not the same as a policy lynch. policy lynch as a phrase is thrown around too much these days imo :C

if there is no SK then we know for a fact bulba hasn't saved anyone

what's your conclusion

Even though I think Bulba is acting scummy, I think it's a wasted day to lynch him because I'm already jailkeeping him tonight.

[Anatole Kuragin]

But I'm not lynching pere either because I've had him as a higher townread all game anyways

[Anatole Kuragin]

his claim makes sense as obnoxiously ill-timed it is

[Anatole Kuragin]

ok.

im not opposed to a no lynch, which is something i stated a week ago when we were still under the impression that there was 100% an SK alive

it confirms bulba somewhat (outside paranoia) if we operate under the assumption that anatole is town JK, but this even number 8 alive thing is annoying though. even if scum JK, then that means bulba town

scum can totally no kill and frame bulba though soooooooooo

they would have had to submit a nokill last night though

[Anatole Kuragin]

a lot of my posts are half-frustration from voting and pressuring several people because I thought they might be SK. It was a total waste of time now that I know they couldnt have been an SK.

[Anatole Kuragin]

We are not lynching Peregrine today.

Stop it.

[Anatole Kuragin]

bulba is like zodiac level obsessed with me

[Anatole Kuragin]

half of those quotes aren't even relevant to your argument

[Anatole Kuragin]

dude, your entire case is predicated on the fact that I am not 100% sure that you are telling the truth or lying.

do you automatically believe or disbelieve every single claim with 100% certainty?

[Anatole Kuragin]

I have consistently held the same opinion all day:

bulba may or may not be telling the truth, if there is an SK it's more likely he is telling the truth, or that a doctor role is also in the game. regardless of this he acts fishy. I have said as much since the beginning of the round

i don't even know what 1v1 you means unless you're talking about dota

[Anatole Kuragin]

Bulba, if you were scum, wouldn't your claim be convenient, like I said?

You haven't saved anyone or claimed to, which means it's not at all confirmable. How is mentioning that REMOTELY close to a point against me? This is the kind of dumb reasoning that your case is made of.

[Anatole Kuragin]

dude, your entire case is predicated on the fact that I am not 100% sure that you are telling the truth or lying.

do you automatically believe or disbelieve every single claim with 100% certainty?

I have consistently held the same opinion all day:

bulba may or may not be telling the truth, if there is an SK it's more likely he is telling the truth, or that a doctor role is also in the game. regardless of this he acts fishy. I have said as much since the beginning of the round

i don't even know what 1v1 you means unless you're talking about dota

But it's not the case that you don't believe with 100% certainty. It's that the amount you believe in my role is directly related to the amount of pressure I exert on you. In the beginning, you believed in my role with absolute confidence. Then I started pressuring you, and you started discrediting me with the "Well, he hasn't protected anyone.", which is a low blow. If you're going to doubt the validity of the claim, you look at who I chose to target, not whether or not I protected anyone. You'd have to argue that Studio's slot and Tammy were not good protect targets on any of those nights. But you're not doing that. You're resorting to mudslinging because I failed to anticipate targets outside of obv. or conf. town. Then when votes started piling on you, it is only then that you started calling my claim convenient. Your stances are like sand and shift according to your needs and what you need them to be in order to survive.

P-edit: I'm good with either an Anatole or PV lynch, since both are scum. I'm not going to consider anyone else.

It's more like, the more you tunnel me, the more it strengthens your already scumminess-laden game. Look at your votes all game, look at your comments on pie.

and the point isn't that you're a bad doctor, the point is, your lack of confirmable saves makes it an easy claim if you were lying. I'm sorry if that's offensive to you, but the point is, if any of us were going to make a fake doctor claim, those are the exact people any body would list.

[Anatole Kuragin]

look at the first case you made against me today, it was 100% because of my role/claim and it's like you haven't read any other players' posts all day

[Anatole Kuragin]

and looking through your iso, there are so many weird and non-committal votes against me. it honestly feels like you have a bone to pick for some reason

[Anatole Kuragin]

It's more like, the more you tunnel me, the more it strengthens your already scumminess-laden game.

So OMGUS. Good to know.

Look at your votes all game, look at your comments on pie.

Yes, I was voting my scumspects, who I talked about repeatedly, and I was against voting a strong town read. That actually sounds like town play to me.

and the point isn't that you're a bad doctor, the point is, your lack of confirmable saves makes it an easy claim if you were lying. I'm sorry if that's offensive to you, but the point is, if any of us were going to make a fake doctor claim, those are the exact people any body would list.

And the point you keep skipping is why I would make such a claim, which is essentially a CC claim, forcing myself to 1v1 you if I was the last scum. It doesn't make sense. If you'd do any sort of meta on me, you'd see that I am a very cautious scum player and do not fake claim anything beyond VT unless I know I can pull it off without danger. I'm not very creative in the fake claim department. Heck, PV should know that, because I had a golden opportunity in the Marvel mini with my Thor fake claim, and I didn't take it, claiming VT instead. And this isn't an aspect of meta I would readily mess with, as it reflects what I believe ideal scumplay is, and how I believe scum should play to win games. Suffice it to say, fakeclaimg doctor as last scum to CC the JK is a bad move, and there's no way I'd ever do that as scum.

So I'm provably telling the truth, which means that you're lying. I'm CCing you, which means I'm willing to 1v1 you right here, right now. Come on scum, call me on it and see if I'm bluffing.

ok sure let's 1v1 and CC

can you tell me what these things mean?

[Anatole Kuragin]

bulba, why do you think you are the only person in this game who finds it completely unthinkable that there is both a JK and a doctor?

[Anatole Kuragin]

and if we are both town, we just fucked the game for the other people.

do you see why I am not reckless enough to say with 100% certainty that you are scum?

[Anatole Kuragin]

I feel like I just discovered "street" mafia

[Anatole Kuragin]

bulba, why do you think you are the only person in this game who finds it completely unthinkable that there is both a JK and a doctor?

Why are you so certain that there must be? Why were you so quick to accept my claim when simple setup spec would tell you that 3 town protective roles is highly improbable?

and if we are both town, we just fucked the game for the other people.

do you see why I am not reckless enough to say with 100% certainty that you are scum?

This is a scum claim, btw.

are you going to explain how?

[Anatole Kuragin]

how is that a scum claim?

[Anatole Kuragin]

how is that a scum claim?

this is where bulba stalls until i get lynched

[Anatole Kuragin]

no, 1v1ing sounds like the dumbest and most selfish thing to do in a team game where every life counts

[Anatole Kuragin]

because if we are both town anyways, how would me insisting you die next help? it's just a wasted lynch if you are

[Anatole Kuragin]

no, 1v1ing sounds like the dumbest and most selfish thing to do in a team game where every life counts

Even if both you and Bulba flips town, it would be 1 vs. 3 in 4p

Still not game over, assuming no SK.

I still am shocked we went "peregrine if you don't claim vig you're dying" and only that extracted the vig claim

Pretty unbelievable how today went. But yeah 13 of 14 days worth of productivity shattered with our SK theories

and if it's bulba, singer, pere, bert at that point, how confident is the town really?

[Anatole Kuragin]

bb* not bulba

[Anatole Kuragin]

no lynch is the logical move here imo

[Anatole Kuragin]

no, 1v1ing sounds like the dumbest and most selfish thing to do in a team game where every life counts

Even if both you and Bulba flips town, it would be 1 vs. 3 in 4p

Still not game over, assuming no SK.

I still am shocked we went "peregrine if you don't claim vig you're dying" and only that extracted the vig claim

Pretty unbelievable how today went. But yeah 13 of 14 days worth of productivity shattered with our SK theories

and if it's bulba, singer, pere, bert at that point, how confident is the town really?

I don't see how town should feel confident at any point before game's end

my point is we have a lot more wiggle room without indulging an ego driven 1v1

[Anatole Kuragin]

bulba you are going to be seriously embarrassed at the end of this game

[Anatole Kuragin]

If we lose this one, I just want to point out that we had them both in our sights but let them get away.

and if we lose it for lynching townies that you're SO sure are scum?

[Anatole Kuragin]

like you were SO sure about pie

[Anatole Kuragin]

I just want to point out that Anatole started d4 discrediting my reads, and now he's ending d4 discrediting my reads. We lynch him or PV tomorrow.

so have you had any successful reads? because the two you have been most adamant about all game are clearly 100% wrong

[Anatole Kuragin]

and peregrine is probably town, which we should know for sure if there aren't two kills? no way with that claim he isn't either vig or sk

[Anatole Kuragin]

so 3 failed reads

[Anatole Kuragin]

ok.

im not opposed to a no lynch, which is something i stated a week ago when we were still under the impression that there was 100% an SK alive

it confirms bulba somewhat (outside paranoia) if we operate under the assumption that anatole is town JK, but this even number 8 alive thing is annoying though. even if scum JK, then that means bulba town

scum can totally no kill and frame bulba though soooooooooo

They already made their kills for last night.

beat you to it

[Anatole Kuragin]

sent a PM to defender, but I'm vla until tomorrow, sorry guys. also still not scum

[Anatole Kuragin]

I jailkeepered tammy last night. I didn't read the thread at all, just saw it was day and wanted to mention I was v/la in case I couldn't get a real post in tonight.

if there isn't an sk, bulba isn't scum, regardless of how anti-town he is being. I jailkept him and studio still died.

[Anatole Kuragin]

you really couldn't wait for me to answer before voting? why are you in such a hurry?

[Anatole Kuragin]

Bulba is clear is Peregrine was a 1-shot vig

[Anatole Kuragin]

VOTE: bert

thanks for reminding me

[Anatole Kuragin]

bert we've come along way from when I was accused of "buddying" you. never forget the good times

[Anatole Kuragin]

bert you were on my list before I was on yours, check my iso

[Anatole Kuragin]

you were in my PoE list of three along with two people, one of which I felt was townie and the other I have gone back and forth non-stop. bert has been my only constant suspicion, but until the whole business with the tammy/sk stuff I didn't pay enough attention to you I guess

[Anatole Kuragin]

without an SK, you and studio are both conf-town, and I figured bulba would doc studio, didn't want to block bulba if he really was doctor, which I knew we would get an answer on today

[Anatole Kuragin]

bert, like I said, I didn't pay you much attention and you didn't seem like an obvious partner or obvious bus from either of the other two scum flips

[Anatole Kuragin]

but there's literally no other choice besides mara now

[Anatole Kuragin]

It's always interesting to hear other players perspective on your usefulness and what not.

Anyway, Anatole - did you believe that peregrine was a one-shot VIG?

yes, and still do

"Stong WKin townread" to "big scumread"

Ure I was "not paying attention to Bert" excuse is ughhhhhh

I don't buy that

what does WKin mean? did I really say you were a strong townread?

but there's literally no other choice besides mara now

? That slot if town is still alive because it's been mostly a dead lurker slot before singer

Molla is an option and is not conftown

PV is an option

?

I honestly forgot bb was still in this game, I guess it's a possibility. PV is basically as conftown as tammy after last night, why would you think otherwise?

Today:

you were in my PoE list of three along with two people, one of which I felt was townie and the other I have gone back and forth non-stop. bert has been my only constant suspicion, but until the whole business with the tammy/sk stuff I didn't pay enough attention to you I guess

bert we've come along way from when I was accused of "buddying" you. never forget the good times

still no explanation about how my play is scummy as compared to Day 2/3 when you had me as town and were accused of buddying me.

coupled with your super confidence after Pie was lynched that Pie would flip scum (again, without real reasoning), this does not look good

yeah, I've been back and forth more than I realized - I don't see how indecisiveness is an inherently scummy trait - if you really read through my posts it's not manufactured confusion, I just honestly found it hard to get strong reads aside from a few townies and one scum so far and it's still difficult. it's been a really confusing game and it's hard for me to believe as town I'm getting tunneled this hard by two people (bert and bulba) and one of them isn't scum. we know bulba isn't

[Anatole Kuragin]

yeah, I've been back and forth more than I realized - I don't see how indecisiveness is an inherently scummy trait -

if you really read through my posts it's not manufactured confusion, I just honestly found it hard to get strong reads aside from a few townies and one scum so far and it's still difficult.

it's been a really confusing game and it's hard for me to believe as town I'm getting tunneled this hard by two people (bert and bulba) and one of them isn't scum. we know bulba isn't

this still doesn't answer my question out of why I'm most likely scum out of everyone

I've had a a stronger townread on the two other potential players for days and they've done nothing to affect that.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Bert -

If you aren't mafia, obviously it's one of BB or Singer. For the thousandth time, I don't think they are mafia. They really aren't doing a lot at this point so it's hard to say much else other than since day 2 or so BB has been on my town list, and Mara/singer has progressively moved onto it throughout the game. I'm not really interested in re-reading 100 pages in a game where every player but me and you has essentially checked out of, tbh. my scumread against you is essentially PoE and what I see as weak cases though

You and Bulba have tunneled me for what I see as pretty weak reasoning, a) you don't believe my claim, or b) I am indecisive. if you read through the last 98 pages, 95% of what was said that WAS decisive was wrong, and aside from that pretty much everyone has changed their mind/been indecisive/waffley basically all game. nobody cares when tammy does it because she's considered a stronger player for example.

have I been indecisive this game? yeah for the most part. I can't really refute that. I said yesterday that I was pretty much out of steam this game and I more or less just want to live and win just to prove you guys wrong.

why would pere be sk still? that doesn't make any sense to me. I don't think anyone else in this game believes that is a possibility still other than maybe bulba, but I don't think he's read anyone's posts but mine for a few weeks now

bulba's tunnels ARE ridiculous. I don't think yours necessarily are. they are anti-town, because I think on some level if you ARE town, which I find less likely than bb and singer being, you probably think it's down to either you or me based on the current outlook of the town

[Anatole Kuragin]

bulba, just admit your reads this game have been off. I'm not trying to discredit you as a player but you are obviously misguided this game. why wouldn't I try to discredit you when I know 100% you are wrong and have been before? there is actual

proof

that you can't read scumminess in this game and I

know

you are reading me wrong. discrediting you will help save us another mislynch

and yes, that is weak reasoning and everyone in the game disagrees with you

[Anatole Kuragin]

bulba, just admit your reads this game have been off. I'm not trying to discredit you as a player but you are obviously misguided this game.

why wouldn't I try to discredit you when I know 100% you are wrong and have been before? there is actual proof that you can't read scumminess in this game and I know you are reading me wrong.

discrediting you will help save us another mislynch

pray tell, please tell me this is a sarcasm-riddled post and is a total joke.

I could have worded that better - I'm not discrediting his play in general, just his play in this particular game. because it's bad

[Anatole Kuragin]

can you re-word that last sentence?

As far as the first quote - there is evidence - he has been very very sure about two players this game. One is me, and the other is inflatable pie. I know with 100% certainty that he is wrong on both counts, and you know that he was on Pie. That's not a good record.

[Anatole Kuragin]

The balance of the first timeshift game gave me the impression that the balance and roles could be all over the place and that I shouldn't expect them to be balanced - that is why I am accepting of power roles when they make sense. as far as I'm concerned bulba doc, me jk, 1 shot bp, tracker are all confirmed, obviously you guys are not convinced of the JK until I flip.

[Anatole Kuragin]

I'll be back tomorrow.

[Anatole Kuragin]

When you dudes talk about killing him for information, do you mean just confirming that he is a 1-shot vig rather than an SK? We've only gotten one kill except for one night, I don't really see why it's considered likely he would be SK > vig still.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Where don't my actions add up, Bulba?

[Anatole Kuragin]

I jailkeepered tammy last night. I didn't read the thread at all, just saw it was day and wanted to mention I was v/la in case I couldn't get a real post in tonight.

if there isn't an sk, bulba isn't scum, regardless of how anti-town he is being. I jailkept him and studio still died

.

confirmed

[Anatole Kuragin]

Where don't my actions add up, Bulba?

I was referring to PV's actions. The only thing that doesn't line up with you is your thought process.

Yeah, I won't argue with that.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Seems really obvious to me that Pere is town. Don't vote him just because you're pissed about the way he claimed - it was a bad play but he has been logically consistent about it.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Bulba did not commit a kill last night.
My PR is true
Peregrine's vig claim is consistent with the night kill record.
Wake & Studio confirmed

Basically the only option is Bulba lied about his role but is still town. But yeah, all the claims are from townies unless someone is a vig and hasn't claimed or Pere is SK and just stopped killing.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Weirder setups have happened - we don't know what role the last mafia has.

[Anatole Kuragin]

My SK case on you was obviously misguided, but it made sense at the time and part of it was driven by you being given PI status by basically everyone which made me nervous

Bert and I more or less reached the same conclusion at the same time while reading the first timeshift for the first time after he posted it - unless you think both of us are scum then logically it doesn't make sense as grounds for one of us to be scum.

The mass claim didn't fucking matter anyways because Pere lied during it.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Tammy - those posts you quoted were before I even considered the possibility of an SK. You didn't make any sense to me as mafia and that's why I townread you. After I thought it was possible you could be SK that thought kinda took over.

I've never played in a game with an SK so it's not really a default for me and after seeing that in Timeshift I it made me think I was on to something.

[Anatole Kuragin]

So now we're lynching him as a slap on the hand for future games?

[Anatole Kuragin]

Can we just happily ever after this game - shit is getting too real

[Anatole Kuragin]

The scum's strongest weapon this game hasn't been misdirection or kills, it's been attrition.

[Anatole Kuragin]

The scum's strongest weapon this game hasn't been misdirection or kills, it's been attrition.

It's still 6:1. I like those odds.

Also,

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!

thanks bud

[Anatole Kuragin]

I will shoulder your confidence, my children.

just kidding, I'm terrible at this game.

[Anatole Kuragin]

one of them new ginger beers

[Anatole Kuragin]

What is a black and white mocha?

[Anatole Kuragin]

http://www.torani.com/recipes/black-white-mocha

Looks like white chocolate and dark chocolate. Might try that out - my usual at Starbucks is a vanilla macchiato.

[Anatole Kuragin]

would be good with whiskey

[Anatole Kuragin]

ginger beer is a soda, not real beer

and you have to bring your own whiskey

[Anatole Kuragin]

Yeah, ginger ale/beer is like root beer but is spicy and gingery - it's made by fermenting ground ginger root. This is starbuck's product - http://www.starbucks.com/menu/drinks/so ... afted-soda.

If you have a local whole foods or world market or something like that you should see if they have Reed's Ginger Beer

[Anatole Kuragin]

It's not alcoholic

[Anatole Kuragin]

what

[Anatole Kuragin]

Boy do I have egg all over my face.

I 100% believed PV was vig.

[Anatole Kuragin]

I guarded Molla.

[Anatole Kuragin]

but this was my tammy night

[Anatole Kuragin]

Aegor, I have no fucking clue what is going on in this game.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Bert we've been through a lot this game.

[Anatole Kuragin]

That's the consensus - Bulba is claimed doc, I am roleblocker. The other four of you claimed VT.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Jailkeeper*

[Anatole Kuragin]

Let me compile a list of people I jailkept and nights there were and weren't two kills now that we know there was an SK.

[Anatole Kuragin]

We know for sure that Studio saved Tammy/Bane.

[Anatole Kuragin]

But he already flipped soo

[Anatole Kuragin]

Blocked Pie night one, but two shots still happened night two - so one of the other mafia submitted. Mafia shot Tammy, PV shot Messiah (scum).

Blocked Molla night two, only kill night 3 was on Pants. We don't know if the other missing kill was blocked or doctored.

Blocked Bulba night three, Studio dies night 4. I think he said he saved Tammy this night.

Blocked tammy night 4, no kills night 5. I think Bulba said he saved Tammy again.

We need to cross-reference this with Bulba's list of docs. Unless you guys think SK and Mafia are seriously in tune with eachother or kept hitting lynched people, there's no reason for this many saves unless you believe me and Bulba basically.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Why doesn't that make sense with my jailkeeps? It's possible I blocked the victim rather than the killer.

[Anatole Kuragin]

I didn't want to use my poor play as a defense and I know this is wifom - but I swear if I was mafia I would have put a lot more effort into pursuing an SK/pere.

I didn't have much faith in mine and bulba's saves at all - assuming Pere didn't just tactically refuse to kill.

[Anatole Kuragin]

I'll let Singer check in and Bulba come call me scum before I place a vote. We might even have to talk about coffee for a few days until Aegor can get caught up.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Pere's action from the last night would have resolved. Me and Bulba both targeted Tammy and it's perfectly possible pv and mafia both shot her I guess... or Tammy is mafia and got blocked and PV tried to shoot Tammy and she was protected?

[Anatole Kuragin]

It would be pretty weird if both scum targeted her and nobody targeted bulba.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Hard to say who on the pere lynch mob believed it was a mislynch or SK - but one of those people might have assumed PV would shoot the doc? and vice versa?

[Anatole Kuragin]

Yeah. Whoever is jailkept from now on is confirmed.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Can I jailkeep myself if it comes to it? Or does that just block the role from ever occurring? Do I become my own grandfather?

[Anatole Kuragin]

nevermind, that's in my role PM

[Anatole Kuragin]

Yeah I used to want you dead Bert, but honestly - with how wrong I've been about 80% of this game - I'm going to be doing some rethinking while Aegor catches up.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Yeah I used to want you dead Bert, but honestly - with how wrong I've been about 80% of this game - I'm going to be doing some rethinking while Aegor catches up.

Why haven't you jailkept me once?

I don't really have a good answer for the last night - I thought tammy may be scum as well, but after yesterday I don't think you're mafia.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Actions?

Protected Aegor.

guys i cant tell if Pere was just messing with us in that twilight posting.

Probably not messing, but I don't think that matters.

Have not read any of this game. Will at least skim through it, reading the posts of the live players.

If someone could tell me what is going on and any things I should know, that would be delightful.

We mass claimed after a missing kill. Chances are that it belonged to mafia, so the remaining mafioso knew there was a protective role of some sort running around. Anatole was able to claim before me and Bert, and thus was able to try to draw the protective role (me) out. She claimed JK, which is the protective role that appeared in the previous Timeshift (aka the perfect fakeclaim for the lazy scum). I claimed Doctor, essentially CC her, and called a 1v1. He refused. That was 2 days ago. There is no way that there are 3 protective roles in this game, especially considering there was only 1 other town power, and that was a tracker, and that the mechanic is built in such a way to potentially hide kills. 3 protective roles is overpowered. Anatole's claim doesn't add up in much the same way as PV's didn't. He's scum. We lynch him today and win.

I'll let Singer check in and Bulba come call me scum before I place a vote.

Why is it so important for you to wait to cast a vote?

I dunno, I guess we have theoretically two mislynches so it'd be cool to be smart about it and lynch the confirmed-ish jailkept target first but *shrug*

There's only 1 guaranteed mislynch before Mylo. Let's get this right.

I guarded Molla.

I don't understand, with one scum left, why you haven't jailkept me yet

Not once. Your biggest scumread for the past three game days

Boooooooooooooo

Because he's scum. Vote him.

Vote Anatole Kuragin

[Anatole Kuragin]

Bulba, 1v1s are stupid and I don't see how anyone with a brain sees them as pro-town. It is just something to stroke your fragile ego.

We have one protective role, one pseudo protective role, and one one-shot protective role.

The night kills make sense with my role, you are just oblivious to the game in any regard besides pushing my lynch.

[Anatole Kuragin]

I didn't care if I died for a while, but now that the game is actually interesting, I'm not letting you mislynch me and throw it just because you're stubborn and won't admit you've been wrong all game.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Compare it to the month-long day 3 or 4. It's more interesting. Still not exactly rip-roaring but enough to want to figure this one out.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Well, it's a protective role but it also fucks up town roles until this point in the game where we have mass claimed.

Tammy announced she was given BP because defender presumably told her that. Studio confirmed he gave her the vest.

Tammy can't be mafia - she could have been SK at the time I submitted that block though.

[Anatole Kuragin]

So we're basically between Molla and Singer.

[Anatole Kuragin]

And Bert - but I think he is less likely now.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Night 4 - the second kill was probably on bulba and I saved his ungrateful ass.

[Anatole Kuragin]

I don't know - this game has fucked my brain and I'm not reading 100 pages again. Your attitude towards PV looked like an apprehensive townie rather than mafia looking for a third faction that could fuck them over.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Ok, let's 1v1 but we lynch you first? Sound good?

[Anatole Kuragin]

How do you not see how anti-town 1v1s are? You are wrong. If we did this we would lose two townies and the game would be over. And hopefully you would be blacklisted forever for such an egotistical move.

[Anatole Kuragin]

We also have no idea what the SK could do or what the last mafia role is. You are being blinded by your obsession with the number of protective roles YOU think would be proper.

[Anatole Kuragin]

If we knew SK or Mafia had strong-man kills would you find it more likely I was telling the truth? We already know they had a roleblocker.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Bulba, do you find it at all strange you haven't been nightkilled yet considering you haven't protected yourself once?

[Anatole Kuragin]

I feel like the people behind that hydra would be aware of scum often getting a town PM example.

[Anatole Kuragin]

I'm v/la this weekend.

[Anatole Kuragin]

My action are timeshifted to the next night. I don't get all the conjecture about it happening instantly?

The word "timeshifted" is not in my role, I added that to show that my action is shifted to the next night and not instant like studio's ability.

[Anatole Kuragin]

If I am lynched today and bulba is killed tonight, our chances of winning drop very low.

[Anatole Kuragin]

I trust in your though Aegor - if you think lynching me is the best move for the town then do it - but I have a feeling we're going to be out of PRs tomorrow.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Studio 54, Town Timeshifted 1-Shot Bulletproof-Vest-Giver, was killed Night 4.

Day 5 begins. Deadline is 8/10 at 8am EDT.

Timeshifted does apparently mean it resolves instantly if it is in a role PM. That's not something I was aware of when I described my role.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Timeshifted makes more sense to me to describe an action taking place the next night, as in it was shifted in time?

[Anatole Kuragin]

Can you put all of that more simply? I don't get what you're saying bert

[Anatole Kuragin]

Yeah - it was just a dumb coincidence that I described my role as timeshifted. I didn't realize that was a mechanic that actually bypassed the innate timeshift on actions.

[Anatole Kuragin]

1 CI (Aegor) and 3 unknowns tomorrow if me and Bulba die today. Not good odds, but good luck guys.

[Anatole Kuragin]

whaaaaale sheeeit

[Anatole Kuragin]

GG guys, sorry I wasn't exciting scum. This was my first game starting back after a 6 year mafia hiatus so I was pretty rusty.

Bulba had me from the get go.

[Anatole Kuragin]

I think I may have gotten away with it if not for that meddling aegor

[Anatole Kuragin]

I'm really sorry for being such a dick to you bulba. Every time I told you you were bad it broke my hear a little

[Anatole Kuragin]

heart*

[Anatole Kuragin]

Also, I owe my scum partners an apology - they tied to roleblock studio the night he sent his BP, and it was too late by the time I noticed I had to send it myself so it didn't resolve.

[Anatole Kuragin]

tried* this will make more sense once defender gets the flip up

[Anatole Kuragin]

Thanks for the mod, Def. GGWP, town.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Timeshift is a pretty big inherent benefit for the town

[Anatole Kuragin]

Timeshift is a pretty big inherent benefit for the town

Wellplayed there, too BTW. I had you down to die, but sure you were town, so there is that.

Haha - I knew you were SK and that my only chance of winning was keeping you alive for extra kills.

GG bud

[Anatole Kuragin]

please nobody look at my roleblock on someone who had spent their 1-shot already