Mini 1641 - AP and BRO's Excellent Adventure (Game over!)

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Vote Jake from State Farm

She sounds hideous.

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Unvote, Vote Nikanor

I don't like how he thinks to react to a random vote on him before placing a random.vote himself

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Oh.

Unvote

So what was it you didn't like about that vote?

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Really?

Never would have known that...

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Majiffy

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...are you gonna add a player to the game?

That would make this a large

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Vote Dramonic

Any reads?

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Vote Dramonic

Any reads?

do you have any reads

beep beep i'm a jeep

Actiondan- town. His weird stuff about adding a player to the game doesn't read like a scum distraction. It reads like having fun without worrying how people read him.

You- town. Your questions towards vyse and myself read as town trying to get reads early game. Note that I have a bias that post restrictions tend to be town. Not an intentional tell I use, but it's gonna be in the back of my mind unfortunately.

Iec- town. Mostly gut. Maybe a bit of tone. Hard to put into words. I get that he's real open. Shows he's willing to talk early and isn't worried about slipping up. Admittedly an even weaker read than the rest of these.

Dramonic - scum. He's got 6 posts and none of them progress the game. Appears active but says nothing. Doesn't mean much unless it continues. However, he did ignore my question. Hell, even "no it's too early" would have looked town even if I disagree with the philosophy.

Sera - scum. I don't like the mentality behind "i don't expect anyone to be able to read me". I realize it was based on a question he was asked, but it has a gloating feel to it. Also, asking about a post restriction doesn't gain anything so asking actiondan what he expects to gain is slightly hypocritical.

That's it off the top of my head but if I felt motivated enough to go through everyone's ISO I could give a better answer than "null".

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Not really

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How do you feel about AD and Nikanor both jumping on you asking me reads?

Seems like a playstyle difference to me. For whatever reason, when Role PMs are freshest in your mind is the time that matters the least to a lot of people. Some people think the first 3-5 pages is nonsense. Some think the same about all of Day 1. I strongly disagree but I learned a long time ago that it's a theory thing, not a scum tell.

Sera, 8. I've read every post and keep checking back. It's an 8 and not a 10 because I know I can't keep that up for long.

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Semantics...

I once told Mastin he can't read me worth shit. That doesn't mean he's wrong 100% of the time. It just means he was wrong like three times in a row. To me "can't read you" and "cant read you well" mean basically the same thing.

Also, meta is far from being the only tell that can be used in mafia. Hell, some people don't think meta can be used at all. Those people probably wouldn't read you any differently than they'd read anyone else.

Also, your OMGUS is showing.

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I feel like if I respond to that, I'll just end up saying the same thing again. It didn't really address my concern. And you didn't even attempt to discuss my point about how meta isn't everything.

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That's because meta only has 50% to do with my original post anyway. If you play or read certain players long enough, you get a feel for their playstyles that beyond certain meta tells. NO ONE HAS THAT EXPERIENCE WITH ME. I HAVE BEEN ABSENT. Is this so mind-bogglingly difficult for you to understand? keep pushing that misrep, man, it's making you look better and better.

Are you just dumb or...?

You said no one should be able to read you well because you haven't played in so long. That heavily implies meta. You responded to everything I said EXCEPT the meta part.

I honestly don't even see what you are calling a misrep there but buzzwords don't work the way they used to.

Unvote, Vote Sera

More confident in this than Dramonic.

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Kiwi, to be fair, my Sera read was pretty weak until his reaction. Note that I was still voting Dramonic for posting without reads.

Vyse, he's way too defensive and is stretching a ton.

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Konowa, do you plan on giving reasons for any of your reads or are we just supposed to guess?

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I have my reasons for suspecting Dramonic. However, I don't know if yours are the same if you don't tell me.

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Yes, and I believe I said as much here:

Dramonic - scum. He's got 6 posts and none of them progress the game. Appears active but says nothing. Doesn't mean much unless it continues. However, he did ignore my question. Hell, even "no it's too early" would have looked town even if I disagree with the philosophy.

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Those are my reasons for suspecting you, as I said.

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"I have my reasons" kinda implied a somewhat more developed case that he was being cagey about IMO.

Wasn't meant to. I was referring to the stuff I said before.

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I can't decide who is scummier between Sera and Dramonic. They are both pretty bad.

Jake, I don't know how I can possibly be more clear about Actiondan. It seemed more like he was trying to have RVS fun than intentionally distract. Yeah, it's dumb and ends up being distracting, but I just don't see the intent. I dont think it was ill-motivated. You said you disagree. Can you tell me why?

Post 107 made me literally lol

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Looks like Jake got his scum read from this:

Nikanor, you have a post restriction, right? Can you explain your post restriction?

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Vote: ActionDan

I can't figure out why without stretching drastically.

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Dan could be scum. I would want to skim for his drunkposting elsewhere on the site during his activity earlier before moving on this I think.

What do you hope to gain from that?

Jake, I'm surprised if you really think that was intentional on Actiondan's part, but ok.

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Well this is awkward. I'm finding myself agreeing with Konowa that Jake's Sera push makes no sense. RVS voting with "he knows why" type votes is very common. I don't get what is scummy about this. However, Sera's play after that looks like scum. And on top of that, my other scumread

Dramonic has Jake as scum now for these same reasons

(<- Looks like I was misreading the broom comment???). Fuck.

Actiondan's active lurking feels out of character. I feel like he's normally more analytical. Or has that changed?

Bank's interactions with Jake feel weird to me. Mostly the unvote. Maybe it's partly newbishness, but it felt weird to me and I can't explain why.

Kiwi, are you typically more of a follower than a leader?

Last fake post restriction I saw was from scum and nik messed up once and

wasn't punished

, so I believe its fake

How do you know the bolded?

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The only game I can recall having a post restriction in, my penalty was directly related to my role and wouldn't have been announced.

Actually, I can't remember every seeing a post restriction penalized in thread.

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The only game I can recall having a post restriction in, my penalty was directly related to my role and wouldn't have been announced.

Actually, I can't remember

ever

seeing a post restriction penalized in thread.

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Nope.

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Actually 3 times

I still don't see why this is scummy...

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What specifically aren't you impressed with?

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Konowa, my issues with Sera have nothing to do with style. He completely ignored the fact that I stated meta isn't the only way to read someone after he said no one should be able to read him well because he hasn't played in a while and then tried to change my arguement based on the fact that I took "cant read me well" as basically the same as "cant read me". It's dumb. He's just looking for a reason to OMGUS. Like there's no way that's a real arguement.

So I typed the above before reading Sera's post. Now we're going with lolreactiontest I guess. Never been a fan of that. And his reads have shifted to active players are town and lurkers are scum apparently...

I don't like any ABR posts on Page 9.

Guys don't let me forget I want to look at Kiwi's ISO quick.

At the bottom of Page 9. Going in to work now. Will read tomorrow

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So I'm caught up and ABR why the fuck are you even in this game if you refuse to play it? Seriously if you're that pissed off at a past game that you can't enjoy playing don't fucking ruin it for everyone else

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Guys don't let me forget I want to look at Kiwi's ISO quick

^also forget that. No point now

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i'm bored also and egg hasn't told me who to vote yet

Not sure why you're asking me but Sera, Dramonic, and ABR are all excellent choices.

btw, serph is my mafia partner in crime. thanks for trying to out me asswipe. Way to be a team player lol.

Ummm. Seriously wondering if this might be legit.

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Yeah I try to ignore those things but man if one of those two slots flips scum, it's really gonna cloud my judgement of the other.

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Hmm. That doesn't exactly change my mind about Sera.

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Well my thing is Bank seemed genuinely reckless and pissed off about being bussed. I don't think a wagon of just townies triggers that reaction. And I don't think scum acting that recklessly cares about winning enough to name a townie as scum to WIFOM us into lynching said townie.

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Vote: Seraphim.

Not much else to do here.
First glance at Iec's reaction says he's scum too though.

beep beep i'm a jeep

Eh, maybe. But to me, he just reads as someone who is frustrated that bank's claim took away some of the fun of the game. Although the claim request that Jake pointed out is kind of weird. Anyone placing a vote should be checking that they aren't the hammer anyway so it feels a little out of place. But then again, I feel like someone makes a similar post on any speedwagon.

If Sera is scum, his buddy probably either hopped on the wagon with a one liner or is avoiding the thread completely at this point, although quite a few people fall into those categories, unfortunately.

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I think there's a good chance at a bus in those three post-claim votes (and I'd maybe lump Jake's comment in with those) if Sera is scum. Iec makes a good point about the track. Like that's kind of provable even though scum trackers exist and could be useful info if Sera is town. But Sera is so likely scum and everyone else seems just as sure, so my vote stays.

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I think there's a good chance at a bus in those three post-claim votes (and I'd maybe lump Jake's comment in with those) if Sera is scum. Iec makes a good point about the track. Like that's kind of provable even though scum trackers exist and could be useful info if Sera is town. But Sera is so likely scum and everyone else seems just as sure, so my vote stays.

Don't lump my comment in, I have thought he's scum from.the jump

True. Actually a very good point. So Dramonic/ABR/Iec. And I lean not Iec. Shit, am I confirmation biasing again?

Iec, can you explain that Dramonic town read?

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uhh I Dont know what to think at this point, I'm going to read into this more tomorrow, but there has been something on my mind as of lately

Vote Jake from state farm

My name is Jake in real life, and you know how irritating it is

When people bring that commercial joke up to me?

It gets really old after awhile, and I just wish they never made it damnit!

That post makes Jake probtown

This game fucking sucks. lawl.

^that a scum claim?

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To be honest, I think that the post-claim votes are somewhat less likely to be a scumfriend if anything, on the grounds that it wouldn't be outrageous for someone to try to give him a day to use the claimed ability N1. So they might hold off until it's clear that it's not going to happen. I probably would've done that as Sera's scumfriend, at least.

Hmm. Maybe.

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That post makes Jake probtown

Thanks for putting a target on my back

Pfffft. I'd be surprised if you get NK'd after implying you are just gonna sheep all game.

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I'll look over this game tomorrow probably.

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I can confirm I was blocked. I didn't get a result for my watch. Attempted to watch Vyse. I was guessing at the NK.

Also my eyes hurt from doing other stuff so my re-read is gonna have to be put off. I'd like to do it even if I'm being lynched so we can talk about who goes next and stuff.

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In light of that claim I think vyse should claim because I had him as a tracker/watcher

why would he call me scum if he was a tracker or watcher, there was no kill so that makes no sense. pretty sure he's a rolecop.

why did you think vyse would be killed egg?

Seemed under the radar, not likely to draw protection, and not really a lynch target. I'm usually pretty good at guessing these things. I'm pretty ridiculous as an investigative. I get guilties all the time.

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Why not?

Isn't the point to catch scum performing the NK?

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If the guy you target dies, and you see who targetted him, you have caught scum. Two names makes it 50/50. Three names would even be 33% and better than random and useful later.

Srsly PR play 101.

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Just vote Egg and Egg self-hammer you're not getting out of this...

I'm fine with being lynched today. I just want to reread and ISO flipped scum and look at vote counts and stuff first. Should be easy to narrow the list down to just a few possible scum. We can afford to mislynch so many times I don't even care about fighting it. And my watch was only one shot anyway and was my strongest ability and the Mod hasn't even gotten back to me on whether or not I still have it.

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If the guy you target dies, and you see who targetted him, you have caught scum. Two names makes it 50/50. Three names would even be 33% and better than random and useful later.

Srsly PR play 101.

1. I thought you were.saying you were hoping to catch him performing a nk

2. he certainly wasn't a threat to be nk'd, like if everyone made a list of most likely nk targets. I seriously doubt he would be near the top

If I thought he was scum, why would I have mentioned that he wasn't a likely protection target?

But yeah. When scum have a strongman, they expect a doc and kil the under the radar guy.

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Guys give me about 28 hours first.

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We should probably at least wait until one of the mods visits the thread.

Would be nice if they answered my question too. I mean technically, if I still have the watch I can prove my ability and then the only way I'm scum is if I'm a scum watcher.

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My role is AP and Bro going to the Badlands club again.

The watch ability is called looking at your feet while dancing (which shouldn't I be looking at other people dance or something? Like why my own feet? That seems weird. But whatever that's what it is)

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a-aron?

i wanted to link this

i'm sorry. here have a banana on the house


in all seriousness though, why are we waiting to lynch the deviled egg? there was a block claim and no night kill; he has to go

I asked for time for final reads and stuff

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Egg (4) -

kiwieagle

, bankaikiller, Seraphim

, Mantisdreamz
Iecerint (2) - Nikanor, Konowa

bankaikiller

(1) - dramonic
VysePresident (1) - Iecerint
dramonic (1) - VysePresident
Albert B. Rampage (1) - ActionDan

Seraphim

(1) - Egg
Not Voting (2): Jake from State Farm, Albert B. Rampage

I'd be shocked if all three scum were voting me. Mantis is probtown.

Seraphim

(6) - Egg, Nikanor, Jake from State Farm, Konowa, dramonic, Iecerint
Egg (1) - Mantisdreamz
dramonic (1) - VysePresident
Iecerint (1) - Nikanor
Albert B. Rampage (1) - ActionDan
Not Voting (2):

Seraphim

, Albert B. Rampage

Nik and Jake are on there early enough to be likely town.

Uhh after reading the whole thread, it looks to be that egg is legit on trying to find scum, and it's looking that either dra, ser or both are scum, but then again I could be wrong and they could be babbling on like idiots.

I had a theory that Bank didn't see bussing as a viable strategy and wouldn't call his buddies scum. Here he says Sera might be scum, so I guess I was wrong. Still, I'm not so sure he'd call both scum in one sentence. Dramonic gets town points.

Sera Stfu dude.... Some people have lives, and work alot. Sorry for my inactivity, I still just see back and forth bs, and wth.... Why are you lieing to town?????Vote jake

This doesn't read like bussing at all. Jake is obvtown

Nikanor, you have a post restriction, right? Can you explain your post restriction?

Sera was obviously fishing to see if there was a power to go with this restriction. Nik is obvtown

However, I don't think the best move is to lynch someone who is actually being active in this game, while I think we'll have better luck lynching an active lurker like ActionDan or kiwieagle or an actual lurker like bankaikiller or mantis. People need to stop lurking and make some decent contributions. Games don't work when 1/3rd of the playerbase is lurking. For real. I don't like Jake's fixation on Nik's post restriction but it's whatever. ABR and Vyse should post more. I feel okay about Iec, Dram, and Nik. ActionDan looks like textbook active lurker to me, so I'm gonnaUnvoteVote: ActionDan

Actiondan is probtown. I don't think Sera would pick out a buddy from that list to single out if he was just going for the easy lynch.

Tl;dr don't ever lynch Jake, Nik, mantis, dramonic, or actiondan and this is an easy town win. That means scum is in ABR, Iec, Vyse, konowa.

Vote ABR

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How much more time do you need?

I'm done. Go ahead and hammer

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in all seriousness though, why are we waiting to lynch the deviled egg? there was a block claim and no night kill; he has to go

Want to give the Mods a chance to clear up any residual questions from players before the next night phase. AFB have not been online since day started Friday night.

We do not know if people other than Egg have them, but it's quite possible, and it would be dumb for us to literally ask who among us needs Mod help with understanding N1 stuff.

Actually they still haven't gotten back to me but it's whatever lol

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Nik should block from my list:
ABR, Vyse, Iec, Konowa

Also, for what it's worth, I still have my watch. Just heard back from Mods.

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You need to tell us who you block...in case you die

Well that's a great idea actually but nik.blocked egg and no kill happened so your stalling on egg makes no sense. Do you realize how easy it is to manipulate people into thinking you are town when you are near lynch? It's literally the easiest thing in the world.

If nik is telling the truth, scum has to be egg. The claim seems fake, the choice of person definitely makes no sense, and the flavor even seems fake.

Egg Lynch should end the game unless we have shenanigans

If the claim is your issue, I could prove you wrong tonight. Watcher is confirmable. I can't do anything about the flavor I was given.

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Egg read my post

I did. Intentionally waited for a few reactions. Knew you were bluffing and was curious where you were going with it.

Actually, you're not backing off of this are you?

Lol what?

Preview edit: ok there it is lol

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Jake isn't scum.

ABR might be. Konowa might be.

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So far as we know, I think it's only possible for ABR to be scum if he intentionally no-killed.

That's not impossible, and there might be a successful protect that caused the lack of death, anyway, but ye know.

So you know that no one else is a doc (ABR wouldn't be BG as scum probably), nobody could commute, scum don't have a redirector, etc? Or what Jake said. Maybe they never submitted. Although maybe that would point more towards Konowa than ABR...

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Pedit: Egg, I explicitly mention the possibility of a protect and of a no-submit in the post you just quoted.We know that scum don't have a redirector because their redirector already flipped.I agree that Konowa looks sketchy, but I am hesitant to rhetoric around too much because I'm not sure who Dan's partner is

Oh shit. Fail on the redirector thing lol. But yeah. I guess ABR as scum does require some shenanigans. Possible, but I'm starting to think Konowa is more likely. Maybe even Vyse.

I need to get in to work like right this second though so I'll read the rest of the thread in the morning

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If Vyse is a rolecop (typically a scum role) and voted Nik for being RB (typically scum role although that meta seems to be shifting), I find that very...odd.

Unvote, Vote Konowa

I feel like it has to be him or Vyse

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Waiting to judge Vyse until he claims. I'm just speculating based on assumption (him being rolecop) for right now.

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You guys really think all three scum voted consecutively on my wagon? Mantis is probably town.

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Since bankai's was rvs, I can see mantis as just kind of following sera and not really being mindful of the three scum votes, especially because there's no vote count inbetween.

But I can't remember a time I've ever seen three consecutive scum votes. I really don't think they did that here. If the team was like Mastin, AP, and DGB where they'd do it intentionally then I'd buy it. Not Bank/Sera/Mantis though.

with konowa's absence, i honestly think it's quite possible that he (as possible scum) has just has given up. i wouldn't blame him

I didn't think of this, but it makes sense. Vyse would fit that bill to an extent too. Hell, his Nik vote almost feels like a last ditch kind of thing but he didn't follow it up the way I'd expect desperate scum to.

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Mantis, what about Vyse's posts didn't you like? I felt like I could follow his thought process pretty well as far as his reads are concerned.

Nik, rolecop is usually a scum role too so the leap to "OMG RB must be scum" makes a little less sense.

^as the above shows, I'm unsure about Vyse. Prefer a Konowa lynch still.

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No one visited Nik.

Which makes no sense if his block didn't work.

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I blame everyone for lynching kowana prematurely. Anyway these roles make my head spin and my partners as well. Worth mentioning that with the mafia roles so far our rolecop might as well be a cop. And 2 of them have flipped. Considering the scum flavor theme our flavor cop also may well be full. Town is stacked in other words.

So we had two cops?

Forgot to:

Vote Vyse

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i blocked mantis last night.

Are no reneging on your block not working such that you're saying that mantis is cleared?

idk, scum might be ascetic to balance out all of these dang cops
i'd say she's only 90% confirmed atm, if vyse can get a result on her then she'll be 100%.

Why would Mantis be confirmed if your block didn't work?

Does Magnolia Crawford use bananas in her act? I had never heard of her.

Me neither. I actually took it as a fruit vendor crumb at most.

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Oh.

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ABR tomorrow then I guess.

Btw my flip will be JOAT, not straight watcher. But yeah ABR definitely didn't target Nik.

Unvote, Vote ABR

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ABR tomorrow

If he's just town trying to lose, it's probably Vyse.

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Fuck bankaikiller. Fuck this game. Wow. Mods, do not blame yourselves but holy shit was this incredibly frustrating.

Egg did a good job holding shit together for a while but I knew it was inevitable after our kill got blocked N1.

Yeah pretty much all of this. I did the best I could. Maybe I shouldn't have claimed to watch Nik but if I said Jake (real target) and said scum must have ninja/strongman/redirect combo, I was dead. Frame someone and I'm dead next day. My only hope was that somebody, anybody at all, would target Jake N2. Hope bank gets permabanned or something. That was ridiculous. Like this was hardly even a real game because of that which sucks because the Mods put together such a cool setup.

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Night actions for this game please?

Scum's actions:
N1:
Egg kills Vyse (fails)
Egg watches Vyse (fails)

N2:
Egg kills Jake

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Night actions for this game please?

Scum's actions:
N1:
Egg kills Vyse (fails)
Egg watches Vyse (fails)

N2:
Egg kills Jake
Egg watches Jake (Only Egg visited Jake)

^Fixed