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VOTE: VysePresident
Same as above, really, but it felt strange to vote the same person twice out of the gate tbf.-
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I felt pretty sheepish about it. There's no shame in you reading it that way.
The whole sequence was that I intended to vote someone I didn't know because I knew I knew most of the players, I skimmed down to look at who had voted first to see if there was something votable there already (which could supercede that), I saw that dram had already voted my least-known player, I looked back at the playerlist and saw that I knew basically every other player to at least an extent (including Vyse, who I've seen here and there and whose name I thought I recognized from Tactics Ogre, but I see now that that was Vyce), so no one else really fit with what I wanted to do, so I felt kinda frustrated, but I went with it Vyse anyway. I was feeling the frustration somewhat, so I decided to let that be expressed in my post.-
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I like playing with players I like. Whether I perceive that I can read them has nothing to do with it.-
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Oh, I read the second part of that wrong. I read it as "who you can read well" -- I thought the implication was that we would like other players that we can read well to be in the game because it would be easier to win.
Uhhhhhhhhh I don't think anyone can particularly read me better than anyone else. Old-Glork was pretty good, though!-
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I think the contents that you have quoted basically open by answering your "question."
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I do not understand why the things that Egg has indicated about Seraphim actually make Seraphim any more likely to have a scum alignment.-
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In post 62, Nikanor wrote:seraphim's little trap he set for egg is not really jiving with me at all. looks a lot like sera was planning to vote for egg no matter what he said.
tbh it really looks like distancing to me but it's like page 3 so it'd be real swell if y'all would pretend i didn't say that ty.
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Amending: The first line of what I quoted is what made sense to me. Less so the second line. I had been phone-posting.-
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"I have my reasons" kinda implied a somewhat more developed case that he was being cagey about IMO.-
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In post 96, ActionDan wrote:Your answers have been tabulated and disregarded unfortunately. Too disperate.
Egg, dram, or someone else?
Disparate or desperate?-
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Are you going to indicate where the sera vote comes from?-
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Am I correct in inferring that your "non-rvs" sera vote is based on something from page 1?-
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And there's no such post, so apparently not.-
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Oh wait nvm I got my games mixed up mb in 109.-
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I'm actually OK with it now, so nevermind.-
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Could be because Nikanor had already made a serious post, or it could be that he has both a post with some content and an RVS vote.-
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I've commented on Egg/you a little bit already.
I think his original take on your post was kind of dumb for the reasons you specified (i.e., you meant they can't read you due to your absence, plus I'd add that I'm not sure that haughtiness would be a scumtell even if it were valid to describe your post that way), but your "trap" response to him was similarly kinda of hackneyed (would you have been OK with him if he said he wasn't reading carefully?), so it's hard for me to differentiate reasonable/normal/townable indignation from people who are identifying errors rather than actually scummy behavior (which is something I would find scummy).-
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In post 117, Seraphim wrote:Since you seem to be online, do you have any particularly strong scumreads yet?
Not particularly. I went back to the player list to try to pick one and thought of kiwi, but I actually think he's town upon reading his iso, mostly for his conclusion about the interaction between you and Egg (especially that it changed, so it looked like he didn't have an agenda going into interpreting it).
Dram I decidedly don't have a townread on, but I have noticed that I never have an early townread on dram of late, so I don't feel strongly-enough about that to vote for him or put rhetoric on him.-
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Vyse iso doesn't give me a kiwi moment really, so I'm OK leaving my vote there for right now.
Dan could be scum. I would want to skim for his drunkposting elsewhere on the site during his activity earlier before moving on this I think.
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In post 121, dramonic wrote:@Iece: You`re just a jerk
Do you generally try to towntell? I do not get the sense that you try to towntell.-
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In post 124, bankaikiller wrote:uhh I Dont know what to think at this point, I'm going to read into this more tomorrow, but there has been something on my mind as of lately
Vote Jake from state farm
My name is Jake in real life, and you know how irritating it is
When people bring that commercial joke up to me?
It gets really old after awhile, and I just wish they never made it damnit!
Care to comment on Eggs, since you were previously voting him?
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In post 134, Egg wrote:In post 122, Iecerint wrote:Dan could be scum. I would want to skim for his drunkposting elsewhere on the site during his activity earlier before moving on this I think.
What do you hope to gain from that?
Jake, I'm surprised if you really think that was intentional on Actiondan's part, but ok.
From the comment itself, my intent/"hope" was to answer Sera's question.
From comparing Dan's comfort drunkposting here vs other places and the associated drunkposting content, I might infer an alignment distinction. I do not know yet because I have not checked.
Not sure which you were asking, but there ye go.-
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In post 141, ActionDan wrote:To save iec the trouble I was pretty drunk off the 5 glasses of wine. Scouts honor
I am not disputing that you were drunk -- I am suggesting that your drunkposting might have been affected by your alignment (favorably or otherwise).-
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In post 146, bankaikiller wrote:Uhh after reading the whole thread, it looks to be that egg is legit on trying to find scum, and it's looking that either dra, ser or both are scum, but then again I could be wrong and they could be babbling on like idiots.
Then why did you vote for Jake?
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In post 191, Jake from State Farm wrote:In post 189, Egg wrote:In post 185, Jake from State Farm wrote:Actually 3 times
I still don't see why this is scummy...
People tend to write people off when they have a post restriction, people subconsciously assume they are town cause mod wouldn't give scum a PR. No town motivation to fake one IMO. Plus I'm not impressed with her contribution so far
I think Mantis was just alluding to Niki's apparent PR.-
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Egg, you were in Inuyasha, right? Could you remind me what your alignment was in that game?-
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Nevermind, I checked, you were town. I had the same like mild scumread on you during D1 of that game that I have this game IIRC.
I'm pretty sure Egg is town. Something else he posted at some point this game pinged down despite the sketchy feelings, so coupled together probably solidly town. I don't remember what the ping was about.-
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Unvote; Vote: ActionDan
Never have I gone poor lynching ActionDaniel.-
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@ Kiwi, Dan previously had a meta of being an active lurker while scum. He was lynched on those grounds in uhhhhhhhh Reckoning III most recently that I can think of. More recently he's decided to combat this by being an active lurker as both alignments, which is why I framed it the way that I did. His behavior is no longer a sure thing and I'm not going to pretend it is.
I do think he's maybe probably more likely to be scum than VysePresident.-
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In post 222, Jake from State Farm wrote:In post 220, Iecerint wrote:@ Kiwi, Dan previously had a meta of being an active lurker while scum. He was lynched on those grounds in uhhhhhhhh Reckoning III most recently that I can think of. More recently he's decided to combat this by being an active lurker as both alignments, which is why I framed it the way that I did. His behavior is no longer a sure thing and I'm not going to pretend it is.
I do think he's maybe probably more likely to be scum than VysePresident.
So basicly.Dan has.decided to become a shit town player.to make himself harder to read.when he's scum?
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I always get angry at your posts because I know you're capable of playing better.-
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Unvote; Vote: bankaikiller
We'd better lynch them before the mods decide it's unfair to have someone replace them.-
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Lol.
What has happened to the world I live in.-
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In post 277, Iecerint wrote:We'd better lynch them before the mods decide it's unfair to have someone replace them.
Guys, I meant this as a joke. <_<-
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Yeah, the issue now is that if Sera were town the mods probably wouldn't have perceived anything overly outrageous in bankai's behavior.
Caveat is if AP and/or BRO somehow have a history of lots of unnecessary modkills in other games they have modded.-
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I think both pre-modkill and post-modkill scumSera basically has to be entertained unless he happens to be able to confirm himself relatively soon. The modkill made scumSera more likely because declaring yourself scum with town if you're sure you're going to be lynched is a perfectly reasonable strategy and not punishable on the grounds of playing against wincon.
But the mods surely would have realized something so obvious and not done it in such a circumstance, etc. So there's modkill WIFOM now.
But they also modkilled kiwieagle for what basically amounted to a claim from what I can tell, albeit one that occurred in an odd way. (I didn't see the posts in question.) So maybe they just like fucking around in their games more than one might expect.-
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I would like to hear more players' perspective on whether Sera is autolynch in the absence of something extraordinary before he rushes to claim, though, unless deadline is unchanged.-
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inb4 I get modkilled for interpreting the modkill.-
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Be sure a claim is on record before he's lynched.-
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In post 314, Nikanor wrote:First glance at Iec's reaction says he's scum too though.
The reaction to bankai, or the reaction to the mods?-
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In post 322, Jake from State Farm wrote:In post 319, Iecerint wrote:Be sure a claim is on record before he's lynched.
Idk why but this post just seems off, I mean yeah common sense says let him claim, just didn't feel it needed to be said at this point
Reacting to Niki's wording.-
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For my part, I think the mod's decision has turned analysis of a player into analysis of the mods. I don't doubt at all that their approach was "normative" for how this site works right now (less so the kiwi modkill, though I didn't see the whole story for that, so maybe the violation was more egregious than it sounds or kiwi had a PR where he couldn't claim or something), but it bothers me in the same way that it bothers me that people get lynched in Normal games for claiming things that recently became non-normal or whatever. I think it corrupts games and is a pet peeve of mine.
I mention this because it is probably relevant to interpreting my reaction to the modkill, which I elaborated on because of Egg's post.-
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In post 326, Jake from State Farm wrote:In post 311, Iecerint wrote:I would like to hear more players' perspective on whether Sera is autolynch in the absence of something extraordinary before he rushes to claim, though, unless deadline is unchanged.
but you already said you think he is going to rush to claim in this post. Do you honestly think he is going to get speed lynched without the possibility of claiming or even attempting a defense?
Probably not I guess, but I'm in a pretty annoyed mood.
Also, my reaction to all of this stuff is tempered by ABR's recent decision to claim scum and forfeit for no reason a few days ago in another game, similarly when he wasn't the last scum alive. It bothered me there, too. You can read my reaction in the last few pages. It was a little more extreme there because I had been pretty into that game up until ABR's forfeit.
Pedit: @Niki, that's a total misrepresentation/misreading; my conclusion is that we should lynch Seraphim unless he claims something easily confirmable, but we shouldn't lynch him until he claims, and that the modkill makes it a better idea than it would otherwise be (unless it comes out that modkills are AP/BRO's favorite thing, in which case the modkill simply has no effect).-
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In post 310, Iecerint wrote:I think both pre-modkill and post-modkill scumSera basically has to be entertained unless he happens to be able to confirm himself relatively soon. The modkill made scumSera more likely because declaring yourself scum with town if you're sure you're going to be lynched is a perfectly reasonable strategy and not punishable on the grounds of playing against wincon.
But the mods surely would have realized something so obvious and not done it in such a circumstance, etc. So there's modkill WIFOM now.
But they also modkilled kiwieagle for what basically amounted to a claim from what I can tell, albeit one that occurred in an odd way. (I didn't see the posts in question.) So maybe they just like fucking around in their games more than one might expect.
I guess this is the post after the one you quoted, though.-
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Though, I would probably be even more pissed off if I were scum in this situation, so I don't blame people for inferring I might be scum on those grounds.
I'm not, though. Just Lawful Neutral. Which isn't a crumb.-
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In post 333, Nikanor wrote:your 310 is super hedgy too; it starts with "sera is probably scum" and then goes on to give excuses as to why he might not be scum. it just looks like a guy who wants to say "sera is scum" but doesn't really have any interest in coming to that conclusion.
1. My 310 doesn't actually give any reasons/"excuses" why Sera might not be scum (edit: unless you mean the line about mod WIFOM I guess). What it does is list reasons why the modkill could potentially not ADD to the chance that Sera is scum (i.e., beyond what bankai already did).
(I always list the main caveat I can perceive to whatever perspective I have put forward. I do it mainly because I think anticipating the response and laying it out speeds up the game, which increases readability/engagement, and prevents a potential adversarial interaction with a player who might have the caveat perspective in mind as they read my post.)
2. My 310 has lots of words (maybe this is what you mean by "excuses?") because Egg's 309 seemed like it had missed the point of my 308. I think 310 will make more sense structurally if you read it in that context.-
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Vote: Seraphim
A little surprised there was not a stronger implicit request to be allowed to use the N1 track. Whatever, though.-
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I'm pretty sure dram is town; at least, he was pushing bankai earlier. Though both scumfriends bussing him when it maybe didn't seem that necessary could account for his kind of bizarre reaction.
Relatively definitely town if Sera is town.-
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In post 345, Jake from State Farm wrote:In post 343, Egg wrote:I think there's a good chance at a bus in those three post-claim votes (and I'd maybe lump Jake's comment in with those) if Sera is scum. Iec makes a good point about the track. Like that's kind of provable even though scum trackers exist and could be useful info if Sera is town. But Sera is so likely scum and everyone else seems just as sure, so my vote stays.
Don't lump my comment in, I have thought he's scum from.the jump
3 = three = Iec/Dram/ABR-
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In post 147, dramonic wrote:wrong on all counts. My vote is looking sexier by the minute.
I remembered him referring back to his initially-RVS vote more frequently, but I guess this is sorta all I see looking back.-
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To be honest, I think that the post-claim votes are somewhat less likely to be a scumfriend if anything, on the grounds that it wouldn't be outrageous for someone to try to give him a day to use the claimed ability N1. So they might hold off until it's clear that it's not going to happen. I probably would've done that as Sera's scumfriend, at least.-
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I'm not voting until the crumbs are worked out.
There's probably only one scum left.-
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There is no reason for vanity wagons when both of the first posters have implied actual caught scum, and they already aren't the same caught scum.
I am waiting for Vyse to react to what Niki said.-
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By "vanity," I am implying "based on other than the nightgame" rather than "random."-
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I guess your vote was your first post too, though. So maybe that still applies to yours!-
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In post 412, Jake from State Farm wrote:In post 329, Iecerint wrote:Also, my reaction to all of this stuff is tempered by ABR's recent decision to claim scum and forfeit for no reason a few days ago in another game, similarly when he wasn't the last scum alive. It bothered me there, too. You can read my reaction in the last few pages. It was a little more extreme there because I had been pretty into that game up until ABR's forfeit.
Getting around to this finally, you don't seem nearly as frustrated in that game as you do here. Here you seem genuinely frustrated/annoyed which makes no sense if you are town considering we nabbed 2 scum cause of it. Your frustration definitely makes sense if you are scum though, plus your reactions to both getting killed/lynched also make sense if you are scum.
My frustration in the other game similarly "makes no sense" because I won the game as a result of the objectionable behavior. There's a slight different because this game had modkills whereas that game was a forfeit.
Jake wrote:Nik picked up in it also, not sure why she had a chance of heart overnight but hopefully she comes around and beep beeps her jeep on you
Nik actually said I was scum for a different reason -- he said I was fencesitting on Seraphim. I pointed out that I wasn't, and he dropped that line of inquiry (though mostly probably because the day was basically over tbh.
Also, Niki has me as the #2 scum right now. He's probably pushing Egg based on the "scum theater" idea from yesterday, if there's no nightgame component. He hasn't "dropped" me.
The only player who said that the reason you're currently pushing me (upset at town-assisting modkills) could make any sense was me, oddly enough.-
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In post 331, Iecerint wrote:Though, I would probably be even more pissed off if I were scum in this situation, so I don't blame people for inferring I might be scum on those grounds.
I'm not, though. Just Lawful Neutral. Which isn't a crumb.
Here, re: me being the one to voice this perspective.-
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What's the reason you're pushing me, then? That's what I see you focused on in your posts.
(Again, I am not objecting to that as a reason to suspect me. My point in clarifying it there was that you said that Niki "picked up on it too," but it's not actually what Niki said he picked up on.)-
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