Mini 1619 - Antihero: REDEMPTION [GAME OVER]

[Lying Cat]

VOTE: mollie

<3


My role pm has three extra words in it.

-sthar

[Lying Cat]

I have a gunsmith guilty on whichever slot Thor's gonna replace into.

Also, I don't have the link to my QT with AP and ETL. TIA.

[Lying Cat]

Mollie, why am I voting you?

Are you scum?

[Lying Cat]

What? I'm not good enough for an alignment? Mastin, pay attention to me!

[Lying Cat]

Antihero is totally Winnie the Pooh, yall.

In other news, mollie hasn't reached out to anyone yet, and Majiffy is badvoting. I do not approve of this.

[Lying Cat]

Mollie, I think APTL is town. What do you think about them?

(This is me saying that I am willing to work with you and I don't want you to disengage from this game)

[Lying Cat]

can we not make hydra breaking a habit in this game, speaking of things that drain interest/momentum

With this playerlist that's not a very likely outcome.

I am Jingle and Sthar8, and sthar8 is probably the only one who'll hydra slip.

ETL and AP will most certainly hydra slip.

Mollie might hydra slip in that she might post in several hydras.

We <3 that about them.

[Lying Cat]

I have my hydra buddy's RVS vote, and I'm working on that. Now shush, I'm engaging mollie.

[Lying Cat]

Well, you can. And you are. I'm just not sure what you're trying to do.

[Lying Cat]

It's page 6 LC.

NOPE! ITS PAGE 7!

[Lying Cat]

while you are doing the same thing.

FTFY

I'm a bit of a troll, but I put some content in the middle.

Also, ETL, I am Jingle. I am townreading you. I'm not trying to butter you up (right now).

I agree with mastin on youtown. I'm not gonna fakeclaim masons for you anytime soon, though, so there's room for improvement.

[Lying Cat]

i will never fakeclaim masons with anyone! i am severely against that practice (MASTIN.... MAJIFFY.....)

Once. In a marathon that was hilariously broken.

[Lying Cat]

VOTE: mastin

because I have a Night 0 cop guilty on him

fun fact: GG's guilty on peregrineV in organic chemistry was legit!

thus,

VOTE: mastin2

Cute. Too cute.

I saw your role pm. It was town.

Hello. I am a mason...with Mastin.

I sort of want to just call this a-not-quite-trust-tell-but-may-as-well-be-fuck-it post and leave it at that. Mastin can be townish.

This all reads as town to me. Specifically, I see AP town paranoia and what I think is ETL town lightheartedness.

[Lying Cat]

BTW, ETL am I right that the first one is AP and the second two are you?

[Lying Cat]

where's sthar? i need to piss him off.

sthars at work and we're playing RPGs tonight. Not sure if he's gonna be on after that.

[Lying Cat]

test?

Also, roger. Gonna tell sthar8 he's at L-1.

[Lying Cat]

No?

[Lying Cat]

It's page 8. Try again.

[Lying Cat]

[Lying Cat]

lol

[Lying Cat]

sthar still gets me to this day, though i think i finally havea way to figure him out. i just need him to get in hereand post.

If it's "piss him off so I can read his emotional state" I'd rather you just tunnel me all game. Anything else you can feel free to try though.

[Lying Cat]

I don't know stupendous man, ward, anatole.. that's it.

ETL

I know you know stupendous man but icr why and I'm too lazy to look it up right now.

[Lying Cat]

oh nm he's gone, whatever.

I'm gonna mastin-stream-of-consciousness the thread for a bit. Sorry in advance.

[Lying Cat]

lol that was my question. i just dont remember you acting like that in chosen. sthar8 - assessment?

nonindicative. withholding judgement for now.

[Lying Cat]

anything for you, tso

also, that nickname is pretty goofy

It's funny you should use the term goofy because when I say "tolemeister" in my head it's the voice of Pauly Shore's character in

A Goofy Movie

.

I find that whole sentence incredibly depressing.

[Lying Cat]

yah that was the first time i ever played with either AP or LC. or thor or reck or jiffy or mollie i think. i was so terrible lol... rereading my posts there makes me wanna slap myself.

LYING!

ETL was in my newbie. Also, the best quote that game was totally Grimgroove's.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p5433934

Whoopsies.

[Lying Cat]

She replaced stupendous man in reboot.

He was hydraing with cerb (also a newbie in my first game)

[Lying Cat]

if some1 that I am familiar with wants to give me a reach out that would be lovely

I gave you the nicest reach out I could think of and you have to be nice to me this game remember

[Lying Cat]

4 year olds are human beings too, etl!

Ok we're starting to stretch it here.

ap how the hell did you push that guilty through on thor

Deep down, everyone is begging for a reason to wagon the shit out of Thor in

every

game. He just provided the opportunity...

Hell, I'd vote Thor right now if I could.

[Lying Cat]

where's sthar? i need to piss him off.

See I'm trying to subvert that and also I'm planning another depressive crash very soon. Can we just not?

[Lying Cat]

Sthars L-1??? can I hammer pls pls pls

No?

[Lying Cat]

Oooh Saga, I haven't caught up to the latest issues, I hope they're good

Ward is not the lynch today.

[Lying Cat]

yah that was the first time i ever played with either AP or LC. or thor or reck or jiffy or mollie i think. i was so terrible lol... rereading my posts there makes me wanna slap myself.

LYING!

ETL was in my newbie. Also, the best quote that game was totally Grimgroove's.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p5433934

I thought you were never gonna hydra slip?

you're so worthless.

[Lying Cat]

Not interested in {GG, TSO, Ward, mollie, Anatole, mastin} right now.

Interested in discussing {Guy, Jiffy, MS}

I need to outsource my Bert read.

I want notty and beast to spam this shit up.

[Lying Cat]

yah that was the first time i ever played with either AP or LC. or thor or reck or jiffy or mollie i think. i was so terrible lol... rereading my posts there makes me wanna slap myself.

LYING!

ETL was in my newbie. Also, the best quote that game was totally Grimgroove's.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p5433934

I thought you were never gonna hydra slip?

you're so worthless.

Bad Jingle. Bad.

[Lying Cat]

if anyone knows any good home remedies for wasp stings, i would much appreciate them.

also, doing a vote count.

Ice is your best friend. Peanut butter helps too, unless you're allergic. Do not poke at them.

[Lying Cat]

Remove the stinger with tweezers, don't pinch it. Put vinegar on the affected area.

Do not do this. 'remove with tweezers, don't pinch' is a contradiction in terms unless you have no nerve endings, in which case you can ignore the sting anyway. If the stinger is still in, use a credit card or the flat side of a knife to scrape it off.

[Lying Cat]

Guyett is town. Not touching him LC.

I'll show you mine if you show me yours?

Why is ward so special to you? He said he was gonna catch up and then unvoted after a "few pages". Not particularly .. anything really.

In good faith: three reasons.
1) He reads Saga and is therefore a sexy and intelligent person
2) I think his posting so far fits with 'in over my head and lost.' I mean, we have like six pages of 'who do I know well enough to meta? what is my meta read on them?' and in-jokes from previous games. He has no context by which to interpret any of that. He's the fifth wheel at this key party, and I have no problem letting him warm himself up before he wades in and gets sticky.
3) T wants him alive, and I have a hard time saying no to him (Especially since I think the interaction is potentially informative)

sthar still gets me to this day, though i think i finally havea way to figure him out. i just need him to get in hereand post.

If it's "piss him off so I can read his emotional state" I'd rather you just tunnel me all game. Anything else you can feel free to try though.

Reading your emotional reactions is how I can read you. Why would you not want me to figure you out??

I really don't enjoy being angry. Hence trying to

subvert

'pissed-off jackass' as my town meta

And I've got a letter sitting on my desk. When I open it (and I have to, this week) I'm either gonna go full-on sociopath for a couple days or completely withdraw. Jingle will be around to carry the slot, but I'm trying not to exacerbate it any.

You people are throwing out townreads like they're junebugs on your screendoor.

It's a meta thing. Also, 'not interesting today' does not equal 'townread' all the time.

lol that was my question. i just dont remember you acting like that in chosen. sthar8 - assessment?

nonindicative. withholding judgement for now.

I don't like this, by the way. It's a distinct behavioral difference. You have experience playing with him closely, but then give me a non-answer wrt him pre-emptively defending himself and now defending Ward AND MS, both players with nothing in their ISO to warrant such reads.

ETL

Want in one hand, shit in the other.

T's pretty clearly excited to be here, but there are a number of possible explanations for that. Is one of them potentially "he's excited to have the opportunity to kick sthar/etl's asses as scum?" Yeah, but it's early days yet. He's playing very differently than he did in Faith, but he's grown a lot as a person and a player since then, and there were extenuating circumstances.

p-edit mastin

[Lying Cat]

T didn't account for me being spammy. Give him a couple of days.

How do you feel about jiffy and MS?

[Lying Cat]

and guy actually. I'm not giving etl the blank check until she explains it.

[Lying Cat]

No, seriously. Had entire scumteam

Did you have us? I know I argued against your kill because I didn't think you'd get us.

[Lying Cat]

Red flags, red flags!

I don't speak interpretive dance. Try english.

[Lying Cat]

How are you townreading me mastin

six green flags twirling

[Lying Cat]

long blue ribbon snapping in the wind

[Lying Cat]

If LC weren't LC, would be scumreading them.

We should hydra with Thor.

ITT sthar's an asshole.

I'm still waiting on mollie to make mollie noises.

[Lying Cat]

the pennant rises and falls

[Lying Cat]

i would like a million dollars, a crossbow, a cheeseburger with fries and intimate time with Samantha Barks.

[Lying Cat]

i would like a million dollars, a crossbow, a cheeseburger with fries and intimate time with Samantha Barks.

Frankly, I'd settle for 1/4.

[Lying Cat]

i would like a million dollars, a crossbow, a cheeseburger with fries and intimate time with Samantha Barks.

I do love "On My Own." But I'd prefer dead cat in this scenario.

Shit, now we can't lynch him based on his good taste in musical theatre.

[Lying Cat]

This is another kind of non-answer. Do you agree that MS and Ward are not worth of strong town reads at this point in time? Or not?

You seem to be operating under the assumption that town-read and don't want to lynch today mean the same thing. I at least have no town reads on either of them. I'm also still in my pregame trolling mode, so....

I'll do my best to make sure sthar8 treats this like a game. But he's a grumpy grumpy man.

Also, Stick with me, and you'll never go hungry again!

Off to work.

[Lying Cat]

or the one where guyett lynchedhimself on like page 2 (jiffy was the doube voter in that one). radiant tales of something or other was another one.

He was scum in that one with me, and I'm getting similar vibes. Plus he burned me badly recently and I'm not quite over it yet. Hence wanting to discuss. I'm aware of your accuracy there, hence wanting to discuss with you. Kinda like how you asked me about TSO.

I was half-joking with this really but if you're town here I don't know why you'd want to subvert your town meta.

Because it leads to games of 'poke sthar until he explodes' which is not fun for me, and can ruin the game for the target of my rage. As annoying as people who can't keep up with me are, I'd rather everyone have fun as this is, in fact, a game.

This is another kind of non-answer. Do you agree that MS and Ward are not worth of strong town reads at this point in time? Or not?

ETL

Well, I'm certainly not townreading MS. And Ward's not a townread so much as he's a bad push. But I understand TSO's logic. I thought we were talking about his preemptive defense thing? That's indicative of eagerness, and there are enough potential causes for eagerness that it's null to alignment right now. You're just gonna have to trust me on this one.

gah. no. I was asking you to comment on TSO having a town read on MS.

I disagree with that townread, I guess? That doesn't mean T is scum.

I don't get this reference.

He's saying that he can't

make

me do anything, because I'm bigger and stronger than him

And also that he's plotting to murder me an usurp my throne? idk

Are we role-hinting? Okay: Inc.

You know me. I've left like six crumbs already.

I am a little confused on why I am included in the spamming thing.

Because if you generate a lot of posts, I will be able to read you.

I'm running a 24 hour clock on ward, mollie, and jiffy.

[Lying Cat]

Mollie, tell me about majiffy.

[Lying Cat]

-Les Miserables

You should run a mini-theme based on this.

[Lying Cat]

one of ward/TSO

Is this an AP read? it

feels

like an AP read.

I don’t have the patience for bullshit right now.

Calm your shit. That whole push happened in like two hours between 4 and 6am my time...

PLAYER SATISFACTION IS NOT MY MAIN AREA OF CONCERN

"MS: NEVER LEAVES YOU SATISFIED"

pirate mollie - 1 (Lying Cat)
Is this still RVS? You expressed concern about Guyett - why aren't you voting there then?

Yes. I'm not worried about moving my RVS vote when we have players who haven't made non-RVS posts. I'm not voting guyett because that's pretty clearly a paranoia read. I'll be moving my vote to MS (probably) or Jiffy (maybe) at some point.

Forced isnt a scumtell for them.

It totally would be if anybody knew what our forced posts sound like. My theory is that since we make jokes and use words most people don't understand, they see it as trying too hard when in fact we're just making each other laugh.

p-edit notty ily
p-edit2 fuck ow stop so many posts
p-edit3 GODDAMMIT

[Lying Cat]

VOTE: majiffy

that was tactical, wasn't it?

[Lying Cat]

etl my wagon has spinning rims and a minibar

[Lying Cat]

Asking a neighbor a personal question is the hardest thing to do

no its not you knock on the door and say "howdy neighbor, i just gotta ask: are you skinning cats in there all night every night? because it sounds like you are."

[Lying Cat]

No.

How was I supposed to know ETL was going to meltdown?

More pressure

after

the 'hey cool down a bit' started coming in? You fumbled the flow.

Tilt-and-shake was never gonna work out in this playerlist anyway.

[Lying Cat]

Not Voting: Bert, Ward

THIS MAKES ME SO HAPPY YOU HAVE NO IDEA.

[Lying Cat]

sure

[Lying Cat]

magic juju priest

They prefer to be called 'rabbis'

[Lying Cat]

In post 344, beastcharizard wrote:

In post 302, mastin2 wrote:

In post 223, Lying Cat wrote:Not interested in {GG, TSO, Ward, mollie, Anatole, mastin} right now.
Interested in discussing {Guy, Jiffy, MS}
I need to outsource my Bert read.
I want notty and beast to spam this shit up.

Red flags, red flags!

Explain the red flags to me.

Each of bolded/italicized is an element of great concern; none seem town.

Ward gets a couple of meatworld days to find his legs/get replaced because of reasons I discussed earlier. There was a reason i didn't want to lynch AK today but icr what it was and I'll need to go look it up.

Guy is a paranoia read, I discussed that already and I'm gonna leave him alone for ETL's sake for a bit. Jiffy is disengaged from a small game at the beginning and making tactical moves that benefit scum. Bert I have a good track record with but I always waffle, hence asking for opinions.

Notty and beast are easier to read the more they post.

Remember that 'I don't want to lynch today' is not 'am townreading.'

[Lying Cat]

starella?

Yarr

[Lying Cat]

starella?

Yarr

am I crazy for thinking etl is scum

Probably. At the very least, this is all completely genuine. It reminds me a lot of AP's push on you in Reboot, actually.

I'm not trying to be insensitive or make it worse, but that's honestly the most reasonable way I can respond to behavior like that in a GAME among adults.

You are being none of {reasonable, mature, protown} with your posting today. Sometimes people get angry, and the adult thing to do is not to make that all about yourself. Back off, let everybody cool down, come back later.

[Lying Cat]

problematically weird.

[Lying Cat]

starella you guyz are scum this game aren't you?

nawp. Don't we have this exchange every game?

[Lying Cat]

Kiddo, she's acting exactly the same as in chosen. And the rage was real, I promise. It's certainly not an alignment tell.

Come vote majiffy with me.

[Lying Cat]

If you're gonna vote one of us, vote me. Then you'll only be on the second worst wagon in the game.

[Lying Cat]

I know but she did the same thing to me in chosen, remember?

[Lying Cat]

Yeah. I'm mobile and therefore not fact checking rn but she absolutely missed the point of at least one of my arguments and got aggressive over it. And she used the proficiency discredit a couple times.
P-edit but she's having outside-the-game issues here.

[Lying Cat]

Majiffy's not engaged in the game and his vote on GG was bad enough to make me drop the sonic scumread for now. It looks like his OC play, but his excuse for that game was 'hate larges.' Its not solid but Mollie agreeing gives me confidence.

[Lying Cat]

I was out egging with my friends!

[Lying Cat]

You're scumreading Sonic too?

I was.

[Lying Cat]

I'm not gonna give you too much shit since I plan to pass out candy to a couple thousand kids and then drink until I cannot stand, but... Who cleans it up after?

[Lying Cat]

Go ahead and consider the philosophical implications of that stance for a minute.

(and before Jingle chimes in, I'll confess that I've thrown plenty of eggs)


Is your Bert read more or less substantial than my jiffy one?

[Lying Cat]

Majiffy's not engaged in the game and his vote on GG was bad enough to make me drop the sonic scumread for now. It looks like his OC play, but his excuse for that game was 'hate larges.' Its not solid but Mollie agreeing gives me confidence.

Why does Majiffy have to do with sonic here? Is this sthar8?

I don't think jiffy's vote on sonic was between partners.

[Lying Cat]

Guyett is town. Not touching him LC.

I'll show you mine if you show me yours?

What does this even mean.

Could you two keep the showing each other things to the Speakeasy? In all seriousness though, he was saying he'd explain his townread if you explained yours. I think he did explain his townread.

T's pretty clearly excited to be here, but there are a number of possible explanations for that. Is one of them potentially "he's excited to have the opportunity to kick sthar/etl's asses as scum?" Yeah, but it's early days yet. He's playing very differently than he did in Faith, but he's grown a lot as a person and a player since then, and there were extenuating circumstances.

So what do you think is the reason for it?

He explained a lot of potential reasons, and I don't care to rehash it all. One possibility, for instance, was an excitement for the playerlist.

Well I think Cat/Sonic/Ns are a good palce to look for scummies right now.

I'm hurt ETL. We're more suspicious than Jiffy?

[Lying Cat]

Oh. In that case, ignore my last post. I don't respond to AP before he hits on me.

[Lying Cat]

You're gonna make me think you don't love me anymore, big bird.

Still, what's your read and reasoning on the Jiffy front?

[Lying Cat]

Yup...

And majiffy?

[Lying Cat]

@ starella

did you look at the link I posted?

I did, and I compared. The rage in that game was focused on one player and used to advance her wincon. Here, she just checked out immediately and let her anger color her posts toward everyone. She was mad, she was trying to keep it in check and instead wound up lashing out a bunch. Whereas in sabo I she was using the anger as an excuse not to interact with you guys. ETL's too smart to waste potential sympathy like that.

I'm not giving them a free pass, but they are a townread for us right now.

So, I intended to iso GG and accidentally clicked bert, and now I kinda wanna sheep onto that wagon...

[Lying Cat]

Re 751: I don't like the weird transition to a Bert scumread with no real explanation or follow up.

You just happened to misclick and iso bert? Uhhh. Did you go back and iso us after that "misclick"?

Yeah I did it this morning to double check what I was talking to mollie about.

I read bert's iso last night. It was late. We'd just seen John Wick. I was

lost

and

confused

and I

forgot how I got to that page

.

It made me

giggle

.

And now I'd sheep the bert wagon but I can't really explain why.

[Lying Cat]

lynching Majiffy

I agree with this service and/or product. Also, just gonna point out that every time I've tried to lynch mastin D1 I've won the game.

Seriously, show of hands: Who is townreading Jiffy?

VOTE: GG

I'm not dealing with another dumb ETL Meltdown.

Stop playing this game if you're going to get all shouty over a couple of votes early D1.

No.

How was I supposed to know ETL was going to meltdown?

This is at least as bad as MS's reaction test, and until that point Jiffy had a grand total of 0 game relevant posts.

VOTE: Lying Cats

Still have that niggling sensation about GG

When and why did "I'm not dealing with ETL's ATE" PL turn into a genuine scumread? And why is this the first we've heard of this?

@Guyett- Not D1. We did that. I've already crossed "Lynch Mastin D1" off of my scorecard, so she gets a pass to get her head in the game.

@Mastin- I'm not great at acting town. Can I interest you in knock-knock jokes and dirty limericks as a substitute?

[Lying Cat]

Majiffy - 1 (Lying Cat)

Seriously?

[Lying Cat]

The bit where the fence penetrates your arse

That means a lot from you considering you're not voting anyone and I'm leading a wagon on scum.

Don't talk about ongoing games, cause that sure as hell isn't happening here.

[Lying Cat]

Seriously? Did you read the rest of this page?

A hint: Jiffy's scum.

[Lying Cat]

Also,

@ETL: Leave AP. Come and join our hydra. We can be the Lying Catbug.

[Lying Cat]

Also,

@ETL: Leave AP. Come and join our hydra. We can be the Lying Catbug.

Are you creeping on my hydra buddy? I'll shank you.

Well, you're not flirting with me, so...

[Lying Cat]

I can see AK votes too at this point, but the Jiffy wagon is shinier. Both are better than MS imo.

[Lying Cat]

I haven't looked hard at him yet.

I haven't seen a single jiffy townread.

Phonepost- back on later

[Lying Cat]

BTW, guyett, I'm designing a setup that incentivizes hammers. I'll let you know when I /in to mod.

[Lying Cat]

BTW, guyett, I'm designing a setup that incentivizes hammers. I'll let you know when I /in to mod.

hey jingle,
this is your daily reminder that you're awful and your ideas are awful.

I'll take that as a pre-in.

[Lying Cat]

(1) y is ETL being voted
(2) y was guyitt self voting
(3) y all the other wagons <3

1. Some combination of scum and dogthoughts.
2. Some combination of frustration and dogthoughts.
3. Some combination of Jiffy being scum and dogthoughts.

But yeah, the game is pretty rad and you should totally rad it.

[Lying Cat]

^ I was scum in that game. That particular rage is fake as shit. But the Resistance-grumpy was real. As was my anger after the game bert linked.

I find it amusing that ETL and AP townread me for rage most of the time, Mollie scumreads me for it, and bert is willing to drop a lolhammer to avoid it.

It's really not indicative; I just happened to have a string of towngames while dealing with some difficult shit in meatworld. I realize that's not very helpful for reading sthar, but c'est la vie. WHAT makes me angry is another story, but you have to figure that out on your own.

I almost went nuts on AK the other day because he made a stupid post. But I did other things first and fell asleep before I could, and the moment passed.

p-edit bert all i got from that is that you aren't reading the game.

[Lying Cat]

But yeah, the game is pretty rad and you should totally rad it.

Im so serialkilling you tonight.

is it the sexy kind of serialkilling?

but seriously, AK is like the perfect vig target and a vig that shoots anyone else is terrible.

[Lying Cat]

Yes? Maybe? Not sure. It's not like everyone doesn't know that putting me in a townlist is the best way to deal with me.

not true. best way to deal with you is let you do your own thing until your narrative materializes.

[Lying Cat]

I would have -loved- to roll scum and win here. As Mafia dreams go, this would p much have been it.

I know, kiddo. Maybe next time.

[Lying Cat]

I feel it's always good to have the heavyweights feeling uncomfortable

ru fat shaming me bert

[Lying Cat]

After this post, star said next to nothing about why he would sheep my wagon. This was not a believable "I accidentally clicked his ISO and noticed him" It seems outlandish. It's like he is interested in looking at his read on me, but he doesn't poke on me or anything. not one bit of interest to see if other people might follow his potential vote on me.

It's the guttiest of gut reads and I may be way off base. I was referencing something to ETL and I think she got it, but apparently disagrees with me. Besides, I'm actively scumreading majiffy and he's my preferred lynch by a long shot.

Also, LC's vote has been on Majiffy for a long time, and hasn't been anywhere else, which means despite voicing some other reads (scumreads like me), they aren't scraping together something solid on Majiffy.

There is nothing to work with on the Majiffy vote, and to heap onto that, I have no idea why they are voting Jiffy when they said they ISOéd GG (didn't come up with something conclusive), and then ISOed me and evidently found me scummy. And then, they are asking people to vote Jiffy with them.

I think the case on majiffy is p solid. There are a myriad of reasons to find him scummy, enumerated by us and others. If you don't understand any of them, feel free to ask. I ISO'd GG because I was talking about them with mollie; you can read the results of that in thread.

[Lying Cat]

i know me too. i accidentally cut him off a bit and i'm trying to undo that with dialogue.

[Lying Cat]

I'm not currently drunk.

[Lying Cat]

Prod-Dodge. Tomorrow, I promise.

[Lying Cat]

I'm here and catching up on things. I meant to do this yesterday, but one of my friends just bought an XBox and a TV and I was co-opted into cleaning his damn apartment so he could set it up. It was gross and there was 3 year old soda beneath his computer desk.

In other news, the Jiffy wagon continues to be better than any other option, although the flubberwagon is leagues better than the GG wagon.

Because lynching Mastin D1 is about as dumb as lynching Majiffy or Mollie D1.

How is this any worse than lynching GG D1? Or are you insinuating that APTL is somehow worse at mafia than the trifecta?

For reference, here's a list of names that I personally am not willing to lynch today. I think sthar8 has a few himself, but honestly I haven't talked to him about anything relevant to this game in too long.

Bert
mastin2
Guilty Gunsmith (EspeciallytheLies and AngryPidgeon)
Lying Cat (sthar8 and Jingle)
pirate mollie
Guyett
T S O

[Lying Cat]

does anyone actually have a reason for their flubber vote?

jc

Because he has posted absolutely nothing that looks town motivated? Am I the only one that sees how void his slot is of protown ANYTHING?

Which is why he's a better vote than you guys. He's still not as good as Jiffy though.

@Jingle: Out of curiosity, why did you put yourself halfway down your not-lynch list? I'm not asking why you included yourself in a town list, mostly curious why you positioned yourself where you did. I may or may not be going anywhere with this.

Look at the order, then look at the player list. This time it was because it's not in order of strength of reads. I'd do something similar to crumb cop innos, though.

[Lying Cat]

yeah I don't think flubb is scum

I kind of agree with this. He's not scum or town, just a big ol bag of null.

PEdit: That... does bear some looking into. The NS wagon is now better than the flubberwagon, but not as good as the Majiffy wagon, for those of you keeping score at home.

[Lying Cat]

Yes, yes. Well hung fruit and all that.

In other news, we can add AK to the list of people I don't want to lynch today. NS, not so much.

[Lying Cat]

Okay. I've been convinced. Jiffy can be tomorrow.

VOTE: Notscience

[Lying Cat]

notscience- Even scummier than Jiffy at this point.
Flubbernugget- Null. Just about the worst information lynch at this point, too.
Metal Sonic- I haven't even started trying to sort this out, although I remember having slight townvibes from before the ETL blow up.
Anatole Kuragin- His last points were fairly town, and he's taken himself off the table for today.
beastcharizard- He has done literally nothing this game.
Majiffy- I think his play is from scum- enough said.

I'm not elaborating on anyone else right now.

[Lying Cat]

And you're definitely playing a town game here.

By the way, passive aggressive bullshit isn't a good way to convince me you're town.

[Lying Cat]

Clearly we just need to start policy lynching each other on principle

Thor told me to vote him. The flowchart tells me to listen to him. Clearly, Thor must be scum.

[Lying Cat]

I am officially out of rum. Unfortunately, that means that I'm forced to actually play mafia.

I'd like to smurf a Flubber case, an NS case, and the people voting Guilty Gunsmith and Metal Sonic should either try to smurf a case or smurf their wagon is narf and smurf off for one of the contenders.
I smurf that smurfing that I am one half of the GG wagon.

@Mastin - what are you smurfing with that useless vote at this stage of the game?

Thor. I'mma level with you here. I think you're scum. I also think Notty is scum. The GG wagon is about as useful as a two year old coloring in a calculus book. You could go a long way on relieving my worries about you by helping me lynch notty.

Flubber is lynchbait. MS could maybe be scum, I guess, but I prefer a prettier dance partner.

thor665 replaces majiffy

On one hand, Thor, so lynching him probably bad.

On other hand...THOR. How can we resist?

I haven't crossed "Lynch Thor D1" off of my cheevos card. You make a tempting offer.

PEDIT: HEY MASTIN! WHY IS NOTTY TOWN?

[Lying Cat]

@Thor:

He's comparing how I had empty promises of doing things in 1543 to how I made a supposed promise here and didn't follow through

not really, ure "i dont know why X is townreading me" is kinda over the top when it's all day 1 long

jiffy asked you why youre reading ETL town but not jiffy himself, and you went "im cautious to townread quickly people who have fooled me before"

then, you mention that ETL has fooled you in her only past scumgame with you...

so he bsaically dismissed the whole validity of your argument for not townreading jiffy, since u had no real response to why youre townreading ETL and giving her the benefit of the doubt, whereas you arent giving jiffy the same in your reads list

which means whatever narrative you say youre planning, those reads have no accountability

Spoiler: jiffy-ns convo im referring 2

I don't townread bert every game

I don't townread mollie every game

I'm being more careful about ETL read when I've really only misread her once in recent history but she was scum so its kinda big

Maybe you should try using your innocent child ability

that might help

Nice dodge.

I'm not in your townreads list. But you just posited that you townread me in every game as some kind of refutation of you not currently townreading me.

Which is it? Are you or are you not townreading me?

I'm not

And it's not so much meant to be a refutation so much as it's meant to be a "I'm being careful not to give you a townread when you're scum" again

So you won't townread me because paranoia but you'll townread ETL even though you're supposedly being careful after townreading her after she was scum in a game?

I find your logic baffling.

It's okay

So do I

In addition, notty's been pretty egregious with the "I don't intend to defend myself."

He's made it abundantly clear that he does not intend to play this game. There is a greater than 50% chance he is scum. If he isn't, we haven't actually lost any town players.

Furthermore:

How are you townreading me mastin

The only person in this game who is actually townreading me is mastin I think, because this play is so different than how I normally am as town but it's not even my scumplay where with my scumplay it'd all be based on appeasement and blatant buddying

I still direct attention to how the only person in this game to townread me is mastin

mastin's townreading me but I haven't been anyone near either of my metas

Btw thor mastin is townreading me for god knows why

Notty keeps bringing up mastin townreading him (perhaps to remind us that someone thinks he's town) and implying that means mastin is scum. He has yet to actually vote mastin or really push her as a viable lynch.

[Lying Cat]

I'm gonna pass out now.

[Lying Cat]

Thor. I'm scumreading you because Majiffy did things that made me think he was scum, you replaced into the same slot, and then you did things that make me think you're scum. Why should I not be?

Alternatively, why is the TSO wagon any better than my NS wagon? Did you catch the NS case I made, or are you ignoring it for no reason?

[Lying Cat]

VOTE: Thor

Mine.

[Lying Cat]

Are you going to link me/tell me what it was Majiffy did that looked scum to you yet - or would you prefer me to ignore your vote as lacking any pressure?
I'm fine with either option, I just want to know how dismissive of you I'm supposed to be

Every interaction between Jiffy and NS was weird, and every interaction between you and mollie has been weird.

Also, in the past I've seen town you vote in the same style. The difference there was that I could clearly see what you were thinking, and here... Well.

VOTE: Thor

[Lying Cat]

@Mastin - what are you doing with that useless vote at this stage of the game?

Vote: TSO

This also. I really don't like this. You push weakly at mastin because vanity vote, only to turn around and vanity vote.

Flubbernugget
Guilty Gunsmith
notscience
Metal Sonic

4 wagons, all with multiple votes. You, berating town for not getting close to a lynch. And you vote someone that multiple people have townread. Is that saying that you have a hard townread on all four, or that your bluster about not wanting a no lynch was just that: bluster? Why were you so opposed to the established wagons that you had to push such a shit case on TSO?

[Lying Cat]

That one feels like a Vig kill rather than a scum kill, I have to say.

Justify this statement.

[Lying Cat]

Are you going to link me/tell me what it was Majiffy did that looked scum to you yet - or would you prefer me to ignore your vote as lacking any pressure?
I'm fine with either option, I just want to know how dismissive of you I'm supposed to be

Every interaction between Jiffy and NS was weird, and every interaction between you and mollie has been weird.

Also, in the past I've seen town you vote in the same style. The difference there was that I could clearly see what you were thinking, and here... Well.

VOTE: Thor

attn: hydras and mollie

jingle was right to do this. had he just quoted himself voting, i wouldn't have counted the vote.

VOTE: Thor

[Lying Cat]

not voting her. LC is scum. He took out TSO - the one person here who can probably read him best. I'm looking at {LC, flubber, ??} I kinda forgot who all is in this over the night.

ETL, are you scum?

Like, seriously. If we had been scum, you would be dead. You could probably realize this from two things: 1. This is Jingle. I don't think sthar has even logged on in days. I DON'T have the same kill criteria as sthar8 does, and Thor can damn well confirm that I don't shoot people because they might be suspicious later. TSO doesn't know me well at all. 2. TSO WAS NOT SCUMREADING US. HE WAS NOT A THREAT TO US. Who was he scumreading? Thor. Who makes sense as the person to kill him? Thor.

[Lying Cat]

Keep your pants on, Thor. I'll get to you in time.

[Lying Cat]

sitechat people keep distracting me.

[Lying Cat]

Guyett, with me! VOTE THOR!

This also. I really don't like this. You push weakly at mastin because vanity vote, only to turn around and vanity vote.

I did.
Are you honestly telling me you can't spot the difference?
And even more so - that you see it as a scum plan? Like I was desperate to get away from all my scumbuddies who were currently being wagoned or something? You're talking, I don't feel like you're thinking - walk me through this.

What could you gain by pushing a TSO lynch? A No lynch. Who benefits from no lynching? Hmm.

That one feels like a Vig kill rather than a scum kill, I have to say.

Justify this statement.

I see less than any reason scum would opt to kill TSO. Therefore - the killing of a lurking non-provider with weak reads strikes me as a vig kill.
Justify why you think this is an unusual belief on my part?

There were better vig targets and worse lurkers. Any vig that shot TSO was drunk, or stupid, or both. I find it much more likely that any of the people who actually would have benefited from TSO dying would have shot him. There's also a possibility that ETL wanted to frame me with it, but I don't want to go down that rabbit hole yet.

and Thor can damn well confirm that I don't shoot people because they might be suspicious later.

I can?

You remember that one time when I shot you cause... Oh wait. I've never shot you. It's almost like I'm not scared of arguing with good players or of players who think I'm scum. I took conftown you into LYLO, and you damned well remember that. Reconcile that with "He shot TSO because he's scared that TSO can read him."

Who was he scumreading? Thor. Who makes sense as the person to kill him? Thor.

If you're just going to dodge accusations, just tell me.

You need to get me waaaaay more excited to get the pants off. Currently you just have an extra button or two on my top open.

Well, I'm not wearing a top.

If we had been scum, you would be dead.

[/quote]

ETL, thought experiment. You and AP paranoia read sthar as scum EVERY SINGLE GAME. Why, then, as scum shooting people likely to suspect us, do we shoot TSO, who wasn't scumreading us, instead of you?

PEdit: Huh. I accidentally killed the links. I'm... Not actually sure what did that and I'm not fixing it.

[Lying Cat]

Oh, nevermind. They're back. interesting.

[Lying Cat]

Last visited:Fri Nov 14, 2014 10:14 am

That's from sthar8's profile. We also didn't discuss the game over the night phase.

I've killed people before because I didn't think the kill would be attributed to me.

I don't think you staying alive clears me, but the idea that I'd kill TSO out of fear is fucking laughable.

Link me to ONE GAME where you didn't read sthar8 as scum and you were town. ONE. Link me to one from AP, too, while you're at it.

[Lying Cat]

Guyett's football game. Snork played.

Dunno about AP but he hasn't been around, now, has he?

You mean managerial mafia, where every mention for the first 20 in CNTRL F in your iso is "I don't like sthar" or something to that effect? The game where you accused him of gaslighting you?

[Lying Cat]

Who were the 'better' Vig targets in your opinion?

In order? Notty, Beast, You. Both notty and beast are lurking harder than TSO was. You're scum-as-hell. TSO was at least giving reads.

And no, TSO's death doesn't clear me. But saying that it fits my modus operandi is dumb as hell.

[Lying Cat]

Thor, I guess it's a good thing I don't have to convince you that you are scum.

[Lying Cat]

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING WITH THAT?

PEdit: I know, ETL. You're not gonna find one though. I've read every single game he's played. And we've discussed it. You, mollie, AP... Hell the entire reboot cast paranoias on him because you've seen him play as scum really well. I think I might be the only person who can consistently read him accurately, and I don't plan on sharing the secret anytime soon.

It's the same secret I've used to correctly name aphix's alignment on page 3 of every game he's played, btw.

Whoopsies.

[Lying Cat]

@Thor:

He's comparing how I had empty promises of doing things in 1543 to how I made a supposed promise here and didn't follow through

not really, ure "i dont know why X is townreading me" is kinda over the top when it's all day 1 long

jiffy asked you why youre reading ETL town but not jiffy himself, and you went "im cautious to townread quickly people who have fooled me before"

then, you mention that ETL has fooled you in her only past scumgame with you...

so he bsaically dismissed the whole validity of your argument for not townreading jiffy, since u had no real response to why youre townreading ETL and giving her the benefit of the doubt, whereas you arent giving jiffy the same in your reads list

which means whatever narrative you say youre planning, those reads have no accountability

Spoiler: jiffy-ns convo im referring 2

I don't townread bert every game

I don't townread mollie every game

I'm being more careful about ETL read when I've really only misread her once in recent history but she was scum so its kinda big

Maybe you should try using your innocent child ability

that might help

Nice dodge.

I'm not in your townreads list. But you just posited that you townread me in every game as some kind of refutation of you not currently townreading me.

Which is it? Are you or are you not townreading me?

I'm not

And it's not so much meant to be a refutation so much as it's meant to be a "I'm being careful not to give you a townread when you're scum" again

So you won't townread me because paranoia but you'll townread ETL even though you're supposedly being careful after townreading her after she was scum in a game?

I find your logic baffling.

It's okay

So do I

In addition, notty's been pretty egregious with the "I don't intend to defend myself."

He's made it abundantly clear that he does not intend to play this game. There is a greater than 50% chance he is scum. If he isn't, we haven't actually lost any town players.

Furthermore:

How are you townreading me mastin

The only person in this game who is actually townreading me is mastin I think, because this play is so different than how I normally am as town but it's not even my scumplay where with my scumplay it'd all be based on appeasement and blatant buddying

I still direct attention to how the only person in this game to townread me is mastin

mastin's townreading me but I haven't been anyone near either of my metas

Btw thor mastin is townreading me for god knows why

Notty keeps bringing up mastin townreading him (perhaps to remind us that someone thinks he's town) and implying that means mastin is scum. He has yet to actually vote mastin or really push her as a viable lynch.

@Thor.

[Lying Cat]

No. I think TSO was a shitty vig prospect. I think that someone who wasn't townreading him may have chosen to vig him if there weren't people literally begging to be vigged. I think the assertion of "There's no way scum would NK him" is incredibly scummy from someone he was pushing at the end of the day.

I'm done posting cases at you. I think I've made a good argument. I don't think you're going to stop addressing it from a high horse.

And I'm sheeping ETL on Guyett. I can't read him, and she can. For now, I'm not worrying about that.

[Lying Cat]

BTW, Guyett, mollie, flubber, Bert. All better than TSO as vig target.

And where the fuck is mollie? Mollie? Hello? Is there anybody in there?

[Lying Cat]

Lets see:

Chosen: Both town, scumread each other.
OC: Both Town, we townread you, you scumread us. Both of us had PRs.
Think Twice: Him scum. You scumread him (This was the gaslighting game, btw.)
Brass +Shrapnel: You were scum.
Faith +1: He was scum, you scumread him.
True Love: You replaced in and lynched scum him.
Street Racers: You thought he was scum.

The only break in the pattern? Watch your step. Where he made exactly 3 posts, and I played the rest of the game. (And got shot by my own scum team.)

Did I miss any games? Any?

[Lying Cat]

I
I am thinking I've expressed my thoughts already on a number of topics and choose not to repeat things generically for no reason.

I am thinking you haven't. You offered dislike of leading wagons for reasons such as "oh, don't like this" and you doled out townreads randomly without explanation. Your case on me is shit. Your predecessor was also scummy.

Very scumgame. How d2 lynch.

could hammer, don't have a problem doing so either, but want a claim.

the incongruency of these 2 statements stand out to me.

ETL... His last post, where he's saying Thor didn't have a good case against him, (which I agree with, though it's academic) and the previous few pages where he's talking about wanting to lynch Thor. Let's look at those again, shall we?

Not really, at all, actually - but whatever you think.

You still didn't explain why I'm scum - but knowing your play so far, it'll take ages and it'll be an awful read that no-one agrees with.

[Lying Cat]

Not sure how I fucked up that quote. But it is fucked up.

I
I am thinking I've expressed my thoughts already on a number of topics and choose not to repeat things generically for no reason.

I am thinking you haven't. You offered dislike of leading wagons for reasons such as "oh, don't like this" and you doled out townreads randomly without explanation. Your case on me is shit. Your predecessor was also scummy.

Very scumgame. How d2 lynch.

could hammer, don't have a problem doing so either, but want a claim.

the incongruency of these 2 statements stand out to me.

Not really, at all, actually - but whatever you think.

You still didn't explain why I'm scum - but knowing your play so far, it'll take ages and it'll be an awful read that no-one agrees with.

[Lying Cat]

I also think that etl going after those cat creatures for the reasons she is giving is pretty lame. she was nked in faith plus for being obvtown and a special and I think for the same reasons in street racer. if she wasn't a special she was defo obvtown. so the fearkill mongering that she is doing is very very bad cos wouldn't cat creatures nk their slot before tso? it looks like a set-up of lying cat.

I expect it from town here tbh. It's frustrating as all hell, but it's not a scumtell.

[Lying Cat]

No I don't think Guyett is scum without ETL being scum based on her ability to read him.

Player A is scumreading Player B.
Player A dies.
Player B is a strong possibility for scum. I don't see any problem with this logic.

I'll link the case in a while.

[Lying Cat]

ETL had a frontrow seat to our A-game as scum. She's got just as much right, if not more, to paranoia read us.

BTW, Guyett, mollie, flubber, Bert. All better than TSO as vig target.

And where the fuck is mollie? Mollie? Hello? Is there anybody in there?

why exactly would I have been a better vig target? you are speaking as if you had predetermined alignment knowledge of tso. this is also called reverse cheerleading but unfortunately town do that shit all of the time.

You are less readable than TSO. You weren't a good vig target, but a better one than TSO for sure.

I also think that etl going after those cat creatures for the reasons she is giving is pretty lame. she was nked in faith plus for being obvtown and a special and I think for the same reasons in street racer. if she wasn't a special she was defo obvtown. so the fearkill mongering that she is doing is very very bad cos wouldn't cat creatures nk their slot before tso? it looks like a set-up of lying cat.

I expect it from town here tbh. It's frustrating as all hell, but it's not a scumtell.

are you saying you expect it from all town or just etl? can you be a bit more specific?

I expect it from town ETL. Hell, ETL townreading us is almost a scumtell. I've also been told, though it's not confirmed yet, that ETL uses flawed meta as town too.

[Lying Cat]

lynching Majiffy

I agree with this service and/or product. Also, just gonna point out that every time I've tried to lynch mastin D1 I've won the game.

Seriously, show of hands: Who is townreading Jiffy?

VOTE: GG

I'm not dealing with another dumb ETL Meltdown.

Stop playing this game if you're going to get all shouty over a couple of votes early D1.

No.

How was I supposed to know ETL was going to meltdown?

This is at least as bad as MS's reaction test, and until that point Jiffy had a grand total of 0 game relevant posts.

VOTE: Lying Cats

Still have that niggling sensation about GG

When and why did "I'm not dealing with ETL's ATE" PL turn into a genuine scumread? And why is this the first we've heard of this?

@Guyett- Not D1. We did that. I've already crossed "Lynch Mastin D1" off of my scorecard, so she gets a pass to get her head in the game.

@Mastin- I'm not great at acting town. Can I interest you in knock-knock jokes and dirty limericks as a substitute?

Are you going to link me/tell me what it was Majiffy did that looked scum to you yet - or would you prefer me to ignore your vote as lacking any pressure?
I'm fine with either option, I just want to know how dismissive of you I'm supposed to be

Every interaction between Jiffy and NS was weird, and every interaction between you and mollie has been weird.

Also, in the past I've seen town you vote in the same style. The difference there was that I could clearly see what you were thinking, and here... Well.

VOTE: Thor

@Mastin - what are you doing with that useless vote at this stage of the game?

Vote: TSO

This also. I really don't like this. You push weakly at mastin because vanity vote, only to turn around and vanity vote.

Flubbernugget
Guilty Gunsmith
notscience
Metal Sonic

4 wagons, all with multiple votes. You, berating town for not getting close to a lynch. And you vote someone that multiple people have townread. Is that saying that you have a hard townread on all four, or that your bluster about not wanting a no lynch was just that: bluster? Why were you so opposed to the established wagons that you had to push such a shit case on TSO?

[Lying Cat]

I find it strange that you are saying that guyett would be a better vig target than tso after positing etl can read guyett and she was calling him town. like why would you think that.

better =/= good. I think there were three good vig choices last night. I had a strong townread on TSO. I think Thor's reaction to the kill was suspect.

I don't trust ETL as far with bert as with Guyett. (Although, bert's been pretty town so far.)

ETL, sthar does kill based on his experience with players. I can confirm this. The flaw in your application is that assuming that that would be the reason here.

@Lying Cat - If I understand your case correctly;

Majiffy pressured ETl, got a negative/hotheaded response, decided to lynch her over it and later (in a post you didn't quote) advanced it to some sort of stronger scum read) and you find that to be scum play from Majiffy.
Plus whatever I did in my interactions with Mollie (which appears to be me asking her why she's happy I showed up because she finds me hard to read and her countering that she was town reading Majiffy so won't have to puzzle me unless...who knows what the hell happens, and me calling that weaksauce...which I don't really understand why that pings you, but I'm guessing that's it)
And that's the case.

Am I missing anything there - or do I have it in toto?
Feel free to fill in any blanks, I want to make sure I understand it before I comment on it.

No. Majiffy wanted to PL ETL after she had a meltdown

and

was calming down, then moved to a scumread without actually mentioning them again.

Then, majiffy and mollie did this weird dance around each other. Then, majiffy and notscience had their weirdass interaction. Then you replaced in, and began a terrible push on TSO. Then I posted a case on you. Then we had this whole fucking waste of a back and forth. Then you got lynched and flipped scum.

[Lying Cat]

Also, mastin and flubber really need to get their asses in here.

[Lying Cat]

I'm back and catching up.

You posted a lot, so it might take me day(s).

-sthar

[Lying Cat]

p-dodge

[Lying Cat]

this is the most srs I have ever seen you.

Mollie has a drinking problem:



I promise I'll make time for this tonight.

Mine.

[Lying Cat]

Hmmm. I took both pagetops with the same post. I must be magical.

[Lying Cat]

Vote: Bert

.
Note tags. Vote's for voting's sake.

Hey, mastin. I'm not feeling the Bert vote, could you explain yourself?

Also, I'm sorry I've been lurking like fuck this game. I promise that I'll devote some time to this soon. Also, sthar promised me he'd actually catch up sometime soon.

This game needs a major kick in the pants to get it going, so here goes:

Bert's our neighbor. Scum almost certainly have daychat, because we do.

Bert and Thor are 100% not scum together.

Thor is almost certainly going to claim vig.

Discuss.

[Lying Cat]

Hey, mastin. I'm not feeling the Bert vote, could you explain yourself?

Iso me, control-f "Bert". Not town whole game.

Yes, your read is very consistent. Now

why

do you think bert is scum?

[Lying Cat]

Hey Thor. If you claim Vig/notvig in your next post I'll think about voting flubber.

[Lying Cat]

There is no sk, read opening post.

Thor has been pretty obviously setting up a vig claim. I think it's because he's scum, trying to slide under the radar. Leaving it likely but unclaimed does nothing.

If I was scum it would be dumb to claim Vig due to risk of being shot by real Vig.
If I was Vig it would be dumb to claim Vig due to drawing in a shot/block from scum.
If I was town PR it would be dumb to claim Vig due to drawing in a shot/block from scum or real Vig.
If I was vanilla town it would be debatably okay to claim Vig due to drawing in a shot/block from scum but at a negative of wasting a shot from real Vig.

So...in what universe are you operating in wherein you're trying to fish for something like that?
Stop being a feeb.

The presumption is that youscum knows the existence of a real vig AND knows that I would call you out on this is cute.

How's this, Lying Cat - I just got mastin (under threat of being called feth terrible at assessing wagons) to admit that the wagon on me is all kinds of gakked up.
Why are you even dancing around instead of backing up someone who, regardless of your incredibly anti-town Vig fish play - is pretty clearly not factional scum.

Basically either make an SK case - or sheep me.
Pick one.
Hell, pick both, but at least be proactive about your stance and analyze the wagon regardless.

You're overstating what mastin said, which is scummy, and you're assuming that I don't like your wagon. The worst part of your wagon is beast and, well:

Thor666(4)- (Lying Cat, Flubbernugget, Bert, Guyett)

No beast anymore.

[Lying Cat]

Mastin, I find your lack of reasoning disturbing.

[Lying Cat]

Do you even lift?

Do you even non-sequitur?

mastina can you explain to me why you are voting bert?

Now that is exactly what I said.



Dig yourself, baby. You got a way to go.

[Lying Cat]

Do you even lift?

Do you even non-sequitur?

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/do-you-even-lift

The point of my post though, was you were missing the point of what was happening in game. A point that now three other players, and myself, have admitted as to existing - that the wagon on me screams scum driven push.

Why are you not even at least considering it and ruling it out? You're, instead, acting like it doesn't even exist.
Hence: do you even lift?
Or, if you like; do you even scumhunt?

@Flubber - as long as you're asking Anatole to back up his thoughts about me, why don't you explain your current thoughts about the gamestate? You've also been a little closed up about those.

I do scumhunt. (Sometimes)

And frankly, mastin's soft indictment of your wagon and you calling it scumdriven were not compelling to me because A) mastin has inspired 0 confidence in me this game (I liked the vote, mollie!) and B) I generally tend to ignore people I think are scum saying the wagon I'm pushing on them is scummy. ETL has raised some doubts, though, so...

VOTE: beast

I could see this hang. I'd also be fine with flubber, but beast seems just a little more useless.

[Lying Cat]

I'm here, no prod.

I'll hammer before DL. Flubber, claim.

[Lying Cat]

VOTE: flubber

VOTE: flubber

I don't usually hydra slip this much. I blame the alcohol.

[Lying Cat]

i did change my mind about thor and had him as more null during d2, and posted saying i did a 360 bout him in the neighborhood during n2...

True enough. He did post that.

I also meant to elaborate on my reads in the PT because I thought Thor was gonna shoots us (regardless of whether he was vig/scum), but it turns out I was wrong on both guesses there. APTL is pretty obvtown imo, due to the whole flubber thing. Bert's end of day seemed off to me.

Bert, could you explain the jump to beast right at deadline?

Mastin, also, is frustratingly nonexistent.

The "Thor crumbed" argument doesn't matter at all. Even if that was a crumb for mollie not going anywhere, and I don't think it was, tracker innos mean balls when there're multiple scum.

Beast, what is your opinion on literally any of the players I just mentioned, and why?

[Lying Cat]

hey starella! I think this constitutes as etl trying to shut down convo when it isn't going her way you know that thing you said she did as scum?

Sorry, mollie, sthar fell into this thing called working retail in December. I'll let him know you called.

As for APTL, explain to me how their interaction with Flubber looks like scum/scum at all.

@Guyett- I'm willing to listen to a mastin case if you've got one.

[Lying Cat]

Anatole's defense of him also looks suspect after that flip.

I remember thinking he obvtowned a while ago, but I can't remember balls that he's done. I asked about him overnight in the PT, and the response was that he's been around. Could someone elaborate on that? Because I remember less about him than about beast, and thats not a good thing.

[Lying Cat]

VOTE: notty

Why, mollie?

[Lying Cat]

If you wanted to, you could have talked to me about it in the neighborhood thread, which you avoid and/or drag out your replies to for days at a time.. to where getting any kind of answers from you is like pulling teeth. I think neighborizing you was a total waste of time, and if I could change that choice from a month ago to someone else, I would.

You're implying that I've dropped in activity in the Neighbor thread. Which is untrue.

You had zero questions for me, and have not had any since the beginning of Day 2 where you asked if I wanted to let the others know we have daytalk. If you really wanted an answer to that, you would have asked before this post. Who has been asking any questions since Day 2? There has been no effort by you to read me since the beginning of when I neighborized you. The next neighbor will notice this. You're saying my play looks bad on Day 2, but how come you never mentioned it in the thread? Now you're saying you'll be mostly be posting in the thread, and that if I want any clarifications about your reads, I should just ask. <-- that is not an effort to read me if you truly suspect me

No, I haven't been asking you questions. I have been attempting to read you by letting you post, but frankly I don't expect a lot from the neighborhood thread, and your choice to neighborize me was an objectively bad one.

I wasn't sure about Beast or Flubber, as they were both extremely lurky. There were arguments for flubber being null. I really wanted to side with Mollie and go for Beast at the end of the day, especially after he went "notscience you KNOW I am town, please help me convince them" once he was gaining some votes (near L-1).

And if not for the deadline, I probably would have stayed on Beast instead of switching back to Flubber. They had been equally empty slots throughout the game...it was like a competition for who can active-lurk the hardest.

VOTE: Flubber

Because softclaim from beastie boy

Will respond tomorrow, but I think deadline's tomorrow afternoon/night?

Vote count please? Spent tonight blowing up balloons...first time with squiggly ones, the jumbos were easiest!

@notscience

reason why you 'know' Beast is town?

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Beast

This doesn't make me confident in Bert town. The dancing around beast and flubber is weird to say the least.

Also, his defense was worse than Flubber's, in that he started slinging "none of you have any reasons for voting me" and "is this a policy lynch?" to whoever was voting him. Then, his vote on Thor and subsequent quick unvote once Thor reached L-1 also did not add up.

They are both voting me actually.

ns, tell them I am town. You KNOW I am town so please help me convince them.

I'm looking for someone. Hades promised to help. I tried to exploit the power of darkness, but it backfired. I fell into darkness, and I couldn't find the light.

-Kingdom Hearts

Vote Count 2.10

beastcharizard - 2 (pirate mollie, Lying Cat)
Flubbernugget - 4 (Thor665, mastin2, Guilty Gunsmith, Bert)
mastin2 - 1 (Guyett)
pirate mollie - 2 (Anatole Kuragin, beastcharizard)
Thor665 - 1 (Flubbernugget)

Not Voting: notscience

6 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2014-12-05 13:16:44)

And how is the 'softclaim' suddenly irrelevant? Why was the softclaim worth worrying about in the first place?

[Lying Cat]

Spoiler: vote counts day 2

Kirk: Khan, you bloodsucker. You're going to have to do your own dirty work now! Do you hear me? Do you?
Khan: Kirk? You're still alive, my old friend?
Kirk: Still, "old friend!" You've managed to kill everyone else, but like a poor marksman, you keep missing the target!
Khan: Perhaps I no longer need to try, Admiral.
[beams the Genesis device away]
Kirk: Khan... Khan, you've got Genesis, but you don't have me. You were going to kill me, Khan. You're going to have to come down here. You're going to have to come down here!
Khan: I've done far worse than kill you, Admiral. I've hurt you. And I wish to go on hurting you. I shall leave you as you left me, as you left her; marooned for all eternity in the center of a dead planet... buried alive! Buried alive...!
Kirk: KHAAANNNN!
[echo]
Kirk: KHAAANNNN!

-The Wrath of Khan

Vote Count 2.7

Bert - 1 (mastin2)
Guilty Gunsmith - 1 (pirate mollie)
Guyett - 1 (Thor665)
pirate mollie - 1 (Anatole Kuragin)
Thor665 - 4 (Lying Cat, Flubbernugget, Bert, Guyett)

Not Voting: beastcharizard, Guilty Gunsmith, notscience

6 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2014-12-05 13:16:44)

Her application to a sober life and industrious management at last in Virginia, with her transported spouse, is a story fruitful of instruction to all the unfortunate creatures who are obliged to seek their re-establishment abroad […] letting them know that diligence and application have their due encouragement, even in the remotest parts of the world, and that no case can be so low […] but that an unwearied industry will go a great way to deliver us from it, will in time raise the meanest creature to appear again the world, and give him a new case for his life.

-Moll Flanders

Vote Count 2.8

Bert - 1 (mastin2)
Flubbernugget - 2 (Thor665, pirate mollie)
pirate mollie - 1 (Anatole Kuragin)
Thor665 - 4 (Lying Cat, Flubbernugget, Bert, Guyett)

Not Voting: beastcharizard, Guilty Gunsmith, notscience

6 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2014-12-05 13:16:44)

Perhaps I would never know who he was, where he came from, where he was going, but I could see the man more and more distinctly from the scientist. It was not common misanthropy that had enclosed Captain Nemo and his companions in the flanks of the Nautilus, but a monstrous or sublime hatred that time could not diminish.

Was this hatred still seeking revenge? The future would soon show me.

-Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea

Vote Count 2.9

Flubbernugget - 2 (Thor665, mastin2)
mastin2 - 1 (pirate mollie)
pirate mollie - 1 (Anatole Kuragin)
Thor665 - 4 (Lying Cat, Flubbernugget, Bert, Guyett)

Not Voting: beastcharizard, Guilty Gunsmith, notscience

6 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2014-12-05 13:16:44)

I'm looking for someone. Hades promised to help. I tried to exploit the power of darkness, but it backfired. I fell into darkness, and I couldn't find the light.

-Kingdom Hearts

Vote Count 2.10

beastcharizard - 2 (pirate mollie, Lying Cat)
Flubbernugget - 4 (Thor665, mastin2, Guilty Gunsmith, Bert)
mastin2 - 1 (Guyett)
pirate mollie - 2 (Anatole Kuragin, beastcharizard)
Thor665 - 1 (Flubbernugget)

Not Voting: notscience

6 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2014-12-05 13:16:44)

Poor, unhappy Erik! Shall we pity him? Shall we curse him? He asked only to be 'some one,' like everybody else. But he was too ugly! And he had to hide his genius or use it to play tricks with, when, with an ordinary face, he would have been one of the most distinguished of mankind! He had a heart that could have held the entire empire of the world; and, in the end, he had to content himself with a cellar. Ah, yes, we must need pity the Opera ghost...

-The Phantom of the Opera

Final Vote Count of Day 2

beastcharizard - 1 (pirate mollie)

Flubbernugget - 6 (Thor665, mastin2, Guilty Gunsmith, notscience, Bert, Lying Cat)

mastin2 - 1 (Guyett)
pirate mollie - 2 (Anatole Kuragin, beastcharizard)
Thor665 - 1 (Flubbernugget)

Not Voting: No one

This looks worst for LC and Bert and not great for ns.

Could you maybe wrangle up some reasoning?

[Lying Cat]

I also meant to elaborate on my reads in the PT because I thought Thor was gonna shoots us (regardless of whether he was vig/scum), but it turns out I was wrong on both guesses there. APTL is pretty obvtown imo, due to the whole flubber thing. Bert's end of day seemed off to me.

A few days ago, you said you would expand upon why APTL is pretty obvtown and never went through with it, going "I'll do it tomorrow" twice. Please expand upon it in this public thread.

Why do you think Thor sees you as the biggest thread regardless of alignment?

I said I would expand on my reads. I think I used the vague statement of more. I don't really think my GG reads needs elaboration, since ETL did a pretty good job of pointing out exactly how long they've been pushing flubber.

I have a question for you I don't want to ask in the main thread, actually, so check the PT when you get a chance.

[Lying Cat]

I'm not talking in the neighborhood thread from now on. It is gone from my bookmarks. And for the record, your question is/was: you quoted two posts I made regarding Thor, and asked ME why they scream scum to YOU. Waste of time.

And you know what else? After those posts (from November 17, which is RIGHT when Day 2 was about to start) you just NOW quoted a month later, after THOSE quotes, you townread me in the thread in the middle of Day 2. You didn't explain why you townread me back then. Yet NOW you are asking me why I think those two posts scream scum to you.

Two posts where you were explaining to me why you were quarterbacking the Thor push in the PT but not the thread. And yeah, I noted them then, but I thought it more likely thor was scum then that a neighborizer was.

[Lying Cat]

Anyways, my effort is better served in this thread. The neighborhood thread is a tool that can be helpful, but almost a month's worth of futility is enough, when the main game thread is pretty lurky already to begin with. I can't believe you're saying your activity hasn't dropped in the neighborhood thread. Your activity on Day 2 in this game dropped as well after your early push on Thor.

Here is something we can agree on, at least. And my activity has been the same in the PT and the thread. A couple of days of good activity, and not much in the meantime. It's been like that since the beginning, and it's not liable to change before January.

I'm not interested in lynching Bert today, but I'm definitely not townreading him anymore.

VOTE: mastin

[Lying Cat]

UNVOTE:

[Lying Cat]

This doesn't make me confident in Bert town. The dancing around beast and flubber is weird to say the least.

LC. (Head irrelevant.)

I've

been Bert's most consistent pusher.
Am saying Bert's town.
Drop it if town yourself. Lynch AK.

I'm not interested in lynching Bert today, and I've already aired my concerns, sooooo....

Even if Bert is scum, he promised days ago to neighborize ETL tonight, and I haven't had a neighbor thread with ETL in years.

[Lying Cat]

Why are you listening to mastin's read on me mollie

She can't even explain it and you at least have something that makes sense as a reason to scumread me and I've been asking mastin ALL GAME why she's townreading me becasue she's been the one who has been like all game and it's really weird if it doesn't make sense to me or anyone else who has played with me a bunch because I'm pretty sure none of you have a "oh he's town" stance based off of meta reads which is weird for someone who is generally easy to break by meta and I realize I just spent a whole paragraph arguing against you trusting a townread on me which is stupid but I really don't understand the damn read on me and I remember looking at the wagon from yesterday and liking everyone but LC and the first two on it and thor just flipped green so yeah!

cos mastina is town.

and she is obvsly seeing something that I am not. metawise no, I don't think you seem town. and mastina has a gut feeling that she can't quantify. plz move your vote to anatoejam he has been out of step all game.

Interestingly, the last thing sthar8 told me about this game is that notty's town, so.... In all fairness he's like a day back in the thread, but there's apparently something that means I can't vote notty.

And I agree on mastin town too, btw. The rage is genuine, because *reasons*.

[Lying Cat]

*posting here.
Yet is, elsewhere...

True. And can we ask anyone who knows me well exactly how alignment indicative that is?

I could go for an AK lynch. And I'd still like Bert to tell me what he's done recently. 'He's here' doesn't count.

[Lying Cat]

VOTE: AK

L-1

Fascinating to me that this wagon formed so quickly. I'd guess if AK scum, 0 bussing.

[Lying Cat]

Spoiler:

Hmmm.

9 alive, right?
Mislynched AK.
NK whoever.
Say, claim a guilty. (Particularly, me.)
Live upto namesake, 5P lylo.
Fakeclaimer mists, gets lynched, 3p lylo, remaining scum charms way to win.

Don't let it work.

Pretty interesting thought, but no.

If I were scum, I would've shot ETL N1, and I wouldn't have pushed Thor yesterday. Guyett is a possibility.

And investigating you would be a waste of time.

in past game days, I was townreading Anatole, but not just for "being here." Twisting my words again, lol...

No. I'm not saying you presented that as your reasoning for townreading him. I'm saying that you didn't present much of a reason for townreading him, and I'd like to see it. It's a bit too late for that now, though, isn't it.

And obviously I'm meaning that from when I asked you about him, you know, in N2.

Kinda? sthar8 is technically here, but I think he's made like 19 posts.

I'm just not switching to the hydra because logging in and out is a pain in the ass and AK's already hammered.

Where is AK?

In my mind, that is a question as to what he's been doing. How do you see that?

[Lying Cat]

Anti, get in here and put ETL in our neighborhood thread. I know you're online.