Mini 1626: Duck Tales Mafia (Game Over)

[Shiny Hydreigon]

VOTE: total wreck

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

no, you should have voted me in order to do it right

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

still wrong

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

scummy scum is scum

why'd you move from romitelli to mastin before getting an answer?

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

and you felt the need for a second RVS because..?

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

oh so you're admitting you're scum? ok

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

funny because i didnt really think you were being anti-town

but the fact you are trying to apologise for being anti-town means you thought you were anti-town, which means you are scum

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

Is R~ supposed to be your signature?

yup, im the right head of this hydra

aka the one who is right

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

check my meta.

you have no completed games

oh, you meant the meta of the head who is posting? then sign your posts

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

yeah. so, you dont know who i am if you're asking me to check your meta, do you?

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

VOTE: Total Wreck

Seems the scummiest out of the 5 people talking.

and why is that?

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

what's "fun"

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

what is scummy about domo and romitelli?

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

Also, if you don't care about the game, why play?

Come again? I missed you the first few times. I am in the process of rereading, I am current but I could not tell you what has happened thus far.

I do remember distinctly missing Titus though.

[Shiny Hydreigon]

~M^

[Shiny Hydreigon]

VOTE: kitty

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

so this game had me apathetic because i dont know most of the playerlist, and those that i do know i cant read reliably.

that said, i did read a bit more carefully now and my reads look like that:

town: {mastin, Paschendale, farside, Total Wreck, DOMO}
nulltown: {Doubleslap, Romitelli, Pine}
null: {Phidragon}
nullscum: {Aronis, Bulbazak}
scum: {KittyCupCake}

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

not rly

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

^ both town imo

house yes, bulba dont think so

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

what gives you that impression?

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

I really don't like this Kitty wagon.

either wking scum or partner
my gut says the former but that wont make me stop lynching kitty

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

bullshit

VOTE: bulbazak

youre right house lets just lynch bulba

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

@house or he just thought youre both town. just as possible

bulba pls hang

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

incoming more posts like the above where bulba tries to talk to people and look town

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

blah blah so fake

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

because you dont know him i guess

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

i can lynch aronis too

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

town Wisdom

such a thing doesnt exist

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

lel

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

Wisdom, if your other heads actually want to engage me to figure me out, or if you ever manage to get your head out of your butt, please let me know. In the meantime, please shut the heck up.

lol, hai.

wassup?

~L

[Shiny Hydreigon]

I could personally go for Wreck, and farside atm. maybe domo. thoughts?

~L

[Shiny Hydreigon]

can I ask that bulba is not given easy townreads? you guys dont know him and he will just skate by

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

aronis is still scum

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

also insert jackleberg to my townreads

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

i dont know how to interpret kitty's weird posting regarding who her buddy is. my immediate thought was "she is overexplaining because she felt she did something scummy and is worrying about how it looks" but then i dont know if scum would handle this that way and if they would even get in this discussion. im more unsure about her now in general.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

cases are for scum

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

note; when bulba flips scum, look at all those attempts to discredit my push on him

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

you dont make sense, mastin. Romi is town

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

Kitty's town. Simple.
{farside22, Aronis, Shiny Hydreigon, Eckleburg} might have one scum on it as a result.

If that's the case, then Aronis. But I'm not that sure she's town.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

Because that's L-2. So soon into the game.

Means nothing. There can be and have been fastwagons on scum.

Wagon speed is not alignment indicative.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

I can buy Pasch scum as well, especially together with Bulba

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

Replace all of your scumreads except Bulba with Aronis and Pasche, bring Kitty towards null, and we agree

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

sup domo

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

no beetlejuice man, I'm just always around

So.. sup?

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

different heads, different reads. You do know we're a hydra, yes?

That said, you can accuse me of changing my mind on Pasche.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

Ms Marangal = ~L
notscience = ~M~
Wisdom = R~

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

That's most likely not going to happen, so deal with it

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

Feel free to, expect me to scumread you for it if you're using it as an excuse to not scumhunt and/or discredit our opinions

~R

[Shiny Hydreigon]

how about you stop fluffing and move your vote to someone?

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

I'm pretty sure I'm within the top 3 most experienced players in this game.

It sure doesn't look that way, your posts remind me of how a newbie does things. Maybe it's because you're used to a different site meta.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

^so much scum

bulba/pasche/x

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

@domo You're under obligation to scumhunt. You made a bullshit push on mastin which you took back, then you made a bullshit push on me that you took back. Why exactly should I not assume you're just trying to find who is lynchable?

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

sure, who is x and y?

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

you may not like it, but at least I'm naming who i think is scum. You aren't even doing that.

So, again, why should I not think you're scum when you apparently don't care about finding scum?

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

i have. you pushed mastin, you backed off, you pushed me, you backed off. is that not accurate?

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

im not accusing you, i think youre town in fact. im just trying to get in your mind and understand how you think, so i can be sure.

the problem you have is you're translating "playstyle i dont understand/like" into "scum motivation". both your "cases" are just that. Consider different people have different ways of playing.

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pedit: @domo

oh ffs

[Shiny Hydreigon]

alright. help me flip bulba then

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

because wking

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

well not always, but most times yes. Depends on the circumstances

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

yeah domo, thats why it depends on the circumstances. In this case, the way it happened just made my mind jump immediately to scum WKing the probable lynch.

as for what you quoted, bulba is totally capable of saying such a thing as scum. like i said, if you just easily townread him off such things, he will skate by and win.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

In my experience, it's most often an accusation to discredit someone who is pointing out very obvious flaws in a person's case. "White knighting" someone usually translates to "pointing out why you're wrong" about that person.

because obviously thats what happened here.

defend your buddy moar

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

he is going to continue making posts that will make you think he's town tho

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

no, because hes scum. you just cant see it cuz you dont know how to see it

and then after he has flipped scum you have these wonderful reactions to my push from Pasche and Pine to tell you who the buddies are

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

yeh and dont expect it to, i dont make cases

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

anyhow, your vote on pine is good so whatevs. you'll see the light eventually

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

why are you criticizing my ways before seeing if they bring results? will i still be useless when bulba flips scum?

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

you think that i really have no reasons and im just putting random names into random piles?

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

alright.

some homework if you're up to it:

Here are two ISOs of two Bulba games:

Chain of Command

Playing Card

Read just a few D1 posts from each, and without spoiling yourself, tell me what you think Bulba is in each game.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

dont hope too much, i dont have anything. im just curious how accurate you will be

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

i love how you emphasize "town" players there.

each time you post you obvscum even more

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

lolwat i really hadnt even noticed that

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

dunno if your point applies but its interesting. ive played one more game with bulba-scum, ill go see if he was like that there too

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

but i dont think it does. the fact he was enthusiastic in one game does not mean that it defines his town game. play can depend on factors like mood and playerlist, after all.

the reason i gave you the games was because i expected youd struggle telling what he is in each game. he makes a lot of scummy looking posts as town and a lot of town looking posts as scum. so i wanted to prove my point that the fact you think one or more posts were town looking here means nothing for him.

but it amazes me you got them both correct and even found something that might be a tell for him

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

Push on Bulba feels off. I don't see much scumminess from Bulba, much less what Hydreigon is showing

I'm not seeing it. Disagreeing with you doesn't make someone scum. Now, if you have a point to make or a case on Bulba, please share it. Otherwise, if you're not going to do something constructive, just shut up and sheep the players who are.

Noting the two reactions to my Bulba push that I think are telling again. If Bulba is scum like he should, I feel at least one of those is scum with him. Pasche more likely than Pine, because Pine's post came right after my exchange with Bulba and I'm not sure if scum would dare to do that before seeing how town takes it: if town agreed, then Pine would look bad for doing this. Paschendale on the other hand is confident in doing it knowing that Pine has stated this and Kitty has agreed.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

don't like this post from pine at all

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

How in the world am I discrediting you?

i was talking about pine and Pasche trying to make it seem like I have nothing and shouldn't be sheeped

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

Aronis why are you always so scummy :/

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

What fluffy hydra nonsense? I was accused of posting contradicting things and I.explained they came from different heads. How is that fluff or nonsense?

It's actually scummy that you're trying to act as if my exchange with domo doesn't have telling things in it. But what's really scummy is that you're doing nothing and you're trying to act like you are.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

I'm trying to sort out the wagons and counterwagons.

Like, this here is only for appearances. Sort wagons and counterwagons in D1, without any flips? How?

No, you're feeling bad about lurking so you're trying to find excuses and show that you're doing something.

Meanwhile, you try to diminish the importance of my exchange with domo, so that people don't realize bulba is scum or that domo is town.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

The last time people whined about my activity, they were scum. Thank you for making me more confident

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

I'm still trying to sort through the wagon/counterwagon mess that started with the run-up of Kitty.

Sort what exactly? I love how you keep throwing these empty words around

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

I'm saying the quality of your posts and the quantity you make are incredibly annoying

If I annoy scum, it means I'm succeeding, cool

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

adding nothing you hadn't already said

Yeah its not like I explained your motivation or showed what was useful in my exchange with domo that you're trying to ignore

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

Wagons mean zero without flips.
Posts and motivations behind them though? Yeah. And there are plenty you can find in my exchange with domo. "But let's ignore that guys, it's useless and I will instead say I'm doing something that seems useful because I'm a good townie. Oh except I won't even do that.now, back to lurking"

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

Rom is town

Bulba/Pasche/x, with x being likely pine

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: mastin

I actually agree with Bulba in that post. There's no way you as town accept my scumread on Bulba so easily after witnessing Chain of Command.

I also got townvibes from that Bulba post in general, not interested anymore. Didn't say so and kept saying Bulba is scum because I wanted your reaction, and it's what I expected.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

Really? And where did you express that prior to my push?

Bullcrap.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

That's a null read.

You didn't scumread him before I made you think that I will be tunneling on him. And then you thought, it's time.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

the first quote is an attempt to make DOMO look worse, the second quote is an answer to a hypothetical question. So yeah, that's not suspicion.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

mastin the fact you're showing me null things and try to argue you were scumreading him is just making you seem worse. You'd be better off arguing that you saw my point and agreed, despite me being wrong in the past

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

you said nothing first. I was the first to push Bulba and you sheeped

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

Eckleberg is mainly gut, POE, and bad entrance.

And Romi/Bulb have both been explained. Basically, scum behavior all over the thread, plus scum-scum interactions--NOT defending to the point where they can't be buddies (as with Bulb'z WK of the Kitty wagon), but defending enough to shoot the wagon down.

Bullshit. Eckleberg entrance and post was just obvtown.

You never explained Romi, and you never will, because you can't. He's also obviously town.

Bulba you just sheeped me.

scum-scum interactions my ass. We don't have flips. And if you wanted to talk about that, Pasche and Pine make much more sense for this role for reasons already explained. But nothing, prolly because at least one of them is your buddy.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

I WAS ALREADY FUCKING SCUMREADING HIM.

yeah, with a null read

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

mastin/{pasch/pine}/x, where x is farside or someone

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

His posting was a cliched random vote opener.
He has not put in a morsel of effort into scumhunting.
His posting has all been incredibly forced attempts to blend in.
His SOLE contribution to the game was a push on Kitty...which was a CARBON FUCKING COPY of farside's own Kitty push.

Romi is scum.

all of these can easily come from town, especially the first one that supposedly gave you your confident scumread. Zillions of townies RVS the same way.
Zillions of townies can be apathetic and not scumhunt.
i havent seen any attempts to blend in, i have seen genuine, original opinions, such as 226. I also see him calling your read on him bullshit and challenging you to explain it. Scum don't fucking act that way, especially newbie ones.

Romi is town.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

FUJCK YOU, WISDOM.

I DID NOIT FUICKIN G SHEJEOP BULBASAK.

I amk VERY possessive of my fucking scumreads.

I am nnot afraid to humble it up and admit it when I've taken cues from others.
Credit goes where it's fucking duek.

BUT I ALSO.
FUCKING.
DON'T.
LET.
IT.
SLIDE.

When people tryh to fucking steal MY reads as if thehy're fucking dupilcate.s

I scufmread him FRIST.

Not you.


Nogt fuckin g you.

So go fuck yourslef.

this rage is so obviously fake that it's hilarious. you even misspelled words on purpose to make it look like you're keyboard mashing.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

I've known this from my very first fucking poost referencing him.

oh you mean that one where you called him null?

riiight

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

TEMM ME WHAT THEY FUCKING SAY.
TRULY.

ill "temm" you what they say. That you scumread Romitelli and Domo, while you nullread Bulba. If you scumreaded Bulba like you're claiming, he'd be there together with Rom and Domo, but he wasn't.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

I think I'm liking Shiny Hydra for scum.

He's more inquisitive as town and accusations as scum, from my experience.

oi
again, there's no town-Wisdom, dont even try. millions of people have fallen in the same trap only to realize im unreadable

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

house, how about you give us your opinion on what is happening instead? i actually dont like this dodge from you.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

mastin you're only making yourself look worse with these scum-scum tells without flips

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

"call me scum, dont call me a liar"

youre telling me you dont lie as scum..?

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

It's not just the action of wanting to know the scumread; it's the way they did it.

indeed, and the way they did it shows they're town

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

that you think you're making it better, when actually you're making it worse?

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: pasche

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

ugh fine. lets lynch pasche

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

mhm. So what are your reads on domo, Bulba, Mastin, Pasche and Pine based on what they posted since your last post?

Or are you telling me they posted nothing telling?

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

scum = bulba? so you think im buddies with bulba then?

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

and furthermore, if you think bulba is scum, what do you think of pasche's and pine's stance towards my bulba push?

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

mhm. and you're still not answring them.

its time for me to invoke meta and remember that town-house was much more cooperative.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

I think I'm liking Shiny Hydra for scum.

He's more inquisitive as town and accusations as scum, from my experience.

where does this come from?

wisdom may be main poster of the three of us, but hydra meta =/= individualheadmeta

~L

[Shiny Hydreigon]

I see no blackmail, anywhere.

yes, wisdom posts alot and is aggressive, sometimes needlessly, but it doesn't mean it's spam or bullying. There is content in each post

~L

[Shiny Hydreigon]

and, on another note, there have been alot of D1 lynches that weren't a shot in the dark and actual scum-hunting. But, if it is, why just do a random vote thing and not scum-hunt? what makes consecutive lynches more accurate the first?

~L

[Shiny Hydreigon]

house is scum

no way you're avoiding engaging with me and asking people to hop on my wagon. That's not town House.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

Unvote
Vote: Shiny Hydreigon

This is nothing more and nothing less than a policy vote. Players who bully and blackmail and spam have no place in a civilized game. They're either scum running amok or Town being counterproductive. As the first lynch is usually a shot in the dark anyway, I want to excise this tumor before it metastasizes

this is most likely scum as well

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

pasche/pine/TW? sounds about right

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

oh and why is that?

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

good, then stop being terrible and vote scum with me

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

The blackmail is emotional blackmail. "Agree with me or you're scum"

no, whoever disagrees with me and has valid reasons to do so I am ok with. whoever just tries to discredit me for the sake of it using my playstyle as an excuse however.. yeah

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

same goes for you, you dont know me.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

"sell a mislynch"

when did i vote you exactly?

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

oi house, remember how i kept saying id shoot you in the chairman thingy? dont always take me too seriously. mastin and domo have obvtowned, do you know who caused this?

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

instead of just saying youd vote him, guys, do vote him. maybe it will make him actually do something instead of lurking and trying to policy lynch.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: pine

though pasche is still scum.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

Kitty is still obvscum.

You're being so anti-town, scum is the only logical solution.

why is kitty obvscum? do you not find my scenario that she's playing weirdly because different site meta a possibility?

im not being anti-town at all. I have already made two people, domo and mastin, hard-out their motivations inthread so that I can read them. And to some extent, others too. What you don't understand is not scum.

what about bulbazak?

[Shiny Hydreigon]

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

^This. Hydreigon is being so grossly counterproductive

yeah no. im in fact the most productive player in this game so far.

Either way, the sooner the better. D1 is usually a shot in the dark, so it might as well be cutting out dead weight

D1 is never a shot in the dark. If you are town and actually believe that, you suck at this game.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

all the more reason to figure him out so he stops being a distraction

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

i dont get you, mastin. are you saying that no matter what he posts, it won't be telling?

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

No when you have scum, you lynch scum.

its not like i have a guilty on pasche. why exactly should i not try to explore my other scumreads?

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

there are no people whose posts are completely non-telling. if you find them non-telling, its because you havent figured how to read him.

anyhow, making him do things can't be bad for anyone. he should be pressured into doing so.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

What "steam"? Only mastin is voting pasche.

And do tell me why you are against someone who you have as null doing things. You should be with me on this.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

that sounded to me like you wanted him to vote me.

Now tell me how making Pine post is wasting time plz

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

So in other words you don't care about reading Pine.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

Why is pasche scum?

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

Why are you dodging, house? My question was simple.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

if you think my vote was naked, you havent been reading

but thats besides the point. you are apparently so certain about pasche being scum that you dont even care about having people like pine doing things. So I want to know where exactly this certainty comes from.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

and? that means pine can be ignored? this doesnt make sense from you when you have pine as null.

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pedit: why so hasty to lynch people, house? did you get reads on everyone else?

[Shiny Hydreigon]

mhm. So what are your reads on domo, Bulba, Mastin, Pasche and Pine based on what they posted since your last post?

Or are you telling me they posted nothing telling?

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Town scum town dunno

oi house
you called pasche "dunno" here.

talk to me about how you're so confident about him being scum plz

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

He can't explain away his refusal to lynch his scum buddy Pasch after calling him obvscum, so he tries to sell his shit vote as pressuring Pine when there is no need for it when we have scum in front of us.

oh do talk to me about where i refused to lynch him. where exactly am i calling him town or objecting to his wagon?

"we have scum in front of us", yet last time you gave a read on him it was "dunno".

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

Also do explain how "there is no need to pressure Pine" when you have admitted to having no read on him

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

Pasche posted twice since you called him "dunno", 525 and 565.

I'm waiting to hear what in his posts made you so sure he is scum.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

nobody is spamming the thread, im getting reads. stop misrepping my play and start doing things already

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

i mean if you have the time to whine about my activity or to make excuses about you being absent, you also have time to comment on one or two things that are happening.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

kitty what do you think of TW going from Pasche-null to Pasche-obvscum?

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

and in general everyone should be commenting on that

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

[
It's not unusual for me to go from not having an opinion to having one later on

sure, but this didnt explain what exactly changed your mind. stop dodging.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

kitty what do you think of TW going from Pasche-null to Pasche-obvscum?

I think he was a little slow in getting that read. Otherwise, there isn't much to say until he answers the question you posed him regarding it.

do you find it normal for him going from "dunno" to "obvious scum" the way it happened? im only asking because you kept TW in your townreads, so it didnt seem to bother you at all.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

VOTE: Total Wreck

ok. I want everyone, especially the ones townreading TW, to comment on him dodging this question.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

kitty, no offense, but i feel you havent read the exchange properly. did you see how strongly TW was talking about pasche being scum? no matter what player anyone is, this is not explainable. and this is why he's not explaining it.

also romi is not scum. stop tunneling and look at other players.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

He didn't? Oh? Where did he explain the read switch then? Please quote.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

how is it town behavior?

how does one go from "dunno" to "when pasche flips scum we're lynching shiny hydreigon" and all the other posts he made about pasche being scum?

why can he not explain the switch if he is town?

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

Pasche posted twice since you called him "dunno", 525 and 565.

I'm waiting to hear what in his posts made you so sure he is scum.

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I have a job. I'm not able to sit here and cogitate on this game day in and day out.

It's not unusual for me to go from not having an opinion to having one later on, because this shit is not my entire life.

Sorry for blowing your implication out of the water though, scum.

Quoted

This is not an unreasonable switch when you've shat out pages about the topic. What new would you like?

This did not explain what made him change his opinion. This is a dodge.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

Enjoy eating your time.

That you choose to stall when Pasche wagon starts picking up steam is also telling.

When Pasche flips scum, I'm tunneling the shit out of Shiny.

I'm looking forward to an explanation for your naked vote on Pasche.

Mastin might let you slide for that, but I'd love to hear a non-scum motive for all the waffling.

Right now, the naked vote and simple "Pasche is still scum tho" statement reeks of distancing.

bulba last post made me less sure he's scum. Let him be until we see more.
Wreck is not town.
Pine is prolly still scum, but I want to see more.

Therefore, vote wreck.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

oops those quotes werent supposed to be there

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

how can one think that this pasche push that came out of nowhere and continues to be unexplained comes from town? i feel you guys didnt read what happened

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

bulba's reaction to me is really odd. Put yourself in the position of town who is being accused of an activity of the type I accused bulba of. You're town who knows I'm wrong, so how do you react? Are you fucking kidding me, what the fuck is this, something like that. Not to formally explain yourself without even the slightest hint of suspicion about my motivation for attacking. I don not think his reaction to me was that of a townie.

its a mistake to expect certain things from people. different people play differently. and i already told you town-bulba isnt the most townie player you'll see.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

My problem is not with TW's playstyle, Kitty. My problem is that there's no fucking way to scumread Pasche so strongly off these two posts. And we're not just talking "I think he is scum", we're talking "Pashe is obvscum and SW are also scum for trying to

waste time

reading Pine instead of lynching him". And that when Pine was ALSO a null read of his.

Seriously, explain to me a town thought process that does all of what TW did.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

And that's not even all. There have been two instances where TW completely misrepped me. He claimed in 541 that I was lying about his meta in order to mislynch him, when I wasn't even voting him or asking anyone to vote him. And then we have him claiming in 595 that I am refusing to lynch Pasche, when I nowhere stated that I have stopped scumreading him and when I nowhere asked anyone to stop voting/wagoning/scumreading Pasche.

It looks like he is searching for excuses to push me all the time. This is why I interpret his sudden Pasche scumread as one more attempt to push me, he was linking me with Pasche after all.

And then he confirms my thoughts that such a scumread isn't possible by failing to explain it and giving ridiculous excuses.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

Maybe I haven't read it properly. I have a bad habit of scanning on d1 because it's mostly fluff.

im pretty sure thats the case, and not just for you.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

He calls him "dunno" in506 following my question.

Read his ISO (or even better, his exchange with me) past 506.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

no shit, see 640. this is exactly why i thought this push made you scum.

"defending him", huh? Please show us where I defended him then, you didn't when I asked you to the first time

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

that didnt make any sense. I had been scumreading Pasche way before I asked you what your read on him is and you said "dunno". I had reasons to scumread him. What reasons did you have?

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

so come on house, show us where I defended Pasche as you claimed, it cant be that hard

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

Thought so

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

So entertain me Pine/Kitty/whoever. Is this not SW making a baseless accusation he can't back up? If your answer again is "he can, he just doesn't want to", then find me yourself a post where I defend Pasche even slightly and I'll consider you being right.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

TW* that is

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

If you want to know something, all you have to do is ask.

i lold

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

domo please ask him to quote where i defended pasche since "all you have to do is ask"

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

ok, new questions for him - a) where did I discredit anyone who reads Pasche as scum (with quotes), b) why shouldn't I try to figure out "D1 enigmas", and c) Since when having a scumread means I'm ready to end the day without attempting to read anyone else.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

dw, we always die N1

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

oh hey, new question for TW: I hard scumread Bulba and Mastin and hopped off them too, are they my buddies as well?

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

oh and Kitty too

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

ask him my questions plz domo

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

Pine was also a scumread.

Also, more questions you dodged.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

a) where did I discredit anyone who reads Pasche as scum (with quotes), b) why shouldn't I try to figure out "D1 enigmas", and c) Since when having a scumread means I'm ready to end the day without attempting to read anyone else.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

But how can you be so sure? I'm engaging now with someone I think is scum, because, well maybe I'm wrong.

and you dodged this as well

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

oh please domo make him answer this is ridiculous

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

my willingness to answer questions

he is trolling at this point

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

he has completely lost interest in my Pasch read?

you already confirmed to me that you pushed Pasche only as an excuse to push me, so I don't need further answers regarding that

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

oh do tell us where i misrepped you

oh wait you wont

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

which is why people did push me when my playstyle made them think i would be an easy mislynch. but now? scum are not crazy to push me, im obvtown at this point. and im sure you'll never make the mistake of pushing me again in the future

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

threats..? I was simply referring to the fact you're never going to push me as scum in any future game

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

oh im pretty sure you won't do that again, you've now learned wisdom is not lynchable

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

except im obviously not, so yeah

i am a little sad you're so obvious as scum, i expected you to be better

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

they're also not scumtells, its the motivation that counts

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

I didn't abandon shit, mate. I stated it clearly that I still think Pasche is scum. Switching to explore another scumread doesn't mean that I am abandoning this wagon and I will never re-join it.

And my "excuse" is something that you should be understanding and supporting me on, given your Pine read and posts regarding Pine. It doesn't even remotely make sense to find it an "excuse".

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

Btw, for the meta-oriented folks:

ns pointed me to this game (it's completed, despite the mod not having updated the title), where I find that House-scum is having more or less the same behavior as this game. See his push on Oka in particular.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

sure you are..

this reminds me of yet another house-scum game where he did the same

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

Stupidity because I correctly caught you?

I don't doubt you may do the same as town, but in this case, like in that case, you're doing it for AtE.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

I'm not reaching, everything I've said is valid and you haven't even attempted showing otherwise. You resorted to ignoring me when you saw yiu couldn't.

As for why I'm continuing this, it's my policy not to let scum have the last word. I don't want you convincing anyone there might be a chance you're town.

Btw the correctly caught was referring to the other game, but whatevs

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

we are not fucking lost townies. he is scum. stop assuming that's the case, stop wanting him to be town, and read the game properly.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

You're doing the exact same thing with him!

seriously? read the fucking game, he has been looking for reasons to push me for the whole fucking game. Is that what I have been doing? Have I focused on him all game?

You have fucking confbias that I am wrongly tunneling on him and refuse to listen to reason when you have not even read the game properly.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

and no our playstyles don't fucking clash. We have played together again. Twice. It's not our first time together.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

i am completely relaxed and in no need of any perspective.

You

need to lose your town-tunnel and read what happened instead of assuming it's tvt.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

@TW: I know.

Seriously? You

know

? Show me where I refused to lynch Pasche or otherwise defended Pasche like he's claiming.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

So, other than Kitty and TW wanting to vote me because I went after them (which they will deny, but will offer nothing besides my attacks on them for evidence), anyone got anything useful to say? How about the blabbermouths shut the hell up for a little while and let Doubleslap, Farside, Romitelli, and Aronis put out a few thoughts. Or we can just waste more time and energy while a few loud players scream at each other and yet manage to say very little except about their own egos.

very little. Because TW claiming scum and me pointing it out is very little. Right, you're scum, thanks for reminding me.

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

i am completely relaxed and in no need of any perspective.

You

need to lose your town-tunnel and read what happened instead of assuming it's tvt.

I saw what happened. You were scumreading pasch. TW started scumreading pasch. You wondered why. TW isn't big on explanations. TW wondered why you weren't voting for pasch. And endless loop of miscommunication and chaos ensued.

no, thats not what happened. Thanks for confirming you haven't read shit

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

why cant i have a fucking dayvig

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

yep, the buddy that isnt even in any danger

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[Shiny Hydreigon]

He got a scumread on pasch, wanted you to back up your scumread on pasch by voting with him, and instead you attacked him for his sudden read change.

thats not what fucking happened ffs

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