Robbery! At The Casino (Game Over)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

/Confirm

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Prolapsed Brain

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Can the hydra put their names at the end of their post so we know who posted it please.

Thanks.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Grayfoxxxx

Scum countering prolapsed wagon

@Fish: nah

Let's hope you were right haha

Beck is town this game

For us mere mortals, can you explain why you're so sure on this read before we even had two pages?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Right.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Shos

[BlueBloodedToffee]

RVS sucks.

--Double

Wanna do something to get us out of it or just complain?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Perfect Chaos, can you please put your name on the bottom of your post so I know if it's Fish or MS posting.

I do agree with what Beck is saying. PB's confirmation post felt all kinds of wrong, but so does Shos' play so far as well.

ATM, I find Shos' recent posting to be scummier than PB's confirmation post, so that's where I'm at.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

BBT: explain to me how his confirmation post was in any way wierd?

Too much information. Felt like he was trying hard to appear town.

It also felt like a buddying post with the joke on the end.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You knew those players.

Post 6 is weird.

A buddying attempt like 'Hey, look how relaxed I am, I can't be scum'. It feels fake.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Are you going to move your vote back to Prolapsed? If not why and what are your reads so far?

Seriously? Your first question is meh, your second question is awful.

Are you genuinely asking for reads on p4 when pretty much nothing of note has happened yet (bar the last 10 posts or so)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I picked names from a hat.

I am really looking forward to your reads-list.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

This is going nowhere. I've been waiting for a day for a reason to post and I got nothing.
Random vote will stick where it is till I see a good reason to move it

Another person complaining nothing is happening but doing nothing to progress the game at the same time.

What exactly was you expecting to happen to allow you to post?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Your last two 'reads' on Aronis and Egg prove my point of why asking for reads at this stage is an awful question.

You're going to come up with an awful lot of null reads.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It's not bad per se, just a waste of time. If you were doing this on like p15, I wouldn't have a problem with it.

If you have questions you want to ask, ask them. You don't need to do Pbpa on everyone at this stage.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Egg is scum according to this head. Jumping on someone for explaining their post after being voted for it is not likely to come from town. Double agreed enough to random vote.

~Trouble

Sooooo, it's not a random vote then?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Double Trouble

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Alright, sorry guys, couple of busy games going on so this was put to the back burner for a while. This is just a quick catch-up post, will deliver more tomorrow.

Also going to take this moment to point out that Aronis and BBT both seem to like joining what ever new wagon pops up, with BBT being especially guilty of this. Shos has looked somewhat better, his explanation of drunk posting at the beginning makes some sense for playing out of character.

UNVOTE: Shos
VOTE: BBT

I've had reasons for every vote.

BBT, Egg, and Shos started by voting Prolapsed, but are now voting with Prolapsed.

Aronis and BBT were on the Shos wagon but are now voting with Shos.

This is stupidly inconsistent. Putting on my Nostradamus hat and saying that Titus is for sure town, and at least 1 scum is for sure in BBT/Egg/Aronis.

OK, so I explained my vote on PB. Just because I didn't like his confirmation post that doesn't make him scum until the end of time. If he votes for someone I'm voting for or vice versa, at this stage of the game, I couldn't care less.

My vote on Shos was because I felt like he was being anti-town. I didn't like his posting style or the content of his posts. I felt like he was trying to cause confusion, town don't purposefully try to cause confusion. Shos cleaned up his posting and looks better for it.

My vote on DT was because they claimed a random vote that wasn't random. I have only skimmed up to this point but I didn't have a clue what DT and Egg were talking about.

For now I will unvote. After reading thoroughly tomorrow, I will see where my vote will be of best use.

UNVOTE:

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Ace's 56 - I'm interested in this read because Shos himself admitted that he was trolling. How did you find him to be more townie than scummy?

Aronis' 58 and 189 - I don't like either of these votes.

Shos' 85 - Here is your reminder.

Exchange between Beck and PB; 155, 156 and 167 - This sequence of posts doesn't sit right with me. Beck asks PB for some game-related content, given he has time to comment about mod but seemingly no time to play the game. PB follows this up by placing a vote and then proceeds to disappear again after contributing pretty much nothing. Leaning scum on PB.

Ace's 203 - This is a bad vote. I didn't understand it at first but Ace follows up stating he doesn't believe Egg's claim and I'm not really sure what to make of that right now.

And on top of this, find me some town motivation in his ISO. I know it's early, but he seems to be waiting for things to happen ratherthan making them happen or at least interperating what has happened. I don't think you sign up for a mafia game with zero interest in determining who is scum if you draw town.

This looks like a play-style vote. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I should also note I don't like geraint's/Gray's posting styles, it will make them seem much busier/more active in the activity overview later in the game.

Gray could have done all his reads in one post and geraint could have got all of his recent posts into one post as well.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

@Blue -- I just count how many times they make reads and subtract the number of players in the game alive or dead per read.
Math rocks and I hate inflation.

-- Double

Sorry, what's this relating to?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You don’t seem to have a problem with Becks read on Prolapse from post #17, but you take umbrage with someone looking for preliminary reads on page 4? Seems fishy, and that is saying something coming from me.

I agreed with Beck's initial read for a start. PB has also continued to do nothing and my read hasn't changed in that respect.

I don't know if you're intentionally trying to misrepresent me here. I was not scum-reading Gray for his efforts with his reads, I was merely saying he was wasting time and effort that could be put to better use at a later stage in the game.

Please someone kill:
Aronis

What's your read on Aronis?

I dont see how my BBT vote is scummy. BBT is not inactive, if anything he's been overly active.

I'm overly active. This is a joke right? Even if I was overly active, which I'm not, that is not a reason to scum-read someone.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Prolapsed is scum but idk how else to convince people.

Let's pretend for a moment that PB is mod-confirmed town. Where else are you willing to look?

read through BBT's posts. Overly active doesnt just mean post count. In this case, I mean specifically that hes very quickly moving from wagon to wagon. He isn't sitting on a consistent idea or train of thought, and seems to be just going for whatever the biggest wagon is.

I've explained every one of my votes. If you have issue with them, take me up on it. Otherwise, stop pushing reasons for why I'm scum that have already been explained and are no longer valid.

Prolapsed is scum? OK!

VOTE: Prolapsed

I dont like Dr Pants very much atm. But my gut still says he's prob town.

I don't like Aronis at all so far. His ISO is full of fluff and lacking any sort of scum-hunting. His votes have been pretty badly timed with bad explanations and now he's sheeping onto PB.

@

Aronis

, how and why did your read change on DT?

Why are you voting PB?

VOTE: Aronis

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I could vote him but it would be on the premise that he is lurking and I don't feel comfortable with that at this early stage. Sure, if his behaviour continues and nothing improves in terms of his posting frequency and the content of his posts, I'll gladly jump on that wagon.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

this early stage?

you realize this game has been going on longer than we have days left in the day phase right? How long are you going to be content with letting a scummy player lurk?

No, I didn't realise that. The small number of pages must have threw me off, I thought we were only 4 or 5 days in.

This is a quiet D1.

OK, time for some pressure.

VOTE: PB

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Both my scum-reads getting wagons.

I'm enjoying life.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Wait, the guy who 2 posts above is voting for someone for poorly times votes and hopping onto bandwagons does this...?

Why are you acting like I have no reasons for voting PB?

It changed?

The following makes it look like you were scum-reading DT;

Spoiler: Aronis scum-reading DT

This is a really really really good point. Titus rarely, if ever lurks. Usually she is one of the most active people in game.

VOTE: DoubleTrouble

And I was just moving my vote around to see what happens. Unfortunately, I found the explanation of 'We're trying to actively lurk and cant explain why' not very reassuring, so my vote stays there.

What changed? Did PB suddenly become more scummy or did DT become more townie? Because I don't see you stating either, just sheeping.

Ummm. What changed about your read on me?

Why are you voting Prolapsed?

Cute.

Aronis' 58 and 189 - I don't like either of these votes.

My read on you changed? Given those votes have pretty much been your whole contribution to this thread, I see nothing that makes you look town to me, only scum.

As for why I'm voting PB;

Spoiler: Why I'm voting PB

I do agree with what Beck is saying. PB's confirmation post felt all kinds of wrong

BBT: explain to me how his confirmation post was in any way wierd?

Too much information. Felt like he was trying hard to appear town.

It also felt like a buddying post with the joke on the end.

I agreed with Beck's initial read for a start. PB has also continued to do nothing and my read hasn't changed in that respect.

I could vote him but it would be on the premise that he is lurking and I don't feel comfortable with that at this early stage. Sure, if his behaviour continues and nothing improves in terms of his posting frequency and the content of his posts, I'll gladly jump on that wagon.

It's almost like you're not reading.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I sorry. But I don't understand how you can consider me scum, when you're doing the exact same thing. Unless you're scum, then I understand.

You should look at my explanation for my votes and my thought processes following those votes which can clearly be followed.

And then you should look at yours. You will see the difference. If I have to point it out, I will.

You still haven't explained how your read on DT changed either. Or why you're voting PB.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

BBT and Shos are definitely the best lynches for today. While Aronis doesn't look great either, the fact that everyone piled onto him specifically means he's likely not scum.

Hi Pants;

I've explained every one of my votes. If you have issue with them, take me up on it. Otherwise, stop pushing reasons for why I'm scum that have already been explained and are no longer valid.

I think metal went lava on me, I haven't seen anything from him for awhile in our qt. I'll be here later today.

You have an awfully low post-count, especially for a hydra. Is there a reason that neither of you have been posting?

Aronis, can you re-write 381 please. You're either grossly misunderstanding my explanations or you're misrepresenting me. I would like another post to make clear which one it is.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I agree, aronis is the last person I would vote for in this game.

This is interesting. He is the

last

person you're willing to vote.

Why is your town-read so strong on him?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That's a very short re-write.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

What am I dodging?

Am I gonna have to start quoting the same post for you as I do for Pants?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

First, did something change on site meta where post count means anything? We may be light on actual numbers of posts but what we have contributed has been mostly content, or attempts at content. In other words what we have posted is worth more than a lot of fluff.

Second, are you retarded? You quite the post where I said my partner has gone MIA on me. And if you looked back at my iso you'd see that work has been kicking my ass lately. I guess that would be too much leg work for you though.

I will be looking at you later today to see if you are dumb town who deserves my pity or shitty scum who deserves my rope.

Did something change that made lurking/inactivity pro-town?

You've posted content? Really? OK, let's have a look;

Spoiler: PC's "Content"

We /confirm

Vote: Desp

Sup bitch, you dealing off the bottom of the deck again?

"Svenskt Stål (23:38) majiffy, worst mod on ms? we talk to a surviving victim of his game"


Rofl

-sonic

I'm running what I like to call the gambit at work right now. Close, mid, open. I should be around tomorrow night though.

Til then

Unvote

Yeah, sorry about that shos. It had to happen though.

hello i am in the game


- sonic

I think metal went lava on me, I haven't seen anything from him for awhile in our qt. I'll be here later today.

First, did something change on site meta where post count means anything? We may be light on actual numbers of posts but what we have contributed has been mostly content, or attempts at content. In other words what we have posted is worth more than a lot of fluff.

Second, are you retarded? You quite the post where I said my partner has gone MIA on me. And if you looked back at my iso you'd see that work has been kicking my ass lately. I guess that would be too much leg work for you though.

I will be looking at you later today to see if you are dumb town who deserves my pity or shitty scum who deserves my rope.

I didn't really want to leave 35 and 37 as you providing content but you were lacking content as it was so I gave you the benefit of the doubt.

Your only posts that I would consider content are 166, 286 and 287.

I apologize. I should have realized you could not post if your partner wasn't around. Do you consider hydra dissonance a scum-tell?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Shos, Pants is probably not a viable lynch today.

Can you join the PB wagon? Secondary choice is Aronis.

They both look like good wagons for toDay.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

none of the wagons seem very viable yet, 3 votes on them at max. this sucks ass and balls though. can you give me the short version of why PB is actaully scum, apart from lurking and a bad first post?

Do you see anything pro-town about him? Lurking, awkward conf. post and very little content when he does decide to post.

All point towards scum, amirite?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Hmm. I personally find lurking and not contributing kind of scummy, this may be biased from my past few games though where scum have used this tactic and I have allowed them to completely fall of my radar and get to endgame/win.

I also really dislike his confirmation post. I can't stress it enough, I know it's just one post but I feel pretty strongly about it.

If neither Pants or PB wagon looks like being the wagon for D1, you wanna compromise on Aronis?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

yeah that aronis wagon sure was useless, better lynch those scummy players who pushed it

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Shos

Are you voting Shos for voting Aronis? Or are you voting Shos because Shos is voting you?

Both seem equally bad reasons.

Dude are you even in the same game?
My aronis vote was there for like over 10 pages while I wasn't active. It is not a viable wagon right now

I disagree, I think Aronis is an excellent secondary wagon should people decide that PB somehow isn't scum.

There is very little pro town from anyone in this game today.

It's certainly distinguishable between who is being pro-town and who isn't.

Just as a side note, lurking seems to be close to optimal play for scum based on what I have seen on this site recently. How can you get lynched if you don't provide any content to be questioned on or any thoughts to explain? Everyone is like 'Oh, X is null because they haven't really done anything'. Or 'Wait for X to provide content so we can get a read' or 'We can't lynch X because it's basically a PL', etc etc. It's certainly something I am beginning to keep am eye on.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

GrayFoxxxx is VLA for the next week.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Hmm, I don't think Pants is the best lynch today. I'm truly stunned PB has managed to do nothing the whole of D1 and draw very little attention because of it.

At one point, PB and Aronis looked likely lynches and I was happy with that. They were good times.

I should be around for deadline if needed to push the lynch through. I'm still very much open to a PB or Aronis flash wagon though.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Just to be sure I have converted time correctly; deadline is in 2hrs 15mins yeah?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Intent to hammer Pants.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Claim and reads-list please Pants.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Mod: 30mins to deadline or 1hr 30mins?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Dr Pants

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: PB

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I assume it means he had to choose a night to activate his BP ability.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I dislike both of the votes so far. Dislike the people making them.
That wagon yesterday was fishy as anything.

Isn't hindsight wonderful?

How about you stop making vague comments and actually provide some content? Sound good?

Why was it fishy? What didn't you like? Who on the wagon looks like scum to you?

Are you town-reading PB and Aronis?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: PB

sheeping

You're not scum-reading Aronis anymore?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Pretty sure I said yesterday it was a bad wagon and I would never have been on it.
Wondering what desperado is going to say about aronis. Because he really needs to explain himself

You sure did. Yet another vague statement giving no clue to what you're actually thinking.

Is that all you're going to reply to from that post?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Another vague statement.

Do you plan on being helpful at any point during D2?

Who was scum on the wagon and what about the wagon didn't you like?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

vote: geraintm

You're voting the wrong person.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Well, that's disappointing.

Could be hard to get PB lynched today.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Well, that's disappointing.

It may be a little more difficult to get PB lynched toDay than I anticipated.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

*Sigh*

Bad internet.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I haven't been a fan of geraint's play so far myself.

I just dislike how little pressure PB is getting, like, it's really grating on me.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I look forward to either of you producing some content.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Bit of both.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Desp wagon is bad.

VOTE: Aronis

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I would have to agree that Ace is sheeping like a mofo' so far toDay, that doesn't make him scum though.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I thought you were scum D1, not much has changed.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Aronis jumped in desp after someone had claimed to have a result on them. To be honest, I would have too if I had been around.
Then once the claim got back tracked, toffee jumps on aronis for being oppotunistic.

Shos makes some case against aronis, I don't mind this post.
Ace jumps easily onto aronis.

Aces three votes in this game have all been on townies...

VOTE: theaceofspades

Umm, why are you so sure that PB/Nati and Aronis are town?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Did he?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Can you walk me through that?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't see the slip?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Somebody else?

How?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That would mean that Desp is scum then?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Hmm, I just don't see it.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Reads please Nati.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'd prefer reads.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

ETA for reads?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't know if PC is a bad vote, but it's a bad vote from Ace.

Not a fan of his play so far at all.

His voting is becoming as bad, if not worse, than Aronis' voting.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

think I missed the PB vote as I was going through, but he had voted for egg, dr pants and aronis. I cannot comment on PB's alignment.

Why can you not comment on

PB

Nati's alignment?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

OK...so that slot is null to you?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Here's how I'm viewing yesterday's wagon;

Shos (3): geraintm, GrayFoxxxx, Dr Pants
DoubleTrouble (1): Prolapsed Brain
BlueBloodedToffee (1): Double Trouble
Aronis (1): theaceofspades

Dr Pants

(5):

Perfect Chaos

,

Desperado

,

Shos

,

Beck

,

Aronis

,

Egg

, BlueBloodedToffee

I feel like today's lynch has to be between Aronis and PC based on my reads.

Preferably Aronis.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Curious why the others get a free pass?

What others? Outside of the wagon?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Desp/me/shos

Because you're my town-reads, so I'd rather not lynch either of you.

With relation to Nati, I would gladly lynch that slot. The problem is, nobody believed that slot was scum on D1. Also, Nati has provided nothing further, so there isn't any additional information to try and push that wagon.

I guess what I'm saying is, I'm waiting for the rest of town to catch up and realize that the Nati slot is scum. Until that happens, I'll go after her buddies.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Noooo, why is the Aronis wagon falling apart?

Geraint is not the best lynch today.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Desp wagon is bad.

VOTE: Aronis

Or people don't even give reasons...

I have most definitely given reasons for why I think Aronis is scum.

vote: gerain

So now you're going to join the wagon that is being led by your top scum-read.

That makes sense.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

For a start, there's the wagon analysis that I just did that you commented on.

Why would scum need to bus in this situation?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

No, it wasn't. Aronis being scum doesn't make everyone else on the wagon town.

Aronis was scum on D1, his play on D2 hasn't changed my opinion.

Scum don't need to bus because, as seen in the last VC, town have no direction right now and with no one wagon looking like it's going to take off, scum are sitting comfortable.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Geraint is more likely to be town than Nati though, right?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I haven't liked his play either, I just don't think his lynch is the best lynch for today.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

The Mod explicitly told you that Aronis was town?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Hmm.

UNVOTE:

[BlueBloodedToffee]

@Geraint/Aronis, I don't think you had to claim there, like, at all.

@Nati, still waiting for your reads. You could also try contributing something that's useful, that would be nice.

@Shos, I was thinking along those lines for a second because the timing of that claim is so strange. For now though, we should just leave it be.

I need to re-evaluate my reads from the Pants wagon in light of Aronis being *confirmed town*, one of my Desp/Shos/Beck town-reads could be off.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I agree, it's by no means solid.

But it does give me a direction to start looking in.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Correct me if I'm wrong.

I wasn't scum bc nobody was providing a legit case about me. You're doing the exact same thing now?

What are your reads Aronis?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Beck, can I have your reads as well please?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Hmm, if you say so. I'm only really interested in one read anyway.

Do you still believe PC scum-slipped?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I plan on re-reading you/Shos/Desp when I get home a little later today due to Aronis being confirmed town.

Right now my top 3 scum are PC, Nati and Ace.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

PC because of low content/lurking.

Ace for his vote-sheeping.

Nati because low content/lurking/awkward confirmation post.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I was expecting your reads to have changed due to the new information.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Geraint is still in your top 3 for scum then?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That quote doesn't answer my question.

That quote says 'Geraint might be town if the claim is true but I don't really buy the claim so he might be scum'.

I want you to clarify.

Also, the point you're making about the Aronis wagon is a valid one. Which is why today's lynch should be someone from the Pants wagon because it's highly unlikely that wagon was all town and we have two confirmed townies on that wagon already.

That someone from the Pants wagon should be;

VOTE: PC

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Your votes on Aronis look bad because you never really give any reason, despite claiming you did. When I ask you for a link to those reasons you point to your VCA which really isn't a reason.

See 333, 367 and 370.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You have day-talk Aronis?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Can we please not clog up the thread with this Beck/PC bullshit.

Take it to PM's.

PC is still today's lynch.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Also, I have yet to understand why PC is a better lynch. that is not a scumslip.

I think we should be looking to lynch from the Pants wagon toDay.

Do you see a better lynch than PC?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'd love to see grayfoxxx, acem and possible geraintm dead. I don't see a reason why lynch PC.

None of those were on the Pants wagon. Also, Geraint is a Mason....

You can't leave, if you leave your slot will be conf town and you may be implicated under a trust tell

How will his slot be confirmed town?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Hey Ika,

Thanks for replacing in.

I'm afraid I have bad news. You're on the wrong wagon. If you could move your vote over to PC that would be grand.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Hi ika!

Still not lynching Perfect Chaos.

Desp might get me though!

You're also still not providing reads.

It's taking you a long time.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I just want you to provide some reads.

I don't see what's so difficult.

Top 3 scum-reads?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You for the boring easy targetism

Who's the easy target I'm pursuing?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

(me)

Why are you an easy target?

It's not my fault you replaced into a scum slot. It's also not my fault that you have continued to lurk and avoid producing content.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

well PC/desp most likely contains one scum

shos is scum regardless to me

BBT might be scum

nati is probally town

that is all i have fromm coming back from work and reading up

You need to re-evaluate these reads.

Nati is scum. Shos is town. PC scum, Desp town.

Maybe it's because I didn't read.

Scum don't need to read, amirite?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Sorry for multi-posting, multi-quoting on iPad just doesn't happen.

So, Desp is still town and PC is still scum.

DT is misguided town as well

[BlueBloodedToffee]

How about you tell me why you think they're scum and I'll tell you why you're wrong?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Do you want to play question only?
Are you going to dodge my question with a question?
I think I just did something, didn't I?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You've played this game before, haven't you?
Did you not dodge my question with a question?
Didn't I?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That's not a question Shos, you lose.

An acceptable answer would have been;

'Can you both shut up?'

Seriously though, I don't like to explain town reads. I would much rather Ika explain why he thinks you're both scum.

Scum-reads are harder to fabricate than town-reads.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

If you can tell me what explaining my town-reads accomplishes I'll think about it.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Can we have a VC please mod?

Why you voting Desp, Nati?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I haven't been evasive.

I don't like explaining town-reads, it's not like I'm just avoiding the question. I'm answering it and stating my position, I'm not sure how you equate that to being evasive.

I prefer to let people explain their scum-reads. Scum-reads are harder to fabricate, anybody can make up a town-read; especially someone who is scum because they know who is town. It's harder to explain a scum-read as scum because it's obviously fake and you know it to be wrong.

I'm not saying Ika is scum btw, because I'm still town-reading that slot. I would still like to see why he thinks both you and Desp are scum though, especially as he is voting PC and I really don't see how both Desp & PC can be scum.

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Desp wagon so scummy.

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So I tell Formerfish I told you so.

Lynching 'town' to satisfy your ego.

Anti-town at best, scummy at worst.

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I think you have read those quotes wrong.

In the first post, he is responding

to

Beck, talking

about

Desp.

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I mean...it's just...I don't understand...

I'm still waiting for the rest of town to catch up and realise that Nati is scum.

Seriously.

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I just reply to what you tell me.

Why you voting Desp?

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Ika, you going to explain your reads?

Specifically, I'm interested in why you think both Desp and PC are scum.

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I agree, that seems a waste of a vote.

Vote PC please Shos.

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Votes on Titus are insane.

Can I just remind people of the post below.

I have no qualms about claiming watcher as I'm not watching tomorrow. Given Egg claimed investigator, I thought he operated on even nights. (Hence why I said Egg could claim for us LOL).

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Meta. That's funny.

She has claimed a town PR. Can you tell me why you're continuing to try and lynch a town PR?

Meta is irrelevant at the best of times, even more so because she has claimed in this game. That should take precedence over meta, right?

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Can anyone tell me why Desp is scum?

Getting tired of Ika dodging my question as well.

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i already told you that most of my reads are gut calls and bouncing off people who i think are town.

your not going to get more then that untill i take action tonight

No, you didn't.

You said nothing of the sort.

The last time you posted reads you said 'will explain reads when less drunk' or something along those lines. That explanation never came.

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Ika, you're doing a great job of completely destroying my town-read on that slot.

If you think PC is scum, can you get on that wagon please?

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Soooo, mass-claiming sounds pretty bad.

One of PC/Ika is scum. I'm struggling to see Ika scum because I had a strong town-read on Beck so I still think it's PC.

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What part of our interactions screams town for him? Is it when he didn't get what I was talking about with the whole "VT v. Vanilla Townie" thing? Or the fact that he disappeared as soon as he figured out he'd slipped up? And how the fuck do you still have a scum read on us? You are either suffering from a crippling case of confirmation bias, or you are scum. Wanna dance to figure out which it is?

Let's.

You realize I said my town-read was on Beck, right? I haven't liked much of Ika's play so far at all, but because my town-read on beck was pretty strong, it's hard for me to just ignore that and see Ika as scum. You know, seeing as they both got the same PM.

I have to admit, your D2 play is significantly better than your D1 play. However, your D1 play was pretty bad and you really didn't provide much content at all. The problem is, I don't really remember you doing much, other than argue with Beck and now this whole VT thing.

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I really, really don't get this VT vs Vanilla Townie thing. I've read it numerous times now.

I claim VT all the time when I'm a Vanilla Townie. I thought that was pretty standard, am I missing something?

Fish, what makes you think you have cleared yourself?

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OK, I see where you're coming from but I really don't think they're scum-slips.

I don't see Desp flipping scum.

I'm slowly coming around to the idea that Ika could be scum. I don't like his 'If you think I'm scum you better come at me so I can show you how townie I am because scum would never ask people to vote and tunnel them'.

It's over-the-top aggressive.

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UNVOTE:

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VC please Mod

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It's not the fact people claimed VT that fish is saying is scummy.

It's the way in which they did it.

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pedit: dealer, VT

You sure you wanna claim this Ika?

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I was reading your ISO and I saw this;

i already told you that most of my reads are gut calls and bouncing off people who i think are town.

your not going to get more then that untill i take action tonight

Can you elaborate on what you mean by 'take action tonight'.

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OK.

VOTE: Ika

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YES IM A FUCKIGN VANILLA TOWNIE

your not going to get more then that untill i take action tonight

Nobody else sees the contradiction here or has a problem with these two posts?

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Geraint, Fish and Ace can you all look at my 1268 please and tell me what you think about Ika contradicting his role.

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You're not flipping VT.

I think that was a fake soft-claim for you to fall back on later in the game if you needed it. I believe you forgot you made this post when you claimed VT because, guess what, VT's don't have a night action.

I genuinely can't believe you're still pushing Titus either.

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Is using caps supposed to make me change my answer?

This over-the-top 'I'm town' thing really isn't doing it for me either.

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Nati isn't suspect to you? Not really doing too much in the game, vote parking right now with tons of shit going on?

Town's catching up! More people need to come around to this way of thinking.

Could we lynch Desp already?

No, he's town.

How about Ika? Thoughts on his contradictions?

Every time I try to get into this game I just get bored and leave again

You don't enjoy playing as scum? Too bad.

Reading DT and titus's stuff, im scumreading them both. So i'd be more comfortable with a Titus lynch

Yeah, you're probably still scum.

Why are you comfortable with a Titus lynch?

VOTE: desp

Hey Shos, how about Ika?

You asked him to explain his contradiction, he flat out refused to and you've just moved on.

I don't get it.

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No chance of an Ika lynch?

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VOTE: Ace

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VOTE: Ika

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Hi GC!

Fish, what do you make of Desp replacing out?

Also, I'm not lynching outside of Ika/Nati today.

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VOTE: Ace lalala

Look at this.

Look at this shit.

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Hi GC!

Fish, what do you make of Desp replacing out?

Also, I'm not lynching outside of Ika/Nati today.

Scratch that.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

He is replacing out elsewhere.

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Shos;

VOTE: desp

Hey Shos, how about Ika?

You asked him to explain his contradiction, he flat out refused to and you've just moved on.

I don't get it.

Vote Ika?

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BBT why did you do that?

VOTE: nati

Where did this come from? What was the reasoning behind this vote for Nati?

know what actualy

VOTE: BBT

full ika mode: 1V1 ME

Same questions for this vote.

Your reads and your play are so inconsistent.

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So you're scum.

Hang now please.

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No reasoning for the Nati vote then?

Or the vote on me?

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Umm hmm.

OK, here's what I'm getting at. I expected you to come in and vote Flames or Titus because that's where you were at the end of D2, that's where your suspicions seemed to lie.

However, you come in and immediately proceeded to vote for Nati. This looked like a very premature self-preservation vote and I think you realised this and changed your mind to 1v1 me, which is even worse.

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Shos, is there a reason you're so reluctant to vote Ika?

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Great.

What did you find during your re-read?

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So you voted for Nati?

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No.

I do like people who make sense though.

Can you explain how your re-read led you to believe that Shos is scum and that you should therefore vote Nati?

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Can you tell me why you voted Nati?

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Can I have your reads on everyone please Ika?

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Ika

- So, the two scum-reads you were pushing late D2 are now null reads?

Can you explain please?

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I'm happy with my vote.

Can we lynch Ika today please?

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GC, you're all caught up?

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Mod - Can you update OP please.

@Who - What are you talking about?

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Reactions...what a cop out.

Why didn't you say that when I asked you?

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GC, are you going to elaborate further or is that it?

I feel I have made my position on the Ika slot more than clear.

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its also why im invoking a 1v1 with him

Is it? Have you stated this before or is that a convenient reason to justify this 1v1 you're trying to pull?

I think it's the latter. Feel free to prove me wrong though.

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If you think I had no reasoning for voting Ace you should read my ISO.

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In fact you should read my ISO for the pants vote as well.

I suspect this is a follow on from Aronis more than anything else.

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Mod - I'm V/LA, emphasis on the LA because my ISP has shut down in my area temporarily. Not sure how long it will last

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I don't have much (any) experience with mass-claims so I'm not sure what the pros and cons are.

If the majority think it's a good idea then I'm all for it.

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This game is dead. What's going on?

This post is more to just give a quick update on my situation. I still have no internet at home, if it doesn't get sorted today/tomorrow I won't be able to post until Monday.

Not that much is happening.

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Phone posting.

I have been reliably informed that my internet is now working.

I will be getting around to this game when I get home in about 3-4 hours.

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BBT i have noticed posts elsewhere but not here....

Why are you flat out lying?

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im willing to let titus live for toDay only b/c shes going to be forced to watch the mason.

This is bad. Nobody should be advising where the watcher should watch, let her decide on her own.

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I don't like his posting this game. I stand by what I said in Post 1426. He's trying too hard to look rational and spell out his positions, while using some pretty shaky logic to push his votes (e.g., looking at the wagon on a D1 town lynch without any flips, his basis for voting Ika in Post 1239 and Post 1242).

I'm trying too hard to look rational...what sort of BS is that? Would I also be scummy if I were to keep my reads close to my chest and not explain things?

Also, I don't like his buddying with my slot when it was occupied by Desp. He found Desp to be incredibly town, and the votes on Desp to be incredibly scum, without justification.

Oh wait... apparently yeah, I would.

So, I'm scummy for trying to be too open and rational and then I'm scummy for not explaining reads/reasoning.

That's contradictory and is awful reasoning for jumping on my wagon.

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Mod - VC please.

Am I really at L-1?

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Good,

finally

DrPepper's mini ended. Basically, my only experience with town BBT is when I was a mason with him in Mini 1609. In that game, you were all over the place with your suspicions, accusations, and votes. Contrast with in this game, in which you appear to be taking a very measured tone.

It looks like you have drawn scum in this game, and are playing cautiously.

Would I also be scummy if I were to keep my reads close to my chest and not explain things?

Also, I don't like his buddying with my slot when it was occupied by Desp. He found Desp to be incredibly town, and the votes on Desp to be incredibly scum, without justification.

Oh wait... apparently yeah, I would.

So, I'm scummy for trying to be too open and rational and then I'm scummy for not explaining reads/reasoning.

That's contradictory and is awful reasoning for jumping on my wagon.

It's not contradictory at all. In general, you have been playing cautiously - as denoted by your insistance on taking a measured tone with trying to really spell out your justifications for suspecting/voting people.

In contrast, you have decided to buddy my slot. In this specific instance of potentially alignment-indicative play, you have failed to actually provide reasoning for why you have decided to buddy my slot. That look suspicious.

Please don't use meta to try and read me.

Your whole case rests on meta so I guess I have nothing to say.

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I was posting here.

Priorities and all that.

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I don't see how I'm being cautious GC

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Are you saying I was lying?

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Right.

You were lying. You said I was not posting here but was posting elsewhere.

When I posted elsewhere, I tried my best to post here as well. Not to mention that there wasn't a whole lot going on in this game.

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Are you saying I'm scum for prioritizing a game that I was in MyLo in?

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Put up what you actually said.

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I shouldn't be posting now, I'm not in the best of moods.

I'm going to come back to this later when I've calmed down.

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Alright so, couple of questions;

Why is nobody voting Ika for his blatant soft-claim that went wrong?

Why is nobody voting Nati? Like seriously, how is Nati town?

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Green is town though.

I would much rather an Ika or Nati wagon.

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Like, I've been patiently waiting for town to catch up and realize that Nati is scum since D1. It's really starting to annoy me.

I don't like people ignoring Ika's blatant slip and his lack of explanation for that slip either.

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I pushed the Nati slot fairly hard D1 and it pretty much fell on deaf ears. I clearly posted to say I would wait for town to catch up and realize that Nati was scum.

If you ISO me, you will see why I'm wanting an Ika lynch.

I can't say anything more than I already have.

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Yo I'm down for a Nati lynch, but when my vote was on her earlier today I'm pretty sure I was the only one?

@BBT:

your play looks like cautious scum because you have been very measured and focused in your scumreads. That looks quite different from your play in DrPepper's mini.

I can get behind a Nati lynch.

You know full well what happened in that game. Meta is bad for reading me, particularly if you're only going to use one game. I was all over the place in that game and I had legitimate reasons for acting the way I did.

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Reactions is an easy get-out clause. Not to mention I specifically asked him for the reasoning behind those posts over and over and he repeatedly flat out refused to answer me. This makes me think he needed time to get together some sort of explanation for his slip given how he later tried to explain it. I'm not buying a reaction test at all.

His slip is not the only reason no. I haven't liked Ika's reads. It's all in my ISO.

I didn't understand how he was scum-reading both Desp and PC, he refused to explain this when I asked him about it. He posted reads saying explanations would come, they didn't come. He just refuses to explain anything and it's very easy for him to hide behind if he is scum.

His reads are inconsistent. He ended D2 wanting to pursue Flames or Titus (?),can't remember who the second person was. He starts D3 and immediately votes for Nati, later claiming he was basically trolling me.

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VOTE: Nati

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Sure, if your wagon picks up I will gladly put you to L-1 so you can self-hammer.

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Oh yeah, GC to add to 1564, Ika's over the top attitude of him being town rubbed me the wrong way as well.

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Why am I scum Ika?

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Don't meta me from one game. I have around 8 completed games on this site. If you're going to use meta, you better check all my games. This is why meta is BS, it's so subjective. People see what they wanna see.

Because I like a Nati lynch as well. As long as one of you two get lynched, I'll be happy.

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Why am I scum Ika?

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Look at that scummy wagon on me.

So scummy.

Let's lynch Ika or Nati.

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Why do we need to mass-claim? Like, what are the benefits of it?

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Should I claim now?

Are we just claiming flavor or full role?

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Tourist - 2-Shot Commuter.

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Scum-commuter...I actually have no words for that.