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Let me tell you a story, hiplop. There once was a man playing the game of Mafia with his best friend, who we will call Desperado. His best friend has intuition, a feeling, votes. Now this man sees his best friend's intuition nudging him forward, but also without evidence and also while Osseus's seductive siren call sings him elsewhere. Now, the man is ready to split off into his own, ready to adventure the world as a pioneer, as a trailblazer, but suddenly, Desperado's intuition proves more on point than the man is willing to admit when the target of the intuitive thought busts into the thread screaming "lynch me, lynch me!". The man wants to move, wants to go his own way, but the devil on his shoulder isn't big enough to overpower conscious. Do you understand, hiplop? You're making me do this and it isn't fairThe Pirate God of Mafiascum.-
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In post 11, Konowa wrote:Konowa is confused. Can Ansuz explain for the feeble minded?
I think what Nacho was trying to say is that he planned on moving our vote but then hiplop strode in carrying an enormous neon sign that read "I'M A SCUMFUCK" so he can't in good conscious vote for anyone else.The Pirate God of Mafiascum.-
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In post 39, hiplop wrote:yeah we found the scumteam boys its evceryone on my wagon
I think continuing to push this reasoning and do nothing else is scummier than not. I think it sounds awkward and passive: awkward because it's not really jokey or light and passive because you're doing absolutely nothing with it.The Pirate God of Mafiascum.-
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In post 27, gameplay506 wrote:I see only the Hiplop wagon. It's and RVS wagon so nothing there now.
If I'm speaking in tongues, please ask me to clarify so I can clear up misconceptions like "hiplop wagon is an RVS wagon".The Pirate God of Mafiascum.-
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In post 24, gameplay506 wrote:VOTE: Kthx
Ugh yeah what's the point of making a vote, removing it and making another vote in one post?
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In post 45, Mantisdreamz wrote:i'm gonna wait a few pages or so... because right now i have no reads whatsoever
Would you mind voting hiplop while you're waiting?The Pirate God of Mafiascum.-
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In post 47, hiplop wrote:In post 40, Ansuz wrote:In post 39, hiplop wrote:yeah we found the scumteam boys its evceryone on my wagon
I think continuing to push this reasoning and do nothing else is scummier than not. I think it sounds awkward and passive: awkward because it's not really jokey or light and passive because you're doing absolutely nothing with it.
youre right thats definitely not a joke
Who is the scummiest on your wagon? Who is the least scummiest? Why?The Pirate God of Mafiascum.-
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What did you even scumread in that post?The Pirate God of Mafiascum.-
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In post 73, Mantisdreamz wrote:
cause... dex, my love.. i'm just not seeing anything atm. i only really know you and kthx in this game (though, apparently bert, nacho, and NS are in it??) <- i can work with them too.
but you and kthx haven't said a whole ton that makes me think "town". so was gonna lay back for a bit and see.
i don't think that Osseus pseudotripodis (purely copy-pasted) was justified in voting kthx.
Bert and notscience are tunnel mates, desperado and nacho are in this hydra.The Pirate God of Mafiascum.-
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Why?The Pirate God of Mafiascum.-
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In post 82, gameplay506 wrote:
VOTE: d3x
Your early aggression here doesn't feel like town aggression.
I tend to take aggression as an early sign of sorting out the game: it's usually pretty difficult to get a good read on someone without pushing them a little bit. I also think scum are less likely to be aggressive because being aggressive normally steps on people's toes at worst or makes you the center of attention at best, which is a position most scum players aren't comfortable in taking.The Pirate God of Mafiascum.-
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In post 90, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:No, it was a backhanded dismissal to show everyone else how wrong I am. Listen you can't play that game on me, because I have perfected it.
He's asking what scummy things you've picked up on, which isn't a ridiculous question considering you haven't given anything to work with so far. The tone you're picking up on is there but doesn't really seem all that scum motivated.The Pirate God of Mafiascum.-
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In post 99, Kthxbye wrote:In post 98, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:back off kthnx, Bone, he always is like this.
Hiya UT, Bone still needs to explain his vote on me for my post. I will not let it go as not explaining things is scummy to me.....especially when he goes from 'kthx is caught scum' to 'I agree with caught scum and will follow with a vote because I agree so much with caught scum'.
Can't have it both ways and I want it explained.
This is pretty town.The Pirate God of Mafiascum.-
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In post 111, Burning_Earth wrote:No, actually gameplay vote seems legit
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Lynx... I've read this post about three times now and I dint know why you're voting d3x. It seems to me like your main beef with him is that he called you fluffy while ignoring tunnel mates, but in reality it seems like he called both of you fluffy (no where in his posts does he call you fluffier than tunnel, and he's voting gameplay as opposed to either of you), which means that you're voting him because he says you're fluffy and that's it?The Pirate God of Mafiascum.-
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What's been said, exactly?The Pirate God of Mafiascum.-
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In post 143, LynxKuroneko wrote:Did you forget my vote was from a while ago? What's wrong with me waiting for other's reactions before making my choice final?
Many have reads and don't vote for them. I can't live my life in a way that makes you happy.
So, are you saying my reasons for finding them scummy aren't legit? Humor me.
A while ago, as in... last page?The Pirate God of Mafiascum.-
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In post 150, geraintm wrote:Wanting mantis to post more. Not seen anything from him to move him away from the scum side of things.
Hiplop should post more
Highshroomish needs to be better.
I cannot see me voting for d3x at all today. If a wagon forms there I won't be on it.
Ossy opportunistically jumped onto a vote on me. I can understand one person voting for me, but the second so quickly meh...
Why is two people voting for you a big deal?The Pirate God of Mafiascum.-
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In post 167, geraintm wrote:In post 155, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:In post 150, geraintm wrote:Wanting mantis to post more. Not seen anything from him to move him away from the scum side of things.
Hiplop should post more
Highshroomish needs to be better.
I cannot see me voting for d3x at all today. If a wagon forms there I won't be on it.
Ossy opportunistically jumped onto a vote on me. I can understand one person voting for me, but the second so quickly meh...
Are we playing the same game? Because I was the first to vote and am the only vote on you currently.
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What did you even scumread in that post?
I didn't like his comments about RVS. I felt that saying "acum have a harder time with RVS' was a ridiculously scummy thing to say. So I poked at it to see what would happen.
yup are right. Sorry. Kthxbye didn't vote for me, just raised strong scum. Suspicions and then you came along and said I agree and voted. There wasn't actually a vote on me when you voted. Sorry
But you did join in with a tiny tiny mini wagon on me very easily.
So? By your definition of easy, every wagon formed is easy but I haven't seen you criticizing too many of them at all.The Pirate God of Mafiascum.-
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I think kthx is probably town for the angles he's been taking so far, particularly how he bothered Osseus as much as he did about the scum caught post. I also think that kthx as scum tends to be pretty tunnely while he's been all over the place this game, so I'm pretty sure he's town here. D3x aggression is looking good, gameplay seems so incredulous that people are scumreading him that it's hard to see him being scum, Lynx's logic is too fucked up to gauge whether he's scum playing reactively badly or just flailing about trying to figure out what's going on, geriantim seems pretty scunmy for how he's treating the vote on him, hiplop's still not doing shit, everyone else is being uninteresting (EVEN NOTSCIENCE AND BERT).
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In post 198, geraintm wrote:In post 182, Ansuz wrote:In post 167, geraintm wrote:In post 155, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:In post 150, geraintm wrote:Wanting mantis to post more. Not seen anything from him to move him away from the scum side of things.
Hiplop should post more
Highshroomish needs to be better.
I cannot see me voting for d3x at all today. If a wagon forms there I won't be on it.
Ossy opportunistically jumped onto a vote on me. I can understand one person voting for me, but the second so quickly meh...
Are we playing the same game? Because I was the first to vote and am the only vote on you currently.
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What did you even scumread in that post?
I didn't like his comments about RVS. I felt that saying "acum have a harder time with RVS' was a ridiculously scummy thing to say. So I poked at it to see what would happen.
yup are right. Sorry. Kthxbye didn't vote for me, just raised strong scum. Suspicions and then you came along and said I agree and voted. There wasn't actually a vote on me when you voted. Sorry
But you did join in with a tiny tiny mini wagon on me very easily.
So? By your definition of easy, every wagon formed is easy but I haven't seen you criticizing too many of them at all.
It was post 97 from ozzy. He just said "I agree with this and would like to raise you a...."
And voted for me. I thought it was ozzy voting for me very easily (just agreeing with someone else's reasoning).
Wagons are fine, but I tend to notice when someone voted for me. I was confused though and forgot it was actually only the one vote on me. I've said sorry for that.
Osseus posted "I raise you a vote" when voting you. He posted "scum caught when voting kthx", and and I'm fairly confident this has been a pattern early game despite not being as up on the game as I should have (Mantis votes silently, kthx votes silently). Why didn't you pick up on any of those if you dislike wagons?The Pirate God of Mafiascum.-
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In post 202, geraintm wrote:In reply to mantis 192
Konowa - at the time hadn't written anything that made me dislike them so I had them ahead of some other people
You - it was because you hadn't mentioned high shroom before you voted for him
Ansuz - I believe it was his post 49.
Didn't like the way they had asked for response from someone else, trying to get them to give away stuff about themselves without contributing themselves. I think that is a way of scum acting (you are in the game, posting, but you give no one else anything to go on for you but let others run up their own rope)
If they continued to do that style of post, I would consider them scum.
Post 154 is similar
And 172
And 174 is again trying to get someone to write more
And 176 (just a why)
And 177 is again asking for someone to explain themselves more, for the benefit of him understand them better.
Oh, 178 is the same
And 179, asking hi plop to give a read
And 181
And 182
We actually have to get to post 183 before I can really see them giving any thoughts of their own
I said in my first read through that I disliked their style of posting (as I think it is a way of scum coasting through, being present but getting others to post enough to make them the center of attention) and as since they have continued doing nothing but
VOTE: vote ansuz
It's pretty a pretty bullshit tactic to look at a cluster of posting that I've done in one sitting, notice the majority of the posting lacks analysis, and attack me for it. If you were reading my posts behind the line, you'd notice that I consistently take more positions than you do, and I take stronger positions than you do. You'll notice that I've been more aggressive than you this entire game and will continue to be more aggressive than you because my questions aren't simply geared to get people to post more: making more people post as scum in counter intuitive since every post a town player makes means that player is that much more invested in the game and thus has more chances to recognize and be recognized as town and to recognize scum and give them more places to hide. What I'm actually doing is taking people's stances and ripping then apart so I know where they're coming from and seeing if that makes sense from a town mindset.The Pirate God of Mafiascum.-
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In post 213, hiplop wrote:we're on page 9 that sprang up while im sick! give me a break kthxbai
why so anti-lurker?
I'm not at all surprised this post is hiplop content for the week.The Pirate God of Mafiascum.-
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In post 247, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:In post 244, gameplay506 wrote:Kk go all on me. Waiting to be put on L-1. Once that happens you may start believing me.
I take your threat and raise you a...
Vote: gameplay506
lol guys we'll be sorry
You're tunneling him because he thinks you're threatening your manhood and you're not good at scumhunting when you're scumhunting with your dickThe Pirate God of Mafiascum.-
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@Osseus: What I wanted to say with regards to gameplay was that I thought you were more bothered by gameplay threats than you were looking at scum motivation behind his plays. Yes, it makes sense that scum would threaten to be a god mode role in order to avoid the lynch, but it makes less sense that he would make this threat as newb (not good scum, newb scum) and then follow it up with his roleclaim of "oh I'll die the next day". And you say ffery gives fakeclaims and maybe she did, but here's the scum PT from a game of hers that just ended and gameplay coming up with what he's come up in thread would have to be some pretty impressive imagineering I don't think he's capable of, him honestly claiming his role as scum (and the benefits of the role as scum seems most advantageous when bringing about an early LyLo which is quite frankly retarded), or some OP scum partner coaching.
His play outside of that is obnoxious, yeah, but still seems pretty town otherwise. He's been lazy as of late, which makes sense from scum motivation, but he's also still been active, posting, participating. His logic is fucked pretty royally but everything he says is said with a pretty decent amount of conviction which is generally a town tell (look at the "I can't believe you'd lynch a PR" lines in particular, can't really see anyone being as aggressive with that for as long as he did with absolutely no one backing him up unless he actually believed it), plus the "go ahead and lynch me, look at these people after I die and flip exactly what I said I would" anger, plus early game conviction when dealing with lynx+d3x. I can get into why those specific things are town if you'd like (with quotes since I have a laptop!), but I think that addresses most of it.The Pirate God of Mafiascum.-
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Meanwhile, hiplop wagon is fucking gorgeous.
In post 481, hiplop wrote:Scum: Lynx #381 was absolutely terrible. And as OS pointed out shes seemingly flailing despite having any pressure. Seems nervous.
HighShroomish
For me its a dillemma. GP is being annoying as fuck and harmful to town, unfortunately I think hes aligned with town. Is it better to get rid of an anti-town town player (who may be scum) or a IMO better chance at a scum player? I'm going with #2 but it is difficult.
This is pretty much his catchup post in his entirety after he doesn't provide shit for 10 days and doesn't attempt to provide shit for 10 days. It takes the two flavors of the day (gameplay and Lynx) and leaves himself avenues to vote either way that the tide turns: if he wants to vote gameplay, than gameplay is simply being too destructive to town in order to be left alive while Lynch is scum because a post was terrible and she's flailing without any pressure (vague reasonings, just sheeping OS).
In post 555, hiplop wrote:I was caught up in those games and could easily catch up.
The first time you posted in this game when you were sick, it was page 6. The second time you posted, it was page 9. Neither of those seem a horribly large mountain of posting to catch up and there's no reason you couldn't have said that you were sick or at least made some small effort to catch up (I'm sure the catchup post you made recently took you what, 10 minutes at most?).
In post 573, hiplop wrote:I mean you can believe I was sick and not wanting to catch up on a game or you can believe i'm lying across the entire site. I would persuade you by saying I love mafia far too much to ever do that.
I'm also pretty sure that people (d3x if no one else) have pointed out more things than just selective posting, and yet this is the only part of the case against you that you've cared to address.The Pirate God of Mafiascum.-
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In post 578, LynxKuroneko wrote:plenty have given scum reads without voting for those reads.
When people say that you are scummy because you aren't getting votes, they're pointing precisely to the fact that people are calling you scummy without voting you.The Pirate God of Mafiascum.-
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In post 469, geraintm wrote:I had previously said I disliked the way you were posting, and then when I next went through your posts they were all in the same style. It is pretty clever of me to say I thought you were appearing scummy and force you to post 20 times in the exact same way.
The point is that when I post from my phone especially, there are a lot of small posts made in rapid succession. You act like all I've done is ask questions and refuse to give analysis the entire game by stating "look at all of these posts with nothing but questions!", while in my posting flurries, I ask questions and give analysis. This is either you not noticing the time stamps are all clustered together or you willfully ignoring that fact in order to fuel your shit case.The Pirate God of Mafiascum.-
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In post 585, Ansuz wrote:In post 469, geraintm wrote:I had previously said I disliked the way you were posting, and then when I next went through your posts they were all in the same style. It is pretty clever of me to say I thought you were appearing scummy and force you to post 20 times in the exact same way.
The point is that when I post from my phone especially, there are a lot of small posts made in rapid succession. You act like all I've done is ask questions and refuse to give analysis the entire game by stating "look at all of these posts with nothing but questions!", while in my posting flurries, I ask questions and give analysis. This is either you not noticing the time stamps are all clustered together or you willfully ignoring that fact in order to fuel your shit case.
It's also a line of attack I don't understand coming from you: the only two times you've provided analysis this game is early game when you gave comments on a few people, and your case on me. Everything else has been either questions in the same style my questions have carried, or responses to questions other people have asked you. How has my content/question ratio been different than yours?The Pirate God of Mafiascum.-
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In post 549, Mantisdreamz wrote:In post 390, Konowa wrote:Konowa thanks gameplay506 for at least acknowledging Konowa.
Vote: HighShroomish
i'm not so sure i like this vote, that came right after oss's
Why did you make the comment on this vote as opposed to the hiplop wave of votes?The Pirate God of Mafiascum.-
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In post 591, LynxKuroneko wrote:@d3x Two other votes, as I put mine back on HighShroomish.
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In post 600, LynxKuroneko wrote:And I thought you wanted to wait until hiplop's next posts?
Never said that I didn't.
I don't think that voting HighShroomish means that you're more likely to hear his thoughts, and I don't think not voting him will mean he will hold back more thoughts than he would otherwise.The Pirate God of Mafiascum.-
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In post 600, LynxKuroneko wrote:Some of hiplop's vote just seem too casual. If its a wagon for reactions; that's one thing. But this is turning into a mob.
I'm not wagoning for reactions, and I don't think other people are either. I think there's enough on the table to lynch him and I'd like to see him lynched.The Pirate God of Mafiascum.-
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Especially when this is his reaction to being lynched. If I were town and someone declared intent to hammer after my next string of posts and then LOLhammered immediately afterwards, I'd have a much more poignant reaction than "ugh". And, we know he's around. We know he's reading. Why hasn't he popped up with a post yet?The Pirate God of Mafiascum.-
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In post 607, LynxKuroneko wrote:But it won't be MY vote hammering, that's for sure.
Why? You still think that he's scum.
You agree nothing that he's done looks mildly townish.
Are you just afraid to hammer? I can unvote if that's the case.The Pirate God of Mafiascum.-
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In post 609, LynxKuroneko wrote:Then there's the fact that hiplop (while not contributing much) is doing less harm than others. Sure he's running a smear campaign on me, attempting to feed and stoke the flames that a few others craved (personally that's scum motivation)
"I mean sure, look at this list of scummy shit that he did, but he's not doing THAT much harm!"
What the hell is this? Why would you back off hiplop when you're still not satisfied that hiplop is town? Is your method really to interrogate and get a reaction out of every player regardless of what their reaction is? Sure, some players are getting less pressure than others, but it seems like you're not going to be able to pressure every single player at the same time and whenever you're pressuring one player, you're letting others get away.
In post 615, LynxKuroneko wrote:4) If he's scum, then that makes me prime suspect, doesn't it? But if he's town and I lynch, it'll look bad on my part. I'm not putting myself in that position.
You look scummier based on your treatment of the wagon regardless of hiplop's alignment.The Pirate God of Mafiascum.-
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In post 662, TunnelMates wrote:(1) Ansuz knows that lurking/lack of effort aren't scumtells.
and yet so many times lurking/lack of effort equal scumtells because for so many people being active and showing effort and acting like they know what to do prove to be towntells. this isn't the only time i've pushed on a lurker before.The Pirate God of Mafiascum.-
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In post 662, TunnelMates wrote:A: I can help you by unvoting.
Lynx seemed to be afraid to hammer for god knows what reason.
I offered to hammer because I don't care where on the wagon I end up when a scum suspect is dying.The Pirate God of Mafiascum.-
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In post 662, TunnelMates wrote:B: Wait, why did you hammer? what kind of mangling is this
i'm pretty sure no one actually expected lynx to immediately hammer
if they did, please tell me why because normally when people are like "i refuse to lynch this person they are too town" they don't turn around three seconds later and go "okay! die!" unless their names are bert or lynx apparently.The Pirate God of Mafiascum.-
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In post 673, gameplay506 wrote:Really? Are people blind to Osseus vs Lynx?
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In post 674, LynxKuroneko wrote:Right now I can think of three scenarios for that
I can think of three scenarios?
I can think of more maybe?
I don't know how that helps and I don't know how my response to this would help but hey look at us taking risks for another's benefit!The Pirate God of Mafiascum.-
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In post 696, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:Because as TM pointed out you alluded to drawing conclusions about the flip BEFORE the flip.
plenty of times, actually
and still we kept pushing because we...
a) didn't care what you thought if hiplop flipped town
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In post 712, Konowa wrote:distinction between hiplop and HighShroomish equals a big fat zero.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=44900
i had two reads that game
hiplop was scum. bnb was town.
hiplop played here like he did there. i thought he was much more active as town versus highshroomish who doesn't say shit regardless of alignmentThe Pirate God of Mafiascum.-
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In post 769, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:In post 765, Ansuz wrote:In post 763, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:Are you scum?
nope!
your attack just didn't make me hard
Because I haven't attacked you really, and that quote above was addressed to Lynx not to you. Unless....
YOU ARE LYNX /conspiracy
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