Mini 1626: Duck Tales Mafia (Game Over)

[DOMO]

Duck tales, woo oo oo.

Gunna have that on my head for the next however long.

Hi everyone, did I miss rvs?

[DOMO]

I'm anti-town, but I'm town nonetheless.

What?

You. Be my first vote.

VOTE: total wreck

[DOMO]

So who are hydras and heads? Don't make me go to the sign up thread and read through it please.

[DOMO]

Ok so I figured out you're house and titus, and the one talking now must be house because no way you're titus.

But seeing as you made me go look in the sign up thread, I'm keeping my vote on you until something better comes along. That'll teach you.

[DOMO]

I think I've played with pasch once and he was lynch bait, everything he seemed to do was scummy. I think I was scum in that game. I could be remembering badly though. It was back in my reverend days. His comment about everything he posts looking scummy, it pinged but then again town can ping. I'm in no hurry to jump on pasch.

mastin's lunge at me is extremely fabricated. She's gone from "best guess for #3" in the first of a flurry of five posts, then the next four all mention me casually as scum. But there's no reason for it whatsoever. At best it's a bad gut read, at worst she's looking for targets. Feels a lot more like the latter. She's concerned about my first vote? That makes no sense.

VOTE: mastin

[DOMO]

Just looked back through my games and pasch was scum in my very first game here. I'll come back to that later on in the day when there's content for comparison.

[DOMO]

I was town who killed majiffy at lylo for the scum win after arguing with him most of the game. Happy memories.

[DOMO]

You know, since you are too pompous to ask clarifying questions and all.

Is it normal for house to casually insult people? This could be alignment indicative, but I have no history with house so idk if this is just a house tell or something worth looking into.

[DOMO]

Pinky! OMG, I'm so excited! I had no idea you'd be in my first game here until I saw your name in that awesome intro vid. Anyway, I think I found scum already, you should definitely help me lynch her.

VOTE: farside

This feels awkward. The vote is obviously a rvs joke, farside was yet to post at this stage. But the tone of the post feels unnatural.

[DOMO]

It's not alignment indicative. I'm always an ass.

Fair enough. I'm fresh enough from a game with titus that I feel like I should be able to read her, so I'm just gonna wait for her to get involved before deciding where I am with you guys.

[DOMO]

Funnily enough DOMO started out on this site as a failed hydra.

[DOMO]

That's the most sarcastic comment I've seen in at least ten minutes.

[DOMO]

That's a good read. I tend to revise my posts heavily while making them. So, I'm not at all surprised if they come off sounding a bit less than organic. However, on the plus side, they tend to be very clear and free of errors, so there is little miscommunication.

This isn't the reaction I was expecting and tbh you've stumped me here. It would seem odd for scum to acknowledge my argument in this manner, rather than to counter my comments or question my motive. It's also strange for you to freely admit you're revising posts if you're scum, seeing as it's scum who have the stronger interest in ensuring their posts are mistake free. I don't preview my posts as town nearly as often as when I'm scum. But if I were scum who was revising, I doubt very much I'd be in any hurry to admit I'm previewing.

It feels weird giving you a town lean for these comments, but it's what my gut feels.

[DOMO]

Well, DOMO's still stands out, but less so. Bulb's stands out a bit more, though.

This looks to me like someone testing the waters to see who the easy mislynches will be. mastin swings for me and bulb. There doesn't seem to be any anti-domo sentiment coming from anywhere, on the contrary people like farside are engaging me, so mastin is posturing to drop that read while keeping bulb in sight, which looks a more promising avenue. Fishy.

Fleeting memory may be faulty, but I REMEMBER the last time DOMO voted me like this he was scum.

Which game was this mastin? Your name is familiar but I can't remember what game we've played.

[DOMO]

I'm stalking farside.

By accident, but this is like 3 games in a row now.

pedit - total wreck is house (active) and titus (inactive)

[DOMO]

Why would you even say that?

[DOMO]

Yeah but he should know that's wifomy as hell and is just gonna make people go waaaaa.

[DOMO]

She?

[DOMO]

Arright, between TW, Mastina, Farside and I, this game should go smoothly

I don't trust mastin. Otherwise I'm good with this group.

[DOMO]

That feels a lot more town motivated than mastin's push at me.

[DOMO]

Are you high? I townread mastin more than either of the others right now. Even me.

Yes I'm high. I have a somewhat large bong in front of me.

UNVOTE:

I'm unimpressed with mastin, but you guys seem better placed than I am to get a read on her, so I'll back off, at least for today. But I maintain that her attack on me did not feel right, in contrast to pine's recent vote for me.

[DOMO]

Why no interaction with me then?

For the same reason I haven't interacted with mrs marangel yet. It's like asking me why I haven't got a hat on today. Because I haven't put one on. I haven't really had anything to say to you farside because, well nothing has stood out from you.

You had 2 people agree with each other about Martin.
Why do you think they know better?

pine and mastin have said that they go way back. TW seems to have played a lot of games recently with mastin. I have one game that I can't remember but mastin can, that's our history. So I feel pine and TW are better placed to read mastin than I am, certainly when it comes to meta, which is the basis on which most d1 reads are built. That's not to say I won't try, and that's not to say I'm going to blindly sheep them, but for today I'm willing to take into account their read of mastin.

[DOMO]

mastin i have absolutely no idea why you think we're town

but i'll take it

Should you not be concerned when randomly towned?

mastin not convincing me.

[DOMO]

Needless to say, you can trust me.

No. Saying you can be trusted does not make you trustworthy. I don't expect anyone to trust me just because I say so. I expect to earn people's trust by scumhunting and generally showing my hand as a townie. I don't see why town says what you say here. I don't see why town expects to be trusted on d1 so easily. I'd expect town to be thinking that trust is earned, not demanded.

[DOMO]

Still, though. Whoever else may be scum, Romitelli IS scum, soyeah.

Do go on.

Still waiting.

And you'll be waiting for a while, since I don't feel like explaining it right now. It's just really, really,

really

obvious. Even a blind old person could see it.

Like, I have doubts on basically every read of mine (yes, to some extent even on DOMO), except my read on you.
I rarely get this confident on a read, but in this case I just so happen to

know

it's right. Hard to explain.

This post here is the first time mastin actually engages rom directly. The scum read that mastin has on rom makes absolutely no sense at all. I just ISO'd rom and I'm at a loss. I'm not saying rom is obvtown because he's not, but he's far from obvscum. I see nothing scummy. mastin is going to have to explain this because right now it looks a lot to me like she's bullshitting scumreads, and we all know which alignment that points to.

According to mastin's ISO, she picked up an insta scum read on rom based on his RVS vote on me. Funny how it pinged mastin but not me. Anyway, mastin just continues to call him scum without explaining, before she finally talks directly to rom, where she refuses to expand on her scum read.

VOTE: mastin

It's not ok to call someone scum without explaining why you think so, certainly not if you're going to use langauge like "know", in italics. Explain you scum read on rom, or swing from rope.

[DOMO]

yoink

[DOMO]

pine, why are my attacks cheap and shitty, while mastin gets a pass for her attacks on rom with literally no basis?

[DOMO]

Is there a meta case on rom that I'm unaware of? Because all I see are a few casual posts and not much else. I have no idea how people have a scumread on him unless casual posting this early is a killer scum tell for him.

For the record, I don't even care if mastin is right about rom, in fact that would probably be more suspicious.

TW, why is mastin town?

[DOMO]

Because Rom, despite several posts, hasn't done a single thing that even starts to resemble scum hunting.

This is reasonable. But does it not alarm you that mastin is scumreading rom based entirely off his rvs vote on me?

[DOMO]

ok to those who know mastin's game better than I do...

Does she have a tendancy to push scumreads on extremely thin grounds when town? How about as scum? Does she have a tendancy to bus buddies? I'm too lazy to go through her old games, metadiving is boring.

[DOMO]

Leaning Bulbazak scum.

He has much incentive to indict mastin because she is a big threat to scum..

This is tenuous. First of all it assumes mastin is town. Secondly, there's lots of people here who, when town, are a threat to scum. Third, why does it make bulb scum but not me?

[DOMO]

L-1

[DOMO]

lol I counted Shiny Hydreigon as two people.

It's L-2

[DOMO]

When is it customary to claim around here?

When someone states intent.

[DOMO]

^ both town imo

[DOMO]

VOTE: shiny hdra

[DOMO]

lol at the beetlejuice

[DOMO]

town: {mastin, Paschendale, farside, Total Wreck, DOMO}

I could personally go for Wreck, and farside atm. maybe domo. thoughts?

So you can lynch two of your townreads huh?

[DOMO]

pfft hydra dissonance.

Who are your heads? Wisdom and R?

[DOMO]

Wisdom is R according to your hydra slip. Who's the other head?

[DOMO]

Ofc Mrs Marangal. Ok nvm.

[DOMO]

Oh there's three of you. Awesome.

Ok I'll accept hydra dissonance as your reason for stupid contrasting reads. But please get your reads united for future days, because hydra dissonance distracts me to the point where I just want to kill hydras.

[DOMO]

UNVOTE:

[DOMO]

Then I'll probably throw more votes on you. Deal with that.

[DOMO]

Feel free to expect me to scumread you for inappropriate usage of commas.

[DOMO]

how about you stop fluffing and move your vote to someone?

R~

I'm under no obligation to have a vote on anyone 9 days before deadline or whatever we're at. As for my fluff, if all I was posting was fluff then fair enough, but the majority of what I post is relevant. So no, I won't stop with the fluff. Sometimes I post light hearted stuff. If you don't like it, vote for me. Then you can try to figure out if me not giving a shit is fake or not.

[DOMO]

I'm under obligation to scumhunt? Ok then, I'll copy you.

x and y are so scummy.

Did I do good?

[DOMO]

I dunno, I was simply mocking your idea of scumhunting.

[DOMO]

^so much scum

bulba/pasche/x

R~

Like, this is expert.

[DOMO]

Read my ISO, then get back to me.

[DOMO]

So, again, why should I not think you're scum when you apparently don't care about finding scum?

Also, some self meta that I'm sure farside confirm - when I'm scum I try very hard to look like town. When I'm town I just am town, I don't try to be town. I'm also very prone to FPS when scum. Here you might notice a half assed sort of floating by because it's d1 sort of feel. You can consider that one of my many town tells.

pedit - yeah mastin is still scum though. I backed off because noone is interested. I think pine might be scum because he seems to think my attacks are cheap and shitty, while ignoring mastin for really cheap and shitty attacks. You, idk, I guess I'm trying to figure out your motive. You accuse me of not scumhunting, but nearly every single one of your posts are casual one liners. I can't see where you explain your scumreads on pasch and bulb in any detail. Maybe that's not a scum tell with you, maybe you're just lazy. But accusing me of not scumhunting just because I'm being a little trollish right now, well it feels like you're throwing shit around to see what sticks. I can see you being scum.

[DOMO]

Right... so do you have anything to support any of that? -As a lawyer, you should understand the concept of "evidence."

As someone who I assume isn't stupid, you surely understand that "evidence" in the strict definition of the word is not forthcoming on d1.

[DOMO]

the problem you have is you're translating "playstyle i dont understand/like" into "scum motivation". both your "cases" are just that. Consider different people have different ways of playing.

Scum motivation is about as reliable a tell as you're gonna get so early. That's how I operate this early in the game. I try to figure out people's motives. Of course I'm sometimes wrong. In fact I'm usually wrong. That's natural. I would expect to have a higher success rate than a pure random average, but I don't even care if I don't. It's d1 and it can last 14 irl days. The hardest part of d1 at this site is not losing interest. That's why I can be a bit trolly, or go a few days without doing anything constructive.

But I'm not gonna change my methods on d1. Nor am I going to apologise for my style. I'm in this for the long haul. Don't assume that what you see now is how I'm going to play all game. Tomorrow we have flips.

[DOMO]

I can only see bulb scum if kitty is scum too. Why else would bulb try to slam the brakes on a kitty wagon while people are pushing for his lynch?

[DOMO]

And that's a scum tell is it?

[DOMO]

Wisdom, one of these days you'll learn how to actually scumhunt. Why is Kitty scum? Why is everyone on her wagon town? Because that's what you're suggesting. You have taken zero interest in figuring out her or my alignment. If you thought my stance was BS, then you should have asked me how I came to my reads on everyone. I've been very clear on my Kitty, TW, and Pasch reads. Less so on my Aronis and Jeckel reads, mostly because they are developing. Aronis's first and only post is opportunistic as crap and exactly what I'd expect from scum him. Jeckel might be town, but his first post, which jumped on the emerging Kitty wagon, felt very mechanical. The only legit vote I've seen is Farside, and that looks to be largely personal. So again, what's the Kitty case?

Getting a strong town vibe from this.

Not into a bulb wagon.

VOTE: pine

Still unimpressed with his "shitty and cheap" accusation, while ignoring rvs attacks that don't evolve.

[DOMO]

well not always, but most times yes. Depends on the circumstances

R~

I WK the shit out of people as town. I just WK'd bulb.

[DOMO]

as for what you quoted, bulba is totally capable of saying such a thing as scum. like i said, if you just easily townread him off such things, he will skate by and win.

Well you're assuming he's scum, which is likely to be a flawed assumption based purely on probability. You're also assuming I'm going to townread him all game based on a decent d1 post. I'm more than happy to act on gut on d1. My gut tells me bulb is town. If someone presents a case more compelling than gut, then fair enough I can be swayed. Good luck with that on d1.

[DOMO]

If he continues to make posts that make me think he is town, then the conclusion I will draw is that he is town.

[DOMO]

You're asking me to lynch bulba based on paranoia, is that right?

[DOMO]

How can you be so sure that bulb is scum when we're 5 irl days into d1? I'm sorry but I'm not the kind of person who blindly sheeps people. I want detailed cases if you want my vote on someone my gut tells me is town. Just saying you're certain does not convince me, on the contrary it makes me more suspicious of you, because I have no idea how you can be so certain bulb is scum this early in the game. I don't agree. I might be wrong. You don't seem to have natural town doubt. I don't trust you, so I'm not going to piggyback on your bulb read. And it's just a read, it hasn't even evolved into a case yet.

[DOMO]

yeh and dont expect it to, i dont make cases

R~

Yeah only an hour or two ago you were telling me about my obligation to scumhunt. Meanwhile, your idea of scumhunting is to throw names around.

I'm guessing that when you named yourself "wisdom" you were being ironic.

Look, you do what you like. But if you expect people to sheep you when you can't be arsed to make cases, or if you expect town cred when you play a lazy one liner style that would be so easy to play as scum, then you're deluded. I'm thinking we should just lynch you because at best you're useless, at worst you're scum.

[DOMO]

I'd assume you got lucky.

[DOMO]

Feels like it. I don't see where your confidence comes from, that's for sure.

[DOMO]

Your ISO is so hard to read. Despite you making a lot of posts using very few words, it's tough to get any kind of context because you don't quote people. This immediately makes you more anti-town than average. You admit yourself that you don't make cases, yet you're happy to accuse people of not scumhunting, and you expect people to sheep you. Tell me why we shouldn't lynch you?

[DOMO]

I'll have a look in an hour or two, I'm distracted now. I'll admit my initial reaction is to smile. I hope you've got something. I hope I'm gonna look really stupid.

[DOMO]

So let's have a look at bulba this game and compare to the two linked above. Note that I have not spoiled bulb's role in either of the linked games, and won't until I'm done.

Ok there's a distinct difference between the two games through the opening stages, and that's his activity. I'm assuming this is what you're getting at shiny. Chain of Command, he's driving the conversation enthusiastically from the off. Playing Card, he makes his intro post then disappears. I'm gonna say based on scanning his ISO in these games that he's town in CoC, while PC he's scum, and if that's the case then my lean on him this game might shift in the direction of scummy.

[DOMO]

ding ding

[DOMO]

VOTE: bulba

[DOMO]

You've won my vote shiny. Well done.

[DOMO]

Well why do you think he's scum?

[DOMO]

It's the enthusiasm that stands out as the dinstinct difference. This game, he waits until last to post, makes a couple of posts, then he's gone while others drive the conversation. It's similar in PC. But CoC he's much more involved through the inital stages.

[DOMO]

Got the both correct based on a glance through his first 30 posts or whatever. Maybe I got lucky. If he's scum here though then for sure that's a tell for him, and for sure he'll rectify it after this game.

[DOMO]

lol I'm reading page 18 thinking "is there any point to this exchange between pine and shiny".

Irony huh?

[DOMO]

What the fuck is wrong with mastin?

VOTE: mastin[/mastin]

Tantrums are not cool. If you don't like being called a liar, don't fucking play mafia, jfc.

[DOMO]

lol derp vote

VOTE: mastin

[DOMO]

What the fuck is wrong with mastin?

VOTE: mastin[/mastin]

Tantrums are not cool. If you don't like being called a liar, don't fucking play mafia, jfc.

Tantrums are alignment indicative?

In mastin's case, I don't know. It's certainly annoying when someone throws their toys out of the pram because they are being accused of lying, or being scum. And seeing as I've already had reason to suspect mastin, then for sure it's grounds for me to get back on. Half gut scum read, half policy lynch. Whatever. The point remains, if you don't like being called a liar, then this game is not for you. I can't be doing with this kind of nonsense. People talk about mastin like she's a strong asset to town, but I'm not seeing it. I'm seeing a burden. It's day one. She's a fine lynch after that tanturm.

[DOMO]

In Playing Card, I made an RVS vote shortly before leaving to see a movie. When I came back, I had to fight off a wagon. In Chain of Command, I had access from the very beginning that allowed for those early interactions. As for this game, I posted about 4 hours after the game started, and that was because I was spending some time with family and that was the earliest time I could read the game. My activity in any game is related to availability, not alignment. If you want to double check, I have a whole wiki full of past games that you can look through.

This is such an easy defence to my attack, that it's more natural to question my motive, rather than take your time to explain yourself. You're talking to me here like you have no concern whatsoever about my motive for suddenly finding reason to jump on your wagon. That's more concerning than the activity tell I picked up on, which can easily mean nothing at all.

To be quite honest the reaction I'd expect from town is something along the lines of "are you kidding me".

Your mastin vote makes life difficult for me. I'm not leaving my vote on mastin if it's purely a policy lynch, and with you being scum, my scumread on her is thin.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: bulb

[DOMO]

Finally getting town vibes off mastin. The reply to me feels sincere.

I don't agree that wisdom is anti-town. I'm not a huge fan of his one-liner style, I think he's playing a balanced game, one that is easy to play as either alignment. But that doesn't make him anti-town, it makes him dangerous. I'll say this though - shiny has generated a great deal of discussion so far. Maybe it's next to useless now while we're still talking shit on d1, but on d4 when there's real information, well maybe the d1 conversation will be more relevant.

Those who think he's anti-town, well that's probably scum trying to discredit him (pine), or maybe a null read who really needs more than 13 posts before he starts accusing people of being anti-town (aronis).

[DOMO]

Who the fuck has a shit before eating?

[DOMO]

Anyway I'm liking shiny for town after this recent exchange with TW. Not so convinced about wreck.

[DOMO]

Anyway I'm liking shiny for town after this recent exchange with TW. Not so convinced about wreck.

Are you scum our VI?

Save me the trouble of figuring that out, phase.

Yeah because anyone who dares to not immediately read you as town must be one of the two.

Muppet.

[DOMO]

Look.

Shiny is town.
wreck might or might not be.
pine is probably scum.

Let's lynch bulba.

[DOMO]

bulba's reaction to me is really odd. Put yourself in the position of town who is being accused of an activity of the type I accused bulba of. You're town who knows I'm wrong, so how do you react? Are you fucking kidding me, what the fuck is this, something like that. Not to formally explain yourself without even the slightest hint of suspicion about my motivation for attacking. I don not think his reaction to me was that of a townie.

As for wreck, I wouldn't be surprised either way. I can see why he's scummy, I also get town vibes off him too. I haven't settled on a read on wreck and probably won't today.

[DOMO]

who is being accused of an *activity of the type I accused bulba of

*activity tell

[DOMO]

how can one think that this pasche push that came out of nowhere and continues to be unexplained comes from town? i feel you guys didnt read what happened

R~

Inconsistency is not a scum tell. Refusing to explain, well this interests me more. But scum tend to make more effort than town to be consistent in their reads.

pedit - yeah I realise that applying "what I think should happen" is not a perfect method of scumhunting. But I would still expect such a method to serve me better than randomly stabbing.

[DOMO]

Maybe I haven't read it properly. I have a bad habit of scanning on d1 because it's mostly fluff.

[DOMO]

I started reading a double ISO of pash + wreck and I got bored very quickly. I'm too lazy for this shit, especially on a saturday. Where does wreck's read on pasche suddenly change?

[DOMO]

I'm dying to vote Pine, myself.

I hope he townies his ass up, and soon.

@Pine: I saw what you were capable of as a scum hunter, so now I'm spoiled and expect it all the time.

This feels really strange. Why would town say he hopes pine towns his ass up? Why would town want someone who looks scummy to stop being scummy? I think wreck had this very same thought process as he read back what he had posted... hence the explanation two minutes later.

This is really odd.

I found this while looking at wreck with pasch and shiny past post 506. I'm starting to agree with shiny that wreck's flip onto pasch is a huge red flag, and certainly wreck's inability to explain himself, along with these awkward posts I quote above, has me thinking that wreck would indeed be optimal lynch for today.

I'm sold.

VOTE: wreck

[DOMO]

I'm not taking scum at their word. I found my own reason to suspect you, which in turn reinforces what shiny is saying, which in turn makes me think it's you that's scum, not him. Them. Whatever.

[DOMO]

Also, calling me an idiot is not going to make me think "holy shit I'm an idiot", it's going to make me believe that you're more likely caught scum. And even if you're not, I'm not going to consider myself an idiot, because it's d1 in a game of mafia. If only idiots make misreads, than this site is brimming full of idiots, of which I'm proud to be one of them.

pedit - if you say so. Whoever I vote for, I was just looking for an excuse. Sure.

[DOMO]

Hey wreck, can you quote where shiny defended pasch please? Thanks.

[DOMO]

So why is shiny scum but I get ignored for, um, undermining the pasch wagon by trying to lynch pine. And masin. And bulba.

[DOMO]

Thing is wreck, whatever your alignment, I think shiny is town as fuck. If he's not, well done. But from my pov he's more town than anyone not called DOMO. I'll worry about shiny if he hasn't been NK'ed as we approach lylo.

[DOMO]

So why is shiny scum but I get ignored for, um, undermining the pasch wagon by trying to lynch pine. And masin. And bulba.

Show me where you were voting and hard scumreading Pasche before you abandoned his wagon for a flimsy excuse and I'll scumread you, too.

Like if we were on a Bulba wagon together, and I hoped off and stated voting, say SH out of the blue With no scumread on SH when I was hard scumreading Bulba, what do you think that would look like to you?

Well it would perhaps occur to me that you might be trying to drive conversation and generate information. But sure, you have a point here, if I were paying attention and you did that, it would stike me as alarming.

But your unwillingness to engage directly with shiny, that suggests to me that he's getting somewhere, and it's easier for you to ingore him.

[DOMO]

But how can you be so sure? I'm engaging now with someone I think is scum, because, well maybe I'm wrong.

pedit - sure. Why whatever shiny asked you?

[DOMO]

ladies give it a rest please. I predict there's exactly one scum between you, and we lynch wreck today and if he flips town we lynch shiny tomorrow, and if he flips town then lynch me for lining up mislynches, then when I flip town blame shiny and wreck for shitting all over the thread on d1 with their so certain scum reads.

[DOMO]

shiny you seem to be arguing kitty is scum because she's not acting in a way you'd expect town to act. Did you have a moan at me for doing just that earlier?

[DOMO]

Ugh!

I'd pay money not to have to read this game.
*grumbles*
I'll do what I can. Bare with me.

Do what I'm doing. Just pretend you're reading while giving the impression you know vaguely what's going on. Then when it's d2, most of this d1 noise doesn't even matter.

[DOMO]

This is where I half assed look at someone's ISO in an attempt to find something that allows me to vaguely wave my finger at them.

[DOMO]

I don't think my tongue in cheek tone comes across all that well in type.

[DOMO]

Kitty's still my strongest read. Her interactions with the idiotic attacks on me continue the problems I have with her play. It's too eager to please, too intent on maneuvering allies, and completely indifferent to making good points. No idea about Shiny. All that yammering and bullshit can come from town or scum. Some of it looks genuine, some of it looks completely fabricated, and a lot of it just looks ego-driven. There's definitely some scum hiding among the less chatty players, like Aronis or Doubleslap. They are examples, not suspects. They need to talk more. For example, I like Aronis' readlist, but it needs some explanation.

The language of this post makes me think that maybe pasch is scum. "idiotic attacks", "yammering and bullshit", "ego-driven"... this I suspect is the frustration of someone caught on d1, maybe for the wrong reasons. Instead of attacking the arguments, he's attacking the people.

Yeah. You guys totally nailed it. I'm endlessly WKing townies and/or hard buddying my scumbuddies (depending on how you read any other person), feigning niceness at every turn, diabolically talking to people and trying to understand them rather than relentlessly screaming at them like a good townie should, and overall just trying to bring some semblance of cooperation and civility into the most antisocial atmosphere I've ever encountered in my life (nefariously).

So, yes, please, kill me. I'm so scum it's starting to hurt. Your well honed Mafiascum hunting skills are no match for me.

This on the other hand, it's a sarcastic slap down. This feels a lot more natural.

Pine's reaction to this is interesting. Hey I caught scum, wait no I didn't I need sleep. That's the towniest pine has looked so far.

doubleslap has bulba as scum thanks to poe on d1? Well done, that's impressive.

I'm thinking of our last game together when you say things like that. Add on a cool role and add 50% more trolley and that was your play that game.

Good, that means I played well last game.

Domo: why is pine a scum read?

It was basically gut, but I think I was wrong. Recent posting looks better.

[DOMO]

i hate self votes so much

So vote for him. I would purely for the self vote if it wasn't for the fact I'm already on him. Dude is scum or a liability. I'm not shifting now unless something really compelling comes up, which I doubt.

[DOMO]

Incorrect.

[DOMO]

Is that your idea of scumhunting? Say "scumposting" and do nothing else? Why didn't you take a deeper look at me? It's interesting that you don't seem to be all the interested in figuring out my alignment. Town wants to find scum, which is why town would click the ISO button and take maybe even just a glance to see what else might stand out. The fact you show no interest in investigation betrays your alignment.

[DOMO]

Well then we're back to my comment about you either being scum or a liability.

[DOMO]

Well then we're back to my comment about you either being scum or a liability.

Which is it?

Well that's what I'm hoping to find out.

[DOMO]

Which I said about SH, and you agreed with

Not a fan of the hypocrisy

I don't agree that shiny scum or liability. You're imagining hypocrisy.

[DOMO]

Ohwait, I don't think pine was directing tha at me.

nvm

[DOMO]

I need TW's flip to help solidify, would you help?

You're not even voting for wreck yourself.

[DOMO]

I've got reason to town-pasche now but it's experimental.

This is where your vote is. Pasch.

So you're voting for a townread while rallying up votes for a scumread you're not voting for yourself. Hmmm.

[DOMO]

Something more compelling came up.

VOTE: aronis

[DOMO]

Pasche is prob town at this point.

Wisdom, If you lynch kitty today, I'll lynch any townie you want tomorrow, provided they don't claim to be a PR.

^ word

[DOMO]

Forgive my ignorance, but who is marquis, and why does he say kill instead of vote? Kill is what scum say in the den when making night kills. I wanna lynch whoever marquis is.

[DOMO]

A lazy scan of marquis' posts show that he normally uses the vote tags. I think that's a scumslip.

[DOMO]

Oh it's a gambit of faggotry is it? Fine.

dayvig doubleslap

[DOMO]

Has anyone actually ever seen a dayvig on d1 that wasn't a gambit?

[DOMO]

I haven't. Until today of course, because mine isn't a gambit. You scum doubleslap?

[DOMO]

Jesus wept look at all the information that this gambit *cough* I mean dayvig has created. I'm so pro town. I might just be the best player on this site.

[DOMO]

domo pls tell me you're trolling

I wouldn't dream of such a thing.

I did think the kill thing was a dumb slip though. I hoped. Maybe it is a scumslip but will be brushed off as a gambit. Who knows. Who cares.

But really. What information has anyone ever gained from a dayvig gambit on d1? I find it more likely that it's a pathetic attempt to gain town cred.

pedit - marquis please stop posting as marquis, or at the very least quote your posts from your hydra acc

[DOMO]

KFC

hahahahaha that's funny because of what I childishly imagine you mean.

[DOMO]

marquis, please... these posts you are currently making will not come up in ISO when anyone later looks at doubleslap... so once again I ask, please quote these posts to ensure they do, otherwise it's potentially angelshooting and I'm down with a policy lynch. You're making ISOs harder work later. I don't want to have to remember to add marquis to a doubleslap ISO. I want you to quote your slips. Quote your marquis posts from doubleslap or I'm voting for you.

[DOMO]

Thank you.

[DOMO]

Wait I'm a bit slow today...

You actually believed my gambit? Hahahaha no way. No. Fucking. Way.

doubleslap is scum.

[DOMO]

It annoys me when hydra slips don't get quoted.

[DOMO]

i was always going to quote it later it's what i do but your sense of urgency about it doesn't seem very genuine at all :[

I find this hard to believe too, mainly because I think you just showed your hand as scum. Why in the hell would you think my gambit is real when you just did a gambit? That makes so little sense. It feels more like you're acting how you foolishly think town would act in that spot. I was so obviously trolling though that I can't imagine how anyone thought that was for real.

pedit - I'm not the only slow one though, right? I've just hit a bong. What's marquis' excuse?

[DOMO]

Oh. Well whatever. Thanks for making excuses for him.

[DOMO]

Ok so I'm eay to troll when I'm baked. Having read through that exchange again, I now realise how stupid I look. Fortunately it amuses me. doubleslap didn't show his hand as scum, I'm just being dumb. Another bong is the obvious solution.

[DOMO]

hi5

[DOMO]

Ok so you're voting me based on paranoia because I'm too town, is that it? Outstanding.

[DOMO]

nope youre high

Yeah but that doesn't make me scum. Neither does derping scumtells. Neither does anything else you have to say because I'm not scum. I can prove it by dying and flipping town.

[DOMO]

Alright maybe next time I say "what kind of moron uses a dayvig on d1?".

[DOMO]

I'd be tempted to, in all fairness. Liven up the worst day of the game. Hitting town isn't disaster. Fun. I'd know it's not optimal though.

[DOMO]

I laughed.

[DOMO]

Why Domo?

Because I highlighted this...

Pasche is prob town at this point.

Wisdom, If you lynch kitty today, I'll lynch any townie you want tomorrow, provided they don't claim to be a PR.

^ word

He's hoping I'm lynchable because I'm obviously a threat to him now.

[DOMO]

Oh yeah. Let's have a look where that scum read emerged from...

I feel like Domo is probably town and Wisdom is his usual annoying self.

Ok so I'm town here.

I was thinking more like: kitty/wisdom/bulba.

I guess I'm still town here.

Wisdom/kitty/[one of:DOMO/Bulba] is the scumteam!

Oh here we are. Now I'm scum.

Solid thought process.

So, care to explain where that scumread came from? Because it looks to me like it came out of your arse.

[DOMO]

Ok so if aronis is scum, then there's at least one between bulba and wreck, maybe both of them. Consider the timing of aronis moving from town to scum with me. He says I'm town, I turn on bulba then wreck, aronis says I'm potential scum.

[DOMO]

I guess we could lynch Bulba, then. I'd feel much better about kitty though.

aronis and bulb could be a thing.

[DOMO]

400 posts in between my change in reads. That's not a 180, quit pretending like it is.

And how much had you interacted with me during this time? What made you change our mind? Why didn't you challenge me about whatever caught your eye?

[DOMO]

lol our = your

[DOMO]

God I hate d1 at this site. 14 days of blah blah blah.

So aronis thinks I'm scum. At first I figure he was just throwing shit back at me because I'm throwing some at him, but this exchange with shiny, aronis actually comes across as sincerre, more so than shiny. I'm not saying shiny is now a scum read because I think it's a style thing, but aronis certainly feels better than he did, even is he is pointing his finger at me and someone I *think* is town.

meh idfk. I have no cast iron scum reads. I'll be the first to admit I'm skating by now, I just want a lynch so we can get to work.

[DOMO]

"blah blah blah" is necessary for figuring out people.

Yes but it's boring on d1 because we ONLY have blah blah blah, and it's the length of the days I'm more bothered about. It's, what, day 12? I'm basically in limbo. I have no compelling scumreads. It's been a particularly unproductive d1 so far, by my standards. I'm basically bored and want to see someone's head get cut off.

[DOMO]

VOTE: pasch

Blatant bloodthristy wagonning to minimise the risk of a no-lynch.

[DOMO]

d1 end is 9 days? jfc I thought it was 2 days. Well there's no need for me to panic vote pasch. Quite what we're gonna do for another 9 days is a mystery.

UNVOTE:

[DOMO]

You don't really need to panic anyway; there aren't deadline no-lynches in this game. It goes to highest voted.

Oh yeah. Now it's obvious I didn't read the full rules in OP.

[DOMO]

i dont get this behavior. So do you want a lynch quickly like you were claiming or not? How did the fact we have more time change that?

Well my vote for pasch was because I thought we had two days left and that majority was needed. Only one of these points no longer applying would be enough for me to rescind and see what else happens, but as it happens both these points no longer apply. I've already said I'm bored, and that I'm struggling to get any solid reads. That's not me complaining about the game or playerlist, it's just that after 13 days I'm kind of looking forward to a flip or two so we can start to apply factual evidence to our gut reads. I'll have much more enthusiasm from d2 onwards. Until then I'm basically prod dodging while keeping up with recent posts.

[DOMO]

Because it makes no difference if I'm on him or not. I'm not scumreading him. It was a panic vote. There's no need for me to make panic votes. That's basically the gist of it.

[DOMO]

VOTE: aronis

This is my preferred lynch.

[DOMO]

Given a choice between wreck and pasch, it's wreck.

[DOMO]

That's interesting. Why do you think Pasche isn't scum?

R~

I never said that. I said I'm not scumreading him. That doesn't mean he isn't scum. It means if he is, he's escaped me so far. I've said I'm not really getting any solid reads. I'm acting basically on gut. My gut says pasch is lynchbait.

Although, mastin analysing the pasch wagon and dishing out credit before we get a flip, it's quite possible that mastin is bussing pasch and is positioning herself to emerge as the driving force behind the wagon, while setting me up for the mislynch thanks to my weak vote. Only problem with that is, if I were gonna bus pasch, I have a better reason to vote him than that flimsy piece of shit. But I can't expect people to believe that when I'm self aware of my own tendancies. I'd just hope that if I got lynched based on a pasch scumflip, my town flip would mean mastin was next.

[DOMO]

Oh. Well I'm not WK'ing him, at least not intentionally. I don't care if he gets lynched. I just won't be on the wagon unless I feel obliged.

[DOMO]

Or unless he scums it up. Which is possible.

[DOMO]

You don't care if we lynch town? Like, you feel he's lynchbait yet are okay with it? How does that work?

R~

Pedit: what more does he need to do to scum it up? He's already being as scummy as one can get.

Yes I care if we lynch town. But I would prefer a mislynch to a no lynch. And "scummy as one can get" is a matter of opinion, and it seems our opinions differ.

Wall of self meta.

I feel like you just did some magic. I was looking at your left hand while your right hand did the trick.

As for wreck saying he's bussing his buddy mastin... well aside from the fact that it's specifically against the rules to claim scum with someone else, even as a joke, as stated in OP, which I've read now, I've only ever ONCE seen someone say something along those lines, and guess what, it was scum bussing a buddy.

VOTE: wreck

Happy to lynch mastin too. I guess I prefer wreck because I think mastin is the greater loss when town.

[DOMO]

The only thing I can understand from this is that you don't have any kind of read on Pasche. In which case, why are you not trying to get one?

For the same reason I'm not wearing a hat.

[DOMO]

The reason I'm not wearing a hat is because I haven't put one on.

Does it make sense yet?

[DOMO]

That doesn't make sense. Either you think Pasche is town posting and doesn't need your attention, in which case explain the townread, or you don't, in which case you should be trying to get a read.

R~

I'm not sure how many times I've said that I'm struggling to get anywhere on this super long d1, but in case you missed the many times I've banged my head against the wall, let me do it again.

Wall >>>> head >>>> BANG

Here's my position on pasch... he hasn't really posted anything that caught my eye, one way or the other. Yet he seems to be centre of attention. That, in my experience, suggests mislynch. It's a gut read. However, I don't trust my gut enough for me to want to slam the brakes on his lynch, other than to say that I haven't exactly got a boner for it.

Indifference. That's where I'm at right now.

[DOMO]

Of course it's ridiculous reasoning. This is literally the worst I've ever played as town on d1. I need to read the thread again because the last 30 pages I've basically scanned, looking for my name in a pathetic attempt to keep myself interested and vaguely up to date. But I can't be bothered to do that until we have some flips. Until then, I'll throw my vote around based on gut, and that post from wreck gave me a funny feeling, probably due to the fact I only remember scum doing it. And great you did it as town. Well hi5 to you for also being dumb.

Fine.

VOTE: mastin

She was my first gut scum read. Suits me fine.

[DOMO]

This is literally the worst I've ever played as town on d1

Inability just sounds like a nice excuse for scummy behavior. What did you do better the previous times you were town? Why are you not doing it here?

R~

I usually have confidence in my reads. Here I don't. I don't know why. Maybe because my interest is waning. But then again maybe the lack of interest is due to me not getting any solid reads. Feels like the chicken and the egg riddle.

Nice excuse for scummy behaviour? It's also a nice excuse for lazy town behaviour. What make you think my behaviour is scummy?

[DOMO]

I think it's a bt early in the game to be using language like "useless" against someone who is at least posting regularly. I'm not reading past pages until I have flips. That should be understandable. If I read up now, then I do so with less information, meaning the conclusions I draw are less reliable.

Do you think I actually planned to be lazy? Do you think that's how laziness works?

[DOMO]

You are making excuses for not forming reads you can be held accountable for, and swinging at low hanging fruit.

mastin is low hanging fruit?

[DOMO]

You're low hanging fruit?

[DOMO]

I'm dying to vote Pine, myself.

I hope he townies his ass up, and soon.

@Pine: I saw what you were capable of as a scum hunter, so now I'm spoiled and expect it all the time.

This feels really strange. Why would town say he hopes pine towns his ass up? Why would town want someone who looks scummy to stop being scummy? I think wreck had this very same thought process as he read back what he had posted... hence the explanation two minutes later.

This is really odd.

I found this while looking at wreck with pasch and shiny past post 506. I'm starting to agree with shiny that wreck's flip onto pasch is a huge red flag, and certainly wreck's inability to explain himself, along with these awkward posts I quote above, has me thinking that wreck would indeed be optimal lynch for today.

I'm sold.

VOTE: wreck

Why weren't you low hanging fruit when I was swinging for you earlier?

[DOMO]

Do show us where I said that

Well why suddenly am I swinging for low hanging fruit when I've been on your case most of the day? Why are you low hanging fruit? You're not going to go down quietly, you're hardly an easy wagon to push because you're gonna come back fighting. So I don't agree that you're low hanging fruit, whatever that means.

[DOMO]

it was a null read i was ok with lynching
i'm fine as long we don't lynch a townread

This is scumposting.

VOTE: Doubleslap

On this we agree.

VOTE: doubleslap

[DOMO]

thats quite obviously not scumposting

R~

So it's quite obviously townposting?

[DOMO]

Sup gif. Like a ray of light shining into a dark room.

I like that he points the finger at mastin, and her response is to say she doesn't like him. I'm now feeling good about mastin being scum. Personally I feel like gif's entrance is town as fuck, so mastin not liking him smacks of fear.

Anyway I'm away for the weekend, I should be back online tomorrow but just in case...

@mod - V/LA for 48 hours max, thank you

[DOMO]

I like that he points the finger at mastin, and her response is to say she doesn't like him. I'm now feeling good about mastin being scum.

The reason I'm not liking him is that every time I remember playing with town-GIF, he lurked and wallposted; the memory I have of GIF as scum was him spamposting as he is this game, in a bright, cheerful, borderline-cheeky manner.

Individually, I like his posts. His reads feel unique and driven by a town motive, thus why I am quelling the thoughts of this, but as a whole he feels fabricated.

In any of these games where you make this compaison, did he replace in? I would totally expect a dinstinctly different style, certainly to begin with, from people who sub in with plenty of content to respond to, compared to those who started.

Let's chat for a moment because Domo won't do it and I need one sane person in the game.

I don't even know why my interest is lacking in this game. Quite possibly for the same reason yours has been. I've found it hard to keep myself interested throughout this game day. I don't want to moan too much about peoples' styles though because I can have an abrasive style sometimes, as you well know, and it's d1 where information is at a minimum, so people have to generate information. Plus I think irl is having more of an impact on me, the last few weeks have been particularly stressful. But I've just spent the weekend with family, at the new family home, and I'm feeling refreshed and motivated in general. I'll come to life sooner or later.

[DOMO]

Oh yeah my vote is on doubleslap. I'm sure sure what I'm thinking there. Certainly I have less confidence in that read than mastin, and mastin is a wagon.

VOTE: masin

[DOMO]

sure sure

lol - no sure

[DOMO]

Now it's funny, I was starting to worry about farside but that wall made me feel somewhat better.

[DOMO]

prod dodge

lazy

[DOMO]

I think farside should tell pine why I'm town. I'm very much unconvinced by pine's sincerity, let's see how sincere farside is when evaluting my efforts so far.

[DOMO]

Why don't you tell me why you're Town, instead

I'm not trying to prove anything to you. You already know I'm town. I'm curious to see what farside thinks about what you said. She didn't mention it, even though she's posted. I would imagine farside can read me better than anyone else here. And likewise, I feel like I'm well positioned to get some kind of sincerity read off her.

So if you'll excuse me, I'm trying to figure out if farside is your buddy.

[DOMO]

I don't even know who I'm voting for. Probably mastin.

[DOMO]

Yeah ok, I think this makes it a three way tie.

VOTE: pine

[DOMO]

Well done for being obvtown already.

[DOMO]

When someone has to bold the word opportunism, they're being opportunistic. Do the maths.

[DOMO]

PE: First of all, you can't be opportunistic when there's no opportunity. There were zero votes on DOMO at the time. Second, buzzwords are only bad when they're used by themselves and not explained. I devoted an entire paragraph to that. DOMO is pretty clearly deflecting back here - every time he's attacked me, it has been after I levied suspicion against him, and then he conveniently forgets about me until next time it comes up. That's not Town chasing down a belief, that's scum discrediting a detractor

Just because you're starting a new wagon, doesn't mean it can't be opportunistic. If you're scum, then it's handy that you have what can be perceived as a legitimate reason to put your vote on someone who isn't getting lynched, either so you can make a late switch to influence the lynch, or perhaps sit back and keep it on me while avoiding the mislynch wagon. Your vote on me feels to me like you're moving pawns around.

I don't even know if my attacks at you have come after you swing for me. It wouldn't surprise me. I get reads out of the way people attack me. Notice that I was extremely quick to town a slot that I thought was scummy, based entirely off one sentence, pointing the finger at me. Therefore, your assertion that I'm trying to discredit a detractor lacks merit.

[DOMO]

Your going to have to explain where this comment came from and why since you've never said anything about me prior before I explain shit

I said I was starting to get nervous. Now that nervousness has evolved into paranoia. You're not your usual self here farside. Admittedly neither am I, but that doesn't mean I'm going to ignore my concerns about you. It's take you a long time to show the argumentative side of you, and when it emerged, it felt forced. What's more, when pine is taking a shot at me, you ignore it, depsite you being best positioned to read me. I know I'm a million miles away from my scum game. You're the only person I'd expect to really realise that. But you either haven't realised it, or you already know I'm town, and thus haven't been trying to figure me out.

[DOMO]

You want better then vote not mafia or explain why you won't.

I much prefer a pine lynch. NM is rom's replacement, I felt rom was lynchbait.

[DOMO]

sigh

[DOMO]

VOTE: Pine

Bye D1

Thank you.

[DOMO]

Yeah I'm thinking there has to be at least one between bulb and notmafia, assuming incoming townflip.

[DOMO]

Long explanation tells me he's scum. Town would just be all "fuck him it's policy", scum is more likely to use more words than necessary to get the point across.

Fuck pine. If he's a town PR, he shouldn't have disappeared at L-1. He knew he was getting wagonned. Hammer is fine. People are getting annoyed to the point of replacing out. We need this game to move on as a matter of urgency. bulba bitching about this feels like he's trying too hard to be town.

[DOMO]

Wreck hammering, I'm happy he did it. I'm not giving him town or scum points for it however. I'd have done it as either alignment if I wasn't already on the wagon. I was annoyed farside didn't hammer him to force end the day and give everyone some breathing space. In fact her not doing so could be important, especially if pine flips scum. Maybe farside didn't want to hammer a buddy and then replace out. But you'd think that as town farside would just end it and take the night.

[DOMO]

I'm glad I found some scum motivation in farside's ragequit because initially I thought it was a huge town tell and that annoyed me.

[DOMO]

Are you saying that you think town Farside would have hammered to end the day and hope Shiny was killed?

No, I'm saying that she'd surely at least consider hammering as a means of ending the day to sleep on it. This d1 has been tedious, but d2 comes with flips and new info. If I were considering replacing out as town, and someone was at L-1, I'd take the hammer first and replace out on d2 if I still wasn't happy.

[DOMO]

Same here. But by the looks of things pine won't flip scum, so most likely it was a town tell

R~

I guess so. But hammering town unclaimed and then replacing out might be a shit spot to leave a scum slot in.

idk I'd like farside's slot to emerge as a null read after new info is factored in, but if not, not much can be done now.

[DOMO]

So you basically said he's getting lynched definitely maybe.

Your thought process doesn't feel natural to me at all. Scum and town alike are glad this day is over. You're the only one pretending to be unhappy with the hammer. The pros outweigh the cons. What if he's scum? He's claims some shit and we scramble for another lynch. A claim is a disaster. I'd rather just blindly mislynch a PR and move on. This is why I think your position is fake. I'm past caring about the risks and want progress.

[DOMO]

Vote Total Wreck

@Farside: Why did you decide to remain in the game?

Also, Mastin is town.

This is an obvious fake crumb.

[DOMO]

Well you'd say that whatever your alignment. Furthermore, it's extremly suspicious that your reaction to my comment wasn't to immediately question my motive. It's rolefishy as hell. Why didn't that bother you?

[DOMO]

I don't see how that reaction from me is role fishing, or how your reaction should make me suspicious.

I'm saying that if you're a villager, you should consider my comments at you to be rolefishing. I'm not accusing you of rolefishing me. I'm saying that you should accuse me of rolefishing. But you're scum so it didn't occur to you.

[DOMO]

NM, why is mastin a scumread? She's practically claimed a town PR, and in the most sincerest of manners. Bitch is town. I was wrong.

[DOMO]

If anyone wants to do something fun, you can go through pasch's iso looking for places where he talks to pine, and compare that to how he talks to anyone else in the game.

I already did that through the night. I've basically poe'd bulba and pasch. I'm a lot more confident about bulba being scum though, and his posts today only reinforce that view.

[DOMO]

Oh yeah ofc, pine flipping scum means that farside can easily be scum. I'm prepared to totally dismiss the shiny kill as evidence against her because it's easy to argue she could be being framed. But farside replacing out rather than hammering scum looks bad.

If there's town between pasch and bulba, farside is next on the list imo.

[DOMO]

Actually thinking about it, the very fact I'm alive strongly suggests farside is town. I think of the three games I've played with farside recently, I've targetted her as a town PR twice. Point is, as scum she'd be very worried about me and I think would be much more inclined to play it safe and get rid of me, rather than take out the person who is annoying her.

I can buy that she just didn't want to hammer someone without a claim. It's just that I wouldn't have waited for a claim if I had the hammer vote because that day needed ending.

[DOMO]

How on earth is she null/town? She was a scumread of mine yesterday. Today she's the most towniest person I don't know the role of. If her way of fakeclaiming a town PR is to pretend to have been roleblocked right off the bat on d1, then she's very clever and deceiptful.

[DOMO]

Well if she's scum here's hoping she gets poe'd, because she's bottom of my shitlist.

[DOMO]

Not_Mafia is on point this game. Locked in IMO.

~ Block Head

I see no reason in NM's iso to clear him. He feels pretty null to me. His asking for consensus to hammer is weird. Wreck just did it without a care. So to town him as "on point" strikes me as odd.

[DOMO]

Still not a fan of not mafia. I find it odd he thinks bulba is scum but didn't vote him with the bw going.

Why is this scummy with NM? I'm doing exactly that... pushing bulba as my top scum read while holding my vote.

This is a really backhanded way to go modifying your opinion (based on "I am still alive") in a few minutes. Especially when the first part hinges on "farside replaced out rather than hammering [hindsight] confirmed scum."

This is a really backhanded way of casting suspicion at someone. Does scum say one thing and then change his mind a few minutes later? Only if he's trying to look town. You seem to be suggesting that someone changing their mind is scummy. It's not, rigid is scummy. If I'm scum, why would I find a reason to point the finger at farside, and then find reason to back away? With my first post, I've either found reason to push a mislynch, or found reason to bus a buddy. Either way, backing away makes no sense. The only thing that truly makes sense is that I'm town posting my thoughts as they come to me. Or wifom, like wreck is suggesting.