Mini 1608--Mafia on the Air(Fin)

[Baboon Pride]

VOTE: gossamer wings
VOTE: Ree
Hey, guys

[Baboon Pride]

*baboon noises*

[Baboon Pride]

You are misreading the wincon. It's saying it's possible neutrals can win with us.

Also, I don't think I've ever seen a scum doublevoter, but this entire conversation is far sillier than anyone realizes it is.

[Baboon Pride]

Also, I don't think I've ever seen a scum doublevoter, but this entire conversation is far sillier than anyone realizes it is.

It's silly in the sense that he's objectively wrong and I'm right, yes.

Is the interaction silly?

-bork

Well, you're discussing something that's not a real thing, because we're not actually a double voter. It was amusing, though.

[Baboon Pride]

I'm going to call the ika hydra "ikabeast" because I don't like its name.

[Baboon Pride]

(Bad vote. you are both town)

That was fast.

I got, like, an eighth of a townread on one of them. If that.

[Baboon Pride]

Well, you're discussing something that's not a real thing, because we're not actually a double voter. It was amusing, though.

Cool, but the discussion had very little to do with whether or not that was actually true, yeah?

-bork

Ultimately, true.

[Baboon Pride]

Yes, I gathered that.

[Baboon Pride]

VOTE: Nashville
You can start posting normally now ^_^
OffensiveGenitalStick, sheep us.
-signing posts is against my religion

I'm not sheeping you until you're nice about my avatar D :<

(but I don't disagree with your vote)

[Baboon Pride]

Eh, I'll take it.

VOTE: Nashville, Tennessee. Like, the whole city.

[Baboon Pride]

Don't all post at once, now.

[Baboon Pride]

(Specifically - y'all should spot obvious post restrictions when you see 'em).

Given that it's on theme for their hydra, it's probably self imposed.

[Baboon Pride]

^^

The July 2014 join date is about the only thing keeping me from voting for Lissa as a result of this post.

Lissa, who's scum?

Liking you having this thought.

I've got a net light townread on it though.

[Baboon Pride]

@CS: It reminds me of a certain player in a certain ongoing game in some ways.

But eh, I'm not gonna talk too much about that slot right now.

[Baboon Pride]

It's not really supposed to.

[Baboon Pride]

Also i don't see how faking a post restriction when it's pretty evident that we aren't going to be doing it for the whole game (well I might, but I don't think my other head will).
It's also not like we are just posting lyrics, but we are actually hunting just not in a norm that everyone is used too.

Confucius say: If no one understands it, why do it?

[Baboon Pride]

I have no clue why we made those particular votes. Wasn't me!

[Baboon Pride]

MAFIA SRZ BZNZ

VOTE: cutty shark

Also, I tried to hunt down an image with a sleeve with town written on it and the only thing I could find that was close was a tattoo sleeve with an angel on it. So boo.

Anyway I'll town harder than town's town later, but I won't do much with this game before tomorrow or friday I'm sure. Falcon might be around and he's actually read for some reads. I think he said that he has Nashville Dreams as town because they saw the same thing he saw in Bork's play that he liked and he has Cutty Shark as town. Yes, I'm voting a town read dundundun. (My only thing about Nashville is

the post restriction

the post where they said everyone needed to post ASAP. I'm not sure why that pinged and it's probably stupid, but it did. Falcon left me a couple other thoughts but that would require logging out of here and logging in as Tammy and then back again and I'm feeling lazy as hell and going to take a nap, so.

Oh hey because I recognized the lyrics for one song:



Oh also, mr and mrs gonad stick - I realize you were joking with the double voter thing but what prompted those two particular votes?

smooches, laters, and hopefully after I've had sleep and not so damn loopy.

Also I hope when we return we have an avatar!

My love for you guys!

[Baboon Pride]

Or, Me (not ceph) being a complete ass again, your pick, Tammy

[Baboon Pride]

also UNVOTE:

I don't think our vote should be here

[Baboon Pride]

Fonz, what's the problem with Lissa's post?

this interests me.

[Baboon Pride]

I am sucking up to people I have experience with, don't you know?

in anycase, I never said I liked Fonz post, but I can defintely see where he is coming from, and it is something I can expect another person of relative experience of this game to get. Especially on this site. Lissa's post can be construed in many ways, and it's more about what's not there, than what is there.

[Baboon Pride]

Pedit: Ok. why? any thoughts on whos scum so far?

[Baboon Pride]

I don't care about [the hydra gimmick]

Fixed to be more based in reality

-b

Slip?

This might be the strangest thread entry I have ever seen.

Fonz, what's the problem with Lissa's post?

this interests me.

Why does that interest you and why do you like Fonz's post? For the record, I stand with FT in believing that there was nothing wrong with Lissa's post.

I liked it because it was an easy post to attack (it does a lot of pointing out the obvious, for one), and he noted this and chose not to attack it. Since I am mildly townreading Lissa, this appeals to me.

(@Mara above- that was directed to me. Maybe we should sign :S)

[Baboon Pride]

Hey, Tammy ignore that mean hillbilly and focus on me for a second

[Baboon Pride]

Pedit: Ok. why? any thoughts on whos scum so far?

[Baboon Pride]

that question was geared towards you. It isn't to out of character for me to vote you, regardless of my alignment and I'm not sure why my Ree vote would be weird

[Baboon Pride]

Does he?

I have nashville as probtown, atm
Borkdra as maybe town
Lissa and 5-off as probably town

as far as Fonz goes, I don't know a whole lot about him, but atm he looks townish though I need to see a little bit more from him to make anything concrete
FT and flubber are the weirdest for me, and I'm thinking that one (or both) are maybe scum

Everyone else I have no impression on at the moment, and I think that the scum would likely be found among those who have yet to post

[Baboon Pride]

VOTE: Flubber-- I'm pretty sure this counts as a consensus.

OK, apparently we're talking about that. And my words are being taken to extremes already. Yes, there is a neighborhood, and FT is in it (technically). We are not the only ones. I didn't see any particular reason to talk about it or not when I could try to use it to read our neighbors without the town getting something stuck in its craw about there being neighbors.

Since we're doing that, FT, why did you bring this up here and not there?

[Baboon Pride]

Does he?

I have nashville as probtown, atm
Borkdra as maybe town
Lissa and 5-off as probably town

as far as Fonz goes, I don't know a whole lot about him, but atm he looks townish though I need to see a little bit more from him to make anything concrete
FT and flubber are the weirdest for me, and I'm thinking that one (or both) are maybe scum

Everyone else I have no impression on at the moment, and I think that the scum would likely be found among those who have yet to post

This post, too. How does Fonz look town? Or Lissa? Or Nashville?
How do I look weird? I literally only posted a vote and a question -- relatively straight-forward question, too. The positions are too... stancy? If that makes sense.

Mara's stance on you here is very obviously being colored by the fact that we're in a neighborhood with you.

But no, that doesn't make sense.

[Baboon Pride]

Also, Mara and I talked briefly about her townread on Nashville, but I don't really get it.

[Baboon Pride]

I'm going to make a bet. And I bet there is scum in your neighborhood.

Almost assuredly. We'll have more details on this when someone outs the neighbors, but I like having them close to the chest right now.

[Baboon Pride]

But yes, look, that's great, we're going to get something stuck in our craw about there being neighbors and totally ruin everything I wanted to do with it.

[Baboon Pride]

I dunno, man. I'm drunk as fuck.

I didn't see a point to keeping the "intern PM" secret. We know -- or at least one of us was told -- that someone in the PM is scum. So keeping it secret gives the scum an information advantage, as far as I'm concerned. We can probably assume anything said there is going to be told to the mafia in their PM, so keeping just hurts town, if anything. At least that's my view.

Listen.

I hate you.

[Baboon Pride]

One of us was told there is scum in the neighborhood. Allegedly, anyway. I would be a bit hesitant to take this without a grain of salt, if it weren't for the following: The problem is, we don't technically know who is in our neighborhood.

[Baboon Pride]

Baboon, what're you trying to do with the PM? How could it possibly help us find scum?

I wanted to do things with it.

I also wanted to not have day 1 be a discussion about neighbors, because that is just annoying.

[Baboon Pride]

Why? Either they're telling the truth or they're lying and they're the scum in the hood.

Right, yes. This.

At first, I was expecting the person in question to back off and say "lol just reaction testing", but so far that hasn't happened.

[Baboon Pride]

You're seriously paranoid of us because we liked one post he made?

??????

[Baboon Pride]

you did not just take what I said in the PT and stated it as your own

[Baboon Pride]

us
FT
Lissa
5-off (who is the one with the info)

[Baboon Pride]

The reason I had a mild townread on Lissa earlier was because of neighbor things.

[Baboon Pride]

that's who is in the neighborhood, to our knowledge.

BTW, I was doing stuff when ceph skyped me about dumb shit happening

Pedit: PT

[Baboon Pride]

So yeah, the mod didn't tell us who was in the neighborhood and explicitly refused to, so if the scum neighbor info is real, there could be a fifth neighbor who just isn't posting.

@ika: Forums.

[Baboon Pride]

You're seriously paranoid of us because we liked one post he made?

Uh, not sure what you're talking about. I don't follow any of your reads, period. Nor do I see how your questions and responses carry town motivations.

Okay, try asking?

[Baboon Pride]

Private topic particiants aren't told who have access to the Private topics

[Baboon Pride]

holy shit, stop posting, TVYM

[Baboon Pride]

The reason I had a mild townread on Lissa earlier was because of neighbor things.

This. Lissa's excitement in the neighborhood was genuine.

(Also, she reacted first to 5-Off, and the reaction was on point)

[Baboon Pride]

You're seriously paranoid of us because we liked one post he made?

Uh, not sure what you're talking about. I don't follow any of your reads, period. Nor do I see how your questions and responses carry town motivations.

Okay, try asking?

I kinda did. Earlier.

How does Fonz look town? I already said this.

How does Lissa look town? Are you thick? Because neighborhood.

Nashville I can't explain, I don't agree with Mara there.

What I don't get is why you not immediately seeing everything we're seeing is basis for a scumread.

[Baboon Pride]

Baboon, can you guys sign your posts too? I've played with both of you before but I'm not sure which post is which.

Maybe.

-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

Mara is kinda flipping her shit a little but has to go for a moment. Pretty basically, FT is taking some of her thoughts from the neighborhood and presenting them as his own (the bit about possible fifth lurking neighborscum) and, well, I'll just use her words for the other part.

"he doesn't get involved with the game until someone mentions that he could be scum, then, he freaks the fuck out, and actually tries to hide an omgus which is scummy as all fuck"

Though I'm less than 100% certain what she means in that last bit, I'm finding myself hard pressed to argue for the most part.

-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

Baboon, I question whether there is a thought process behind the reads. Lack of thought process = scum.

Of course there's a thought process? Read my posts?

I find your pretending not to know why I was townreading Lissa (while then proceeding to out the neighbors yourself) pretty disingenuous.

[Baboon Pride]

I find your pretending not to know why I was townreading Lissa (while then proceeding to out the neighbors yourself) pretty disingenuous.

Pretending?

...You just agreed with me re: her being a townread...so what could possibly be the issue here...???
-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

I find your pretending not to know why I was townreading Lissa (while then proceeding to out the neighbors yourself) pretty disingenuous.

Pretending?

...You just agreed with me re: her being a townread...so what could possibly be the issue here...???
-Ceph

Your reasoning was presented after I asked about your read?

Was it? I don't remember. Does it make the slightest bit of difference which it is?

Also, I said this earlier in the neighbor thread?

[Baboon Pride]

Pretty basically, FT is taking some of her thoughts from the neighborhood and presenting them as his own (the bit about possible fifth lurking neighborscum)

I didn't see that in the neighborhood, but if Mara wants credit for that idea, she's welcome to take it. Doesn't really matter. But the idea that I stole her thoughts and presented them as my own is not true. Where's the evidence of that?

We weren't told who is in the neighborhood, but someone in there was told that scum was part of it. So, scum could literally just lurk, gain information secretly, and negate any pro-town neighborhood-strategy. I just don't see the point of keeping it secret or harping on it. I'd rather move on and talk about things that matter. Like Baboon's alignment.

[Baboon Pride]

Pretty basically, FT is taking some of her thoughts from the neighborhood and presenting them as his own (the bit about possible fifth lurking neighborscum)

I didn't see that in the neighborhood, but if Mara wants credit for that idea, she's welcome to take it. Doesn't really matter. But the idea that I stole her thoughts and presented them as my own is not true. Where's the evidence of that?

We weren't told who is in the neighborhood, but someone in there was told that scum was part of it. So, scum could literally just lurk, gain information secretly, and negate any pro-town neighborhood-strategy. I just don't see the point of keeping it secret or harping on it. I'd rather move on and talk about things that matter. Like Baboon's alignment.

So... you're assuming I read her thoughts in the neighborhood? Fine. I still haven't read that part of the neighborhood, or I just don't remember reading it. But if you want to believe I "stole" the thoughts, fine. I can accept that. But, where's the evidence that I presented the thoughts as my own? Where did I say, "I came up with this thought"?

-The quotes post was Mara
-Saying something and presenting it as your thought are the same thing
-I'm leaving, you kids play nice

-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

What I had said in the neighborhood chat, is that I was willing to town-read everyone who had posted because, without being given a list of people who were with us, scum could very easily have noticed that and used it to their advantage. I'm willing to outright say you had stolen it from me, because it's right there, in our neighborhood, in my little paragraph and we were talking about it being a posibility.

and, as much as you are willing to push us for being the probable scum within the neighborhood, you very quickly back down from it, and decide to push someone who, generally is an easier target to get lynched. also... the hidden omgus thing... it's legit, and the fact that you were scared to do a legit omgus, and tried to hide it with mashing us with fonz, a couple hours after I make it known that I think you have the potential to be scum is pretty amusing. You question my 125 and you yourself, note that you havn't done much, whereas I have made my stances clear early game. Instead of asking people to work with me, I demand it to happen. I grab their attention and push the game forward, on my own voilition. You've done it as a reaction, and only as a reaction. lack of proactivity means a higher chance of you being scum.

VOTE: Fourtrouble

instead of lynching outside our neighborhood, we are lynching inside of it

[Baboon Pride]

that is my post, I am not signing anything.

And, no you didn't say "I came up with this thought" but you're posting an idea, a thougth that isn't originally yours and posting it without any reference to the original owner, which is the definition of plagarism

[Baboon Pride]

Sorry guys been crazy busy. Will have time for this in the morning. Expect a blow your mind catch up post. Saving my vote till then as I can't find a vote count in the last few pages. If I was to place a random vote, it would be on Fonz as a welcome back how-do-you-do-vote.

do me a favor and hand me your vote.

[Baboon Pride]

Ok hi.
The neighborhood thing I am currently agreeing with FT that this isn't the most reliable information. Not saying that there isn't scum in the neighborhood (a size of 4 there's a good chance for it), but considering how the neighbor list is unknown and there very well may be more than just one scum in the neighborhood, I'm not going to pay too much attention to it because I'm not a part of it.

As for scum reads, I am looking at the fonz 5 off and ND.
-Fonz– I totally agree with ft that not voting lissa was bad. Hesitance to vote always is a scum tell to me and the no reasoning on why rubs me in the wrong way. Plus there's really no point to paying attention to post restrictions anyways so I am perturbed why he focused on players who mentioned it.
Fonz needs to answer FT's q when he get's back.
VOTE: the Fonz
-5 off- Read their iso, a bunch of side questions that I've seen no conclusion to, no pushing for anything. 294 is suppose to be a joke right? It feels out of place with the way the rest of your posts feel. What are your reads as of now?
-Nashville dreaming- This one I can't really explain as much, as it's mostly gut feels with the tammy interactions. I know you want to keep secret, but may you please tell me if one of you have played with me before? This would help my read on you, thanks.

Everyone else is looking decent or null so far. I can't agree with the other cases flying around currently.
Flubbers intro is a bit weird agree, but he promised reads so I'm going to hold off for now.

Lynches outside the neighborhood isn't happening. Try again

[Baboon Pride]

almost guaranteed to have scum in the 1 of 4, or, in my perspective, 1 of 3 FT being the most likely of the three. Aside the fact, both Lissa and 5-off have been newb-town, mostly from the neighborhood and Lissa's in thread content has been, as well. As far as "gambit" goes, it's unlikely to come from newb-scum.

pedit: yeah, mostly. What about FT do you not get, and what has he even done that's town?

[Baboon Pride]

Two things. First, I wasn't playing passively, or at least I thought I was active. Comparatively, I'm a lot more active than half the players in the game. I'm also not sure how "asking people to work with me" is passive or scummy? Second, is Baboon's analysis always this mechanical? The "I'm doing X, but you're not doing X, so you're probably scum" argument isn't very good.

He had admitted to only having two posts prior to my 125. Kill?

[Baboon Pride]

not that it actually addresses my proactivity vs reactivity point, in any way shape or form

[Baboon Pride]

(not responding to scum-reads)

and, well ok. I guess, though you don't think it's weird his activity picked up considerably after I noted that he was likely scum?

I also want to say that his inclination to at least try to work with people he already has as scum is probably scum-oriented, though I've never been one to understand what drives people to work with the ones they have a strong enough scum-read on to actually put a case against the person, and to be ready to lynch them without a second thought. With that point aside, though, Proactivity vs reactivity remains to be my biggest point

I mean, yes he is active but, for the most part, the only content he's given so far is "neighborhood info" and a few reads, along with trying to talk with our slot, which is essentially fluff because he has played with me (Mara) before, and he knows I have zero inclination to talk to anyone who I believe has an actual chance of being scum, regardless of being in hydra or not

[Baboon Pride]

Checking in to say that I think limiting ourselves to the neighborhood is silly, BUT, FT is nonetheless probably scum and a solid lynch.

-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

If it's such shit, it should be no trouble for you to take it apart. I'll wait.

[Baboon Pride]

Right. Hood people. This is reasonably important.

When 5-off said there was scum in the 'hood, did anyone say that their role PM didn't mention anything about that? If so, who did so first?

You have just asked the right question! We all confirmed we had nothing of the sort, but Lissa said it first.

This is why she's town.

[Baboon Pride]

I don't feel compelled to point out the fourth vote is RVS by Fonz and one of his three total posts

I'm not asking you to deconstruct the wagon. I'm asking you to deconstruct the argument that 4T is scum. I don't care what you think of the players who agree.

[Baboon Pride]

Right. Hood people. This is reasonably important.

When 5-off said there was scum in the 'hood, did anyone say that their role PM didn't mention anything about that? If so, who did so first?

You have just asked the right question! We all confirmed we had nothing of the sort, but Lissa said it first.

This is why she's town.

This is the kind of shit that we need to know about - it's not helping the town to withhold facts.

Meh, I was getting there. I said she reacted well to what could have been a reaction test by 5-Off. That's what I meant.

[Baboon Pride]

I don't feel compelled to point out the fourth vote is RVS by Fonz and one of his three total posts

I'm not asking you to deconstruct the wagon. I'm asking you to deconstruct the argument that 4T is scum. I don't care what you think of the players who agree.

I more or less pointed out that your reasons for voting him were shit in my above post. It's not my job to show that he is town, just that he's not the scummiest option to vote. The burden of proof if on the 4t wagon and none of the cases are remotely convincing.

You said they were shit, yes. What you didn't say is why. I feel like it shouldn't be that hard to answer a simple question: why don't you find them convincing?

[Baboon Pride]

I don't feel compelled to point out the fourth vote is RVS by Fonz and one of his three total posts

I'm not asking you to deconstruct the wagon. I'm asking you to deconstruct the argument that 4T is scum. I don't care what you think of the players who agree.

I more or less pointed out that your reasons for voting him were shit in my above post. It's not my job to show that he is town, just that he's not the scummiest option to vote. The burden of proof if on the 4t wagon and none of the cases are remotely convincing.

You've done no such thing. All you said that I was attacking the playstyle and not his alignment and I'm not...?

Pushing an easy target isn't a playstyle quirk
Realizing that you could be doing an OMGUS, and keeping yourself from doing so isn't a playstyle quirk
Proactivity is generally towny. I note he lacked that
Reactivity is generally scummy. I noted that the majority of his posts were reactive

where is the playstyle bash?

[Baboon Pride]

I am sucking up to people I have experience with, don't you know?

in anycase, I never said I liked Fonz post, but I can defintely see where he is coming from, and it is something I can expect another person of relative experience of this game to get. Especially on this site. Lissa's post can be construed in many ways, and it's more about what's not there, than what is there.

Since when do you suck up to me Mara? Why not Bork? (but seriously, hey, long time no see)

Damn this game is moving fast. Back after work.

You're prettier!

and Bork has a wife.

I'd still like your vote, though. I don't even care if you're actually scum ATM, and if you are I might give you some town-cred for bussing anyhow.

[Baboon Pride]

I'd be much more distrustful of 5-off if I were mafia and he town (i.e. I wouldn't trust a word he says about claims/setup)

0/10.

[Baboon Pride]

If I'm ignoring any questions, it's because I assumed Mara answered them.

Why are you voting 5-Off? Do you think he made up the info?

[Baboon Pride]

I mean I get what 384 is trying to say I think, I just don't quite get how you get from A to B there.

[Baboon Pride]

@ FT, I think it is entirely possible 5-Off is gambiting.

~ F-16 (I'll sign my posts if we're both online to avoid confusion)

F-16, what's the scum benefit to that sort of gambit? Town-cred? You know me well enough to know that I don't care about town-cred as either town or mafia, so there's certainly no personal motivation if that's the case.

Tammy, your recent post made me think of this. I didn't realize this at the time, but from what you just said, F-16 was thinking 5-Off was gambiting as town. But 5-Off interprets F-16's speculation to mean F-16 suspects him. Which suggests 5-Off is reading F-16's post from a non-town perspective.

I'll probably let falcon actually rend to this cuz I don't fully understand it, but falcon didn't say what he thought 5-offs alignment was. He said that he has a history of gambiting as town, is pretty good as scum, and didn't understand why you seemed to take it at face value knowing he's a gambitter. He is also having trouble believing the mod gave him that info, unless it's the bastard element. He hasn't told me what he thinks either of you are though.

That was my initial reaction (Mara apparently thought it was silly of me not to accept it instantly though). When he continued to insist upon it over quite a few posts, I decided it might not be a gambit after all.

I'll be interested in hearing from Falcon on this.

[Baboon Pride]

Hood people - how active were MaraCeph and FT in the hood before, say around 11 PM CDT (GMT-5) last night?

-b

If I'm converting timezones correctly, Ceph had 4 posts and FT had 2, maybe 3 if I'm an hour off. Nothing major from FT, and some light analysis from Ceph.

Yeah so you forgot to account for BP posts. We have like 20 posts to FT's 3.

[Baboon Pride]

If I'm ignoring any questions, it's because I assumed Mara answered them.

Why are you voting 5-Off? Do you think he made up the info?

No, we are ignoring scum reads.

Phone post, yay.

[Baboon Pride]

F-16

You can actually thank tammy for my read on your slot.

You think FT's town?

[Baboon Pride]

What points do you not like?

As far as 5-off goes, he seemed surprised at the fact that ceph was treating our neighborhood as if we were masons for the time being, and assumed we had all the same infom if it was a gambit, it was a pretty damn fluid gambit that I think, even Cabd would appreciate. so.

[Baboon Pride]

HAH

ok, now I am positive FT is scum.

[Baboon Pride]

Baboon, can you guys sign your posts too? I've played with both of you before but I'm not sure which post is which.

I am just going to leave this here for convience.

[Baboon Pride]

Glad he recognizes my competence as scum, though. smart move on his part. At the same time, though...

[Baboon Pride]

Anatole - hi! You should start checking westeros boards as we're actually starting to play again. I don't get your scum read on baboon. Does knowing that it's Mara who played in time shift two change your perception at all? (Or did you already know that?)

Yeah - I've played with you and mara (and ceph as part of a hydra I think) and know what you guys look like as town from Timeshift. Ironically, in that game Mara was what she is calling FourT scum for - reactive, passive. That caught me off guard and is giving me a gut scum read for that hydra.

VOTE: Baboon Pride

Uhmwat?

Hydra was anything but passive/reactive, and I was proactive until I stopped caring about the game, to which point I proddodged, then eventually got placed out?

[Baboon Pride]

uhm...

I was in a hydra prior to that. Forgetting about that hydra, and last post made.

[Baboon Pride]

the posts were pretty much 50/50.

though, I did a whole lot of shit in that game, and alot of it was primarily meant to see how mollie would react to it, and secondarily see how everyone else would react to it, and the shit I pulled D1 was stupid enough for people to want to react.

[Baboon Pride]

I think fonz is just some old crazy person who might as well readjust to the site.

[Baboon Pride]

If I'm ignoring any questions, it's because I assumed Mara answered them.

Why are you voting 5-Off? Do you think he made up the info?

No, we are ignoring scum reads.

Please don't do this.

why?

it's defintely preferable to the alternative of an actual 1v1 with FT and clogging up the game in noise over using that time to get other people to see eye to eye with me

pedit: pretty much!

[Baboon Pride]

Bork/skrew, what

do

you think about FT? you said you didn't agree with my points against him, and that they were weak but...?

you also said that, my point on him being more active after I start pushing him a little was notable

pedit: eh. that's a fair point, I guess? trying to understand where people you already read as scum, and having them understand where you're coming from isn't something I don't understand the necessity of, and I could be using the time spent answering him answering someone else, I would think

[Baboon Pride]

I am also keeping past experiences that I can actually remember offhand (Lucky in Micro 188, Thor in Walking Dead) where I didn't bite on a case of yours and you turned out to be right anyway in mind.

I just am really not feeling it yet even though I'm townreading you. Not sure what to else say about it.

-b

p-edit @mara

then just trust me this time around?

like, I know that I'm not perfect, and I have led mislynches, but my scumdar generally doesn't pick up signals as clear as FT is giving me, atm.

[Baboon Pride]

yeah, even if I wasn't ignoring you, and refusing to answer your question, I would highly doubt you would be able to understand where my mind is coming from, even if I were to explain it since you can't even seem to pick up why the basic reasons to why plagiarizing stuff I said, to increase your credibility all the while, attempting to decrease our credibility within the game is scummy as fuck. My points aren't ever based in empirical data, neither are the reasons to why I read people as scum or town, and why I trust people when I do. The game state doesn't need to be all that great for me to be able to get a read, and if it did, I wouldn't be able to pick off reads via first impression to which is what I generally do. No, my reasons are generally based of off theoretical ideas, and stuff that end up confusing me when I think about it to long. I see play from a systemic point of view, underlying motives that involves everyone in the game, and not just a few people of which you're interacting with. It takes to much of my time, and energy to explain my reasons to you. It takes a hellalot of my time to explain my reasons to anyone, including my own hydra partner so the people I am taking my time to work with, and understand where I'm coming from pretty much have to be my town-reads

[Baboon Pride]

Also waiting for people to realize that FT asked us to sign our posts, because he couldn't figure out who was posting when, and what but then, when F-16 talked to him about Cephrir, he was able to say that he was focusing on

my

posts and [/i]my[/i] reasons and focusing more on me, and able to realize that, even though he didn't know who was posting what to begin with.

[Baboon Pride]

AK, shitty cases aside, why is FT town?

or, town enough that it warrants your defense of that player? because, that isn't actually explained

[Baboon Pride]

I actually still haven't been consistently signing.

Also, I'm not playing this game today because reasons.

-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

Butshe's just running with it as far as she can.

I'm not even using that reason to push you, anymore. I havn't been for a while, I was just stating what I thought at that time, while saying why I have zero reason to try and interact with you and my scum-read has gone beyond "plagarism". That's the only point you're harping on when I've given a couple others

like

timing of your activity

and

your ability to tell the difference between us when it's convienent

[Baboon Pride]

also

pushing easy targets was also a reason

and, I'm still convinced you wouldn't have even moved to me if I showed no intention of backing off

[Baboon Pride]

*if I showed intention of backing off

[Baboon Pride]

Also, Ceph and I are/were kinda laughing because we both think you're kinda digging yourself deeper with how you're trying to appease people, and how you're unwilling to step on people toes unless someone steps on yours first.

I also don't weave stories, nearly everyone knows everything that comes out of my mouth is pretty much true regardless of my alignment, and I actually tag on reasons I think are scummy, even as scum

[Baboon Pride]

I also had you as probable scum before I under the impression that you had stolen my thoughts so, that was never even the sole reason to begin with.

[Baboon Pride]

So

taking a stance is scummy, and so is not taking a stance. got it.

Also, is anyone really any reading what I am saying?

[Baboon Pride]

Also, I think it was Falcon who brought it up, but I dont particularly care about wether or not 5-off has played mafia before ms, he is new

here

and that means he is new to a whole different level of mafia. I had two years experience prior to coming on here, i have made it known, and I always had a confident scum-game but it doesnt change the genuine tone that happened when he assumed everyone else had the same info in their pm that hr had in his, and it closely matches tje genuineness I had when claiming scum in wingate mansion (not sure if you read that game, but you can run it by tammy)

[Baboon Pride]

I can also link many games where It's been stated that my reasoning was "bad" yet, was on scum if people want, but ft is pretty fucking scum.

[Baboon Pride]

Earlier FT was saying our reason for him being scum was non-existent.

Now he is staying it there, just that it's fake and contrived.

[Baboon Pride]

Ft says he thought we were competent enough as scum, yet is using all these easy scum-tells that is generally not done my competent scum... I think? Not that sure

but, he certainly isn't taking into consideration that I generally am mislyncyed more than correctly lyched, and he was seen (iirc) more of ky town games than my scum ones.

[Baboon Pride]

He has stated that he is 'active' when I have stated his lack of proactivity bothered me greatly. changed this later I think? But this was definitely a viable point I made.

[Baboon Pride]

Despite that viable point, he continues to say the the only viable point I made was an omgus one, though my point was that hrs easy trying to hide it.

Not sure what to do with falcon info that he is a firm believer that omgus is town, because I hold a similar belief and I use it in my games to "look town" and I would kinda expect him to do the same? Regardless, it was another viable point I had made.

[Baboon Pride]

I also explained why I thought the plagiarism had scum intent. I had assumed he had read my post, he posted there before hand, and I am not a mind-reader.

It's what I was thinking at that point in time, and I didn't even use it as a driving point after he had explained he hadn't read my post, I had others.

[Baboon Pride]

Ft had gotten more active after being stated as possible scum. which I noted as weird

[Baboon Pride]

Also, being to certain early game is pretty shitty, because I have games where I was able to get reads that were accurate as early as page one, and stuck to said reads all game.

[Baboon Pride]

Nope

we have all gone quiet.

Also I am pretty sure I placed strong convictions in getting F-16 lynched in swagtown?

As well as jakelynch in borkgame?

[Baboon Pride]

Tammy, Nashville is probably town.

[Baboon Pride]

Still

[Baboon Pride]

Nashville, taking a break from tammy sorting for a bit, who's scum?

[Baboon Pride]

Sure, I guess though I was kinda hoping to be able to talk before I had to head /to/ work

[Baboon Pride]

Sure thing

[Baboon Pride]

Kinda interested in your read on Lissa, though. when you get back, I want to know The general why. afaics, she's been fairly non-problematic, and if scum she's generally done a good job in blending in, and looking town in the pt itself. Her activity in pt matches activity in thread, so she isn't lurking and when it doesn't, she has promised stuff the next day, which limits her.

[Baboon Pride]

Sticky note?

Us, lissa, ft and 5-off afaik. 5-off was the one with the info on the scum rumors

[Baboon Pride]

In the pt, lissa was the first to post, first to respond to 5-off and was generally the one who is actually getting people to engage in the pt. she posted thoughts there she hadn't posted elsewhere, (thoughts that were less game related I think) and when 5-off questioned our trust, she was pretty on point with the why, which was pretty surprising

[Baboon Pride]

I guess she does seem mechanical, but I am not connecting that with why she is weird, really? She is a newer player, and I feel most of them come off as such

Her sticky vote doesn't bother me, though the lack of a push on the vote would be moreso. I am kinda getting the feeling though, that she is the type of person who wants their vote somewhere over nowhere like a good majority of this site.

Pedit: the pt is really the only reason why I think he is likely town, for the most part. What I recall from his posts here, it is reminecent of my earlier town play onssite

[Baboon Pride]

Not sure if it's conf. Bias there, but it is definitely something I like.

[Baboon Pride]

Tammy, lemme talk to

nacho

Nashville!

Pedit: no, and I think ceph wanted to find out why it was just him. he thinks 5-off is 3p who isn't supposed to out that info, but I disagree

[Baboon Pride]

Tammy.

[Baboon Pride]

Possible, though that would mean scum had already posted, I would think?

[Baboon Pride]

As far as that goes, I would still think it's approach was the most effective in obtaining that. second bet would be 5-off in that respect though the manner of how it happened would be incredibly gutsy

[Baboon Pride]

Dunno, I guess I like to think of myself as risky scum, yet wouldn't have the balls to willingly do that.

Anyway, I have to head off to work, as well

[Baboon Pride]

I have some catching up to do. I may not finish, because I'm tired, but we'll see.

-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

Saying he wanted IHNC lynched.
Then he went back to Baboon:
In post 235, FourTrouble wrote:
Baboon, I question whether there is a thought process behind the reads. Lack of thought process = scum.

Then he accused IHNC some more.
He was also suspicious of Fonz.
But later he somewhat rapidly switched to 5-Off, briefly, and back to Baboon a few pages later. And not long after he calls 5-Off a "fellow townie", if I am interpreting a post of his right.

This is probably my personal biggest issue with FT (at least at this point). I really don't care about the plagiarism thing as much as Mara does/did. This just feels to me like casting everywhere but himself for absolutely anything "shiny" to get others to latch onto that isn't him.

I apologize in advance for talking about irrelevant bullshit from 10 pages ago, but deal with it, I'm probably going to take up most of this page.

-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

And just speculating out loud here but I feel like 5-off could be third party. the neighborhood info he had... I could see going to a neutral third.

This resonates with me and is probably worth considering.

[Baboon Pride]

Full disclosure, FT made my eyes glaze over within his first two sentences on page 24 and I didn't read the rest of his posts on said page. Also, if Nashville's remotely sane head isn't Titus I will eat my walking stick.
-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

Lets assume TvT fight.
Lets assume scum doesnt post in it.

Know who it incrimminates in this if it is tvt?

VOTE: Anatole Kuragin

Kinda liking this.

There is a line of posts there that I felt manipulated by in the same way I felt during Tales of You. The posts are different in approach but similar in how I felt in response (my immediate reaction to them was, "Baboon is 100% town," followed by, "wait, this is so fake, can't believe I got tricked by that").

Yeah, so, this is exactly targeted to make Tammy paranoid about me. There is no other purpose to this. Especially because I can't fathom what it could be talking about.

-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

I figured it wasn't allowed, that's why I asked before doing it. I'll try to paraphrase, but it's gonna lose the tone of it, which is definitely relevant. He started with, "I want to clear something up. Are there any scum in here?" -- then followed that with, "I think we've caught scum on pg. 2 in Nashville. Nashville's continued reaction is really bad. I don't want to say anything because I want to see how they'll continue to react. But I'm telling you guys because I trust you." This is a bad paraphrase but it gets across the main ideas I was concerned with.

At first, I thought this guy was town. Then I realized a couple problems and felt like an idiot. If you're asking, "are there scum in here," you're not gonna start trusting people in the Intern PM when no one has even posted yet (at that time, only Lissa had posted besides Ceph). Nashville could have been IN THE PM, for all Ceph knew. The degree of trust made no sense. I didn't understand it, given an earlier post about possible scum in the PM. Suddenly, the whole, "we've caught scum already! yay!" was very manipulative, as was the, "guys, let's watch Nashville's continued reaction together, we're in this together" vibe. It felt like scum buddying up to the folks in the neighborhood.

So, alright, let's start out by throwing dirt on my tone, which you can't explain. OK, sure. Whatever.

"Are there any scum in here?" was never intended to be taken seriously. It's the equivalent of asking someone if they're town on page 1.

The Nashville thing was the first in my process of testing the waters in the neighborhood. My plan for the neighborhood, before it got vomited into the thread and completely ruined, was to start out by using it as though everyone in it was town; leaving small tidbits in it that I would prefer scum not know, but wouldn't be horribly broken up about if they did. From there, I was going to watch to see whether any non-neighbors changed their behavior in response to anything I said in the hood. So, for instance, I was criticizing Nashville's schtick continuing while they started getting pressure, as I thought the town thing to do would be to drop it and start contributing rather than try too hard at looking lighthearted. Then, if they proceeded to drop it (this is just an example, really, of what I wanted to do with the neighborhood), I suspect that someone in the neighborhood has passed them the information, giving me reason to suspect both that the player who changed is scum, and that there is a scum neighbor (IIRC this was before the presence of a scum neighbor became all but irrefutable & before I realized there could be a lurking neighbor, but those would play in as well).

-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

Because you didn't in any way indicate you had considered those things, and if you had it's hard to see how you could possibly have still voted for me. The second one considers that, one notes there's really obvious town reasons for acting as I did, and no real scum advantage.

This is also untrue. I may not have explicitly indicated that I was considering what your motives were, but that doesn't mean I wasn't doing so. I tried to explain this before but I wasn't very clear, so I'll try again. The problem I had was not your lack of a vote for Lissa. It was the complete lack of any position at all. I was unable to discern a town motive behind that, especially in conjunction with your vote for me (lynching town is a clear scum motive). The other obvious scum motive here is not taking a position, which lets you go either direction, depending on what's popular later.

I thought the position in Fonz's post about Lissa was very clear.
-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

The case on FT is bad. Doesn't mean I'm townreading him.

And yeah, I am scumreading mara but I'm realizing my evidence is pretty shit for it. Like I said, I'm pretty bad day one. I say this pretty much every game I play because I inevitably hit town day one and kick it into gear after a flip.

[Baboon Pride]

Cephrawr

This narrows down your identity considerably. Probably shoulda thought about that.

-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

Fonz isn't saying his flavor, because he has something to hide. I know it though

You replaced scum and are still scum

[Baboon Pride]

Not sure why, but the way csearo is going about that feels town and the fronz reaction feels OTT and forced.

~M

Now this nation that I love
Has fallen under attack
A mighty sucker punch came flyin’ in
From somewhere in the back
Soon as we could see clearly
Through our big black eye
Man, we lit up your world
Like the 4th of July


ika, we need to get the fuzzy logic out this thread. Csareo has shown plenty of historical differences that make no sense. My other head will not let me vote Tammy and is isnane here. She has let me reach out to you. We should take him to the school of the insane.

VOTE: Csareo

For the rest of you, compare this game to his only game on site.

One of these things is not like the other? Did you typo here?

Also, can you explain your townread on Nashville?

Seems unlikely, since she can't explain it to my satisfaction either!

-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

I've searched the world and I know now,
It ain't right if you ain't lost your mind
Yeah, I don't want easy, I want crazy
Are you with me baby? Let's be crazy


which head do you think is sane?

Hayden

You.

On the other hand, not *that* sane.

-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

There is a line of posts there that I felt manipulated by in the same way I felt during Tales of You.

Actually, I'd like to know how exactly and from which posts in Tales of You, you felt manipulated by Ceph. You were townreading Fox/Hound before you flaked so I don't know what you are referring to.

~ F-16

The manipulation wasn't apparent until months after the game, when I saw the outcome and Fox was scum... I don't remember exactly why I town-read him there, but there were subtle things he did like faking conversations with his hydra partner, fake stuff like that. I also remember reading a couple of his games, and there stark were differences, like he was actively manipulating his meta. I don't remember exactly so I can't really answer your question. Hard to tell now, I just looked over the game and I can't help but find all his posts scummy, filled with fake emotions, etc.

This is you regurgitating things other people have said. Or possibly that your scumbuddies are feeding you. If you've read games with me in them, you know that "Cephrir actively manipulates his scum meta" is precisely what absolutely everyone says about me. It's not news. It's also true.

Also, those conversations with my hydra partner weren't fake, we actually had them

Well no shit they're fake emotions now that you know they're fake (well, sometimes).

-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

Aaaaand finally quick and dirty reads on just my part.

Nashville Dreams- scummy, don't really understand Mara's reasons for disagreeing with me
Honey bee- need more data
Cutty Shark- reasonably town
FourTrouble- scum
5-Off- ask again later
Anatole Kuragin- scummish
The Fonz- reasonably town
I have no creativity- reasonably town
gossamer wings- town, not close, Nashville is dumb or scum for thinking otherwise
Mr_Ree- need more data
Csareo- probably scum
Lissa- town

-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

My stance on Csareoeososo now that that's all said and done:

Predecessor was scummy.

Current slot holder is playing, uh, let's say 'suboptimally', but I honestly don't see any scum motivation for doing what he did today when he did it. I do see the potential for town motivation in trying to catch people in a lie, but the execution was silly enough that it was pretty obvious he was going to get nothing out of it. I believe the role is real, regardless of his alignment.

Wouldn't miss him if we was gone, but probably not my top anymore. Would lynch (Nashville / Anatole) before. Ceph's reads match up pretty well with mine (sans FT)

-b

This is basically exactly how I feel about the slot, except that my conclusion has it as scummier. I'd happily go with you here though, especially if I can twist Mara's arm a bit, but we all know how she can be (<3)

That's cool I will not be reaching out to you.

From my point of view, you have no reason to take that tone with me. I did not start this.

891's tone is pretty unreasonable, if you ask me. Not that you did.

-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

Rude

[Baboon Pride]

Baboon might be town, but I think he's more likely to be scum. I could be wrong though.

Thank you for your careful and well reasoned insight. :/

-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

Baboon Pride(Ms Marangal+Cephrir)

I'll let you work out which of these players is female

[Baboon Pride]

He did. He mentioned keep in 3p.

[Baboon Pride]

I thought it was quoted already. I'm pretty sure she did quote it.

She's trying to crumb to ika too. We aren't taunting anyone.

~M is for Mala. (btw, I think you probably deff know that from 907, but now that knowledge is public)

Guess was off. I thought you were nacho. This solidifies you to top tier read.

That said, explaining town-read takes... effort, probably won't try to here, as I spent at least 30 minutes trying to explain it to ceph via skype and he still can't get a clear idea of the read.

[Baboon Pride]

Hesitant to scumread anyone for weasel words.

A) I'm basically public enemy number one in that regard especially as town
B) [redacted]

-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

To tired/lazy to do work today

but I recall F-16 asking the genuine point.

in wingate, I genuinely believed that our neighborhood qt was our scum qt... and treated it as such. 5-off's genuineness is similar in the sense that, he assumed every towny had the same warning he had, if that makes sense.

[Baboon Pride]

I don't think Csaewrero's treatment of his role is particularly scummy. He obviously has the role he's claimed; that just doesn't make him town. I really don't think it's indicative of anything at all. I simply already thought the slot was scum, and he hasn't given me second thoughts.

-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

I think having the role itself is null, yes (although you can probably extrapolate some alignments of the people he has info on after his flip)

To expand upon this more:

if town, there's probably 0-1 scum in the 4. Outside shot at 2.
if scum, likely they're all town
if he's benign third party, probably the same case as if he were town

-b

It's possible that the four names given are just random, too.
If he's scum, there are probably only three names and he tossed in a scumbuddy.

-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

Not seeing anything that constitutes 'next level play' from that slot. Are you?

Fair.

[Baboon Pride]

Gossamer
Nashville
Cutty
5-off
Lissa

Fonz
Bee

Ree
Csareo

F-16
AK
Ika

lets start here.

[Baboon Pride]

Alternatively, I could just move Csareo down a tier, since Ree is pretty much just basically null and Csareo is still lean scum, but I can probably replace those two with Trouble/AK/Ikabeast tier

[Baboon Pride]

yeah, that's supposed to be trouble. It's early

[Baboon Pride]

Gossamer
Lissa
Cutty

Fonz
ika
Bee

5-off
Ree

Csareo
Nashville
AK
FT

No, let's start here.

-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

In anycase, I think the last tier defintely has scum in it, and I am pretty sure that it has all the scum in that tier, so I would prefer to have a lynch within those three people.

The only thing that bothers me, really is how little sense FT and Ikabeast actually work together as partners based off in thread interactions is somewhat unlikely. I also feel like he was using the neighborhood thing and the duel between me and trouble to maybe lynch through the neighborhood while ignoring the fact that there could have actually been a lurking member, despite it being said several times

pedit: nuuuuuuuu

[Baboon Pride]

also, gambit, and means to gain town-cred is possible.

[Baboon Pride]

somethingsomething role PM somethingsomething genuine something posts in game

[Baboon Pride]

Eg: not entirely willing to explain my town-reads, especially those already explained

from what it looks like, though our block currently excludes you and 5-off. I'll try and get that fixed, though.

[Baboon Pride]

Yo Nash Bridges, you still haven't responded to my questions about my super scummy AtE and flailing you saw.

I thought I did. You gained two votes on you and then you super soft claim and you are like I want a night to live. Like there's no town motivation to do that. None. None what's so ever. It felt like scum flailing to me.

~M

Hint: that's because it is.

[Baboon Pride]

^-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

VOTE: AK

from what it looks like, ATM though, the two people who are most likely to get lynched is Trouble and AK, though I would much rather have trouble lynched over AK. soft PR seems legit, and if anything, we could just lynch him tomorrow. Trouble on the other hand, is just...

[Baboon Pride]

To be fair I don't have any willingness to be in a block that's not willing to work with me. It's not fair plus I'm too confident on my non town reads and before that's sorted I don't want to be in a block because go forbid I'm wrong again (like I was in xmen) I rather not let it come bite me in the ass.

~M

the only person who would matter is me. And Ceph, but mostly me. I am willing to work with you, figure out where you stand, and find a compromise that fits with all members

[Baboon Pride]

I think you're at L-4 with me off.

I don't really understand the Baboon jump from FT to AK if you prefer FT and you still think the FT lynch was viable

-b

I don't really either to be honest, although I don't think it looks like FT is getting lynched today. I don't feel like I'm really allowed to use our vote.
-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

Nashville, you are making absolutely no sense right now whatsoever. I agree with pretty much everything SK said.

-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

My character is on TV because he is a magician, but the flavor hints that he found a real spellbook.

Okay, this is most likely bullshit. Unless there are two magicians, one of the two character flavors I didn't out is also a magician.
What's his name?

Maximillian

Holy shit, I just exposed scum.
Baboon Pride is maxmillian in my role PM
VOTE: Anatole

Anatole either has the same role PM as baboopride, or the mod fucked up.

Um.

We're Alex. Not a magician of any sort.

[Baboon Pride]

'Here's all the ways FT is a better lynch than AK, vote AK' post ASAP.

*dials M for Mara*

[Baboon Pride]

I dont rememebr what I was thinking when I voted anatole

Me... obv...

This noise shit is rediculous, though and I dont even get half the stuff that is flying around.

Am also curious to why ft took the role name for face value when it should have been apperent that it was false, due to the lack of the word "intern"

[Baboon Pride]

VOTE: FT

[Baboon Pride]

I think it might have been something along thr lines of, block wasnt going to help me out with FT anytime soon and claim aside, I had no other reason to call anatole town, which is generally dangerous

[Baboon Pride]

Bee isn't going to happen

Fonz actually might.

I don't remember why I was town-reading him, but it does kinda feel like his posts in swagton?

I'd like to have Ika dead, but Ceph disagree's with me there

collectively, it seems like our top choices are AK, FT, and Csareo

I am not as inclined to really follow through with AK though and will only lynch him via deadline

Ree and Fonz would also be acceptable deadline lynches, Ree less so, though

[Baboon Pride]

top choices Tammy?

[Baboon Pride]

because at this point, I kinda just want someone not a town-read, dead. this day has been dragged out for far to long, IMO

pedit: kay, who else would you mind lynching?

[Baboon Pride]

I think titus coming out was a bad idea. Realizing who she is, I am kinda hesitant to keep her and mala at godtown status mostly due to who she is, still wouldn't wanna lynch her though.

Am incredibly amazed by the fact mala hadn't actually slipped. as far as my read on her goes, it mostly had to do with her interaction with tammy. There are very few people who are willing to push her as scum, which made it a somewhat strong read earlier on, as well as difussing a fight before it could get any worse. coincidentally, I definitely do not think mala wild be one of those players who would push tammy, she lacks the guts and her trying to diffuse a fight before it could get any worse is something I expect from town her.

Mala is also less resistant to town wants as scum, so her refusing to drop the gimmick and keep themselves private until recently seems like it's coming from a pro-town mindset.

Also, as scum she is much more manipulative and I fail to see where her targets would be. anyone with enough experience to know the entire base pretty much is, iirc so that was kinda a town-tell for me to.

[Baboon Pride]

I did say you outting made my read on you stronger, yes.

[Baboon Pride]

Ffery, iso FT and then vote him

[Baboon Pride]

I am resident all knowing female shaman of the pridelands.

[Baboon Pride]

I am on my phone, but seriously, iso him and tell me what you think

[Baboon Pride]

Uh

town

[Baboon Pride]

Also, you don't think that he isn't able to fake that as scum?

[Baboon Pride]

Gossamer
Nashville
Cutty
5-off
Lissa

Fonz
Bee

Ree
Csareo

F-16
AK
Ika

lets start here.

here was my realist from forever ago. Fonz moved down to maybe scum and Ika has moved up to null

[Baboon Pride]

ffery!

Nashville, one of your heads (I can't be arsed to keep you straight) said they had never seen me as scum, but regardless of which of you said it, that's not true. (Either ASOIAF or NY 164)

-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

It's strange to me that HB is becoming a legitimate wagon. I feel like she's your standard low charisma day 1 lynch. Much prefer FT/AK/Nashville. I know I'm not super engaged here, but, it looks to me like we need to start consolidating.

-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

@ffery-

Also, I think it was Falcon who brought it up, but I dont particularly care about wether or not 5-off has played mafia before ms, he is new

here

and that means he is new to a whole different level of mafia. I had two years experience prior to coming on here, i have made it known, and I always had a confident scum-game but it doesnt change the genuine tone that happened when he assumed everyone else had the same info in their pm that hr had in his, and it closely matches tje genuineness I had when claiming scum in wingate mansion (not sure if you read that game, but you can run it by tammy)

I believe this is where Mara's treatment of 5-off comes from, and for what it's worth, I agreed with her when she brought this up. I treat MS-new people as new, though if someone told me they were from MTGS (the only other place I remotely respect), I might care slightly.

-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

(Though I don't agree that any of it particularly makes 5-off town)

[Baboon Pride]

I was just about to semi-seriously suggest we just lynch him instead XD

(hint: he replaced scum, did weird claim things and is getting townread for something that has zero bearing on his alignment)

-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

I know you said you were gonna get down to business, but who are you and what have you done with ffery?

-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

Oh, I don't think I ever vocalized this, but ika is really pretty town, and I think Nashville's insistence on continuing to rag on him/induce more rage is scummy.

-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

This is true, I don't believe we have.

I do know that I've used "I always replace in in such and such a way" as an excuse before

-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

(But given that you're the queen meta hound in this town, I'm sure it's actually true )

(-Ceph)

[Baboon Pride]

1004 was about A) the fact that I constantly add worthless modifiers like that as town, and B) an ongoing game.

-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

Csareo how did you go about choosing your 4 players?

I was under the impression no choice was involved. I believe the claim is informed townie or something.

-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

Titus, I'm sincerely interested in hearing you try to compare this to my scum game. Are you sure you haven't completely forgotten it?

I'll deadline lynch pretty much anyone who is currently remotely viable, since I'm only very against lynching Fonz/Cutty/gossamer/Lissa/I guess ffery?

ika is clearly town but I also don't want him in the game if he's going to continue acting like a child.

-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

I'm around to hammer if need be :/

-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

Thanks for reminding me about Baboon.
Ceph, why, upon the hood being outted, did you go "I can't do my clever hood plan now!" ? I thought about it and the hood being outted didn't really hurt your plan whatsoever. What hurt it was when you told us what the plan would have been. Why didn't you just keep going with the plan?

Because:
-There was no longer even the slightest smidge of trust going on there anymore
-All activity there ceased permanently the moment we were outted
-I had to come out in public re: my belief that FT was the scum neighbor, which would make the whole thing worthless

These flips are sort of breaking my head, but the first thing that comes to mind is the large number of big scary town players who didn't get shot.

-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

Are we? I don't feel like a big scary town player.

-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

(Even if we do count, though, I'm invited to wonder why scum would shoot either of the players they might have)

P-edit: Well, I think there literally has to be because of 5-off's role info. However, we're not scum, and I don't think Lissa is scum, so the possibility of a lurking neighbor is looking a lot more like a thing.

-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

This is a reminder to myself to go over the scum iso with a fine toothed comb. Heh, get it, comb.

-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

Thanks for reminding me about Baboon.
Ceph, why, upon the hood being outted, did you go "I can't do my clever hood plan now!" ? I thought about it and the hood being outted didn't really hurt your plan whatsoever. What hurt it was when you told us what the plan would have been. Why didn't you just keep going with the plan?

Because:
-There was no longer even the slightest smidge of trust going on there anymore
-All activity there ceased permanently the moment we were outted
-I had to come out in public re: my belief that FT was the scum neighbor, which would make the whole thing worthless

These flips are sort of breaking my head, but the first thing that comes to mind is the large number of big scary town players who didn't get shot.

-Ceph

You know, you and Mara are one of the big scary town players, right?

Are we? I did nothing but push town to death yesterday.

[Baboon Pride]

Also, marascum will never kill through her scum-reads, never ever~

[Baboon Pride]

VOTE: fonz

[Baboon Pride]

Our vote sucks. Then again, I'm barely paying attention (sorry :S).

-Ceph