Mini 1665: Papers, Please Mafia (Game Over)

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GLORY TO ARSTOTZKA
VOTE: UT

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UT I saw your body scan

the whoooole thing

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it's okay, you can talk to your PT about it

I will then

SCUMSLIP OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

VOTE: QUILFORD

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loljk

can we stop this Cockettes cockfight and just sheep hito, please

VOTE: Otolia

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TBH I skimmed this page bc I had just woken up

Read through p1-p2 though

Didn't think the Quil thing was that egregious? Seems like Quilford gonna Quilf to me

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goddammit mod

skimmed *p3

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ok yeah wrong song was pretty gross but

imma sheep hito for now with the conditional that id also vote WS

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I don't do RQS, sry

That's all you're getting tonight, I need to sleep

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Reck, if Otolia is lynched and flips scum, who's your best guess for buddy? I have one but I want to hear yours first.

No clue at this point, too early to draw connections IMO (or I just haven't read closely enough)

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I might as well throw my thoughts on this while I'm thinking about it. You cannot advance the game by adopting the "prey" mentality as you claim. Any advancement that happens in that case is simply a result of you allowing the perceived "hunter(s)" to do so for you.

uhhh wouldn't a "prey" mentality apply to Otolia?

Otolia's freakish defensiveness and persecution complex over basically a few early votes is a huge red flag

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I am comfortable with the oto or quil votes
back to

vote quilford...

-popcorn-

why were you voting him before this?

what makes you comfortable voting him?

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I'm still very wary of your interaction with RECK but I'm not sure either him or you are ballsy enough to do that in play sight - especially since it's a theme game with potential day-talk.

hito & I are bros outside the game

that may be why he's trying to pick my brain. that's what i just assumed was happening

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I don't claim D1.

that's it for now

burst posting when i can. finally feel not drained. probably will after this afternoon because I have nine MILLION different things to do at work. getting off my lunch break rn, will try to pop in later if possible

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Not quite. Just getting weird vibes on you sheeping me, wanted to see your independent thoughts on Otolia, figured that'd be a good question to do it.

I greatly respect you as a player, so when you caught onto something that made me go, "Huh, I could see it" and then I saw Otolia flail in response, I decided to go with you. I am in a rough space right now w/r/t time dedication to games, so of course I looked for a way to do something I felt was pro-town and productive while putting in as little effort as possible.

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The rest of your votes are irrelevant, his isn't. I was being unjustly attacked because I wasn't active enough.

Wait can you quote this? No time right now, but that's a really shitty reason to vote someone on page 7 of a game that has been open like 48 hours at most? Especially since I'm fairly sure you have more content/activity than I do

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I am comfortable with the oto or quil votes
back to

vote quilford...

-popcorn-

why were you voting him before this?

what makes you comfortable voting him?

he caught my attention with his interactions
liked the folks that were voting him...

What

interactions?

And

which

people voting him did you want to sheep?

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@Otolia: You said, specifically, that Dinare's vote was relevant and hito's didn't matter. I assumed you complaining about being attacked for inactivity was part of that. I don't believe hito voted you for inactivity -- he voted you because he found your lack of a RVS vote disturbing, from what I read. Why, then, is Dinare's vote any worse or more egregious than anyone else's?

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I thought I voted quilford
VOTE: vote quilford

oh hey, I found your original vote, PeaceBringer!

Wanna explain how I'm supposed to glean any information about what interactions you disliked from an empty vote?

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Elaborate! I am thirsty for your intellect.

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Have I ever even played a game with you?

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Have I ever even played a game with you?

yes, we have... shadows and light

I don't even remember that being a game

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Have I ever even played a game with you?

yes, we have... shadows and light

I don't even remember that being a game

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=30965
good game to forget...

I skimmed my ISO this game, I see nothing of my "meta" you invoked of not explaining shit. In fact, I saw passionate posting and explanations for my reads, so again, can you tell me why you think I'm someone who doesn't ever explain my reads?

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Dinare is scum. You should vote him.

Yeah, pro tip? Having people wagon you then going "ALL OF YOU ARE TOWN EXCEPT ONE PERSON WHO IS TOWN BECAUSE IDK" isn't a good way to get things done.

Still waiting on that response to my questions.

p.edit: I got locked in on I think two scumbags, pushed them, while rallying town around my cause and fending off Fate's bullshit wagon on me? Yes, I caught blood in the water from Pie & B&B and went for it

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That doesn't support your view at all? Unless you think applying pressure means just going BAHHH YOU'RE SCUM forever without explaining why?

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Yes, and I also explained why I wanted to kill it and kept harping on those weak points.

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VOTE: Dinare

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I thought you were defending Oto for some reason, don't mind me.

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No, the reason for my vote is because you went after Otolia using claims of inactivity when the game was still in its infancy.

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Wait, you're saying Otolia criticized people for being inactive, so you criticized him for being hypocritical?

p.edit: I didn't see these claims from Otolia

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Okay, but... Otolia was making that attack because...

jesus fuck this

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@OTOLIA: Why did you attack people's activity?

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Dinare, Otolia and Reck, could I get all of you to take a look at Kop sometime and give me your thoughts there? pls & ty.

Okay, will try to get to it after lunch

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I don't think hito's post was criticizing you for activity, though.

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Cheet, I think there's *something* in this Oto/Din thing. Do you not?

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Okay, to be fair, I have no desire to read through you vs Kop at the moment, as I'm pretty brainblasted from work, so if you can give me a cliffnotes version, I promise I will follow all links and read it.

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That's a really stupid argument, Kop

PEDIT: oh lord

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why did you quote kopXelusive posts in that, it doesnt flow

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You don't want to put someone at L-1...why?

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I'm just... so bored.
Mostly because... I can't find anything to latch onto this game. Like, almost everyone is just floating around.

Literally nobody has said anything I find good enough to really dig into. Elusive is being just that. Really expected more out of UT/Quilford thus far.

Maybe it's because my brain isn't functioning at 100% with my new job, idk.

Also, it's worth pointing out that this game has been dominated by a select few. Seems like so many players are just skirting by without engaging. Otolia/hito have put out content, sure. Not really interested in Kop/Cheety despite my attempts to be.

everyone else is just a brown murky pile of bleeeeeeeeeeeeegh

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yeah basically

Quilford, I guess, would be the one person I want to chat w/ more than anything but he's pretty AFK

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OK WE BELIEVE YOU GEEZ

DO THINGS NOW

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I would imagine the same reason I originally was unsure about putting Otolia at L-2. It would just take one person not paying attention(2 in my case), and we lose the rest of the day phase.

Why even put down the first vote????? All it would take is just 6 people not paying attention and we lose the rest of the day phase

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xReckoner, you've also been off my radar so what are you currently thinking about the game state?

I'm thinking that hito is getting townbinned for now because I don't even want to start to believe he's scum. Can reevaluate later.

I'm wanting a lot more from UT here, so he's null.

Quil's lack of activity seems null to me, which means I'll keep my standard Quilford townread until further notice.

The Kop/Cheetory thing is super boring and seems to boil down to Cheetory screaming about Kop ignoring his question. I don't think the whole IGNORE MY QUESTION thing is as relevant as people think, but whatever. I remember thinking Kop was slightly scummy earlier for a totally different reason, some little gut twinge off of a post when I was skimming, but it didn't stick with me. Cheetory is town and earnest, from my POV.

I don't even know who ChaosOmega is. Forgot GIF was playing.

Dinare v Otolia has some kind of meat to it but it's hard to chew because of how silly some of their stuff is and I truly cannot get a grasp on what's going on, there, but I think there's probably scum involved.

PeaceBringer is a weird one. I don't like how he basically made up meta/history with me in order to kind of brush off my line of questioning, but I don't know if it's genuine or not. Certainly icky, but there's also something tonally about his posts that make me think 'town' for some reason.

Uhhh who's left? Oh. Wrong Song. So WS has been posting but I have actually skipped every one of his posts because that was just the username I decided I was going to skim and worry about later. I suppose I should actually read it.

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Also the speed of Otolio's wagon makes me have that feeling that its not a scum wagon.

Speed of wagon is highly irrelevant.

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I would say that... based on the games I actually won my Paragon of Mafia Hunters scummy for... lightning fast lynches can be an incredibly powerful tool.

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Yeah that Otolia post gave me goodfeels.

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wtf

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do something

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why

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VOTE: ChaosOmega

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@Reck:

You have history with UT, does this look like his town or scum self?

I don't care about meta.

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I'm asking you about how you fucking feel about him? It's not really a meta fucking question. You have experience with him, you can read him so I'm asking you for your read on him.

You're asking how I feel about him in the context specifically of our history together. That's sort of called meta.

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I don't even know who Wrong Song is, so...I'm basically going to ignore a meta request from someone who is either hiding behind an alt or so new they shouldn't know anything about our "history" to begin w/

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post

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Still waiting on Quilford to do something.

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Nah Quil actually is busy IRL, it's not alignment related

Why do you think Quil being resolved is more important than GIF? Quil has posted 4x as much as GIF

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My next post is going to be this one.

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I find it completely absurd that you're pushing Quilford for lurking when he's inactive due to RL things. Like, really? Are we playing Baby's First Mafia Game?

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I also don't quite understand Peacebringer being in that list. not 100%

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Your PB case is alright... I agree that the whole "stick to policy stick to policy stick to policy" thing is kind of yucky, but it stops at "yucky" for me right now.

I haven't read anything Stabby has posted yet, but my scumread on Oto was curling around into a townread at the very end before he replaced out.

Wrong Song may be a good bet. I have thought "Huh I could lynch that" while skimming, at least, though I couldn't tell you why off the top of my head.

elusive is someone I've had my eye on for a bit and yeah that's probably my preference at the moment.

VOTE: elusive

sorry this isn't better, but I have a fucking migraine + hate D1s so im not gonna give much more rn

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omg ut is in this game

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Hey Xreckoner, what are your thoughts on the game? Where are your reads? Why did you bother to post "post," I mean at least some people attempt to be entertaining - why is your empty post so unoriginal and without merit?

because this game is very blegh so far and I don't really care to try yet

It's D1, gimme time

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lmao

I'll lynch PB, town aren't that wrong are they

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i am not going to be participating much on D1, im not exactly known for strong D1s, im going to wait for someone to die then someone else to die then maybe i can figure shit out

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i feel like his list is 0 for 3 though

like it's that wrong

i dunno maybe he's not scum but like im probably most ok with his lynch atm bc he's so damn wrong that it can't HURT

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Otos read list was pretty

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Iooooooo

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quil u have 1 hr

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ill be around this game more pretty soon

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Reck is mostly town but if you read his ISO, reck Quilford is real strange and if role power catches out quilford give reck real hard looks

i just know Quil's IRL situation and sympathize atm :\

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Oh my god

Mod: given activity levels and replacement, can we get more time

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Yay @nk!!

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Day one is rough and a mess but why wouldn't you be active and at least scum hunt? Why be so passive and put the work on others.

because it's too hard, ill scumhunt later when there aren't 13 players

I won't get killed and then I can start being good it's fine

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Cheetory is very town.

Trying to find his case on Kop right now.

I still think hito is town. I think. Maybe. Probably. Less town than before.

Quil is still inactive and null. Same with UT. Actually, UT's few posts are giant question marks to me, so he might actually be slightly scummy.

PB slightly scummy. elusive less so than Kop, I think.

Not sure where this puts my reads list from most to least scummy. If someone can link to the Kop-case that'd be great as I'm slammed at work atm

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I have reasons for each of those I can explain later. Lots of gut. Mostly based in shit in the game tho

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wtf

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What out of game BS?

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VOTE: kop

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i wish

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he claimed confirmable, so

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really busy this wknd scummers in town

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I don't like xReck, I haven't seen his thinking or progression of scum hunting and as I said I don't buy his excuses about first day blues. You do what you can or at least help town read you.

this is me doing what i can

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hey town, read me: im town

yw

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they're on my wiki, you could do like two seconds of digging

but i could do it as well so here

mafia with a twist 3 as scum
quil's smalltown as town

meta is really bad though so

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will hammer kop i guess when oto gets done catching up

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nvm

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T_T

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otolia LITERALLY just said to let him catch up

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Kop is at L-1.

Still catching up.

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OH i just read

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I'll give him a day or so to prove it I guess

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especially w/ flavor of track = investigate, I don't see how EZIC would have that

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not investigate, interrogate

I'm saying he's probably town because scum (EZIC) couldn't interrogate anyone

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what do you know about EZIC, comrade?

I MEAN WUT

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The FLAVOR for his 1-shot track was INTERROGATION

my point is that scum are EZIC in this game, who wouldn't be able to have that power in the flavor. They're not Arzstoska therefore they wouldn't be able to interrogate anyone

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Ank, Reck: Who's your top scumread right now?

for me it's mostly PoE

note that these reads are pretty weak atm but... PoE would say that Ank/Dinare are my preferred votes today, I think?
Maybe UT.

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VOTE: Wrong Song

sure