Breaking Bad season 1 - Game over

[Beck]

beck is still town but its true that you *are* stubborn beck

What you call Stubborn, I call confident

[Beck]

vote: Ree

Since nobody wants to vote rob/dark

That should be l-2 btw

[Beck]

Voting shos wasn't scummy and my vote on Ree isn't opportunistic cause I was voting him earlier and he's one of my largest scum reads.

I guess that's just you seeing what you want to see...

[Beck]

Hop had better reasons to vote shos then say rob did but nobody questions rob do they? No.

[Beck]

The reasons for lynching shos were well-established, it's unfair and disingenuous to accuse someone of voting without reasoning when all of the players voting him were voting him for the same three posts.

back to this since it's relevant to my most recent post.

Why are you assuming you know why rob voted? Why is hop's day 1 play scummier than rob's?

[Beck]

...furthermore he says this in his case:

btw I don't think you were actually reading because I rob said this

it's not like I'm hopping on fully formed wagons. I'm helping start them with 1-2 other people, at times

and me saying

so there are 3 examples of opportunistic votes from Rob

was just me proving rob wasn't telling the truth.

I guess that is just you seeing what you want to see...

[Beck]

And you chose to selectively ignore the portion where I specifically said my activity is NOT reflected in the voting history because there have been several instances where I started pressure, that pressure helped lead to votes from other players, and THEN I put my vote on. You can't randomly ignore the fact that I was pushing Ree before anyone voted him, for instance.

The first time you pushed ree, he already had 2 votes on him (mantis & myself)

so you want to try again perhaps?

[Beck]

Eh, not to play devil's advocate to the person calling me town, but that was also a year ago, and relying on meta from that long ago is not great. And I'm aware enough of my meta that using it on me is probably bad unless I'm giving off a secret tell I don't know about. Also, I tend to try-hard as scum, too. So there are a lot of reasons that your above reasoning is probably not good. Your thoughts in response to that?

I had to look up that game to remember it, but yeah, it's coming back to me. I got fucked by some quality night actions from the town. That was a bittersweet game - my day game was pretty good, and it sucked that it fell apart in 5 minutes during the night. But that's life, I suppose.

Scum don't say stuff like that. Your play has been townie for me for the most part. You seem to share many of my views on other players. All in all, I still find you readable. Of course, I could be entirely wrong but I like our 4-man coalition and feel that it's rooted in towniousity.

If you really want, I'll even admit I was trying to kill your wagon to get more votes on the players I think are

actually

scummy.

Day is getting stagnant. We need some L-1's up in here.

If scum want to play convincingly they absolutely say stuff like that.

I agree, and why didn't you acknowledge that, Ree? You're a good enough player to know that I'd say

exactly

that as scum. It's a null tell, and I don't really like how you're spinning it in the direction of town.

And in summary,

I BELIEVE
I BELIEVE THAT
I BELIEVE THAT WE
I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN
I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN LYNCH
I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN LYNCH HOPKIRK

The Beck kill, if real, is pretty good too. If fake, Ree is likely scum, I think.

This is the first 2 posts where you start to have a negative view of Mr. Ree.

look at the VC that came right after those 2 posts.

Official Vote Count

Rob13

(3): hiplop, toolenduso, Hopkirk

Hopkirk

(2): Rob13, Albert B. Rampage

Beck

(2): Mr_Ree, DarkLightA

Mr_Ree

(2): Mantisdreamz, Beck

DarkLightA

(1): Cuttlefish

Not Voting

(2): -Eek- I am a Belgian -_-, Salamence20

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

(expired on 2014-08-23 15:06:59)

till Day 2 Deadline

so yeah that's yet another lie from you

[Beck]

For instance, I didn't vote Ree first IIRC, but I did start pressuring/pushing at him first in an attempt to discern alignment.

THIS STATEMENT IS 100% NOT FACTUAL

[Beck]

It does when he tried to reinforce it with post 907.

[Beck]

Albert. You obviously don't think he's lying so you can show me which wagons he was responsible for starting right ?

[Beck]

642 is a push, if you didn't recognize that. I was questioning whether his read of me was genuine.

Of course, I'm not going to come out and say "YOU'RE NOT GENUINE WTF" because more subtle methods are almost always better for catching scum. But take another look at the post, and it is clearly a push.

But nobody voted Ree for that question so in no way does that count as pressure.

[Beck]

Everyone but Tool was voting him for those post IIRC. Tool voted in RVS for "having an awesome wiki" but didn't move his vote or comment while the wagon grew.

I wasn't voting him for those reasons

Nvm that last post.

Outside of those three posts that you

were not

voting him for, why do you say Shos wasn't playing like town? As in, How was shos playing like scum?

Because I didn't feel he was. Call it gut

[Beck]

Also your recent posts just look like you want to discredit Rob as much as possible.

1. rvs
*2. put Shos at L-1 for no reason -
3. mantis vote to start day 2, 1 person on the wagon (this only lasts 10 posts btw)
*4. sheeps ree and puts 3rd vote on hopkirk (wagon only got to 4)(10 posts later from previous vote)
*5. puts 4th vote on mr. Ree
6. Starts the hopkirk wagon back up

so there are 3 examples of opportunistic votes from Rob

2. The reasons for lynching shos were well-established, it's unfair and disingenuous to accuse someone of voting without reasoning when all of the players voting him were voting him for the same three posts.
5. He was one of the first people to call Ree scum if the kill was fake, so it's hardly an opportunistic vote.

I agree, not just the recent posts though. He's been trying to discredit numerous players throughout the game.

I haven't discredited anyone actually.

[Beck]

Don't you get it, Ree? He doesn't want to answer that question because it isn't convenient.

As an aside, I kind of think this game is multiball based on my reads/interactions, but at the same time, that makes no sense due to the lack of nightkill. Hmm. Breaking Bad does lend itself well to multiball.

Been noticing that quite a few inconvenient questions are getting skipped.

I'm not skipping anything. I forgot to get back to that question when I got to work.

[Beck]

Why did you go back and answer that post? Especially while ignoring more recent ones?

Because I realized I didn't reply to it earlier.

[Beck]

I believe (and have stated this before, I thought) that my questioning of Ree led to his attempt to look town (i.e. his gambit), which led to votes. One does not randomly gambit as scum for no reason. We can argue what exactly led to votes, but that doesn't matter at all, and you know that. You're claiming I lied about pushing. This is what I was referring to as a push, and it is VERY reasonable to consider this to be me locking onto Ree as possible scum.

Further, you're not trying to determine my alignment. You're trying to find any technicality, which is exactly what I tend to do as scum, funnily enough. Weird how that works. Your original point was that I was following people onto wagons. Here is evidence I was looking at Ree before the wagon started. Instead of incorporating that into your read, you're arguing over the definition of a push and whether I lied about ever taking one. You're not looking at the evidence and how it relates to your original claim. That's extremely telling.

Nevermind, don't need to see Hopkirk first. I'm pretttty damn sure about Beck now.

VOTE: Beck

1. asking a person a question imo is not a push so what you did isn't a push in my opinion
2. I have already determined your alignment so no I am not trying to determine it anymore. There was a time when I was trying to determine it and that resulted in providing me enough information to think you are scum.
3. you were following people on wagons, you did not start a single wagon yourself except for the more recent hopkirk wagon but people were already to policy lynch him anyway and it didn't really have anything to do with anything you said.
4. I did look at the evidence, the evidence supports that you didn't actually make a push on anyone and that you are lying through your teeth.

[Beck]

The more sense I make the scummier I look ? Wtf?

I'm posting nothing but truths

[Beck]

I did. Everything rob claims he did aren't true and I supported it with evidence. How I look scummy for proving him wrong is beyond me.

[Beck]

If town want to ignore the guy who has repeatedly lied, that's on them. As long as lies get posted, I'm going to call them out. I don't care how scummy it makes me look

[Beck]

Beck is either dumb town or scum, and I'm willing to give him enough credit to not consider him dumb town. For now.

Beck, it's not lying for me to have a different definition of push from you, especially when your definition of push is really weird and no one shares it. <3

Why you gotta result to insults?

[Beck]

I'm honestly considering whether Beck is intentionally posting in ways that don't make sense to try to make his earlier inconsistencies in his pushes against me be more understandable when looking at his whole body of work. If so, that's actually a pretty damn good play.

Everything I have posted makes sense though. You weren't pushing Ree and you certainly weren't responsible for his wagon growing. You can only claim responsibility for 1 wagon but as I said people were already wiling to go back to him. You also say you weren't late to wagons but that's not true either as you were late to multiple wagons.

I'm not making this up, it's right in plain view

[Beck]

Even if somebody could manage to convince me he's town, he wants to lynch hop and I'm not into lynching him today. All my scum reads want him lynched so that raises red flags plus not a single good reason (IN MY OPINION) has been provided for him.

[Beck]

I can't remember if it's beck or derpy but I definitely got lynched for attacking bad reasonings and accused of defending them. 1. I was right 2. I believe the person who accused me of defending was scum (not 100% on this one though)

I'll look later

[Beck]

The more sense I make the scummier I look ? Wtf?

I'm posting nothing but truths

it's true beck.. cause you are like, in fisticuffs mode at all times. it appears defensive..imo.

but i also think that scum want to take advantage of this

rob is an exception though... cause i think he's falling prey to the way you are playing, and seeing it as scum-defense

So being aggressive is actually defensive?

[Beck]

If you see people giving reasons that you know aren't scum tells or even alignment related, regardless of your read on the person. Would you speak out and say so?

[Beck]

I know they aren't scum tells or alignment related cause I have hammered people as both alignments and seen both alignments hammer. That's null. Going from cautious about rushing the day to hammering is the only thing you have and that isn't enough in my opinion. The reasons from rob just weren't true from my POV and I've seen nothing else.

So it looks like a weak case on somebody who hammered shos who deservered it.

[Beck]

The reasons for lynching shos were well-established, it's unfair and disingenuous to accuse someone of voting without reasoning when all of the players voting him were voting him for the same three posts.

back to this since it's relevant to my most recent post.

Why are you assuming you know why rob voted? Why is hop's day 1 play scummier than rob's?

a) Because the reasons for the shos lynch were well-established.
b) I think that Hopkirk is town. I also think that he is a liability that needs to be removed from the game at some point.

1. Never assume, plus this gives everyone including scum a free pass. That's bad
2.

[Beck]

642 is a push, if you didn't recognize that. I was questioning whether his read of me was genuine.

Of course, I'm not going to come out and say "YOU'RE NOT GENUINE WTF" because more subtle methods are almost always better for catching scum. But take another look at the post, and it is clearly a push.

But nobody voted Ree for that question so in no way does that count as pressure.

???????

He said he pushed people and wagons formed cause of it. That's not true.

[Beck]

The more sense I make the scummier I look ? Wtf?

I'm posting nothing but truths

it's true beck.. cause you are like, in fisticuffs mode at all times. it appears defensive..imo.

but i also think that scum want to take advantage of this

rob is an exception though... cause i think he's falling prey to the way you are playing, and seeing it as scum-defense

So being aggressive is actually defensive?

I think she's going for the cornered animal angle.

Except I'm not cornered. I'm not even scurred.

[Beck]

@cuttle - So much fail from you. Like wow

[Beck]

Tier - dark is scum

[Beck]

And you're settling for ree then? Super lame.

And no. I've never had a certain-town read be scum and now won't be the day. Scum'll have to NK me before securing that mislynch.

Both are scum though

[Beck]

Would you defend a null read when it looked like four others were positive they had a case on him? Questions lead to understanding. I need to understand why Beck would, even if I have to get him rage posting to do it.

1. Nobody had a "case" on him, just a couple mediocre reason

2. Why question me over and over if I gave the same response over and over? I told you why I did it. You can't understand why I did it despite me telling you why I did it, that's not my problem.

3. What I can't understand is why you actually think scum would defend ANYONE in that situation.

Assume I'm scum and I know you 4 are town (or 3 and 1 is my buddy) what do I have to gain from stopping that wagon? Nothing, even if hop was my buddy, I'd look better if I bussed him. What I did makes 0 sense from a scum pov. The only thing anyone can bring up is white knighting, but seriously? Wk'ing hopkirk? No

So what actually happened is i had a null/townish read on hop and I decided he got a free pass for day 2. I then see him getting attacked by what I perceive for his hammer of a shos and I say to myself, that's a scum driven push. That was my true gut reaction and I acted on it. The reasons were bad. Some were not even true (rob's reasons) so I spoke out. That's not scum motivated. That's 100% town motivated.

What I think is Albert wanted a reaction test when he said "trust me" and scum saw that and felt like they should jump on. At first I thought ree looked townier than rob, since rob sheeped a 2nd time and added bs reasons (my opinion ) later. Making rob a multiple time sheeper.

Rob didn't do much scum hunting day 1 (I'd argue hop did more) and now it looked like he was trying to just blend in with the cool kids day 2 knowing nobody would question him.

I'd really rather lynch rob today but yall are against it so I'm on ree cause his play throughout the game doesn't make sense from a town pov and I feel his gambit was scum trying for town cred.

To the person who asked me why I thought ree was scum if his day kill was true.

1. I've seen scum day kill before.
2. Cause I was starting to think it was real and I was pissed and wanted him dead for killing me.

Since nothing I can say or do is actually going to change anyone's opinions. I'll just keep letting you guys hash shit out. If you lynch hop, you know where I stand. If you lynch me, same thing.

Got family in town so I'm enjoying my time with them.

[Beck]

You may well be correct that scum wouldn't do it so obviously. However, I don't see it coming from town either.

Congrats. You have learned an example of null.

[Beck]

But really, how can "making a post" mean anything other than "making a post"? You look like you're just trying to awkwardly row your way away from it.

Cause it really looked like he was daring hop...

Just cause you don't agree doesn't mean others can't have a different opinion/viewpoint.

It's like you can only see what you want to see and refuse to consider others viewpoints...

[Beck]

Back from V/LA.

In post 927, hiplop wrote:
i kinda think beck is townb but the more he posts the more scum he looks.

In post 928, Beck wrote:
The more sense I make the scummier I look ? Wtf?

Surely I'm not the only one seeing that Beck is consistently misrepresenting people?

That wasn't me misrepping anyone btw. It's me being confident in myself that I'm making good posts and I'm calling out hiplop trying to discredit me.

[Beck]

...that you were NOT townreading him. No matter how you spin it, that last line implies a scumread, the first line implies a scumread and the middle line states that you have a distaste for his answers.

Colgate you again learn what null means, oh wait we established you already know what it means do why do you keep insisting their are inconsistencies? Null/Township doesn't mean town read just like doesn't have a strong scumread doesn't mean I'm scum reading him.

A person can actually think someone is scummy for something and not actually scum read somebody. If you want to attack me for bad phrasing, go ahead.

And as I already covered, there were no other reasons imo. The only other ones given were rod's which I determined were BS. Anyone with half a brain could make the same determination and actually see that Rob was more guilty of those reasons.

[Beck]

Back from V/LA.

In post 927, hiplop wrote:
i kinda think beck is townb but the more he posts the more scum he looks.

In post 928, Beck wrote:
The more sense I make the scummier I look ? Wtf?

Surely I'm not the only one seeing that Beck is consistently misrepresenting people?

That wasn't me misrepping anyone btw. It's me being confident in myself that I'm making good posts and I'm calling out hiplop trying to discredit me.

Hiplop eh? I'm listening, please go on... What are your thoughts on Hiplop? Independent of your reads on everyone else(as in, on his merits alone), could he be scum? Why or why not? What about Eek?

I already said hip is kinda scummy, has to do with. The ughs. Eek's gotten better now that tier is here

[Beck]

buuuuuuut it doesn't really make sense for dla and beck to be scum together does it.
doop doop

Considering Beck isn't scum at all, that makes no sense

[Beck]

Are you always this arrogant and persistent, Beck?

yes

Back from V/LA.

In post 927, hiplop wrote:
i kinda think beck is townb but the more he

posts

the more scum he looks.

In post 928, Beck wrote:
The more

sense

I make the scummier I look ? Wtf?

Surely I'm not the only one seeing that Beck is consistently misrepresenting people?

That wasn't me misrepping anyone btw. It's me being confident in myself that I'm making good posts and I'm calling out hiplop trying to discredit me.

See the bolded words. That's where you changed the wording. That's where you misrepped.

but see, all my posts make sense...

[Beck]

Vote: hopkirk

Trust me on this.

[Beck]

sorry didn't mean to post that yet. was working on something my bad

[Beck]

You perceived that they were attacking based solely on the hammer, but as Rob and Dark pointed out:

In post 404, Rob13 wrote:
people have repeatedly, myself included, said that the Hopkirk votes are not solely related to the hammer, but he (Beck) repeatedly clings to that in a desperate defense that simply doesn't come from town...

you and others seem to think that other reasons for hop were given aside from the hammer and the situation revolving around the hammer. Let's go to the tape...

Spoiler:

Vote: hopkirk

Trust me on this.

No reason

VOTE: Hopkirk

I'm not understanding your play here. Why did you not want to put Shos at L-1 on day one and then threaten to hammer not even 50 pages later? I understand that you wanted a claim but if you REALLY wanted a claim, you would have waited for one. If you REALLY felt that 100 posts in is too early to put someone at L-1, 50 posts later is not an appropriate time to claim intent.

The Rob13 vote was bad bad bad. Looked like you were looking for a reason to vote Rob specifically. Can you please quote the question you are referring to.

@Rampage: Why are you voting Hopkirk? Were you attempting to derail Sho's wagon when you told him to come vote with you?

1. hammer
2. his vote on rob was bad (chainsaw defense imo)

ok so fine 1 reason not relating to the hammer but that was also a bad reason cause of the whole thinking he asked a question when he actually didn't.

Ree is town, and his rationale is convincing.

VOTE: Hopkirk

Sheep (at least the 2nd time rob has done this btw)

I've spent some time going through ISOs now and I agree with Mr Ree. I still don't like Mantis' play, including his recent responses. He went from not willing to put shos on L-1 because of the deadline being 19 days away in 98 to stating intent to hammer in 147 and hammering in 167, not 12 hours later.

@Ree: 141 and 232

I fail to see any relevance to the argument in these posts. Can you explain it to me?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Hopkirk

Hammering too quickly.


Rob did add reasons later but those reasons better describe rob's own play than it did describing hop's imo

None of these are viable reasons to lynch somebody in my opinion. As I said, it felt like a policy lynch because he hammered quickly.

[Beck]

dat hammer without a claim

[Beck]

vote: dark

[Beck]

he was never given a chance to claim

[Beck]

I seriously don't buy that you aren't up to speed at this point.

[Beck]

he was never given a chance to claim

That makes very little sense. When he got to L-2 and L-1, why was the roll not slowed?

he was placed at L-1, somebody even pointed it out in a round about way, rampage hammered.

Ask rampage why he didn't slow his roll

[Beck]

vote: dark

Second crazy question, where did this come from?

I guess you should read the game and you will know where that came from.

[Beck]

vote: dark

Second crazy question, where did this come from?

I guess you should read the game and you will know where that came from.

I read the dead cop. He seemed to think Dark was town.

I read EEk, he was calling Dark town early on and null later on.

Before I read dark, and reach an independent conclusion, I'm asking where your Dark vote came from, as it is in direct contrast to the two flipped town.

He's one of my scum reads and has been. You would know that if you read the game like I said.

[Beck]

^had the same thought which is why I'm not voting to right now. He's still remains a top scum read though.

@pere- it's been covered do again READ THE THREAD

[Beck]

VOTE: Hopkirk

Mod: V/LA until 31. august. Sorry about the long absence. If required, you may replace me out. I'd like to stay though.

Beck, you're tunneling like fuck.

And?

[Beck]

I mean you are tunneling like fuck also

[Beck]

why would he pull a gambit like that if hes the fucking cop

What gambit?

READ THE THREAD

[Beck]

READ THE THREAD

This x 1,000,000

[Beck]

Yes that's a Gambit, an overused one but one nonetheless

[Beck]

Monday I need to remember to iso hip/tool/rampage

[Beck]

Nah rob's vote is good

[Beck]

Probably but he's my top scum read so I kinda gotta vote him

[Beck]

how is that not a gambit?

1135

Just cause you say it's not one doesn't mean it's not one. Overused or not, it's a gambit.

[Beck]

Why make such a useless post?

[Beck]

It's a filler post. Makes him look like he's being useful.

[Beck]

That post wasn't being useful

[Beck]

Can say the same about yours

[Beck]

how is it useless??

Because it wasn't useful

[Beck]

vote: peregrine

His actions don't read town to me

[Beck]

1) Top suspect of town cop.
2) Helped to lynched town cop
3) Helped to lynched VT
4) Unwillingness to provide source of Dark vote
5) Unwillingness to interact
6) Horrible iso

Even now, by voting Beck I earned 3 votes on me.

you have to be mafia with a post like this

[Beck]

1) Top suspect of town cop.
2) Helped to lynched town cop
3) Helped to lynched VT
4) Unwillingness to provide source of Dark vote
5) Unwillingness to interact
6) Horrible iso

Even now, by voting Beck I earned 3 votes on me.

you have to be mafia with a post like this

and now that I am at a computer I can explain.

1. Actually coming in Hopkirk was the cop's prime suspect. The only reason why Ree flipped on me is because I called his reasons for suspecting hop bad (cause they were) and because I was essentially annoying him stopping a hopkirk wagon (in reality all I did was call a spade a spade. Calling reasons bad regardless of my read on the person is perfectly acceptable. Any townie who says otherwise is basically condoning policy lynches and/or lynches for bad reasoning and they suck

2. So did a bunch of other people, this means jack shit

3. so did a bunch of other people, this means jack shit

4. This one is an outright lie because I have given my reasons why I think dark is scum. In fact Mr. Ree and I had a conversation on that very thing. All I did was ask you to read the thread and you would see those reasons. The fact that you couldn't be bothered to read the thread means you aren't town because I expect townies to actually pay attention.

5. I have not been unwilling to interact with anyone, except maybe you because you refuse to read the thread and refusing to read the thread to me means scum and I have no interest in interacting with scum. I have interacted with every other person.

6. My iso is full of me scum hunting, calling out things I consider scummy, defending things that I don't think is scummy, and trying to lynch my top scum reads. Nice try though

[Beck]

Crazy question, but how was the cop lynched yesterday?

I seriously don't buy that you aren't up to speed at this point.

No, I came back, it was night, the town cop was lynched.

Prior to that, shos was lynched. Since shos is mostly a scumread to everyone but I can tell when he is town, that didn't surprise me. No kill night1 was good.

Now, I'm curious as to how the town cop got lynched.

These posts do not come from a townie.

[Beck]

That's OK. I'd expect townies to link me to what they think is important. You know, because it's important. It would have even saved you the trouble of repeating yourself. But instead, you have no interest in scumhunting, or in anyone else doing the same.

I believe most townie wouldn't spoonfeed a player who obviously had no interest in the game that the couldn't spend the extremely long 72 hour night phase to catchup...

Most townie have no tolerance for lazy people nor should they. You disrespect the game by not catching up, you get disrespected by me

[Beck]

Here are just a few posts that I could find from my phone. So you see if somebody had umm ACTUALLY READ THE GAME THREAD, they would have seen I have provided reasons for my read.

Spoiler:

Not sure I understand all of that but the hammer was protown to me so he gets a pass day 2. Dark hasn't done anything and his reaction to shos was a scum claim.

Also ladies and gentelman

it didn't get to L-1. but be sure to check my wagon if I flip scum.

rephrasing:
it didn't get to L-1. but I defended the possible attack on the wagon, so if I flip scum, you should search for my scumbuddies on this buswagon.

...that's irrelevant because I'm not going to, so no worries.

Dear lord you're making this complicated. I can't figure out how this would come from town. Then again, I don't think scum would be stupid enough to post it. Argh..

Back for more uggs.

I slept on it, and I've convinced myself that shos is scum. Still can't figure out why scum would make that post, but I definitely can't figure out why town would.

Well that escalated quickly
VOTE: ABR

That was a false claim, intended to see who takes the bait and jumps on asap. Guess who.

I wasn't convinced after your initial 'slip', but you're convincing me now. What is your role, and what is your flavor?

these posts imo don't come from a town mindset, especially when dark says he is convinced himself shos is scum but he doesn't vote him. Why would he not vote someone he just said was scum? Shos had 5 votes so he wasn't hammering him. I honestly felt like he was trying to stoke the fire but keep his hands clean.

my justification to support this is my own personal experience.

and yes there probably was scum on the wagon, I just don't know which one so i'd rather pressure and possibly lynch the person I felt came off the scummiest day 1.

Dear lord you're making this complicated. I can't figure out how this would come from town. Then again, I don't think scum would be stupid enough to post it. Argh..

this post doesn't come from somebody who is town imo and it sounds really silly but the argh at the end of the sentence makes it seem fake to me


p.edit - yes I honestly do believe it and no I am not going to go through all of my old games to prove anything to you.

so if you really are dead set on lynching hopkirk, your time is better spent convincing somebody else.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mantisdreamz

All you're doing is pointing fingers. You have literally no case against Mr_Ree. I don't like how certain you appear based on your lack of evidence.
Also, that may be the most consecutive posts I have seen.

I mean you had no case on hop and you were pretty sure he was scum...

[Beck]

The way ree hard defended rob makes me think he's the cop clear which is why I'm not voting him now.

[Beck]

Vote: hiplop.

I swear i think you think I'm scum, yet don't vote me, weird

[Beck]

Vote: hiplop.

I swear i think you think I'm scum, yet don't vote me, weird

I'm allowed to have more than one suspect.

Right but you have kinda just sat on the sidelines. You don't look sincere and lack of sincerity is a slight scumtell.

[Beck]

Also afaik you don't think I'm scum so your attacks against me are really odd.

Where did you get that impression?

[Beck]

Just cause I didn't say it yet doesn't mean I don't. You have been in my scummy pile for a while and now since 2 of my scum reads are no longer, you moved up the list.

And no saying u are full of fail doesn't imply that I'm town reading you.

[Beck]

If you were town, you would have started acting like it ages ago

[Beck]

See you have given no case, not even a viable reason for hiplop and I don't really see you trying to convince anyone either. These are things townies do. Berate players is something scum does

[Beck]

If hiplop is scum you are his partner bussing

[Beck]

so this is basically all you say about hiplop (mentioning him or quoting him)

you sure are running with this huh

hiplop is probably scum with DLA.

Yeah, I had hiphop as scum at that point for his tangential push on Rob while lurking; his posts look better now and I think he's town.

This is a really bad post. So many uggs.
Can we please go back to talking about the ughs? They're definitely scummy, it's a way for scum to fake deliberation in their post whereas town would just deliberate BEFORE posting. It makes sense!

it was tongue-in-cheek, dude.

- this was referring to the above post

Distancing from Beck.

- this is where you quote something he says about me.

Just skimmed, saw there was the potential for a hiplop wagon.
Vote: hilpol
Going to read everything else closer tomorrow. Will probably reread toolen's stuff since I've been skimming it all day and I can't think off the top of my head who makes sense as a partner to Beck and hilpololp.

Vote: hiplop.

and that's basically it.

so the fact that you say this

Judging by your iso I wouldn't expect you to know useful if it punched you in the face, Beck.

yet can't even manage to provide 1 single reason why hip is your top scumread makes me

and if you are town than it really makes me because that means you probably are not playing towards your win condition.

[Beck]

I mean you *just* finished saying that you've had me in your scummy pile for a while despite not saying anything about it, but somehow it becomes scummy when I neglect to say exactly why I think someone is scum.
okayyyyyy

You do see the huge difference right? I'm not voting you, I'm not trying to get you lynched.

You have probably said more negative things about me yet your vote is on hip who you've barely said anything.

Like I said, if you are town you aren't playing to find scum and I consider that playing against your win condition.

You have basically been a tree stump all game

[Beck]

Also, all that shit you've said about how I've been sitting at the sidelines, etc.? Could easily be applied to hiplop. Funny how I'm on your scum list and he's not.
(hint to everyone else: look at this when one of Beck/hiplop flip scum!)

Nice deflection.

[Beck]

Please make a legit case on hiplop.

[Beck]

Nice deflection

[Beck]

Post game if you are town I will be reporting you. Good day

[Beck]

And to make you happy I'll report hiplop also

[Beck]

-Presence on both mislynches

why do people insist on using this against people? I see it all the time and it literally means nothing.


also for the record, hopkirk isn't a cop guilty cause there is no way a cop would ever change his vote to somebody else if he has a guilty so your logic is 100% flawed on that aspect.


If a pere wagon doesn't go through i'd be ok with your lynch, when I read your posts I don't see town motivation.


what makes this game suck is we literally have like 5 or 6 people who have no interest in finding scum and that makes me want to replace out and regret ever coming back

[Beck]

It's easy to complain about the thread, but you get more out of it by making people do stuff instead.

It's not my job to make people play the game.

[Beck]

Right but I'm voting scum so. Obviously most of those 6 aren't scum at most 2 of the 6 are scum

[Beck]

Wouldn't surprise me at all

[Beck]

So, in this game, Ragnarok got a cop guilty on Armageddon. Here was his trajectory the next day:

That literally makes me sad

[Beck]

VOTE: hopkirk

toolenduso's post about mr_ree's interactions made me buy this. He did a fakeday-kill to get hopkirk to die. That has got to be it.

Hopkirk + (Peregine/Beck/Albert/Rob)

That doesn't even make sense.

It actually kinda does.

[Beck]

Cause he had an ace up his sleeve plus I really don't think he thought it would get him a negative reaction

[Beck]

So you admit voting me is hypocritical then vote me.

Our behavior being similar doesn't mean our intent is the same.

I mean when you compare the two hands down yours was worse...

[Beck]

I hammered the cop before he had a chance to claim. I realize that Beck, thank you for your input.

But you were town reading him iirc

[Beck]

VOTE: hopkirk

toolenduso's post about mr_ree's interactions made me buy this. He did a fakeday-kill to get hopkirk to die. That has got to be it.

Hopkirk + (Peregine/Beck/Albert/Rob)

That doesn't even make sense.

It actually kinda does.

Please explain to me then, in little words, how Ree fakekilling you was supposed to get Hopkirk lynched.
I read tool's interactions post, and it didn't say... that. It said that his argument with you stemmed from your position on Hopkirk. And even that was a weak argument, as tool admits.

Something like

He gets town cred, people stop listening to me, people sheep him and hop dies.

It backfired obviously cause instant towncred for bad gambit don't happen anymore

[Beck]

Btw something I want to note about the difference between Hopkirk and Albert is the way they came into the following day. Hopkirk came in with an excuse and a vote. Albert came in with an explanation, and waited a bit to vote.

And?

[Beck]

Albert is probably town is all!

I really don't see him doing anything that looks pro-town, how do you come to this conclusion? I honestly can't tell the difference between you, him, or hiplop with regards to "helping town find scum"

And considering the fact that he voted for hiplop and you again before returning to Hopkirk means it really probably is not what he was going for.
I think he just thought you were scum.

trust me on this one, he didn't really think i was scum, he was just REALLY annoyed by me that he wanted to get rid of me and didn't care if I was town.

[Beck]

IT'S REAL

Sure...

[Beck]

I haven't been hypocritical at all and nothing about my play would shock or disgust anyone because I am literally one of the ONLY people trying to find and lynch scum.

but you are probably scum so carry on

[Beck]

See I have played with rampage before and this is NOT his town play, granted that game was from 2011 but unless he has taken a MAJOR step back, this isn't his pro-town play.

Cuttle - Your play can hardly be described as pro-town either because you have done absolutely no scum hunting and you can't even muster up a decent reason for why you are voting hiplop. The only reason you have given is something you are guilty of yourself (and you call me a hypocrite?) and you probably have more reasons for voting me but for some reason you don't. I really think you are just trying to avoid every mislynch so you can hold it over our heads

Hiplop - useless and isn't scum hunting and if i were the mod I would have forced replaced him a long time ago.

Hopkirk - really isn't scum hunting anymore either and has become useless

Dark - somebody accused hop of lurking to avoid pressure (or something similar) the same thing could be said about dark. Plus no scum hunting from him

tool - the only thing productive he has done all game is make a post that outlines his thoughts on Ree's investigation targets, but that doesn't help anyone because nobody knows what ree did or what his results are.

mantis - other than his buddying of me day 2, I honestly can't remember anything he has said.

Pere - his day start posts reak of scum and nothing he has posted since has improved his slot. I also think somebody called him out for not contributing and he tried to overcompensate by over contributing. that reads scummy to me also.


Rob is the only one I am not willing to vote today because I think that Ree investigated him. His play day 3 is improved over his day 1/2


This game is fucked. Whoever else is town has not only failed me but failed the remainder of the town players and it really sucks that such an awesome theme is being flushed down the toilet due to bad play.

I hope I see improvement before the end of the day tomorrow or I'm going to replace out (not an idle threat so mod please start looking)

[Beck]

It's not cause things arent going my way, it's cause more than half of the players aren't actually playing the game and since there are probably 3 scum, that's multiple people playing against their win condition in my opinion

[Beck]

please replace out.

25] No asking for Mod kills

or asking for someone to be replaced

(outside of lack of activity replacements)

so what is his punishment?

[Beck]

hm guess i should answer this.

You didn't answer it.

[Beck]

Why do you think he's scum?

[Beck]

Vote :Cuttlefish

[Beck]

No I have, useless iso isn't good enough when you have 6 people including yourself guilty of it

[Beck]

aw shoot
well have you ever considered that i might be another cop, and that that's why i haven't said anything about hiplop?

Another cop? Lol

[Beck]

I'm pretty obviously town cuttlefish

no you aren't

[Beck]

if we didn't already have 1 obscure character in this game, i'd probably say that was BS but apparently the mod is scraping the bottom of the barrel with some of these names.

[Beck]

I'm going to be claiming today anyway, might as well do it now.

Vanilla Townie
Bogdan Wolynetz
The car wash owner

I thought the car wash wasn't until later in the show.

Nope he was working at the car was the first season

[Beck]

Oops, didn't get a pedit notification

[Beck]

glad to see my gut read on hop was right and looks like my cuttle/pere scum reads are spot on. Started off slow but i'm finding my groove now.

[Beck]

he said he is town after he was hammered, so i'm rolling with that he's not trolling and he's town

[Beck]

he said he is town after he was hammered, so i'm rolling with that he's not trolling and he's town

OK. And your Rob read?

I think he is the cop clear, but I am not 100% so leaning town. I already covered all of this...

somebody needs to

READ THE THREAD

[Beck]

I already answered that too

[Beck]

so my theory was right after all, I was the doc save night 1. After lunch I will be reexamining the people who tried to get me lynched day 2.

[Beck]

vote: cuttle

he's scum

[Beck]

1. because I am conceited a little bit and I felt I was the most obv town player day 1
2. couple of people mentioned/implied how my day 1 play was better than my day 2 play
3. the way mantis was hard defending me day 2 after there being no NK night 1 is my biggest clue. I even questioned him about why he was town reading me because I wasn't sure if he was the doc or he was mafia who tried to kill me. I did know deep in my soul that i was the one mafia tried to kill.

[Beck]

hiplop is probably scum with DLA.

Hiplop is town. DLA is giving me less sinister feelings than yesterday. I'm not willing to vote for Rob today. I could vote for Salamenca or Hopkirk, but I think my vote is best served on Beck.

how on earth can you see beck as scum? tho, i could vote salamence too...

mr ree
DLA
salamence

^in order

I'm also not trying to trick anyone of anything, my play speaks for itself and my play is pretty good compared to you and the others.

I certainly don't think that your play can be characterized as good.

i think it is

lots of other crumbs from mantis about how i am town or he thinks I am town, he pretty much was the only person defending me day 2.

[Beck]

shos

(7): toolenduso, hiplop,

Beck

, Salamence20, Rob13, Albert B. Rampage,

Hopkirk

Mr_Ree

(7): hiplop,

Mantisdreamz

,

Beck

,

-Eek- I am a Belgian -_-

,

Hopkirk

, Rob13, Albert B. Rampage

Hopkirk

(6): DarkLightA, toolenduso, Albert B. Rampage, hiplop, Rob13, Cuttlefish


The hopkirk wagon teaches us nothing because every person on that wagon is alive.

unvote

rampage or rob imo makes the most sense for today's vote

going to think about some things and do some more reading and look at some other wagons to see where people voted.

[Beck]

Day 1 is a waste because of the fast day.

Day 2

Hopkirk

(4): Albert B. Rampage,

Mr_Ree

, Rob13, DarkLightA
DarkLightA (4): Cuttlefish,

Beck, Mantisdreamz,

Salamence20

Hopkirk

(4): Albert B. Rampage,

Mr_Ree,

Rob13, DarkLightA
Rob13 (3): hiplop, toolenduso,

Hopkirk

DarkLightA (4): Cuttlefish,

Beck, Mantisdreamz, Hopkirk

Hopkirk

(3): Albert B. Rampage, Rob13, DarkLightA

^ that Dark wagon was mostly town. Cuttle is idk. Dark is probably scum like I said he was

Not to mention dark/rampage also sheeped Ree day 2 and joined my wagon, so did cuttle (Rampage out right implied it was a sheep, dark accused me of something that he was guilty of himself, and cuttle said "back to beck" despite never being on beck to begin with)

ok now I really have to get back to work.

[Beck]

Idk what that means

Btw it's probably Mylo

[Beck]

We aren't no lynching

[Beck]

I'll respond to darks post when I get to a computer

[Beck]

Because there's no point to it plus we have a near clear today which we won't have tomorrow

[Beck]

Beck, don't get me wrong, I really really want to lynch you. But there is no other acceptable play in this position but no lynch.

Tell me what no gives us that's worth losing a doc protect clear?

You can say whatever you want to try and discredit it, but I'd stake anything on that I was mantis's n1 protect and the way he hard defended me makes it pretty obvious.

[Beck]

Those reads are a bucket of suck.

Actually not really, but one of those are wrong cause Albert is a good shot at scum also

[Beck]

The fact that nobody besides me stands out as obviously town (jus basing this off play quality) is troubling.

[Beck]

Who is the doc protect clear, and what makes them confirmed town? I may have missed something here.

Generally, as long as there is no one 100% confirmed town, no lynching is advantageous.

I am

@cuttle, biyatch please

[Beck]

I know as scum you have to play it off, but it's pretty obvious based off mantis day 2 posts.

[Beck]

Yall can believe it or not, I don't care but based off his posts he doesn't really crumb any harder than he does with me.

For someone who thinks tool's crumb post was so good, you should have tried to look for who mantis was crumbing as the save, that crumb will lead you to 1 person.

Howdy

vote: dark

You are so obviously scum it hurts

[Beck]

Depends how obv the most obvtownie is, as well as how active in-thread the obvtownie is.

no obvtownies - no lynch
obvtownie who is super lurking - no lynch
helpful obvtownie - lynch now

This is what you do I'm Mylo, anyone who says otherwise is scum or dumb

[Beck]

Damn, not sure how I missed that

[Beck]

One of the most useless players in the history of mafia, worse than nobody special

[Beck]

Hey, I'm back! I've tried to read up a bit on what's happened while I'm gone.

Tool came with a very good post regarding Ree's investigation. It struck me that Beck was so against this post, first saying it was completely useless, and later explaining that it was useless "because nobody knows what ree did or what his results are" (1304). However, this is exactly why Tool did what he did: in an attempt to find out this information. I don't get why Beck is so opposed to the idea of it.

1) Top suspect of town cop.
2) Helped to lynched town cop
3) Helped to lynched VT
4) Unwillingness to provide source of Dark vote
5) Unwillingness to interact
6) Horrible iso

Even now, by voting Beck I earned 3 votes on me.

you have to be mafia with a post like this

Posts like these also strike me as off. Beck is very quick to jump to accusations against the person, rather than the argument. Trying to discredit the person rather than countering the argument is very scummy in my eyes.

It also confuses me that he's been such an opponent of reading into votecounts before, but now he's doing VCA himself. It's like his rules are made to throw out scumreads, but he doesn't stick to them himself.

It's cute that he highlighted himself as town though.

However, he's probably right with it being mylo

VOTE: No Lynch

1. It was useless cause it provided no new information, cause nothing could be gained from ree's posts. Logic says if he had a guilty it would have been hopkirk, but he was town. You can assume he got an inno on rob, but you don't know 100%. So we learn nothing new and it looks like filler

2. That wasn't an attack against the person, not how you can fail so bad at reading comprehension. I'm quoting the post and saying the post is SO BAD, it could only come from scum(because it was). An attack against him would be something on the lines of "you are ashore so you must be scum"

3. Show me where I was objecting to using vote counts analysis. Cause I don't believe I have ever done anything of the sort. VCA in mylo/lylo is a very useful tool

4. Of course I highlighted myself as town, just like I would expect you to do the same if you did a VCA. It's things like this that make me think you are scum. That's like vca 101.

[Beck]

I'm against a no lynch but if it's going to happen we need to mass claim or at least name claim AND, force hiplop and Cuttlefish to post something useful.

Cuttlefish a detailed case on hiplop and hiplop a case on whoever he suspects. Leaving both alive in lylo with no info from either of them is bad for everyone

[Beck]

Rob, why on day 2 did you vote mantis for his bad posts and shortly after change and sheep ree without mantis ever posting? Your vote on mantis had at least an appearance of legitimacy.

I'm beginning to think mafia may have a role cop, would explain why people were so willing to sheep ree.

[Beck]

Vote: No lynch

because I'm not either of:

A) Scum
B) Someone who doesn't know how MyLo works

Amazingly, you have yet to cast a vote for scum that I can find. Bussing hiplop is RVS is the only maybe I can find.

See this is a bad post, because if not voting scum is a scum tell, we have at least 4 scum. Criticizing people for "not voting scum" is not something that comes from town cause almost every player has helped mislynch people, being wrong =/= scum. Trying to imply it is though kinda is

[Beck]

But we have a 100 %confirmed town

Guranteed I'm the doc protect n1

No way mantis hard defended me if I wasn't.

And if you honestly don't think it's, go find the crumb of who he actually saved.

[Beck]

It's one of you, hopkirk or cuttlefish. I can agree with that. Sure, he defended you, but there were also posts like this:

if it's not obvious, i think hopkirk is town.

What makes it less of a 100% sell for me is that he didn't reference you D1. You'd think he would if he was so set on you being town, right?

Either way, as long as I'm less than 100% sure, even if it's 99%, I'd prefer to no lynch. The argument of 4 to lynch instead of 5 is invalid, because either way it's all the town having to vote, and it's harder to do that in MyLo than in LyLo.

if I was a general town read for me, yes he would mention me. The fact that he didn't until day 2 kind of proves to me that I was the doc save.

and it's not either me, hopkirk, or cuttle because there is literally 15+ posts where he is calling me town.

here are 2 examples that pretty much make it clear that he has a strong objection to me getting lynched.

lol

VOTE: Beck

are you f'ing serious?

Hi.
Back to Beck, guys.

Vote: Beck.

are you scum ????

[Beck]

and fine, even if we narrow it down and say that one of me or cuttle was the doc save, that means you STILL don't NL today because you have 2 players, 1 who may have been a doc save and who hands down is playing better than the other people in the game and then you have cuttle who really only has the fact that he may have been the doc save going for him.

that narrows the lynch pool down and makes things much easier and tbh I would bet the house that you and rampage are probably scum, you I would be the entire farm even.

[Beck]

The thing is, having a player, even if they're 90% confirmed, in MyLo is less favorable than having everyone but them in LyLo. Town still needs all town players to vote the same, just minus the 90%-conf-town in LyLo.

This is so wrong

[Beck]

I'm not scum, Beck. Get it out of your head right now or we're going to lose.

Absolutely nothing suggest you are town.

[Beck]

nobody

[Beck]

damn you keep failing don't you.

me not having a strong town read on people has absolutely no bearing on how helpful I have been. You have done absolutely nothing this day phase except you want to speed right through it and get us into a position where a quick lynch is easier to pull off.

btw I am still waiting for you to do this.

3. Show me where I was objecting to using vote counts analysis.

p.edit - not wanting to looking at hammers has absolutely NOTHING to do with vote count analysis.


Nice try scum

[Beck]

3. Multiple times you objected to looking at hammers and such in order to find scum.

First - I objected to looking at 1 hammer, not multiple hammers.
Second - I said a hammer doesn't mean anything, because it didn't.
Third - hopkirk was town so I know what I am talking about
Fourth - yes I realize I already said it but I am saying it again cause it's 100% truth. Looking at or not wanting to look at the hammer vote is not the same thing as doing vote count analysis. Not even in the same ballpark.



Why don't you do some VCA and tell me what you come up with, or anything else that could remotely looked at as being useful before criticizing how helpful I have been.

[Beck]

Him not dying makes me less sure, mantis over him really made no sense to me

[Beck]

Cop is believed to be overpowered by most on this site, cop /doc/RB I will say no way is in this setup

[Beck]

Not to mention you're ignoring other possible roles;

roleblockers

, etc.

Not ignoring thanks for playing scum

[Beck]

But here's the bigger thing - you picked out a tiny detail in my post which was by no means my main point. Why didn't you respond to the fact that I'm not even somewhat convinced you were the doc target? If you think it's obvious, why wouldn't you zoom in on that?

Cause I only skimmed your post, I do that when I'm on the move. When I get to a computer I'll read the whole thing

[Beck]

Not to mention you're ignoring other possible roles;

roleblockers

, etc.

Not ignoring thanks for playing scum

If you read the thread you may realize I'm answering Peregrine's question.

Why are you answering a question meant for me?

[Beck]

Cop is believed to be overpowered by most on this site, cop /doc/RB I will say no way is in this setup

I don't get it.

Cop and doc already flipped.

You are basically saying "You don't believe in a Roleblocker in this game."

Where did that come from?

That's exactly what I'm saying, it comes from the thoughts in my brain based on experience

[Beck]

If you really wanna lynch someone today Beck then you should probably be pushing for a massclaim.

I already posted that suggestion it was ignored.. I can lead a horse to water..

[Beck]

Also Beck was very probably the doctor target but he self-admittedly hasn't a clue this game so I don't see what we gain by having him around.

I never said I don't have a clue, don't try and insult me please

[Beck]

I know 2 scum, dark is 100%, rampage probably like 80%

[Beck]

except I have stayed solid on dark all game, i'm 100% sure dark is scum. It's not my fault everyone else is playing like scum and isn;t actually trying to find scum. at least 4 people are actively playing against their win condition... actually 5 since rob admitted he isn't playing toward a town win condition.

so yeah, maybe if people didn't play so bad I would have town reads.

[Beck]

You are sharing misleading information by making the assumption that you are town in the VCA.

going back and reading I have to quote this for the

I am not making the assumption that I am town. I KNOW I am town so I am not misleading anyone because I AM TOWN.

[Beck]

There's no way scum would kill me right now. I'm playing with essentially no effort, and it's fairly obvious I probably won't defend myself. I've also been on multiple mislynches. I'm the easy mislynch imo, which is why scum isn't going to kill me just because 1-2 players think I might have a cop innocent on me.

please replace out.

[Beck]

I don't really care. We have multiple players in this very game violating the "play to win" rule which is one of the universal rules of this site so if one player is admitting to not "play to win" and doesn't get punished for it, then I don't want to play in a game where there is poor modding on top of people intentionally playing against their win condition.

if the mod force replaces me then he need to force replace you and half of the other player list

[Beck]

sigh. beck stop sucking enjoyment out of this game

dude seriousy? you shit play has sucked the enjoyment out of this game. if you are town you are one of the people not playing to their win condition.

[Beck]

oh no, asking someone to replace out is against the rules, you're gonna get modkilled.

the mod didn't kill you and you did the same thing. If I get mod killed you need to be modkilled

[Beck]

Are you kidding me? Not having hours to devote to a game to argue cases is not the same as not playing to win. I'm reading, developing reads, and voting for them. I've made several pushes on scum suspects. I just don't have the time for a large volume of posts. Honestly, at this point, hiplop is right.

And no, you can be modkilled without cuttle being modkilled because you've also just broken the rule multiple other times by saying half the playerlist should be modkilled. It wouldn't be inconsistent.

You didn't say you were busy, you said you were playing with no effort. No effort implies lack of caring, not being busy. That's you admitting to not playing to win. Shall I link the mafia scum rules to you?

[Beck]

yeah, rob has got to be town.

beck, I have defended your ass all game as town. Dont pull that shit

Pull what? The truth hurts does it?

[Beck]

Beck. You are not helping town by constantly talking about how everybody sucks and asking people to replace out/be replaced/whatever.

I'm not going to take you seriously until this stops because trying to keep up with posts that have nothing to do with who is scum makes it harder to keep up with this game.

1. Everything I said is the truth because nobody is even putting any effort into the game, Rob even came out and admitted it

2. You haven't taken seriously most of the game, what did you think saying that was going to actually accomplish?

[Beck]

I literally have nothing to analyze from him. He's scum based on his all of usefulness. But that applies to multiple people and unless we have more than 3 scum, idk who's actually scum and who's trolling

[Beck]

That should be uselessness

[Beck]

beck, I have defended your ass all game

This is a lie cause you had me in your scum pile, plus you said the more I posted the scummier I looked

[Beck]

i kinda think beck is townb but the more he posts the more scum he looks.

still happy with ree. if we dont lynch him I will be sad

VOTE: hopkirk

toolenduso's post about mr_ree's interactions made me buy this. He did a fakeday-kill to get hopkirk to die. That has got to be it.

Hopkirk + (Peregine/Beck/Albert/Rob)

Doesn't look like defending to me...

[Beck]

Anyone else think that DLA drawing out Beck, baiting him and antagonizing him looks scummy?

I'm telling everyone hes 100% scum. Nobody wants to lynch scum though

[Beck]

LyLo isn't going to give us any special advantage over Mylo, so there's no point in no lynching. Dragging the game just for the sake of dragging the game is pointless. It's better to just lynch scum.

[Beck]

fyi if we NL I am replacing out. I am not going to unnecessarily suffer through another day phase after such a waste of this one.

[Beck]

ok, good luck and go town

[Beck]

ITT Darklite and others decide to waste a day, and beck complains about it.

fixed your post for accuracy

[Beck]

I don't think there is a set in stone standard, each mod can designate their own deadlines. 3 full days always seemed excessive, except maybe for night 1. I would not object to 48 hours

[Beck]

I really want to but I figure it isn't fair to the mod. I know how hard it is to find replacements especially this late in the game.

whoever is town who voted to NL will be responsible when we lose the game tomorrow.

[Beck]

cause the entire playerlist has played so poorly it is going to be near impossible to determine who is actually town and who is scum. take you for example, your contributions have been so piss poor, i'd have a better chance deciding your alignment based on a coin toss than to read your iso and find things that make me think you are town.

[Beck]

First you admit we'll be better off tomorrow, and then you say losing is the fault of those who no lynch?

I never said we would be better off No lynching. Never ever ever ever ever ever ever did I say such a thing.

[Beck]

there is not a single person alive who resembles somebody trying to find scum besides myself. I can't even find 1 person who has even done something even remotely towny looking.

We could have lynched scum today because dark is 100% scum but whatever.

[Beck]

ut he thinks Rob is town

where did I say I think that?

[Beck]

vote: dark

[Beck]

I said yesterday no lynch was pointless, I was right. Of course scum is going to nk, and no I'm not scum

Let's not waste another day and no lynch again, let's lynch. Even if you lynch me, I don't care but lynch somebody. Stop being a pussy

[Beck]

The reasons for no lynching are dumb and so is anyone advocating one.

[Beck]

Scum don't have to do anything cause they think they won. No lynching and no killing is going to continue to happen. Scum have no motivation to kill. I've given you scum and you don't want to lynch him, so whoever is town isn't playing to win

mod what happens if both sides keep NL & Nk.

[Beck]

cause the entire playerlist has played so poorly it is going to be near impossible to determine who is actually town and who is scum. take you for example, your contributions have been so piss poor, i'd have a better chance deciding your alignment based on a coin toss than to read your iso and

find things that make me think you are town.

By the way, this is a scum claim. It shows that Beck has more information that we do; specifically that Albert is town. Why should Town!Beck, who doesn't know what alignment Albert is, expect to find specifically town-looking stuff in his ISO? Why would Town!Beck not be expecting "something indicative of alignment" instead of specifically something that makes him think Albert is town? This is a scumslip; Beck has effectively said that he already knows with certainty Albert's alignment.

This also makes Albert untouchably confirmed town.

lol you fail so bad, I'd consider quitting mafia if you are town

[Beck]

And even though I'm 99.5% certain Beck is scum, it's STILL an obviously better option to no lynch and force him to kill someone. Even if we succeed in lynching Scum!Beck, then we still have to find two partners and we aren't doing a great job of scumhunting in this game. If they want to hand us the happily ever after tie, let them do it.

If you are town you are doing a horrible job, I'm doing an excellent job

[Beck]

And even though I'm 99.5% certain Beck is scum, it's STILL an obviously better option to no lynch and force him to kill someone. Even if we succeed in lynching Scum!Beck, then we still have to find two partners and we aren't doing a great job of scumhunting in this game. If they want to hand us the happily ever after tie, let them do it.

This isn't town mentality, if you think I'm scum you try to lynch scum. This is yet again you admitting to not playing to your win condition if you are town. I'm not sure if site mods enforce this or not, post game if you turn out to be town I'll check with someone

[Beck]

Come on town, we don't negotiate with terrorists. Make scum kill.

You realize I'm the only confirmed town alive right? Doc save runs the show

[Beck]

But I'm not trying to lynch you am I? Your play suggests you aren't aging toward a town win con and you have admitted it twice. Nobody should ever Fuck in listen to you in this game cause if you are town you clean don't give a shot what happens.

[Beck]

Aging = playing obviously

[Beck]

And what you're saying doesn't even make sense. You're simultaneously complaining that I want to lynch you because I think you're scum and that I don't want to lynch you because I'm advocating a no lynch.

I'm not complaining that you want to lynch me, I'm complaining that you don't want to lynch your top scum read.

[Beck]

Honestly, Beck, consider revamping your personality. You are one of the most toxic players I've ever played with.

1. I'm the only person scum hunting. I'm pushing my suspects. Aka playing the game how it's supposed to be played

2. I've reported you to the mod for this personal attack on me, cause there has been nothing wrong with my play. If you have a problem with people who speak their mind in a game that requires convincing others to listen to you, I'm not sure you should play mafia.

[Beck]

Do you not think there's a REASON scum wanted to force us to lynch instead of making them kill?

As far as I know, scum hasn't tried to force anyone to lynch. Scum has forced town to NL.

[Beck]

You said scum was trying to force us to lynch, that's not true. My logic was pointing out your incorrect statement. What was the logic behind making an incorrect statement?

If scum is just gljng6to play the Nk game, what do you suggest we do? Keep no lynching? That's dumb. I play to win or lose, ties are like kissing my sister and I have no interest in doing that.

I'd rather lynch and be wrong (which we won't if we lynch dark) then play this never ending game of sticking our thumbs up our ass and do nothing.

[Beck]

This actually makes sense to me.

No it makes no sense cause I don't know Alberts alignment, I only know darks alignment. He's scum

[Beck]

1. Opportunism on 2 mislynches? Bullshit
2. No anti town thinking, nothing but protown strategic thinking, play to win not the is protown
3. No scum slips from me, not even possible scum slips. Rob pulled shit out of his ass.

Tool, dark is scum. I don't think, I know

[Beck]

1. Opportunism on 2 mislynches? Bullshit
2. No anti town thinking, nothing but protown strategic thinking, play to win not the is protown
3. No scum slips from me, not even possible scum slips. Rob pulled shit out of his ass.

Tool, dark is scum. I don't think, I know

Shh, the big boys are talking. And by big boys, I mean people who aren't scum.

Don't fucking tell me to shh
And I'm not scum

[Beck]

BTW your analogy sucks cause if this is football, town is down by 14 and are just spiking the ball then punting it away.

[Beck]

Unless you have actual statistics you are pulling that out of your ass.