Mini 1626: Duck Tales Mafia (Game Over)

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Town folk, please open the spoilered text at the bottom of this post.

Scum brethren/sist...ren... I would like to conspire privately with town members only, so I will ask you to resist the urge to eavesdrop on what I have to say to the townfolk. As you are ethical, moral criminals, I am sure that you can be trusted to honor our privacy.

Spoiler: TOWN EYES ONLY

It has occurred to me that there is probably one scum in {mastin/KCC}, but likely for reasons other than what some folks may already suspect.

Please pretend for the next 5 minutes that you town read me, even if you don't.

It's for a good cause!

Being the highly chaotic & anti-town player that I am, I have received a lot of support from people that don't really know me. Perhaps I should shut up and be grateful (and I am!), but I'm not one that knows how to shut up.

mastin's support is coming from a townie motivation. She's not stirring the pot. She's simply stating a read that is contrary to the narrative that a couple players are/were trying to create. She's leaving me to fight my own battles and create my own destiny, as it were... as any good townie should.

KittyCupCake, on the other hand, appears (to me) to have scum motivation in her staunch defense of me.
KCC has done far more than disagree with those who scumread me. She has been my shield and mouthpiece for days. She appears to have a vested interest in:

1) Keeping me alive because I create a chaotic environment which makes it easier for scum to relax/hide.
2) Building towncred she can cash in on after I flip.

I mean sure, mastin has made a few posts in defense of me, but KCC has taken on all my battles, intercepting Shiny Hydra's questions & accusations. I'm kinda surprised that Wisdom didn't seem to notice the blatant White Knighting.

If there is discord on a Pasch wagon, I'd be 100% behind a KCC lynch now.

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Also, I'm not interested in a Pine lynch before D3 at the earliest.

He does his best work on wagon & vote count analyses, which we won't have much to work with until then.

If he's not contributing Pine-quality analyses by D3, I'm down for feeding him rope.

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Total Wreck - yeah. Fuck townies who play like House is and make me endlessly tunnel, if that happens to be the case.

Relax Wisdom, it's a D1 thing with me.

I get frustrated because there's nothing much to go on and raise a bit of hell, then start settling down D2/D3 when content starts getting created that I can get into.

Refer to http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=59204

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Still. Think from a scum-Kitty perspective. Would she risk the danger of disagreeing with me and drawing my anger, all when I was making it obvious that I was thinking she is town, and thus destroy my read on her? Just after she has seen what happens when I scumread someone?

I don't think so. There's not much to win, there's a ton to lose.

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Not really much to lose. All she'd have to do is let me get lynched, and she'd look righteous while you'd have town blood on your hands. Or NK me, and she could preach all about how she told you so.

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I've been there since game start for reasons he admits can come from town.

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Not really much to lose. All she'd have to do is let me get lynched, and she'd look righteous while you'd have town blood on your hands. Or NK me, and she could preach all about how she told you so.

Agreed. So why work against that by actively trying to undermine my points against you and therefore make your lynch less likely to happen?

I understand why you're getting paranoid, but she's town.

R~

For the very thing you're giving her. Town cred.

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Also, I've been paranoid for a while, just didn't feel like pointing it out because I'd be stuck dealing with you.

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All your scumreads have low activity. I highly doubt that's right.

^ Scum has a point.

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Actually, that was pretty town posting from Aronis. He's much more obvious as scum.

You just really don't understand my game do you? Why do you even bother trying to read me?

I've been meaning to ask... is this a confession?

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Pasche is prob town at this point.

Wisdom, If you lynch kitty today, I'll lynch any townie you want tomorrow, provided they don't claim to be a PR.

Serious slip is serious, lol.

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Wisdom, If you lynch kitty today, I'll lynch any townie you want tomorrow, provided they don't claim to be a PR.

Townie?

I doubt he'd bus on Day 2, especially after you'd flip scum.

And apparently he even

meant

townie. I has a sad.

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For the very thing you're giving her. Town cred.

lol no. For that she would have to look into the future and predict I'd stop scumreading you. Which even I wouldn't predict, much less someone who doesn't know me.

Unless what you're trying to say is, she tried to buddy me by helping me out of my tunnel? In which case, no, because calling me a hypocrite and focusing on me explaining my Pasche read is not a great way to buddy.

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She wouldn't have to predict any such thing. She could also expect my death & flip, which could quite easily be arranged via either day or night actions.

This isn't about you, Wisdom. That's what I'm trying to get you to understand. She was working on outmaneuvering you, not buddying you.

After building town cred and cashing in on my death when you had worked so hard to sell TW!scum, she'd come out smelling like a rose and people would start questioning

your

alignment.

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Well I certainly can't argue with that.

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Now that I've baited Wisdom into admitting that he's annoying, I can go to sleep.

Good night, all!

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Fuck it...

KCC, can I put you on retainer?

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Has anyone actually ever seen a dayvig on d1 that wasn't a gambit?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p6314951

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Alright maybe next time I say "what kind of moron uses a dayvig on d1?".

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p6314951

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@Wisdom: Notice how he all of a sudden wants to stir the pot now that you aren't doing it for him?

I agree, if his read was sincere, he'd have been supporting you and it would have been more like 2v2 (you and Pasch vs me and Kitty) than 1v1(2).

Pasch is being a sport by building his case now that he's being wagoned.

Sigh, I should just rep in with my main.

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Really? I'm not allowed to have a tipping point?

Only if it's a 40.

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Well isn't this interesting.

Welcome, NM. How does it feel replacing into a scum slot?

Sorry about the red role pm.

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I still find your attitude to be quite likeable, even if you do hate me for God only knows why.

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Is the Pasch wagon legit or is it the typical opportunistic wagon on town Pasch? Mastin is leading it, so one of them is likely scum.

That's the question, isn't it?

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Really? I'm not allowed to have a tipping point?

Only if it's a 40.

This idiot.

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I see. Well I don't hate you or anyone else here. Who are the hydras and who are the known members of them?

Aside from me, there is Doubleslap with Marquis and <somebody>.

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I think.

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Dammit, I hate feeling like Pine is scum.

I was so impressed with his town game in our last game together that I had to NK him before he up and got me lynched.

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And then theres us

R~

You... y'all are something else.

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I liked it more when people didn't know who R is :/

R~

Sup being so obvious, then.

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Stop, even.

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2 of my scum reads on my wagon.

Must be doing something right.

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Town folk, please open the spoilered text at the bottom of this post.

Scum brethren/sist...ren... I would like to conspire privately with town members only, so I will ask you to resist the urge to eavesdrop on what I have to say to the townfolk. As you are ethical, moral criminals, I am sure that you can be trusted to honor our privacy.

Spoiler: TOWN EYES ONLY

It has occurred to me that there is probably one scum in {mastin/KCC}, but likely for reasons other than what some folks may already suspect.

Please pretend for the next 5 minutes that you town read me, even if you don't.

It's for a good cause!

Being the highly chaotic & anti-town player that I am, I have received a lot of support from people that don't really know me. Perhaps I should shut up and be grateful (and I am!), but I'm not one that knows how to shut up.

mastin's support is coming from a townie motivation. She's not stirring the pot. She's simply stating a read that is contrary to the narrative that a couple players are/were trying to create. She's leaving me to fight my own battles and create my own destiny, as it were... as any good townie should.

KittyCupCake, on the other hand, appears (to me) to have scum motivation in her staunch defense of me.
KCC has done far more than disagree with those who scumread me. She has been my shield and mouthpiece for days. She appears to have a vested interest in:

1) Keeping me alive because I create a chaotic environment which makes it easier for scum to relax/hide.
2) Building towncred she can cash in on after I flip.

I mean sure, mastin has made a few posts in defense of me, but KCC has taken on all my battles, intercepting Shiny Hydra's questions & accusations. I'm kinda surprised that Wisdom didn't seem to notice the blatant White Knighting.

If there is discord on a Pasch wagon, I'd be 100% behind a KCC lynch now.

Bulb didn't read the spoilered text. He must be scum!

Ultimate scum hunting.

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You think I'm going to try to lynch Wisdom?

You are hystericlops.

Keep up with current events, would ya?

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TL;DR> Pasch is now a policy lynch.

That about right?

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I will say, however, that Bulb's senseless tirade feels town.

Expending such effort to link us together wouldn't benefit scum at all unless the first one lynched was a bus, and that would be a ridiculous amount to sacrifice for little old me.

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Time for me to bus my scum mate

VOTE: mastin2

Sorry mate, we had a good run.

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You don't care if we lynch town? Like, you feel he's lynchbait yet are okay with it? How does that work?

R~

Pedit: what more does he need to do to scum it up? He's already being as scummy as one can get.

Yes I care if we lynch town. But I would prefer a mislynch to a no lynch. And "scummy as one can get" is a matter of opinion, and it seems our opinions differ.

Wall of self meta.

I am in awe of your amazing deductive skills.

I feel like you just did some magic. I was looking at your left hand while your right hand did the trick.

As for wreck saying he's bussing his buddy mastin... well aside from the fact that it's specifically against the rules to claim scum with someone else, even as a joke, as stated in OP, which I've read now, I've only ever ONCE seen someone say something along those lines, and guess what, it was scum bussing a buddy.

VOTE: wreck

Happy to lynch mastin too. I guess I prefer wreck because I think mastin is the greater loss when town.

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You don't care if we lynch town? Like, you feel he's lynchbait yet are okay with it? How does that work?

R~

Pedit: what more does he need to do to scum it up? He's already being as scummy as one can get.

Yes I care if we lynch town. But I would prefer a mislynch to a no lynch. And "scummy as one can get" is a matter of opinion, and it seems our opinions differ.

Wall of self meta.

I feel like you just did some magic. I was looking at your left hand while your right hand did the trick.

As for wreck saying he's bussing his buddy mastin... well aside from the fact that it's specifically against the rules to claim scum with someone else, even as a joke, as stated in OP, which I've read now, I've only ever ONCE seen someone say something along those lines, and guess what, it was scum bussing a buddy.

VOTE: wreck

Happy to lynch mastin too. I guess I prefer wreck because I think mastin is the greater loss when town.

I am in awe of your amazing deductive skills.

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I think it's a bt early in the game to be using language like "useless" against someone who is at least posting regularly. I'm not reading past pages until I have flips. That should be understandable. If I read up now, then I do so with less information, meaning the conclusions I draw are less reliable.

Do you think I actually planned to be lazy? Do you think that's how laziness works?

They're more reliable than basing your reads on absolutely nothing.

More information is never a bad thing.

You are making excuses for not forming reads you can be held accountable for, and swinging at low hanging fruit.

VOTE: DOMO

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You don't care if we lynch town? Like, you feel he's lynchbait yet are okay with it? How does that work?

R~

Pedit: what more does he need to do to scum it up? He's already being as scummy as one can get.

Yes I care if we lynch town. But I would prefer a mislynch to a no lynch. And "scummy as one can get" is a matter of opinion, and it seems our opinions differ.

Wall of self meta.

I feel like you just did some magic. I was looking at your left hand while your right hand did the trick.

As for wreck saying he's bussing his buddy mastin... well aside from the fact that it's specifically against the rules to claim scum with someone else, even as a joke, as stated in OP, which I've read now, I've only ever ONCE seen someone say something along those lines, and guess what, it was scum bussing a buddy.

VOTE: wreck

Happy to lynch mastin too. I guess I prefer wreck because I think mastin is the greater loss when town.

This is a mastin vote?

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he changed it to mastin

R~

Only after you called him out on it, so my point remains.

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Do show us where I said that

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Rumia x Cirno replaces DrTJEckleburg. This is effective immediately.

Welcome!

Well... This game just got a bit more interesting...

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Kill: Bulbazak

So you don't scum read Bulbazak, you just want to kill someone you think is town?

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Do show us where I said that

Well why suddenly am I swinging for low hanging fruit when I've been on your case most of the day? Why are you low hanging fruit? You're not going to go down quietly, you're hardly an easy wagon to push because you're gonna come back fighting. So I don't agree that you're low hanging fruit, whatever that means.

Of course I'm low hanging fruit.

I'm an obvious target due to my anti-town tendencies as either alignment.

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it was a null read i was ok with lynching
i'm fine as long we don't lynch a townread

This is scumposting.

VOTE: Doubleslap

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thats quite obviously not scumposting

R~

It quite obviously is.

Lynching "null reads" = pro scum

And who would admit to wanting to lynch town? Of course scum is going to make a show of defending their "town reads".

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and i'd be kinda ok? maybe? with a mastin lynch but i'd still prefer to lynch a simultaneous scumread + if town maybe it's ok because bad read on me. mastin is more just "i'd think she has bad reads as of late but she's townreading me so hmmm"
seo and i both lolwtfed at the rage posting and its discussion/argument over legitimacy tho

Considering you think I'm scum, you can understand why I don't lend your reads much weight.

VOTE: mastin

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I've been wanting Bulb dead for decades.

VOTE: Bulbazak

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GuyInFreezer Rumia x Cirno DrTJEckleburg* Phidragon - town

What's your case?

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I'm town because my rule pm says so.

Refute THAT.

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rule = role, ofc.

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Apparently this game comes complete with ad time.

Is there a commercial free version?

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reading
marquis is watching agents of shield
also he is rly sure that tw is scum "cus of other games" but no other explanation

Translation: He wants to kill me because I was a jerk after I end-gamed him.

I can't blame him. I WAS a jerk, though it wasn't my intent. Some things are better said in person because they don't translate well in text.

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Content

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scum reads dont have to be explained, nor understood. She scumreads bulba, and thats it.

If you can't justify a scumread, I have no reason whatsoever to think that you aren't lying about it. If I think you're lying about it, I certainly won't vote along with you, and will vote for you instead. If you don't justify a read, there's no reason to think you're right, and no one should vote along with you, and so you aren't actually pushing to get your suspects lynched. That means you aren't actually trying to help town win the game. Therefore, you're scum and should be lynched. Don't like it? Then justify your fucking positions.

Good luck getting through to him on that.

Seriously.

I've said pretty much the same thing in the past. He shrugs it off...

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scum reads dont have to be explained, nor understood. She scumreads bulba, and thats it.

R~

Except Mastin-town is more than capable of explaining her reads. She thrives off of manipulating people as scum, so not holding her accountable is giving her free reign. Frankly, Mastin

should

be held to a higher standard than most players, because she is that good as scum, and you don't want to give her any wiggle room.

farside is scum just so you guys know

R~

No she's not. What happened to that Mastin scum read?

scum reads dont have to be explained, nor understood. She scumreads bulba, and thats it.

If you can't justify a scumread, I have no reason whatsoever to think that you aren't lying about it. If I think you're lying about it, I certainly won't vote along with you, and will vote for you instead. If you don't justify a read, there's no reason to think you're right, and no one should vote along with you, and so you aren't actually pushing to get your suspects lynched. That means you aren't actually trying to help town win the game. Therefore, you're scum and should be lynched. Don't like it? Then justify your fucking positions.

Good luck getting through to him on that.

Seriously.

I've said pretty much the same thing in the past. He shrugs it off...

Aren't you scum reading Pasch?

How is that in any way relevant to my response to him?

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Can I put wisdom ignore for being a hypocrite?


Seriously.


I want to replace out for his attitude alone.

hypocrisy is a thing you deal with in mafia, period.

lack of emotion in our last game makes me feel a little better about you, but not by a whole lot. emotions aside, your play feels nearly exactly like the last game we played, and the things that make me want to call you town this game are the same reasons I used last game and it scares me.

your logic is sound, but it lacks analysis and, from the kind of player I think you are, that is kinda underbearing

pedit: mastin's a she

It's still very hard for me to remember that ;_;

Seems like a he from GTKAS.

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scum reads dont have to be explained, nor understood. She scumreads bulba, and thats it.

If you can't justify a scumread, I have no reason whatsoever to think that you aren't lying about it. If I think you're lying about it, I certainly won't vote along with you, and will vote for you instead. If you don't justify a read, there's no reason to think you're right, and no one should vote along with you, and so you aren't actually pushing to get your suspects lynched. That means you aren't actually trying to help town win the game. Therefore, you're scum and should be lynched. Don't like it? Then justify your fucking positions.

Good luck getting through to him on that.

Seriously.

I've said pretty much the same thing in the past. He shrugs it off...

Aren't you scum reading Pasch?

How is that in any way relevant to my response to him?

Because it looks like you're treating him as town.

Uh, no? I'm treating him as a person. Scum our not, I took his statement and responded to it on its own merits.

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So, I'm just going to sit here, quietly, hating the mastin wagon.

Convincing post is convincing.

UNVOTE:

Will BBL to figure out where that belongs.

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I'm not voting Pine D1 outside of a confession.

I'm still feeling a Pasch or Bulba lynch.

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Because I don't suck at this game. My near-total absence and lack of contribution is a sign of being busy, you knob. House wants actual input of the caliber I'm capable of before he makes a decision

He's actually said this several times, but because it didn't come out of your gibbering hole, you didn't pay attention

For the record, it was Mara that was pissed at my refusal to vote for you.

Not Wisdom.

Yeah... surprised me too.

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Damn, I'm busted.

NM has me dead to rights.

I confess, I've done nothing lately. String me up.

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Oh right, meant to get back with a vote.

VOTE: Bulbazak

Later all.

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Please don't extend the deadline, a rep can catch up at night.

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We have no idea what is happening, but based on the last 6 posts, we assume that this is scum v scum.

Wisdom, is that you?

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VOTE: TotalWreck

0 effort, House has his demeanor and it's not alignment indicative but he hasn't even attempted to do anything so far

So, that has to be the most ironic vote in the entire game.

If effort is alignment indicative, as NM seems to believe...

VOTE: Not_Mafia

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House

That's the first 10 pages, will be Saturday before I can continue acting up,

You have time to gripe about my vote, though.

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VOTE: Pine

Bye D1

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The quickhammer is anti-town no matter what Pine flips, and it's mainly a matter of policy. However, given that this game has plurality, what town motivation was there for TW to hammer? Pine was getting lynched regardless at that moment. As town he should have been trying to get a claim and final reads so that we'd either avoid a mislynch or go into the next day with the most information possible. If Pine is town, TW-scum cuts off this line of information. If Pine is scum, then TW-scum prevents him from giving away the rest of the scum team.

1) If Pine was going to be lynched regardless, my hammer was a null at worst.
2) If Pine was going to be lynched regardless, how would we have avoided a mislynch, exactly?
3) I admit I had no town motivation for hammering Pine. My motivation was, "This day had lasted too damned long!" We've already had multiple replacements due to the sluggish pace, the show must go on.
4) Fucking lynch me then, IDGAF anymore.

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The mod was also replacing Farside. We had plenty of time for a claim.

Yeah, that's kinda the problem. We had nothing BUT time.

Enough!

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How do you know Pine was going to be lynched regardless? How do you know he wasn't going to claim something that would have stopped his lynch?

You said it champ, not me

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And frankly, I'm past the point of caring if he would have claimed a PR.

Good job, scum. Apathy levels are at critical mass.

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Choo Choo!

VOTE: Bubble Sack

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Actually thinking about it, the very fact I'm alive strongly suggests farside is town. I think of the three games I've played with farside recently, I've targetted her as a town PR twice. Point is, as scum she'd be very worried about me and I think would be much more inclined to play it safe and get rid of me, rather than take out the person who is annoying her.

WIFOM, yo.

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Indeed. That's why it felt town motivated at the time, it seemed unnecessary for scum to wade in so quickly. But now it feels dodgy du to pine's flip.

I don't even know if I think you're scummy. You're currently in a pool of five

This seems like a rather forced conclusion, then, since you're wishy washy back and forth and admittedly don't have a strong reason to suspect that slot. You were so much more on point yesterday, Domo. What changed?

It bothers me that I actually agree with Pasch.

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tl;dr You kept asking people WHY they were wagoning DOMO, but you didn't really defend DOMO's play itself.

Um, that tl;dr sounds like town play, to me.

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It bothers me that I actually agree with Pasch.

It bothers me too. I was on point yesterday? Relating to who? How does pasch know?

Let's assess my d1 performance... first of all I'm swinging for mastin, who now looks like a town PR. Next up is shiny, who is now conf town. Then when I slap a pine vote down, I town bulba, who now looks super scummy. Now there's the bit where I metadive bulba and conclude he's scum. Hmm I'm right about bulba one way ro the other, seeing as I call him scum and town. Continuing, my read on bulba develops into a fully fledged scumread. Then I vote wreck, who feels town to me, despite him suddenly finding my suspect. Next up is aronis, who is now PN, who is starting to feel town. Then there's my faggot dayvig gambit, which was me trolling. Hmm reading my aronis case at #1101 has me worried about PN again. The I jump on pasch himself, despite having not scumread him, based on what I thought was deadline panic. Then back on aronis, then wreck, then mastin, then doubleslap, back to mastin, then finally I'm onto pine and stay there.

Basically my d1 was spazzy as fuck. I probably managed to vote the entire scumteam by throwing my vote around so casually.

I do not consider my d1 play to be "on point", in fact I felt like throughout most of the day I was basically trying to keep myself up to date. On the other hand, I feel like today I have launched myself out of the blocks, intent on being more productive.

wreck agreeing with pasch is weird, but I don't think wreck is scum, I think pasch is scum and wreck is derping.

I understand your confusion.

I interpreted on point as pinging town, not accurate reads.

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I strongly believe my #655 is a smoking gun case on wreck, taking into account pine flipping scum. He absolutely dropped the ball there. He basically admits that he's gonna bus pine if he doesn't town it up. I don't see why town would want someone scummy to town it up. wreck quickly realised he fucked up and posted a response. But notice it took him two minutes to write that one sentence. Two minutes? Nah he had to think of something.

wreck is scum, all day long. Pine flip confirms it.

VOTE: wreck

Idk if you are paranoid or manipulative, but either way you are wrong.

My post to pine read as familiar because we just finished another game together where he kicked ass and I was trying to motivate him to get his ass in gear and play like he did there.

When he didn't, I sent him packing.

If you are town, use your head. If you just want to sell a mislynch, find a better premise.

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I'm dying to vote Pine, myself.

I hope he townies his ass up, and soon.

Town does not say this. Ever.

Case closed.

That's obviously untrue.

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If somehow you are town, well you need to die while we're comfortable because you're a massive liability in late game, and potentially a magnet for multiple PRs.

Now there is a reason I can buy for lynching me.

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VOTE: doubleslap

mastin, it's house
he likes to see how far he can push it and be reckless like that as scum
that doesn't apply very strongly to his scumgame

That is a flat out lie.

I play a conservative scum game, and I'm confrontational as town.

Talk about blatant misrep.

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Also, I don't hesitate to bus as scum. There would have been no warning.

Hell, I named both of my scum buddies in my first reads list in NY 177!

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Anyone taking Doubleslap's read at face value should remember Marquis flat out admitted wanting me lynched here due to another game.

That other game was NY 177.

I'm just a PL to him.

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reading
marquis is watching agents of shield
also he is rly sure that tw is scum "cus of other games" but no other explanation

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For those of you that were butthurt by me not wanting to vote Pine yesterday, I'm not the only one that felt that way.

pedit i see pine as the kind of player that might kinda tryhard it but if he's town giving him time and space to speak is a helpful good thing plus it's a good thing that doesn't get annoying
he's already made a few analysis posts that i found wellll not exactly intriguing but it's like "good i can follow these hmm hmmm" i want more of them before committing to any reads decision from him

keep in mind he's on the do-not-lynch list, not the town list
i see no reason to consider lynching him today. the risk of lynching pinetown trumps the chance of lynching pinescum

think of it like mastin but maybe more likable

Funny how they didn't get shit for it, but I did.

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it was a null read i was ok with lynching
i'm fine as long we don't lynch a townread
and i didn't say all of that

They are fine as long as we don't lynch a town read, but refused to vote scum!Pine, who they admitted was not a town read?

This should die. Obvscum buddy.

VOTE: Doubleslap

[Total Wreck]

Vote Count 1.16

Shiny Hydreigon

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DOMO

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mastin2

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Pine - mastin2, Shiny Hydreigon, DOMO, Doubleslap, KittyCupCake, Perpetual Nonsense, Total Wreck ( Lynched)

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[Total Wreck]

UNVOTE:

[Total Wreck]

Because scum with fucking daychat NEVER, NEVER, EVER IN THEIR ENTIRE LIVES, EVER, would say this in-thread. Why not?

Town doesn't say it ever, either. WHY DOES TOWN WANT SOMEONE WHO IS SCUMMY TO TOWN IT UP?

Pune wasn't scummy as of that post, he was at worst null.

[Total Wreck]

I don't know how anyone can think wreck is town with the case I have on him. He blatantly tells pine he's gonna bus him. Why did he say it itt instead of in the scum QT? idk, ask him after the game, but he did it, and then immediately realised how stupid it was, and tried to bullshit his way out of it. It's clear as daylight. That is not town, it's just not.

As invested as you are in your faulty premise, I'm wondering if you just might be Pine's buddy wanting revenge for me hammering without staying intent because it robbed you of the opportunity to jump off the wagon.

[Total Wreck]

Stating*

[Total Wreck]

mastin could be scum with wreck. I consider it unlikely, seeing as the likes of bulb and pasch, amongst others, also have compelling reasons to be scum. But mastin is committed to a claim involving being blocked n1, so if she's scum the she's also committed to doing everything possible to keep her buddy alive, becuse mastin is vulnerable to a cc. It would explain why she's giving him townpoints for literally the scummiest thing in this thread.

pedit - I wondered how long it would take you to omgus me. Do it. Turn this into a 1 vs 1. I dare you.

Challenge accepted. It's a win/win for me, either way.

If you are lynched, win.

If I am lynched, no more putting up with idiots that can't see my obvious town meta. Win.

VOTE: DOMO

[Total Wreck]

And me getting lynched is a win why exactly? Do you actually think I'm scum?

Obviously, considering I'm voting for you.

[Total Wreck]

Mod: VC please.

[Total Wreck]

Just because two players argue doesn't mean they have different alignments, brainchild

[Total Wreck]

It's all I have the motivation for.

Idgaf if you mislynch me at this point.

[Total Wreck]

Was Titus ever around?

Nah, she got busy IRL before the game started.

[Total Wreck]

Yeah I'd have expected to be able to read titus better. That said, I'm utterly convinced wreck is scum. I don't see how there's a debate to be honest. He gets lynched today while we're ahead. If he somehow flips town, I should eat a bullet or get copped or whatever. I'll confirm right now I'm not miller. But wreck isn't flipping town. I'm more convinced he's scum than I am pine. There's more of a probability that the mod is trolling than there is that house is town. That's the kind of odds I'm seeing.

Can't tell if scum or stupid.

[Total Wreck]

I do wish I was a bookie, though.

DOMO would be my favorite

sucker

customer.

[Total Wreck]

I do wish I was a bookie, though.

DOMO would be my favorite

sucker

customer.

I'm a poker man, bookies are for losers.

Then find yourself a bookie.

[Total Wreck]

Kay. Catching up.

VOTE: Wreck

PN, if I get lynched, do you promise to lynch wreck when I flip town?

Chillax, love. No one is voting for you.

TW lynch is fine, even if just for the hammer alone. He even said so himself that he understands the reason behind lynching him for the hammer alone. Problem is, that doesn't match his current "Why me??" swagger

We can see him being scum with the classic scum mindset of bringing up past games to make himself look null if anything, instead of suspicious. Plus, his arguments for suspecting Domo have no meaning behind his words. It's like he's having a difficult time finding reasons to suspect Domo, so it's becoming BS.

DOMO is obvtown, I just want votes to get it over with.

I was fighting my lynch because there was no good reason for it.

When DOMO couched it as a PL, I got on board because I agree with the reasoning.

[Total Wreck]

And Bulbous Zack is scum, lynch him tomorrow.

[Total Wreck]

Also, I'm not going along with the PL because of the hammer, I'm going along with it because I suck in MyLo/LyLo.

[Total Wreck]

Claim: Innocent Child

[Total Wreck]

You pulling my chain or for real?

UNVOTE:

My fake claim is too real for you.

[Total Wreck]

Pot your vote back on me, PN.

You completely missed the point of that totally authentic fake claim.

[Total Wreck]

Put*

[Total Wreck]

Haha counterclaim!

claim: innocent child

OBVSCUM!

Dayvig: DOMO

[Total Wreck]

Whew, I was afraid you were a bomb for a second.

[Total Wreck]

VOTE: Wreck

Huzzah!

[Total Wreck]

It's a shame you're scum wreck, I like you.

You know what they say, keep your friends close and lynch them first.

[Total Wreck]

VOTE: Wreck

On a random note: you should pay more attention to your sig.

[Total Wreck]

If we're going to PL then do it pre-Lylo, Pasch and Bulba are both better lynches for today

Nah man, you are totally my scum buddy.

[Total Wreck]

How do you know scum has day chat?

[Total Wreck]

Oh right, wasn't paying attention to the role, just saw he flipped red.

[Total Wreck]

If you think I'm town, well shiny was town too and was screaming that wreck is town.

Yeah it's obvious how that should read.

Freudian slip, my man.

[Total Wreck]

I don't bag drums, they are too bulky.

[Total Wreck]

Tw: still waiting for your scum reads. Right now all I've seen is sarcasm and bitchness when anyone attacks you and the can't wait to prove you wrong attitude this day phase.

Bulb & Pasch, same as it's been for a coon's age.

Sarcasm & bitching is what town deserves if they mislynch me when I'm easy as hell to read by glancing at my meta.

I'm scummy town & towny scum. People too shallow to figure that out don't deserve better than what I've given today.

[Total Wreck]

Yo Pasch, why so chicken to vote me?

VOTE: Pasch

Does that help motivate you?

[Total Wreck]

My meta is pretty much the same. It never seems to make a difference. Why don't you try to distinguish yourself in this game rather than expecting us to read a bunch of other games.

Been there, tried that. I get lynched for "not coming across as genuine" when I try to consciously alert my behavior. Can't win for losing.

[Total Wreck]

Alert = alter

[Total Wreck]

Aw wreck, you missed a chance to have me reconsider. Imagine if you removed your pasch vote with a "that's better from pasch" and you might cause doubt to creep in, like maybe, just maybe, you're also looking for reasons why your scumreads might be town.

And second guess my innate genius?

Yeah, right!

[Total Wreck]

Aw wreck, you missed a chance to have me reconsider. Imagine if you removed your pasch vote with a "that's better from pasch" and you might cause doubt to creep in, like maybe, just maybe, you're also looking for reasons why your scumreads might be town.

I voted your scum read yesterday even though I didn't particularly want him lynched on D1, care to return the favor?

[Total Wreck]

You're asking me to sheep you? Hahahaha.

Yeah, but not on Pasch.

[Total Wreck]

There's no way that Mastin buses her encryptor, especially if that encryptor is someone she can work with, a la Pine. Mastin is town.

Ok this inspired me to read mastin's ISO highlighting "pine", and I have to say I agree with you. mastin seems very sincere when she talks about pine. She's pretty fucking ruthless if pine is scum, there's no need for her to bus him like that.

wreck, on the other hand, his vote for pine came after he spent the best part of the day trying to sell us pasch. After saying he never votes pine, he hammers him without unclaimed. That is insincere.

I didn't say Pine was town, I said I didn't want to lynch him on D1 because he stands to be too good of an asset in late game if he is town.

Then AA got so extension happy that I'd have lynched my own mother to end the day.

[Total Wreck]

Which you appeared to share my feeling over, you little hypocrite.

[Total Wreck]

One thing I feel confident in reading the flipped scum post is that mastin and aronis are in my confirmed town pile.
I want to dig deeper into kcc, ds, pasch, nm and bulba

Why not me?

[Total Wreck]

Or to create WIFOM.

[Total Wreck]

We've got someone at L-1, if there's consensus for me to hammer or declare intent to curb apathy I will

As far as Rom/NM-pine interactions go, there is just this -which doesn't really feel like busing. He's not getting anything out of this as scum. So, if you're seeing something else Domo, please point it out more specifically, because I'm missing it.

I was getting at the zero interaction. I consider that more than a little suspicious. Why don't either rom or nm mention pine at all? We're talking about the guy who got lynched. I can accept rom saying nothing, he replaced out before pine really became a thing. But NM says nothing except this post quoted above, and it's a relucatnt vote at that. He's looking for town permission to hammer? Doesn't feel town to me, not one bit.

As for wreck, I agree that sometimes his tone is town. But I've just finished a game at my homesite where I towned scum on d1 based on tone, and turned on him d2 due to scum motivated behaviour. Motive is much more compelling than tone, imo.

Hey wreck, can you quote where shiny defended pasch please? Thanks.

He's been undermining the Pasch wagon ever since he jumped off with the pathetic excuse of solo voting Pine for "pressure".

Instead of lynching his alleged scumread, he'd rather waste his vote on a D1 enigma and discredit anyone else who reads Pasce as scum, which is why I didn't bother wasting time answering him.

He's trying to save pine at pasch's expense. Tone = town, motive = scum. Net result - scum.

Now you are making the reverse mistake by overcompensating.

[Total Wreck]

Oh and 3) pine flip confirm shiny town

How?

[Total Wreck]

DOMO has a serious case of confbias.

[Total Wreck]

Why did shiny get NK'd if he wasn't right?

Pine scum -> Look at farside, Bulba, Pasche

Pine town -> Look at TW, mastin, Doubleslap

Ilu

[Total Wreck]

One thing I feel confident in reading the flipped scum post is that mastin and aronis are in my confirmed town pile.
I want to dig deeper into kcc, ds, pasch, nm and bulba

Why not me?

I'm null on you based on pine's post.

Where I come from, being null on someone is reason to dig deeper.

[Total Wreck]

One thing I feel confident in reading the flipped scum post is that mastin and aronis are in my confirmed town pile.
I want to dig deeper into kcc, ds, pasch, nm and bulba

Why not me?

I'm null on you based on pine's post.

This is scumposting, by the way.

Vague read attempts and null reads give no info to town but look like they are still attempting to contribute.

Especially when it comes to contentious wagons that show a high risk of blowback.

[Total Wreck]

I'm happy with a Bulba/FS team.

[Total Wreck]

Yeah but you are confbiased.

[Total Wreck]

DOMO, you are basing your read this game on where you screwed up on a different game.

That is textbook confbias.

[Total Wreck]

No, I'm basing it on you being outrageously scummy.

It's so obvious that only you see it, eh?

[Total Wreck]

Since lynching me isn't happening, why not find my partner, lynch them, then tie us together via association to sell my lynch?

[Total Wreck]

No, I'm basing it on you being outrageously scummy.

It's so obvious that only you see it, eh?

Yeah. Bascially I'm right and everyone else is wrong. It wouldn't be the first time.

And no, I'm not interested in anyone else because I'm not going to have anywhere near as much confidence in another lynch. I'd rather hunt based on your flip.

Fine, you win.

The scum team is

Pine: encrypter
Farside: roleblocker
Bulbazak: goon
House: goon

Bulba and I have been busing each other because we are just goons. I asked Farside to bus me too, but she didn't want to draw too much attention to herself.

Good job town, you totally earned this.

[Total Wreck]

House, did you seriously just get yourself modkilled?

Did I?

[Total Wreck]

Meanwhile, DOMO, the wagon will go through, but further tunneling TW isn't going to affect the wagon, as TW's play speaks for itself.

Ikr?

[Total Wreck]

If you guys are smart, you will lynch the rb first, but do continue fucking up.

[Total Wreck]

Pasch, it is no wonder you are mislynch bait.

[Total Wreck]

I'm happy with a Bulba/FS team.

[Total Wreck]

Hard to keep up with everything when I'm surfing while working.

He's not getting lynched, it can wait until my shift ends.

[Total Wreck]

Sure, because scum totally wants more attention as the game progresses.

Totally makes sense if you don't think about it.

You are judging my alignment by my personality. That's terrible play at best and manipulative scum at worst.

[Total Wreck]

^@ Farside

[Total Wreck]

So tired I almost forgot.

VOTE: Bulbazak

I like Farside for his buddy, but my read is stronger on Bulbazak.

[Total Wreck]

^ Smart Cookie

[Total Wreck]

Also, Kitty makes a point that is hard to ignore.

VOTE: Pasch

[Total Wreck]

Waiting for mod to show up and hopefully modkill House so we can move on from this to either DOMO gloating or ending this tunnel. There's still a lot I dislike about TW from D1 but late D1 and today looks like frustrated town to me, the later parts frustrated town resigned to his lynch.

Timing of Pasch's vote noted

If I'm modkilled, that means I'm scum and gave away the entire team.

If I'm scum and gave away the entire team, I won't just be modkilled, I'll most likely be banned.

If the entire team has been outed, why are they not bitching about it?

[Total Wreck]

I didn't see that in the rules, care to point it out?

[Total Wreck]

Meh, I missed 11.

Sorry, all.

[Total Wreck]

Losing me won't cost town much, if I

am

MK'ed, as I'm mislynch bait anyway

So at least there is a bright side.

[Total Wreck]

Be happy, you got what you wanted.

Good luck, town.

[Total Wreck]

if you still think i wanted you lynched based on some sort of personal grudge maybe you should stop thinking that game was as important to me as it apparently is to you

You were scum reading me, yes?

I'm town, but I'm being mod killed.

Pasch's last post seems forced. Don't overlook it.