Mini 1621: Frog Mafia (KERO)

[Garmr]

VOTE: Rumia x Cirno

For giving me the ugliest looking frog.

[Garmr]

yyyaaahhh pornohawk this be our first game out of skype.

[Garmr]

VOTE: 2birds1stone
stone kills bird

[Garmr]

going to claim here and now I'm actually a miller lol

[Garmr]

VOTE: Garmr

"lol" pings.

Your right I was lying I'm really a Fbi Agent.

[Garmr]

VOTE: Bookitty Because the lobster commands it.

Hey waffle your awesome. See I'm buddying you so you have to like me. Wanna shift your vote onto 2 bird's stoned.

[Garmr]

On a more serious note

VOTE: Garmr

"lol" pings

.

If that's what you found scummy about my post and not the fact I claimed miller then I think we have a problem here.

[Garmr]

Garmr is scum, guys, he's pissed off that I caught him for the wrong reason.

I'm not pissed and you just admitted you're reasoning was wrong?

[Garmr]

Yah I'm the source of all discussion I feel special.

[Garmr]

Doesn't anyone want to point that 2bird1stone is omgusing me?

[Garmr]

Only because you chainsawed your buddy.

Not sure how much of this is confirmation bias, but it honestly works so well as a scumteam.

Hmmm so why didn't you vote me for chainsawing but instead you voted me for saying lol and justifying your vote with lol by saying caught for the wrong reasons. Makes me wonder if you actually had anything at all.

[Garmr]

My original intention was to get voted and dissect my wagon to see who was scummy and who wasn't. You and flubber don't look so good.

[Garmr]

I have an admittedly piss-weak case against you and you feel the need to cover your ass with that excuse anyway?

Caught.

Oh really

going to claim here and now I'm actually a

miller

lol

VOTE: Garmr

"lol" pings.

Your right I was lying I'm really a

Fbi Agent.

VOTE: Bookitty Because the lobster commands it.

Hey waffle your awesome.

See I'm buddying you

so you have to like me. Wanna shift your vote onto 2 bird's stoned.

I been saying trigger words constantly on purpose.

So there's three possiblities

you're new to mafia

,you're a village idiot or your scum.

You had enough games so strike 1
so that leaves one or two and I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you're are not a VI so that leaves scum.

[Garmr]

two or three*

[Garmr]

Bad vote, ProHawk is taking it at least just as seriously. Also, taking RVS seriously is pro-town.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: VictorDeAngelo

Also you are sure I'm scum yet you are voting victor what is up with that?

[Garmr]

First you say I'm OMGUSing you, then you complain I'm not voting you, which is it?

You're right, though,

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Garmr

The posts you quoted don't look like you're trying to attract attention, they just look like you're joking around (with the exception of post one, which I took to be a sincere miller claim until you retracted). You're trying to fit joke posts in with an alleged master plan, and it's just silly.

Because I didn't realize you took your vote off me till the vote count popped up? So how do you justify pushing me as your main scum read while you are on victor?

[Garmr]

I didn't keep very good track of where my vote was, sorry.

It's one thing to lose track of someone else's vote but your own also I think that's a lie.

Bad vote, ProHawk is taking it at least just as seriously. Also, taking RVS seriously is pro-town.

Is treating RVS seriously an intentional play you are making in this game?

Yes.

Why does ProHawk taking things just as seriously make my vote bad?

Because you didn't comment on it. Singling one out without commenting on the other points towards feigned scumhunting.

Victor/Garmr scumteam, ProHawk possible third member.

ProHawk as possible Victor buddy.

You were pushing the fact that victor was your central focus for a while but as soon as I push you

It doesn't matter though, you're so hung up on being voted that I'm sure about you, even if my other reads are wrong.

Your focus returns to me and you act like I'm the one your most certain about the whole time.

[Garmr]

1.In short you if victor was your main focus for a bit and you were pinning people as scum due to association tells I don't think you would forget that you were voting him.

2.You admit I am your main scum read so why are you linking people to Victor and not me?

3.Saying you forgot your vote is like saying you don't care who you want lynched only if it's not you.

4.Also you agree with the situation easily You could of pointed out where I was wrong before but you just agreed. You could of said victor was my scum read for a while because of X and you became it after Y but you didn't you took the path of least resistance and the one you wouldn't have to explain yourself. This shows you know your reasoning is weak and you're more concerned about not making mistakes that would show you in a scummy light.

[Garmr]

I linked you to ProHawk as well when I made the chainsaw comment.

I don't care who's lynched providing it's you or Victor.

My reasoning is weak because it's a page three case.

A chainsaw is attempting by definition "a player

who defends

another player by attacking the other player's attacker is very probably scum." Explain why would I chainsaw someone who has one vote on them for a rvs vote which doesn't need defending?

You don't care unless it's me or victor. But you know you're reasoning is weak so instead of pursing the hunt for scum. You are happy for today's lynches to come out people you have weak reasoning for?

[Garmr]

I'm going to re-summarize my cases because I acknowledge that my posting is all-fucking-over-the-place right now.

Garmr:
Claimed with a "lol".
Got annoyed because he felt he'd dropped a different scumtell (this is massive alarm bells, btw).
Got annoyed again because "caught for wrong reason".
"LOLGAMBIT"

Victor:
Claimed a dubious scumtell against Boo when ProHawk was equally "guilty" of it; did not comment on ProHawk.
When I pointed this out, he didn't recognise the inconsistency; he voted me instead.

ProHawk:
Weak read, not scummy by himself.
Was chainsawed in RVS by Garmr.
Was ignored by Victor in favour of BooKitty, as previously mentioned

You're case on me is that you think I'm annoyed and me pointing out what I was doing to try and break rvs?

Victor
Basically your reasoning for him is because his a hypocrite which town are often guilty of as well?

Prowhawk:
Only scum reading him because of the actions of others and not his own with no actual flips?

[Garmr]

A chainsaw is attempting by definition "a player who defends another player by attacking the other player's attacker is very probably scum." Explain why would I chainsaw someone who has one vote on them for a rvs vote which doesn't need defending?

OMGUS generally requires a serious vote to be OMGUS too, didn't stop you from accusing me of it.

I don't know why you felt the need to change your random vote at all, but you clearly felt you did. Sure, defense, why the hell not.

If my case is so bad, why do you so desperately feel the need to respond to it? That's where the real clincher is, and your inability to let go is so hilariously damning.

The reason I won't let go is I think you're scum and you don't feel the need to justify anything unless pushed extremely and you dodge some points you can't answer or retort with a weak reason you think i'm scummy as if that would nullify my case. There's a reason your the number 1 wagon. Also the omgus vote is a emotional response that doesn't need a case on you. This show me you don't understand when and where tells can be used and you just throw them out.

You're case on me is that you think I'm annoyed

It's fairly specifically what you were annoyed at, but yes.

I'm not annoyed if i was was I would be pretty aggressive towards you and the reasons are to weak to even consider a tell.

...and pointing out that I'm covering ass with nonsensical claims of gambiting

Yes.

Has to edit my post will note that. But if I wasn't doing that why did I continue it so long and have evidence to prove it, also why would I be lying about my intention this early on when I could easily brush every case on me aside?

Victor
Basically your reasoning for him is because his a hypocrite which town are often guilty of as well?

That's not what "hypocrite" means.

Will you that one but still I been guilty of pushing a vote on some for one reason yet excluding another person for the same reason. Usually because I view one person as scum or the other as town.

Prowhawk:
Only scum reading him because of the actions of others and not his own with no actual flips?

That's why I've said I specifically want you or Victor lynched.

[/quote] What do you think of prohawk with out the actions of others.

[Garmr]

will give you that one*

[Garmr]

@Victor I like you're post 93 you can be town

his omgus

VOTE: 2birds1stone
stone kills bird

Me having a joke post

VOTE: Garmr

"lol" pings.

Finds a weak reason to vote me after voting him.

[Garmr]

Also we are dominating the thread because of our timezones Other people will become more active after we fall asleep.

[Garmr]

Oh hey, we seem to be out of random vote stage. Good, I was never too comfortable with that, and coming back from a two year hiatus has not changed it.

So, Garmr. He was the first player who caught my attention, before the funny claims even, so I had a quick look at his past games to see who I was dealing with. One observation stood out - Garmr is good at staying alive. He has not only won but survived twice as scum, and has been endgamed several times. That gives me a town read on him. I can't think of a reason why he would have deliberately called attention to himself like this if he were scum. I could imagine a reason why scum could do that though - trying to look like carefree town. I have tried it myself in the past, not that it ever worked. I think Garmr is too experienced to try such a stunt, or to even need such trickery.

I don't know about 2birds, need to give him a closer look later. But, town on town fights are fairly typical for early game.

My vote stays on ProHawk. I did not like his initial vote, and in his ten posts he has said and done remarkably little.

When I want to look really town I usually get night one killed.

[Garmr]

VOTE: Flubbernugget

The vote may not be on 2 stoned birds but I approve of that vote. Btw can you tell me why you're voting Flubber through I ask so you can appeal to my vanity.

[Garmr]

Can I wait for a bit? I promise I will later.

Ohh I wanted you to say because he vote on you was bad and you did something right.

[Garmr]

By a show of hands please,

VOTE: Garmr

Only ever seen scum vote for mods.

Who thinks that this post was for realz?

Feysal's posts (Two by the way, and only one is serious) are garbage and a cop-out from scum hunting I would like to state for the record. Before I delve more into this topic, I would specifically like Garmr to comment on the following...

"Garmr is good at staying alive. He has not only won but survived twice as scum, and has been endgamed several times. That gives me a town read on him. I can't think of a reason why he would have deliberately called attention to himself like this if he were scum."

Although this is a teaser...

("I did not like his initial vote, and in his ten posts he has said and done remarkably little.")

Well to be honest I felt quite flattered a ego boost. Because I know that's what I'm good at but no one has ever mentioned it before. I don't know if his town or scum but he seemed to hit the nail on the head at least in that area.

[Garmr]

Not to burst your bubble or anything, but I actually had a hard time finding games you actually made it to the end of. Maybe you could toss a couple links out for me.

Recent games town games I completed I have been killed night 1 (threat to scum yahhhh) But every game I finished as scum I survived to the end (not going to include the mod kill and forced replace outs.).

but here's the list not including newbies
-Mini 1501: We’re On A Boat!-
-Mini Normal 1505 N is for normal-(scum game)
-Mini 1500:Narnia- The Lion,the Witch,and the Wardrobe Mafia-
-mini1510 PAUL WALKER MEMORIAL flights of angels sing thee to-
-Micro 235 - NikPick IV ~Game Over~- I'm including this one because I made it to end game of game 1. The mod made a bad choice and reset the game after scum won and said scum have to win three times I was like fudge that.

Not that's if I don't get killed night one
Mini 1499 - State Farm Mafia 2 - Game Over
-white flag open 547-

the only time I ever got lynched as town was
mini 1523 viscon desert kingdom. The irony is I had nailed every single scum yet I still got lynched and no one listened to me. It was also the game that showed me elyse can't think past roles as town.

All the other games I got forced replaced out of because of my ban(none of those I was in a position to get lynched.) except one which i choose to replace out of after throwing a hissy fit which I embarrassed I did.

[Garmr]

*I am embarrassed*

[Garmr]

Just looking through 2birds games he seems to make it end game while his mafia a couple of time but he gets mislynched a lot as town. But considering all the scummy shit his done and how some people are avoiding the wagon and not really commenting on it or avoiding taking a stance on it(massive,waffleghost),
I feel the chances of him being scum.

Flubber is 2nd he just saw a wagon and not the reasoning from the people on it. (most were rvs.) and jumped on it and basically said he sheeped poor logic.

@2birds stoned
What do you think of flubber.

[Garmr]

Also massive, what do you think of Garmr and 2birds? You seem to have mostly stayed out of it.

They're both goobers who know a lot of Mafia terminology.

How about a read then.

[Garmr]

Garmr retroactively claims bullshit gambit,

town completely ignores it.

I'm honestly not interested in voting anyone else today. At all.

he just admitted he and flubber are scum.

[Garmr]

Guys the miller claim wasn't real I just said that shit to get us out of rvs. I said that a lot. ;/

[Garmr]

@flubber I typed it before but I already said the miller claim was fake and the fact I claimed fbi Agent straight after would suggest I'm not really a miller. What are your thoughts knowing i said these because they were trigger words.

[Garmr]

I did not think your miller claim nor yet your FBI agent claim was serious. I also didn't think they were gambits. To be gambits, more time would have been required prior to your retractions/changes. Piling trigger word on top of trigger word is not how gambits work, imo.

My comment to Flubbernugget was in response to his disbelieving the miller claim and was a longer way of saying, "Well, duh!"

Boo there's a point to me asking flubber why he took it seriously.

[Garmr]

So basically I'm a fucking idiot that can't read.

UNVOTE:

Ill give the thread a better read through and try this again.

Yah now you admitted to it I can test my theory.

UNVOTE: 2birdonestone
VOTE: Flubber

I'm still happy with a 2bird wagon but flubber your a stronger scum read.

[Garmr]

ProHawk as possible Victor buddy.

I was with you initially (with hitting one not the other) but I read it as Victor was selectively reading. Why do you immediately jump to an association tell on page 3?

Only because you chainsawed your buddy.

Now Gamr is buddies with Victor? Do you always do associations on page 3?

Like multiple ones?

I'm still thinking about 2birds1stone. The "I am trying to look awesomely townie" thing is the exact opposite of Garmr's "I'm trying to look horribly scummy" and both seem odd from a town perspective.

This is kinda a summary of how I am feeling but I am getting a pinging of a scum-on-scum fight. Like a good cop/bad cop routine (sorta...more like Republican/Democrat)



------------
Overall I think the fight between Garmr and 2birds comes out looking worse for

2birds mainly for the association tells

. Something is just setting me off that

they may be buddies though.

Maybe I can get Feysal to look up if either are hard-bussers (cause I am lazy ). Also, Waffle seems really odd. I'm not sure if I am scumreading him yet or not but I read his posts and I scrunch my nose a lot. I am townreading Victor and that's pretty much it. The reason being is the comment to 2birds about "no town thinks they have the game figured out by page 4" (or whatever). Everybody else is pretty NULL.

VOTE: 2Birds

Cough hypocrite cough cough

[Garmr]

So basically I'm a fucking idiot that can't read.

UNVOTE:

Ill give the thread a better read through and try this again.

Yah now you admitted to it I can test my theory.

UNVOTE: 2birdonestone
VOTE: Flubber

I'm still happy with a 2bird wagon but flubber your a stronger scum read.

Talk to me about this theory because I reread the thread and think the fbi claim is bullshit.

If garmr is town because of how cc's work with named townies someone is going to have to spell it out for me.

The theory is if I have a way to read you every game or not because I noticed something you do as scum but I haven't seen you do as town. I did a meta on you because I noticed your town and scum game have a drastic difference.

[Garmr]

Also I guess that means there's 4 scum too.

That's interesting and precise why do you think theirs 4 scum.

[Garmr]

Garmr/waffle scum team

Nah it's garmr/flubber Lets bus each other.

[Garmr]

I thought grey ice was better than this oh well what a let down.

[Garmr]

How long is it going to take before people realize flubbers trying to please the majority and vote him.

[Garmr]

How long is it going to take before people realize flubbers trying to please the majority and vote him.

Sweetheart I did the exact opposite of pleasing the majority and was really obnoxious about it on top of that.

You realize I said tried/trying.

[Garmr]

@Garmr: What's your take on ProHawk's recent posts?

Better than yours.

[Garmr]

In what way? I crave specifics!

Your stances are usually uncertain.

One:

you are hypocritical

you said you couldn't see my gambit as working yet you vote flubber and fucking 2 birds after that because of their votes on me and they way they handled it.

two:

Long way to say nothing at all
With the 2birds stoned and me you took so long to explain why we were both null over multiple posts in the beginning.

three:

the fact you keep implying I could be town while null reading me constantly.

four:

Your reason to unvote on flubber

Hey grey we were talking about having garmr botch a fake claim so 2birds and I could bus the shit out of him. But it backfired and got 2birds massive scum points. But I still hopped on the garmr bus with him and the massive wifom of it all is gonna carry me to endgame 3 way lylo where I will use my secret double vote role pm to quickhammer us to victory.

Town already knows they're fucked, so it's only a matter of time before they all start replacing out just to have their replacements replace out. The whole shitstorm is going to be so fucking massive that by the end of it we're probably gonna end up down another list mod while bringing kuribo's campaign to replace a list mod to a screeching halt full of tears.

Because nothing says town like this post here.

five:

the fact you criticize my play even through it busted us out of rvs got the game rolling and has made everyone pretty active and enjoyable. While your play itself hasn't actually been better than mine and actually a lot of your scum reads are based off my play. You haven't done much to push the game forward.

[Garmr]

@bookitty

Prohawk reading my of my gambit and grey ice i'm scum isn't hypocritical if you actually can look beneath the surface of things.

My play was designed to get things rolling something for everyone to talk about grease then wheels. Grey ice play offers nothing he doesn't intend to be helpful to the town in anyway. It's not really hard to see the basic difference if you think about it.

[Garmr]

Wow, where to start with the misreps.

I voted Flubber for what I saw as the opportunistic timing of his vote on you. I unvoted him for the post you quoted, because I don't see scum responding to GreyICE in a way guaranteed to get negative attention like that one.

I voted 2birds1stone not for his vote on you, but for saying he was trying to look town.

I don't know if you're town or not. I don't have any experience playing with you. I thought your initial roleclaims were jokes. Your claim that they were gambits designed to attract votes doesn't hold up for me. That said, the same reason I unvoted Flubber applies to you. Here's the issue:

1. Scum wouldn't play in a way that attracts a lot of negative attention.
2. Scum know 1.
3. Therefore scum might play in a way that attracts a lot of negative attention on the thought that people will think 1.

Can you see why I might not be sure of my read on Flubber OR on you?

As for GreyICE, I took it as a joke because I've seen it a gazillion times before. (Inb4 lynch all liars: gazillion isn't actually a number.)

That said, I want you to respond to this and tell me if you understood it and what you disagree with in it. Also, any examples of hypocrisy on my part would be good, since you made the accusation.

What misreps lol.

Lets start with 2birds. Our interactions brought his behavior up so you can't say my gambit had nothing to do with it.

flubbers never really been a good scum player I don't think his actually won one game and I don't know if he actually likes scum. His better as town. Also look at chosen 376 for flubbers scum game. It basiccly oozes out scum.

GG is town and TSO is annoyingly scummy so far.
VOTE: TSO

Please elaborate, your cases are so usually top-class and your history of reading me so often correct that I'm particularly excited to hear you've formed a scumread on me.

It's also a bit disturbing that you called me scum, GG called me Town, and then you immediately accepted this without pushing your read. Why?

When the duck did I accept you as town? And no I can't make a case that good at page 1 .

TSO won't answer this so I will. Check the post numbers.

TSO is town I guess. I cant see a scummy getting their panties all in a bunch over what he is getting his bunched up over.

GG is town and TSO is annoyingly scummy so far.
VOTE: TSO

But then TSO decides ZZZX is still scummy because nobody agrees with him on PAGE 3.

So, what you're saying is, you think I'm Scum, but you have no problems with other players completely disagreeing with that, you're not seeking to either change their opinion or have them change yours, and also you can't actually articulate why you think I'm scum.

And you wonder why I'm so often derisive to you.

I have a theory where if I constantly point it out he may actually correct it.

So until TSO can

find

a read and not

push

a read, he is scum, and ZZZX is chosen.

VOTE: TSO

VOTE: unvote

Yeah. I derped. Looking back, yeah that post was a defense post and nothing more.

He also slips up while his scum I haven't actually seen a town game where his done this.(doesn't this set of events remind you of something that happened this game.)

Also grey ice is exactly what prohawk said not interested in this game. He doesn't even intend to hunt at all. Through him calling it a gambit is weird I think it's just greyice not giving a fuck about this game. Can you tell how grey ice post can be considered townie.

[Garmr]

grey ice's posts*

[Garmr]

You do know GreyICE had just replaced into the game when he posted that? As in, it was his first post of the game?

@GreyICE

: Have you read the game thread yet?

You misrepresented the reasons for my votes. I still await the examples of hypocrisy.

I gave you one if you actually payed attentions o add that to the list but.

In what way? I crave specifics!

Your stances are usually uncertain.

One:

you are hypocritical

you said you couldn't see my gambit as working yet you vote flubber and fucking 2 birds after that because of their votes on me and they way they handled it.

Also Look at when prohawk voted grey ice posted more than one post. Seriously are you even reading the thread?

I'm this asking again has anything grey ice said actually warranted anyone to say his townie?

lol but admit it my actions have caused events to play out the way they have and your reasons to vote 2bird and flubber have came indirectly (birds case and me bringing him to the light and causing him to act that way from being put on the spot) or directly from my play (flubbers bad vote on me)

[Garmr]

gambit

Please stop saying this.

I shall refer to it as PLAY then

[Garmr]

Where have I said GreyICE was town? Seriously, quote me up. I don't have a read on him yet, so I KNOW I didn't say that.

Also, I'd like a readslist from you, garmr.

I didn't say you did I was asking you to say what so town about greyice because you seem to be touchy around him.


town-
Victor

null town-
Prohawk
Gendaberry
feyal

null scum-
grey ice
2bird

scum-
flubber

rest are null

[Garmr]

Garmr if you're going to bring up my first scum game you should bring up my first town game to see how much better that was.

It's not how good you were flubber it's you're behavior pattern. Compare the two first game was quirky town trying to figure out and understand the game. While the game I referenced was you unsure how to push a fake scumread on someone. Since you were not trying to figure out the game you could see were you weren't paying attention and was apologetic in parts.

Your compare my first game ever and my first (and only scum game which isn't multiscum.) don't really work in this context.

[Garmr]

Okay so prove I'm making pushes as shitty as the one you cherrypicked for reasons I don't understand.

I cherry picked? dude you only have two scum games that are completed and the other ones multiscum and the tell doesn't really apply as much. What I'm saying the way you approach the game is different as scum. While you can clearly see you are hunting and looking in your town games.

In your scum games you tend to go with the flow unsure of where to start or go. This is evident in the way you are handling this game. The absences of you actually scum hunting is obvious in this game you are missing that mechanic.

[Garmr]

I'm going to put boo kitty on my null scum list and then shift 2birds stoned to my village idiot list.

[Garmr]

I'm kind of disappointed, I thought you were going somewhere with this. I wanted to read your case so I could see if the thought process behind it made sense for town, but now I'm just puzzled. I have never lied about meta, my own or anyone else's, as town or scum, though I have been accused of it over different interpretations. Why did you think that Garmr's replacements would have been relevant?

I'm sorry I disappointed you...

I thought you made up the whole Garmr thing, that's why it was relevant cause I couldn't find any games he actually made it to the end of. Turns out I was wrong.

Also, Waffle lying about not knowing what "lol" means makes no sense, unless he is newb-scum?

P-EDIT: THAT IS AN ACTUAL FREAKING SCUM READ AND I WILL TAKE IT TO MY GRAVE.

Waffle's scumbuddy, 100%

Lynch all liars

[Garmr]

Garmr, you think WaffleGhost is town? Or we're wrong for some other reason?

What i was referring to was prohawk being his scum buddy as prohawk is a town read of mine.

Waffle is null- with a slight scum lean after looking into it but what's interesting is the last 3 votes of him were based off the lol case while massives is a no case.

But The first 2 had real solid reasoning that rival the case on flubber.

@Gendaberry Check Newbie 1543. You honestly think as scum I'd say "OH I KNOW! I'LL DO THE EXACT SAME THING THAT GOT ME LYNCHED IN MY LAST GAME!!!" ?
I also didn't intend to be attacking anyone, I was stating my opinion on playstyle. I intended to share my stance on appearing town. I've had serious misconceptions about things in IRL mafia and was I mafia? No.

@Victor Whilst just reading through here's how people struck me based on my gut.
Null'
-Victor
-Salamence
-Gendaberry
-Massive
-Garmr
-ProHawk
-Jackel
-Primate
-Flubber
*I either didn't have the necessary amount of posts or didn't want to make a decision with what I had. In general I don't find reads before a certain number of pages to have any real weight.
**I know it's alot of null:/
Town
-Bookitty
-Every body's favourite wraith, your dear, WAFFLEGHOST! At you service.
Scum
-2birds definitely came off as scum but I can't say why at the moment.

I feel like I'm missing someone.

Hang on let me just trim this down so we're dealing with the actual content.

@Victor
Town
-Bookitty
Scum
-2birds definitely came off as scum but I can't say why at the moment.

Insightful.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: WaffleGhost

WaffleGhost really seems like scum who doesn't know what they're doing to me. Waffle hasn't really done anything at all so far. It's not putting pressure on anyone or voting anyone, and on top of that I don't like 56

I'm not accusing you of being scum, yet. Just stating my opinion as far as play. I'm just a dumb newbie though

Its the only post from Waffle with content, and even then he adds the "dumb newbie" comment in what looks to me like they're trying to preemptively defend themselves in case someone found the post scummy. I might be reading too far into it, but it looks like Waffle is trying to avoid suspicion by never accusing anyone, and by pulling the newbie card to try and make themselves look innocent.

VOTE: WaffleGhost

These two reasoning are way better than the current 4 votes on him. One which has none at all and the other is a lol case which is throw away. But it's the throw away lol case that gathered the most votes why didn't people him when he had these solid reasoning. Why let the wagon get to middle size then boom grow in a instant once a vote tipped it into the most voted category. I feel like the wagon started on town grounds and some point scum greased the wheels.

Maybe it's a bus or it could be a mislynch I'm not sure.

[Garmr]

But it's the throw away lol case that gathered the most votes why didn't people him when he had these solid reasoning.

I can't speak for others. The fact that WaffleGhost appeared to be a newb was certainly part of my reasoning in not voting him. The fact that he was faking being a newb and apparently trolling both me and the thread erased that reason.

Why do you think that deliberately lying to create an impression of newbieness is a throwaway lol case?

Well consider the fact he is a newbie with 2 complete games and i think no prior mafia experience before his first game because he didn't know what to do in rvs(first game) is a part of it. I don't think the lol case was him trying to create a impression of newbieness as I don't see how it's game relevant. When did the word Lol become a tell and mafia relevant. If it was faking not understanding rvs it would be a different story as someone explained that to him.

I think he was just fucking with you.

the other two cases through are more solid.

[Garmr]

Waffle is null- with a slight scum lean after looking into it but what's interesting is the last 3 votes of him were based off the lol case while massives is a no case.

You can see my 131 for exactly where my vote came from, and which is way more succinct than the cases you think are "good" (especially since Gendaberry's is basically just expounding on this).

Primate

: I think that must be an artifact of earlier times, because I'm the same way with my vote. I try and take care to place it where I think it goes and I HATE moving it. I'm not crazy about players who will vote seven people in the first three pages, it drives me nuts.

Cheers make that 2 I didn't see that post I only looked at time of votes.

[Garmr]

Well consider the fact he is a newbie with 2 complete games and i think no prior mafia experience before his first game because he didn't know what to do in rvs(first game) is a part of it. I don't think the lol case was him trying to create a impression of newbieness as I don't see how it's game relevant. When did the word Lol become a tell and mafia relevant. If it was faking not understanding rvs it would be a different story as someone explained that to him.

I think he was just fucking with you.

the other two cases through are more solid.

I also think he was just fucking with me (and calling his weird later questions a defense is also problematic for me). However, I think it's all of a piece in a way that I don't think you do. Playing up one's newbness and pretending not to understand things, including the meaning of terms like LOL (and he continued that past one post, so it wasn't a joke) can be a tactic to get out of scummy behaviour. Giving a whole list of reads that make very little sense can be either newb or scum (or both). If he's faking not knowing what LOL means, he was probably faking the rest of the newbie tells. When one part of the constructed newbie facade crumbles, the whole thing goes. WaffleGhost also called his questions a defence, which argues he meant it to be one.

Makes sense now?

I'm starting to understand the defense thing.

Also noticed feyal earlier comments (/case) can strike him off the list and i think it explains the situation. Look at that you and grey are the most suspicious ones on the wagon.

WaffleGhost

I find myself agreeing with much that Gendaberry has said about him. Downplaying his own post with that dumb newbie comment was strange, particularly since that post was only about mafia theory.

His defense that he would not have done the same thing that got him lynched before is also rather disingenuous,

since he in fact has done the same thing - the only question is, does it make him scum? I think not, but it sure does not make him town either. What Gendaberry said about his lack of content still stands, and tight schedules happen to scum too.
.

I think this was what it was a defense of and he did it on purpose to mock feyal about it. because he portayed himself as stupid earlier.

As town, appearing town benefits the town, unless of course, your just out for town cred. Appearing town is good but it should be something that happens naturally by actions and not by you hunting for opportunities to win over the town's trust, in my opinion. Only scum is concerned with being the towniest of the town for the most part.

Here are 2 mindsets
Must look town must look town. . . must. . . look. . . town. . . .

I'm gonna be a bad ass scum hunting machine, who cares if I get my complexion a bit dirty?

I'm not accusing you of being scum, yet. Just stating my opinion as far as play.

I'm just a dumb newbie though :

P

So he played himself off dumb on purpose as a sarcastic response to people scum reading for playing the noob defense in this pose.

That's the only reason why I think he would say as a defense otherwise it doesn't make logical sense.

[Garmr]

So he played himself off dumb on purpose as a sarcastic response to people scum reading for playing the noob defense in this pose.

And that's not scummy how?

What I really want is WaffleGhost to come back and explain himself.

At best, his comments added nothing and junked up the thread. At worst, he's scum trolling.

If he does flip scum, I'm going to look at the leading wagon when he started this nonsense to see if he was trying to distract from a buddy.

It's null to me because I seen town be sarcastic as well. I do agree with this through. But the people that migrated to his wagon were the ones on 2birds wagon if that's what your asking or I have been the counter wagon pretty much the whole game and since I'm town i think i have at least one scum on it.

[Garmr]

Can we have 1 more

So are people just going to ignore this shit. His basically asking someone else to hammer.

[Garmr]

Can we have 1 more

So are people just going to ignore this shit. His basically asking someone else to hammer.

And there's number 3.

This game is easy.

yep flubber and you are scum easy

[Garmr]

pro hawk I'm forming a town block with you,me and vik.

[Garmr]

Garmr prohawk and waffle

List actual reasoning for me and prohawk please since you haven't really.

[Garmr]

Okay, but you get that the sentiments are offensive whether or not they are presented as a joke, right?

You wouldn't put these sentiments in a paper for school and expect the emoticons to negate the statements, right? "But, Miss Bookitty, I put a LOL after I said I hoped you died in a fire. Why U mad?"

Humour doesn't always come across even with LOL and emoji. It also doesn't always mean "I meant nothing of what I said previously, so please disregard."

I'm thinking about this. I'm trying hard to see your point of view. It's still not making a lot of sense to me.

Isn't English waffle second language is another factor. But I think his trying to say his first post when he said I'm just a noob was meant to be a lol and more a little joke thing and not to take seriously and his been trying to prove that we interrupted it wrong (thus his defense and him trying to give up explaining it.)

[Garmr]

From last page, Boo town.

Flubber scum

.

So will you help me with his lynch.

[Garmr]

@feyal
what do you think of greyice.

[Garmr]

Waffle who are your scum reads.

[Garmr]

@2birds1stone: I *think* he was trying to demonstrate that putting a LOL emoticon at the end of things is supposed to negate the content that immediately preceded it.

I'm not sure though.

I guess I'm most suspicious of Garmr, but I can see WaffleGhost as a buddy. Rightly or wrongly, I trust GreyICE; I don't see a reason for him to enter the game like that as actual scum.

WaffleGhost, if you had one bullet, who would you shoot? (In this game, obviously.)

I'm not trying to buddy anyone but trying to make sense of why a town or scum waffle would act this way, but having him claw at me like I'm his only chance of staying alive feels weird because I'm not trying to defend him I'm just trying to see things from his point of view instead of instantly condemning him. His reads pretty much echo mine and I'm not sure how to take that.

Anyway I feel like that I'm going to be the focus of tomorrow no matter today's flip which is pretty fun.

[Garmr]

grey ice -puts a finger on his lips- shhh I'm trying to access the situation maybe instead of being a useless sack of garbage you can help scum hunt or at least pretend to since you are scum.

[Garmr]

Good god you're a waste of a human being.

prove me wrong then actually scum hunt and present cases do it to spite me.

[Garmr]

My vote is sitting on scum

Stop trying to move it

I'm not asking you to move your vote I'm asking you to open up. Unless you are afraid to.

[Garmr]

Garmr is scum because he overreacted to the lol scumread on him and then derped instead of scumhunting.

Waffle is scum because seriously raise your hand if you

were born with half a rotting brain

thought I was asking someone to vote for him on my behalf.

Prohawk is scum because fuck his scum read on GreyICE.

Don't you want to hear grey ice, hear his thoughts?

Also I have been scum hunting I can explain every single one of my reads and how I got there. It's pretty obvious I'm town through.

Waffle may be scum but not for the reason about you thinking that you were asking that. I and bookitty thought that and so did others probably.

Has grey ice done anything to be town?

[Garmr]

My vote is sitting on scum

Stop trying to move it

I'm not asking you to move your vote I'm asking you to open up. Unless you are afraid to.

All I hear is the sound of someone trying to distract from the waffle lynch.

What is your read on Waffle, Garmr? You seem so very certain he's town in action, but so very unwilling to say that.

His actions are conflicting I don't know what to make of him. So I'm judging by process of elimination and you seem like scum on the wagon and flubber seem like scum off the wagon hesitant to vote waffle even through he seems like he really wants to(he had his chance to put it to L-1 earlier like bird did.-. So even through waffles actions are kinda iffy I'm going to predict his town.

Btw all I see is someone trying to avoid scumhunting.

[Garmr]

He's not flipping wifom coins to scumhunt.

His not scum hunting at all.

[Garmr]

my scum reads entering today were bookitty,greyice and flubber. Since bookittys dead now and flipped town I think the most likely suspect is flubber still.

VOTE: Flubber

Also mafia likely have a redirector of some sort if bookitty had desperado modifier so take be cautious of that.

[Garmr]

Also mafia likely have a redirector of some sort if bookitty had desperado modifier so take be cautious of that.

This is silly. Night-Desparado is strictly inferior to Vig,

the Strong-Willed modifier was necessary to make the role worthwhile

. On top of that, redirection is rare.

Also, please no more discussing this.

Why it's not like I'm asking for town roles I'm just speculating what the mafia set up might look like. Also It stops roleblockers as well which aren't as uncommon. The bolded part means mafia has to have something to make strongwilled worth something.

[Garmr]

That's great, guys, scum might have a roleblocker. Stop the press, scum might have a role that scum very often has.

Seriously, this isn't set-up spec worth entering.

Okay, I've thought longer about it, and I don't think scum was on the Waffle wagon. All of the players who were on the wagon early (Victor through to massive) were voting him for a very long time as a stable scumread; it doesn't look like bussing. Feysal and BooKitty both flipped town, I know I'm town, and... okay, I don't have anything to clear Grey, but I have a soft-townread on him.

I have also got a townread on Flubber for previously-stated reasons.

Pro/Jackel is where it's at, I guess.

VOTE: Jackel98

I have a town read on prohawk but I could do a jackel lynch if it comes down to it. I'd rather lynch flubber through as

1.

Garmr/waffle scum team

He was trying to link me with waffle early game before the waffle wagon really took off
+1 to being scum

2.Also as I said before he pays more attention to game as town and doesn't slip up with reading like that while looking at his meta
+1 scum

3.

Okay so prove I'm making pushes as shitty as the one you cherrypicked for reasons I don't understand.

Instead of seeking to understand it he would rather try to discredit my reason with words like cherrypicked. Maybe he does understand the tell but doesn't want to push further. +1

4.

Garmr is scum because he overreacted to the lol scumread on him and then derped instead of scumhunting.

Waffle is scum because seriously raise your hand if you

were born with half a rotting brain

thought I was asking someone to vote for him on my behalf.

Prohawk is scum because fuck his scum read on GreyICE.

Would like to note waffle shows no evidence of scum hunting in any of posts yet accuses me of it here where I have evidence showing it. Also link this post with point 1 notice something? Waffle reasoning was a reason that happened recently at that time and can actually be taken as a null since it's not alignment indicative. You would think he would of brought up some more solid reasoning I mean he was scum reading him at post 217. +2 for flubber

Also if flubber flips scum this makes me think pro and grey ice would be cleared. Because I don't think he would side with a scum buddy in this manner and I don't think he would bust 2 scum buddies at the same time.

so 5 scum points for flubber.

[Garmr]

So pro can we have an actual scumread on Grey and not some wifom bullshit

Garmr is scum because he overreacted to the lol scumread on him and then derped instead of scumhunting.

Waffle is scum because seriously raise your hand if you

were born with half a rotting brain

thought I was asking someone to vote for him on my behalf.

Prohawk is scum because fuck his scum read on GreyICE.

To me this looks like his buddying up to grey and copying his reads guess who also tried to buddy up and copied my reads, waffle did! I'm actually starting to doubt my greyice scum read now ;/

If all we're going to do is kick waffle while he's down I'd rather just lynch him now than at deadline.

Also he wants the day over quickly so waffle can't slip up.


There's so much scummy shit in his if you look becomes quite obvious he is scum.

On a side note (speculation here not concrete)

Spoiler:

Vote: Garmr

You're not shooting your way out of this.

there is no logic in shooting the only person town reading me.

Scum obviously shot him to secure my mislynch if greyices ate didn't convince bookitty to use his power on me i would of probably been lynched today. So I Owe it to bookitty for clearing me to catch scum and flubber is it.

Also here's a challenge to people town reading flubber.

Spoiler:

Show me town progression his post.
Show something that looks like scum hunting and not sheeping someone.

And if you want to say this one

Waffle is pinging my newbie scum radar. So is BooKitty (may be some associative action in there).

And there's no way anyone should like Victor's post 93, that "vote twice inside the same post" action is SUPER forced.

Vic's post looks more stream of concious than forced.

Garmr vs 2birds. What do you see?

I have already looked at it and he goes no where with it. He doesn't even attempt to hunt or gain knowledge of any kind after he feels comfortable this is definitely a scum slot.

Put spoilers to cut down the wall.

[Garmr]

@jackel

Why did you ignore my case on flubber? I expected a comment or some sort since it is the biggest most fleshed out read of the day so far.

[Garmr]

@jackel

Why did you ignore my case on flubber? I expected a comment or some sort since it is the biggest most fleshed out read of the day so far.

We all know Jackal serves no purpose but is town.

On a serious note, Garmr is starting to look manufactured.

does this post come from titus or house

[Garmr]

I didn't ignore. I just didn'trespond to it. I need to read most of day one. Alsom I am always town. Always.

I will take that as a null response as that is understandable reasoning.


Also I poured my heart and soul in that post and would like thoughts on my points.

[Garmr]

Please explain point four. You give flub two points, but it looks like your argument is against Wafflr?

I started calling flubber waffle let me fix that

Would like to note

Flubber

shows no evidence of scum hunting in any of posts yet accuses me of it here where I have evidence showing it(1 point for hypocrisy). Also link this post with point 1 notice something?

Flubber

reasoning was a reason that happened recently at that time and can actually be taken as a null since it's not alignment indicative. You would think he would of brought up some more solid reasoning I mean he was scum reading him at post 217(another point here so thats the two points.). +2 for flubber

Also if flubber flips scum this makes me think pro and grey ice would be cleared. Because I don't think he would side with a scum buddy in this manner and I don't think he would bust 2 scum buddies at the same time.

[Garmr]

^can't argue against my points and omgus and you guys are town reading this?

[Garmr]

I can no longer tell if garmr is tunneling scum or can't handle getting his peepee smacked.

Actually he had 72 hours to get over himself.

VOTE: garmr

Also your using the word tunneling incorrectly as I am aware of the situation around me and responding to everything with out being pushed. If it's because I posted a big case on you then your going to hate some of the players on mafiascum.

[Garmr]

@jackel

Why did you ignore my case on flubber? I expected a comment or some sort since it is the biggest most fleshed out read of the day so far.

We all know Jackal serves no purpose but is town.

On a serious note, Garmr is starting to look manufactured.

does this post come from titus or house

Yes.

So titus then.

[Garmr]

@jackel

Why did you ignore my case on flubber? I expected a comment or some sort since it is the biggest most fleshed out read of the day so far.

We all know Jackal serves no purpose but is town.

On a serious note, Garmr is starting to look manufactured.

does this post come from titus or house

Yes.

So titus then.

If that's what you choose to believe. The heads are in agreement, however.

Ok but can you comment on the content of my post instead oh saying it looks manufactured because I put a lot of feeling and thought into that. The word manufactured is a word people use when they want to criticize a post with out actually finding a legit reason to.

So if you think I'm wrong point out were I'm wrong, if you don't think I'm wrong why try to push against my post?

[Garmr]

Titus can. My plate is full r/l. Preparing for a new job.

-House

but i wanted to hear stuff from you are breaking my heart man. Oh well at least if i converse with titus enough i can figure out the alignment of your slot. I still have a perfect record in reading her.

[Garmr]

Wow.

I acknowledge that my D1 play was pretty awful, but... holy shit, what is this?

Garmr is literally the worst lynch today, and if you think otherwise, you need to reread the flips.

Jackel is scum trying to stall out his lynch long enough for PRs to out themselves.

I got a nullish-scum read on jackel. But what I didn't like was how it came into it and first thing he basically said was "your all speculating to much that garmr could be town because of night actions but i'm not going to jump on him and take any sort of stance."

I feel like this hands off approach is weird. It's like he wants my lynch to go through but to distance himself as much as possible. His answer to 438 softened the read a bit as I really feel like he was behind current events.

Also would like to point out Flubber is playing himself off as being stupid. His not actually dumb.

[Garmr]

I refer to jackel as it because that's what the profile said to do just saying.

[Garmr]

Also, halfway done reading. Garmr looks like a dick, but a possibly town dick. Prohawk sucks, but more on him later.

Also, Bird, what good PR would out themselves? Imeansrsly.

Garmr, just because I disagree with Bird's reasoning doesn't mean Idisagree with the ends.

Maybe I do, but I need to read.

Also, gj switching from it to him in the second paragraph.

Sorry about that I realized at the last secound before posting and edited it quickly the (he,it). Also i tend to respond to people by the way they treat me. (someones being a dick to me i respond in kind) I tried to keep it all game relevant through and not personal.

Is that a threat through?

[Garmr]

I can claim. I will claim. I am Toad, from Frog and Toad.Like, Feysal's neighbour. Useless role now except to claim. I think I'm allowed to paraphrase the flavour:Frog writes a letter to Toad. Toad thinks its a very nice letter. Frog and Toad wait for the mail in front of the house.

Would like to point out waffle is also toad but from the super mario series. So potential scumslip if so frogs vs toads.
UNVOTE: Flubber
VOTE: Jackel98

[Garmr]

If it takes 6 to lynch we have 4 votes making him l-2

[Garmr]

it L-2 It. Sorry.

[Garmr]

Seems odd that he'd claim toad if the toads are presumably the mafia. At the very least short sighted. Or that there'd be a role (frog) that knows another role is a toad when we could have two dead toads and it be obvious who the third is with that claim.

Also yeah, I am in this game. TBH, my level of activity is about what it normally has been the past few years. Inactivity isn't really a scumtell for me, if that's what you're implying, prohawk. Shea harangued me about it in the signup thread.

I'm going to head home, do some reading of waffle, and look at making a vote.

Well that frog that would of known died.

[Garmr]

@grey and vic

That's your reasoning? That the wagon on him has grown too quickly, and "there might be scum on it?"

Actually to clarify, I'm certain there's scum on it.

Whose the scum, VGA? Who are the scum?

I think Garmr is town. There's one, if not two, scum among you, 2birds and

Flubber.

Sorry to interrpt

Well I think there is scum in that list and I Bolded it. Look at flubbers vote it's like a bus. He dropped his vote on me as soon the wagon picked up. People have criticized him for not voting his scum buddy yesterday even through he was scum reading him. So I have a feeling he jumped on this wagon to try and look better. His shift from me to jackel is unnatural. I was a surefire scum read and yet when i mentioned a slip from someone he moved to them with even being suspicious of me.

This is flubbers scum game.

Now I'm quite willing to do a wagon on flubber or jackel as I think both may be scum. Can anyone actually name town actions that flubber has actually done?

[Garmr]

EBWOP: I think he's town based entirely on that

I am pretty sure he is scum. Like grey ice said when flubbers town you know his town. When his town he atleast posts reasoning he will explain why his voted some person you don't have to force it out him. He flows more naturally. Also if you think his town because of the way he joked think of it from this perspective. What happens if flips scum and the people who were town reading him were to see that post. It would spread wifom on grey ice. I think that post was preparing to set up a distraction so his scum partner could slip by in case he flipped.

Read how much his posted this game and what info you can draw out of it. Then read atown game and compare. There is a vast amount of difference.

[Garmr]

VOTE: Flubber

I am extremely happy with this wagon.

[Garmr]

Victor, If Flubber flips scum, would GreyICE read town to you?

If so, given that Garmr, who has played with Scum!Flubber before, corroborates Grey's meta tell, and was scumreading him before that, why aren't you voting Flubber? Solid scumread and valid information lynch.

I haven't played with scum flubber before I just read every single one of his scum games and 3-4 of his town games.

[Garmr]

Victor, If Flubber flips scum, would GreyICE read town to you?

No.

If so, given that Garmr, who has played with Scum!Flubber before, corroborates Grey's meta tell, and was scumreading him before that, why aren't you voting Flubber? Solid scumread and valid information lynch.

I could sheep Garmr here I guess. I have played with town!Flubber a couple of times but I haven't met scum!Flubber yet.

@TotalWreck

- It would make working out your alignment easier.

@Garmr

- which games did you read?

(micro376,micro 377,)scum games that he didn't replace out of.

town
I read newbie 1530(you waffle and flubber all shared this game so I thought you would pick up the difference in his play),micro 387 double day unlimited and primary mafia.

[Garmr]

@Viktor don't get caught up in the trap that because a wagon build fast that the person is town. I got caught on this in a couple of my skype games and got mislynched the next day for it.

[Garmr]

(I think the point he's making is that if he's scum it doesn't matter because we just lynched scum. ( Which is an odd circular argument. )).

Also I don't think your case on prohawk is very good.

And, unrelated, but imho bookitty definitely targeted Garmr. That last post is really explicitly indicating that, imho.

Tell me more about how post 140 came from a town mindset.

I can think of one or two reasons but I'd rather see primate say it because I don't want to taint primates response or if prohawks wants to elaborate on it his as well.

[Garmr]

@Primate, it's not the lack of participation as much as the saying a lot, but doing very little. Have you even voted for anyone this game?

@ICE, you said that town was going to break your brain. You said that after quoting something from Jackal which is why I took that as you town-reading Jackal? Or were you calling some other posts town?

@Jackal, I would still love to hear why I suck.

@Victor, I would like to hear your thoughts on the speed of the Waffle wagon with regards to scum.

@Wreck, do you typically just pick someone to tunnel for the day, or are you just trying to get into a slap-fest because I said you could possibly be scum despite having voted for scum? Before that happens, I would legitimately like to know if you think Garmr is town and why.

I generally tunnel a lot and I ICed for House at another site. But yeah our vote should be on our biggest scumread or negotaiting to lynch a secondary scumread. Nothing else.

If House votes Annoying Man or Flubber, I will bring the torture device.

~Titus

I can see you causing town to lose -_- flubber is obvious scum .

[Garmr]

If I'm going to die I'm going to make sure flubber gets lynched before I go so no we will not ignore this shit.

[Garmr]

I don't mind our ProHawk vote. It's a decent thing to investigate. ProHawk seems a little different than BoS ProHawk and InuYasha ProHawk.

Garmr and Grey should also be looked into.

~Titus

You aren't actually reading the thread. This much is obvious. But please go on. Elaborate a bit.

Also, call your other head in here to actually answer my question.

Also the fact flubber is in titus's town reads pretty much proves his scum knowing titus's history :p

[Garmr]

Also the fact flubber is in titus's town reads pretty much proves his scum knowing titus's history :p

What in Titus's history makes you think this? What exactly is this saying?

It's referring to the the time where titus had every single member of a scum team in her town block as town.

[Garmr]

aka it was more of a sarcastic remark.

[Garmr]

And yes. A good way to check for scum is to take the pressure off and see what happens. We took the pressure of Jackel. What did he do? Went from hugely active when there was a wagon on him at daystart, to lurking again.

VDA is the buddy, yes.

Why weren't you this towny day 1 we could of saved a lot of hassle .

I could still do a jackel lynch but I want flubber as well since his most likely scum that will get away if I'm not around.

[Garmr]

So GreyICE votes Jackel over Flubber. Jackel who has been prodded and hasn't posted anywhere on site since Monday compared to Flubber who is posting elsewhere and can't be bothered with this game.

Good enough for me.

Waffle/Flubber/GreyICE scumteam.

So vote flubber since no ones voting grey today.

[Garmr]

Guy who's near confirmed town>guy who has some people split. Who do you thinks going to die victor.

[Garmr]

UNVOTE: waffle
VOTE: greyice

I don't see Vda lying he was always one of my top town reads. You almost fooled me there grey ice.

[Garmr]

That's your reasoning? That the wagon on him has grown too quickly, and "there might be scum on it?"

Actually to clarify, I'm certain there's scum on it.

Whose the scum, VGA? Who are the scum?

I think Garmr is town. There's one, if not two, scum among you, 2birds and Flubber.

You can see bits and hints of him being cop if you look.

[Garmr]

Except that I'm town, Garmr, so that theory is out the window. Come on, you really think he played that Q&A with a cop guilty? You're better than that.

He could be trying to see who's town by getting as much info from you as possible.

[Garmr]

"Oh give me a while to write a case"

*looks through my ISO, realizes he can't even believably paint me as scummy with some bullshit case*

"Case is I'm a cop!"

No fuck it, that's complete bullshit, and his flip will prove it.

Pedit: Oh give me a break. If I'm scum I bussed the hell out of Waffle, I'd sure as shit bus Jackal.

Tbh you didn't offer much of reason to jump on the waffle wagon just shifted when he looked like he was going to get it.

[Garmr]

Ugh.

Fakeclaim seems implausible.

So does Cop and Desparado in same game.

Fuck this shit, it's too early in the morning. It's always too early in the morning.

What your missing is the fact that desperado had all those modifiers and was one shot which means that mafia most be pretty amped up. Also all desparodo is, is a weaker vig.

[Garmr]

I'm Wart, from SMB2. My only flavor is "Ribbit" (if the mod kills me over that I'm chucking a brick at them).

I have a 1-shot of an ability called "The Majestic" which lets me force a player to target me. It's currently unused.

are they told that they target you.

[Garmr]

Yup, that was not nearly as concrete as we were led to believe.

unvote
vote GreyICE

Maybe unimportant, but should be noted that I am also a real frog as opposed to a cartoon one?

I'm a real frog as well and not cartoon.

[Garmr]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rog8ou-ZepE

To clarify what that means massive.

[Garmr]

@Also been thinking about grey ices role. It sounds like scum role if we have a couple of investigation roles. He basically can make someone look guilty.

[Garmr]

@Also been thinking about grey ices role. It sounds like scum role if we have a couple of investigation roles. He basically can make someone look guilty.

Pretty limited usefulness for scum. When a "guilty" flips town, the scum dies next.

Don't really need an investigative role as scum either, unless it's multiball.

You don;t really get what I said. They aren't even told grey ice used his ability so if cop uses it the innocent dies then the cop dies two free mislynches plus he could get doctor protection. Alot of use for scum. What use does he get for town?

[Garmr]

btw we are l-1 on greyice.

[Garmr]

Like, seriously, there is only one reason for Desp to be one-shot, and that's because he can survive failed kills. The only other explanation is that Rumina throws modifiers on roles for the lulz, which does not fit with the other flips we've seen.

Even as only a one-shot, Desp + protection is a vig/cop hybrid, this is ridiculously powerful.

Scum having a roleblocker (which they obviously do have) does not in any way justify the doc + cop combo, and barely justifies a one-shot vig/cop plus full cop.

Cop claim is not believable.

your views on desp are wrong it's not a vig cop hybrid. It's a weaker vig. Unless they crumb who they shoot well, then it just ends up killing themselves going no where. A regular vig trumps it.

[Garmr]

Desp on its own is not vig/cop.

Desp plus protection is (as evidenced by the fact that the mod slapped "one-shot" on there).

I thought desp killed itself even if you were protecting it because of strong willed modifier.

[Garmr]

@mod if we did have a dr would a strong willed desp kill itself if it hit town.

[Garmr]

Thank you

[Garmr]

Not sure why 2birds died over the confirmed cop?

[Garmr]

Also bookitty must be rolling in his grave for falling for scum ate.

[Garmr]

for sure but your role whats it called I can tell you if it's one shot or not.

VOTE: flubber

[Garmr]

are you high jackel

[Garmr]

Yeah, that's what I figured too. The bigger question is why the mafia killed the doc. If they have a GF it's just to kill a good role, if they don't, it's probably because they're terrified of the cop. In the case of the latter we no lynch to a win, but doing that could screw us if it's the former. Anyway, doesn't matter and we should probably should lynch someone and not just NL/Follow the cop. I don't really think it's constructive to talk about who would have been the kind of person to pick up on that and debate as to who each person might target.

I'm heading home from work and then I'll do a bit of a read of GreyIce and try and get a proper read on Flubber (who I've struggled to read most of the game).

No lynching is a pretty bad idea I think primate should be on the to watch list.

[Garmr]

Yeah, that's what I figured too. The bigger question is why the mafia killed the doc. If they have a GF it's just to kill a good role, if they don't, it's probably because they're terrified of the cop. In the case of the latter we no lynch to a win, but doing that could screw us if it's the former. Anyway, doesn't matter and we should probably should lynch someone and not just NL/Follow the cop. I don't really think it's constructive to talk about who would have been the kind of person to pick up on that and debate as to who each person might target.

I'm heading home from work and then I'll do a bit of a read of GreyIce and try and get a proper read on Flubber (who I've struggled to read most of the game).

No lynching is a pretty bad idea I think primate should be on the to watch list.

I said we should lynch.

Oh sorry I kinda saw the no lynch thing you suggested before and reacted to it immediately.

[Garmr]

If we knew we didn't have a godfather it's the right play. We're at evens, knowing there is a protective role in the game (2b1s was sure) and with a cop, it's a good idea. But we don't, so let's just race them.

Yeh I think I saw the same crumb that 2bird did but I'm not going to point it out.

[Garmr]

I want to hear what flubber is going to say.

[Garmr]

The flubber wagon is the superior wagon so that's todays lynch

[Garmr]

but we are doing flubber today then it will be end game.

[Garmr]

Well you convinced me I'm willing to vote for primate or flubber. Also do you think greyices crying was real day 1 or was he faking it.

[Garmr]

UNVOTE: flubber

VOTE: primate

[Garmr]

well you have to confirmed town putting him at l-1, one scum left and only 5 to lynch l-1 probably will be quick

[Garmr]

I sill feel prohawks town.

People who I am ok lynching.
flubber,Jackel,primate

People who are probably town but I would still lynch anyway.
Total wreck.

[Garmr]

UNVOTE: prim

VOTE: flubber

[Garmr]

I'm going to point out some helpful advice in the future for people playing with me. What I have noticed is scum love to buddy me or try to hard push a lynch on me. I'm pretty good at surviving so that's ok but if your town you may want to observe who's interacting with me closely as I tend to stir up scum reactions.

[Garmr]

I'm probably guilty of having a reactive personality as well.

[Garmr]

I sill feel prohawks town.

People who I am ok lynching.
flubber,Jackel,primate

People who are probably town but I would still lynch anyway.
Total wreck.

Do you have a case for Prohawk town?

I don't believe grey ices interactions with prohawk would make him scum. Other than that gut.

[Garmr]

Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

Garmr -- If you're OK with the Primate lynch, why switch off to join a smaller wagon?

Still prefer a flubber lynch.

[Garmr]

This may seem like an obtuse request, but would you please outline your case on Flubber? I looked at your ISO and I couldn't determine what it was.

Ok quickly then. First couple are meta tells

Flubber doesn't really read the game carefully when his scum as his not hunting so he does fuck ups like the way he reacted to my miller claim even through I said I wasn't.

He tend to sheep more while his scum when his town he does his own thing more independent.

He was hesitant to hammer jackal even through he said he would and thought he was scum and was still pushing me.

I can no longer tell if garmr is tunneling scum or can't handle getting his peepee smacked.

Actually he had 72 hours to get over himself.

VOTE: garmr

I was pretty much considered confirmed town here but he couldn't read the game state town flubber wouldn't miss this.

He has not shown a sign of scum hunting.

Yeah jackel scum claimed.

VOTE: jackel

He sheeps one of my points even through he was massivly scum reading me at the time with no questions asked.

Hey grey we were talking about having garmr botch a fake claim so 2birds and I could bus the shit out of him. But it backfired and got 2birds massive scum points. But I still hopped on the garmr bus with him and the massive wifom of it all is gonna carry me to endgame 3 way lylo where I will use my secret double vote role pm to quickhammer us to victory.

Town already knows they're fucked, so it's only a matter of time before they all start replacing out just to have their replacements replace out. The whole shitstorm is going to be so fucking massive that by the end of it we're probably gonna end up down another list mod while bringing kuribo's campaign to replace a list mod to a screeching halt full of tears.

This sounds like sarcastic fun with a scum buddy

Garmr/waffle scum team

He knows waffles going to flip scum so his trying to link me up here.

There's more to my case but I'm to lazy to write it all.

[Garmr]

Massive how about you go fuck yourself. Since you been a useless fuck since day 1.

[Garmr]

Actually Now I think about it your right massive I apologize. You right about flubber it was confirmation bias when we had scum in you all along.

Waffle is pinging my newbie scum radar.

What precisely pinged your scumdar, please?

I'm not accusing you of being scum, yet. Just stating my opinion as far as play. I'm just a dumb newbie though

This is you trying to link flubber and bookitty early game. This looks like scum who's about to bus your buddy.

Also massive, what do you think of Garmr and 2birds? You seem to have mostly stayed out of it.

They're both goobers who know a lot of Mafia terminology.

You intentionally tried not to pick when both me and 2birds argued.

Here, BooKitty, this one's for you:

unvote
vote WaffleGhost

This when you decide to bus your buddy

Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

Garmr -- If you're OK with the Primate lynch, why switch off to join a smaller wagon?

you ask why i went to a smaller wagon here


quote="In post 746 , massive"]

Ok quickly then. First couple are meta tells

Flubber doesn't really read the game carefully when his scum as his not hunting so he does fuck ups like the way he reacted to my miller claim even through I said I wasn't.

Your miller claim "gambit" was idiotic so why would anyone's reaction to it be suspect?

He tend to sheep more while his scum when his town he does his own thing more independent.

Links to games to back this up?

He was hesitant to hammer jackal even through he said he would and thought he was scum and was still pushing me..

At this point Jackel is more likely town than you are, so why is being hesitant to hammer town a scum tell? At the very least, it's super unlikely that they're BOTH scum.

I can no longer tell if garmr is tunneling scum or can't handle getting his peepee smacked.

Actually he had 72 hours to get over himself.

I was pretty much considered confirmed town here but he couldn't read the game state town flubber wouldn't miss this.

The only thing that "confirms" you as town is whether Bookitty targeted you or not, so it's all speculation despite her posts. And despite this, you can't seem to actually ACT town, so this is OMGUS.

He sheeps one of my points even through he was massivly scum reading me at the time with no questions asked.

Link to your post where this is one of your "points."

This sounds like sarcastic fun with a scum buddy

At very best this is your confirmation bias.

He knows waffles going to flip scum so his trying to link me up here.

And same.

There's more to my case but I'm to lazy to write it all.

You're never going to get anyone to go along with you with that attitude. Certainly not me.[/quote]
And insulting people won't get people to go along with you

UNVOTE: flubber
VOTE: massive

[Garmr]

that quote fail -_-

[Garmr]

UNVOTE: massive

I do eventually cool my head.

[Garmr]

But massive please don't play me out as incompetent because I did have the all the flipped scum in my scum reads day 1 (even if I was reading waffle was a null-scum it's still a scum read.)

[Garmr]

Also I want to point out I was right when I said scum would probably be at the end of the waffle wagon with little to no reasoning (aka grey ice)

[Garmr]

hey orc I'm confirmed town due to bookitty killing himself on me and vic is cop. Enjoy the catch up.

[Garmr]

VOTE: Primate

I don't think I'm getting my flubber lynch today

[Garmr]

totalwreck unvoted.

[Garmr]

YAHHHHH ARCHHHHHANGEEEELLL the mod of my fave game I played as mafia.

[Garmr]

YAHHHHH ARCHHHHHANGEEEELLL the mod of my fave game I played as mafia.

Hey Garmr... How is it going

Mod - Is it possible to get deadline extension?

Pretty good I'm confirmed town.

[Garmr]

garmr are you going to ignore me and hope we end up lynching someone or...?

I think prohawks town it's just gut rather a primate lynch.

[Garmr]

hi arcangel

garmr and vda are basically confirmed town

flubber and your slot are town by interaction with the scum we lynched d1

with two mislynches to spare, we win if we lynch through prohawk/primate/massive, preferably in that order

How are Garmar and VDA are confirmed town?
I didn't had a chance to start from page 1 yet. I am planning on do it tonight.

Bookitty was a desperado and fell for scum ate and shot me. Bookitty died.

[Garmr]

vik is a cop who got a guilty.

[Garmr]

@orc
tbh neither of those scenarios were what happened day 1d. I feel like flubber jumping on flubber was not to distance or direct the wagon but to try frame me as a buddy waffles buddy by trying to mirror his opions with mine. He was desperately clawing to bring me down it would of worked if boo kitty didn't clear me.

[Garmr]

@Garmr, Flubber and GreyICE with 2birds as a possible 3rd.

@Bookitty, I would shoot Rumia x Cirno. Nah, I'd probably go with Flubber.

would like to point out waffle treat grey ice the same as grey ice. So for people saying that waffle wouldn't act that way around a scum buddy just look at grey ice.

[Garmr]

now that you mention it I may of been wrong about flubber I still want him sorted through. If so 2/3 scum day 1 is a good read list but 3/3 would be better.

Also Is there anyone else he started treating the same as greyice through?

[Garmr]

hey
buddy buddy
can we lynch prohawk

You'll understand my reluctance to follow you when your path of lynching includes me, right?

And it still drives me nuts that Garmr feels like he has to say he's confirmed town on every game page.

I never been confirmed town before through it's awesome.

[Garmr]

23 hours left will this end in a no lynch.

[Garmr]

I want to find out more things before the night ends through I feel like we are missing something but I don't know what it is.

[Garmr]

actually i will sleep

[Garmr]

I couldn't sleep oh well I couldn't remember what peaked my interest earlier anyway. Just angel is likely town because of the total wreck slot (judging that from house.)

[Garmr]

Garmr am I town yet

Pro you played well after being dealt a shit hand

gg all

Thanks for hosting mod

Check the dead thread I narrowed it to you or prohawk.

Also wtf was wrong with total wreck house/titus

Giving bullet proof to massive he should of gave to me the confirmed town or the VDA town cop. Then again it was titus and house shouldn't expect much here ;/.

Going to pat prohawk on the back you had to deal with those two as your scum buddies.

[Garmr]

Would like to give a pat to the back to VDA and feysal as well.

Also gg this game was well designed I enjoyed it greatly so thanks to the mods.

[Garmr]

I was lucky that I was cleared lol.