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[Soren]

/confirm

Also, first.

[Soren]

VOTE: hiplop

Because avatar

[Soren]

VOTE: Vilewhirl

Because OMGUS

[Soren]

Ok

[Soren]

Okay I'm going to need to know if that was a real claim Vilewhirl.

[Soren]

My vote is staying on you then.

[Soren]

VOTE: Soren

naked vote. Creating an early wagon.

what is wrong with either of these?

Opportunistic. Shows potential scumminess. Something to keep an eye on.

shows potential scumminess doesn't cut it I'm afraid. neither does opportunistic really. we're in rvs; how is this opportunistic?

wagons are a good way of finding out someone's alignment, so why shouldn't we wagon soren?

so what's stopping you from joining the wagon?

[Soren]

First, I know a lot of people in this game and I like that. Hi Anti, ABR, Shin, Farside, Soren, Sthar, and BooKitty!!!

I hope you're all town but I feel it's unlikely

Hi BBT

[Soren]

17-26?

[Soren]

Oh ok.

What bit about it did you find scummy?

[Soren]

Then you should reconsider your vote if you don't find it scummy.

[Soren]

The scummiest part of the thread was the fact You omgused . It is my best vote so far .

I'm sure you've witnessed a handful of town players OMGUS voting in your lifetime.

What's so scummy about my one?

[Soren]

Saints funny.

Not sure about your alignment but I like your attitude.

Thx life is worth a lot to someone who doesn't truly get to live

How are you not truly living?

[Soren]

I feel it too lol

[Soren]

Holy shit who was Spider-Man?

[Soren]

And Vile was obviously lieing about the double and triple vote thing now.

[Soren]

objection!

[Soren]

On what grounds?

[Soren]

I was at home.

[Soren]

solid talk guys.

And Vile was obviously lieing about the double and triple vote thing now.

what gave it away?
are you going to start trying to convince people to vote me or are you content atm?

im still waiting for macs vote.
i want to see that guy make things happen.

I'm just content that you lied.

[Soren]

┐('～`)┌

[Soren]

what are your thoughts on town saint?

[Soren]

This game lol

[Soren]

Why what happened?

[Soren]

Do you CTS or something?

[Soren]

Carpel tunnel syndrome

[Soren]

I'll be ok I'm getting released tomorrow UNVOTE: Soren

Yay, I'm happy that you'll be okay.

[Soren]

His films are pretty good tho

[Soren]

hell

no

FOS Soren

FOS me for what?

[Soren]

hi soren.
are you almost ready to try and make reasons for voting me that arent really bad?

oh, you're town now

you're too scummy to be scum atm

[Soren]

Okay. Farside is town, Dragonspawn is town, Sthar is town, Vilewhirl is town. (Not explaining these yet, just putting them down for reference.)

Soren, do you have any reads on anyone yet? What do you think of Saint?

ABR and BBT have earned my acronym badge of buddying suspicion. IGMEOY two crazy kids. If one of you drew scum, then the other one is being dumb. Neither of you have given enough content to be trusting each other like this in a game where alignments are randomly distributed.

Shinobi, Saint says he only joined the game to play with you. Shouldn't you be playing with him more? Also, Saint, your recent posting makes me wanna lynch you regardless of your alignment. Don't do that.

Antihero, you remember that game where you lurked and lurked and then we voted you and you were scum and we were all like, awesome? Cause I do.

Mac, can you give me a brief "state of the game" update from your perspective? Also, what information do you think people usually get from wagons on Day One?

I'm going to start a petition for TSQ to replace hiplop if hiplop doesn't play soon.

This post makes you town. When you adopt the role of town leader it makes you look really town.

Saint's fluff and personal attacks =/= scum. I actually think he's pretty town from it.

dragonspawn is barking up the wrong tree. mainly because i dont finding creating wagons particularly scummy.

mac doesnt appear to be taking a strong stance

farside is town

and null for the rest

[Soren]

Also, keep up with the comic panels Jingle. I love them

[Soren]

what is your read on boo?

[Soren]

I

haz

a theory but I can share after Hiplop enlightens us.

cute :3

[Soren]

VOTE: Antihero

has a solid history of lurking as scum

[Soren]

im actually glad he joined the game.

so i could vote for him for this exact reason

[Soren]

hell

no

FOS Soren

FOS me for what?

liking bad movies. solid scumtell.

Funny.

Now what's your real reason?

[Soren]

no secret codes

[Soren]

what took you so long to insert yourself into the game anti?

im kinda town reading you now

[Soren]

Have fun Boo

[Soren]

hi soren.
are you almost ready to try and make reasons for voting me that arent really bad?

oh, you're town now

you're too scummy to be scum atm

on the contrary, i find vilewhirl to be too town to be scum. what's setting off your scumfeels?

This post makes you town. When you adopt the role of town leader it makes you look really town.

Saint's fluff and personal attacks =/= scum. I actually think he's pretty town from it.

dragonspawn is barking up the wrong tree. mainly because i dont finding creating wagons particularly scummy.

mac doesnt appear to be taking a strong stance

farside is town

and null for the rest

these are some really wishy-washy reads, especially the bookitty one. what makes bookitty's attempt to 'lead' the town a pure town action? why can't scumkitty pull this stunt?

saint is definitely town.

not liking bookitty

VOTE: bookitty

what is your read on boo?

...really soren? could you not tell from the vote?

this is not the first time I feel like you're just posting to look like you're doing something.

antihero's entrance (i'm not quoting every post, no) was pretty town. he brings some different opinions to the table and i just didnt get a scumvibe from it.

Vote: Soren

A VOTE APPEARS

Viewhirl's lieing is too scummy to be scum.

He doesn't bookitty, That's not much of a read. At the very least I want to hear what specifically he doesn't like about boo.

Boo leads as town because that's what town boo does.

[Soren]

Hi Soren, what are your thoughts on the game?

they shall come in due time

[Soren]

its mainly from 166

[Soren]

you should talk about bbt. whats your read on him. what do you think of the wagon on him.

He claimed scum in 60 and was serious about it in 70. I guess he's scum. But no seriously, he claimed scum because of saint's 67. As to why BBT actually claimed scum? I don't know so I'm going to have to ask him. Hey BBT why in the world did you claim scum?

Other than that my read on him is mostly null. He catches up with the game and comments here and there, which mostly leads me to a null read.

His 285 puts the blame on everyone else. It seems like a pretty scummy thing to do because its an attempt to throw the spotlight off himself and riles people up emotionally.

[Soren]

what is vilewhirl lying about? also too scummy to be scum is absolutely fucking horrendous reasoning for a townread, but I'm sure you know that

He lied about the double and triple voting thing.

Boo leads as town because that's what town boo does.

well... thanks for the lesson i guess? but that's not what i asked. i feel like a few of this game are familiar with each other, so what is making this townbookitty 'leading' the town rather than scumbookitty emulating her town game?

I don't think scum boo leads town. Anyways, my read on boo is getting watered down until I see more posts from her.

[Soren]

Soren you want to chime in on something in the game or will you be sitting on the sidelines all game long?

im chiming as much as i can

[Soren]

So are people lynching BBT because his behavior is indicative of scum or because he's being plain anti town?

If the latter, this is a bad lynch. Which I think it is. BBT is too scummy to be scum.

[Soren]

And I don't like Vile's recent posting. A bunch of strawman to humiliate BBT and push for his lynch further.

[Soren]

So are people lynching BBT because his behavior is indicative of scum or because he's being plain anti town?

If the latter, this is a bad lynch. Which I think it is. BBT is too scummy to be scum.

Your still voting antihero. Why?

im lazy/havent found another scum read strong enough for a vote yet

[Soren]

Yay Taylor Swift ftw!

Btw ABR you need to post more.

How comes you're not offering your thoughts?

[Soren]

I feel like you're telling me I should be voting for you.

I thought you wanted me to vote you!!

[Soren]

I have no idea what's bad with Mac's post that it deserves a wagon

[Soren]

I have no idea what's bad with Mac's post that it deserves a wagon

Why aren't you bothered by hiplop?

He's barely posted so I haven't even noticed him.

[Soren]

ABR has been a big disappoint, expected him to play better but he's offered zilch to the game and he's just sarcastically sheeping people.

Having said that, that's not enough for a scum read nor is it sufficient for one. But if he keeps that up day 2 he's getting lynched.

[Soren]

i like that he is pretty chill tho

[Soren]

ok i need to catch up

[Soren]

I do have a question, which has been nagging at me for a bit:

@Soren, why do you think I'm a leader as town? What are you even basing this on? I really don't see that. Can you link a game where that was true?

I pointed it out a few times already. Because of your big post.

And it was Taylor Swift game where, in my eyes at least, you took the role of town leader.

[Soren]

Pgaes 4,5 and 6 are full of shit.

You should all be embarrassed.

townposting

Walk me through why you think that post is indicative of town please. Because I'm thinking otherwise.

[Soren]

@Shinobi- how old are you, if you don't mind me asking?

Pgaes 4,5 and 6 are full of shit.

You should all be embarrassed.

townposting

Because I don't give a fuck about meta? Yeah, that could be it.

But this makes me want to murder you to death.

I'm upset that I think I know those lyrics and it's from a Taylor Swift song.

Listen to the Postmodern Jukebox cover and you can like the song without being ashamed.

that's a JEEP tell in the early game to FoS your buddy and vote someone who is an easy mislynch

misapplied, inaccurate jeep tell. That's a +30, written by jeep himself on my tits at Mafiapalooza 2009 in Buenos Aires. I got it tattooed over the sharpie so I'd never forget.

dragon why are you voting saint?
tell me about it.

also tell me why bbt shouldnt get deaded.

well i did call him autistic

scum

i think DS is town honestly
i think hes just tunneling me

scum

sthar8 tho is easily scum because it feels like he was pushing me before this all happened (from rvs) and isnt coming off of it. feels like what scum do on epicmafia.

"sthar is scum because he RVS'd me" Oh my god, you

actually

suck.

i don't actually know if he's scumreading you or just angry with what you said earlier.

We can have carrots

and

peas!

I half wondered if he was using what happened as a crutch.
Meh I might be an ass thinking that.

Let's be totally clear here: he's scummy af for in-game reasons, and I believe he has a scum pm.

The indecent and savage pleasure I'm going to get from lynching his ass and destroying his scumteam? Only tangentially related to the game.

this entire thing is bad

unexplained town and scum reads

and responds to irrelevant things

[Soren]

I do have a question, which has been nagging at me for a bit:

@Soren, why do you think I'm a leader as town? What are you even basing this on? I really don't see that. Can you link a game where that was true?

I pointed it out a few times already. Because of your big post.

And it was Taylor Swift game where, in my eyes at least, you took the role of town leader.

I don't see how you think I was a town leader there. Maybe we have different definitions of leadership.

You drove most of the main topic of discussion in that game.

[Soren]

Saint why you voting mac?

because i dont want to be lynched
because he talked shit about me apparently
because i want to
because i can
because im town interested in self preservation and he has a higher chance of being mafia than me
because a lot of people are suspicious of him and i dont want him to coast into lategame as scum saying if he was maf he would have been lynched D1
because im not going to let someone we can lynch now live later to shoot me

tl;dr - saint doesn't have a valid reason other than "im town, so he might be mafia"

you forgot to mention the self preservation part

[Soren]

also soren is still scum because he knows i'm going to flip town.

i just want vilewhirl to come and cradle me and tell me everything is going to be ok

OBJECTION

[Soren]

i dont know why everyone shit their pants all of a sudden at the thought of a bbt lynch. i dont think hes done anything particularly town. will probably look into it when i have more time [because the flipiflopiness there feels unnatural and i dont know why].
for now,
VOTE: soren
the ultimate alternative.

refresh me with your reasons for voting for me pls

[Soren]

Waiting for an answer from Soren on the town leader thing. I'm wondering why he felt compelled to say something like that when I think it's pretty demonstrably not true.

it was your 166

you were setting your foot into the game and taking a stance

however like i said in my previous post, i havent seen much from you so the town leader read is waning

[Soren]

VOTE: saint

I'm thinking saint and but are just going to keep giving me reasons to find them scummy.

scummy=/=scum

Saint why you voting mac?

because i dont want to be lynched
because he talked shit about me apparently
because i want to
because i can
because im town interested in self preservation and he has a higher chance of being mafia than me
because a lot of people are suspicious of him and i dont want him to coast into lategame as scum saying if he was maf he would have been lynched D1
because im not going to let someone we can lynch now live later to shoot me

yeah this needs to die

you need to die

if sthar thinks hes good at mafia and thinks im scum he is sadly mistaken at both

#scumposting

it would be nicer if you would explain why it's scum posting instead of simply just saying it is without any reason

[Soren]

sthar8 has 23 posts, all of which are him being full of shit, and he started tunneling me literally in his 2nd post; he hasn't stopped.
it's very scummy to tunnel as hard as he is with 0 reasoning

"scum" "Scumposting" are things he throws out
his GREAT reasoning of "choo choo all aboard"

this is the type of illogical person full of idioms and nonsense. it's ridiculous a person like this is considered a mature adult. it's not feasible to think that this is the case though. he isn't like this. he's doing this as a ploy because he is scum. he's viewing me as an easy mislynch.

abr - null to town

antihero - scum

bbt - slight scumlean
bookitty - probably town
dragonspawn - gut town
farside22 - strong town
hiplop - i want to say town
mac - minimal townlean
shinobi - conflict of interest

soren - mafia

sthar8 - mafia

vilewhirl - null

ive actually been skimming isos for associative tells and i found some between sthar and antihero i believe, if scum have a closed QT during the day
i dont care how ridiculous it sounds, im actually putting in work and trying my best to decipher the game as a whole, instead of looking with some narrow fucking view in the present like most of you two bit pieces of shit do

i like the scum read on sthar8 because its something ive noticed too

i dont see the scum read on me tho

and why do you think that hiplop is town?

[Soren]

sthar8 has 23 posts, all of which are him being full of shit, and he started tunneling me literally in his 2nd post; he hasn't stopped.
it's very scummy to tunnel as hard as he is with 0 reasoning

"scum" "Scumposting" are things he throws out
his GREAT reasoning of "choo choo all aboard"

this is the type of illogical person full of idioms and nonsense. it's ridiculous a person like this is considered a mature adult. it's not feasible to think that this is the case though. he isn't like this. he's doing this as a ploy because he is scum. he's viewing me as an easy mislynch.

abr - null to town

antihero - scum

bbt - slight scumlean
bookitty - probably town
dragonspawn - gut town
farside22 - strong town
hiplop - i want to say town
mac - minimal townlean
shinobi - conflict of interest

soren - mafia

sthar8 - mafia

vilewhirl - null

ive actually been skimming isos for associative tells and i found some between sthar and antihero i believe, if scum have a closed QT during the day
i dont care how ridiculous it sounds, im actually putting in work and trying my best to decipher the game as a whole, instead of looking with some narrow fucking view in the present like most of you two bit pieces of shit do

scumposting

this just makes it worse.

[Soren]

btw when i said "two bit ***" it is meant to be read in a joking tone, so dont get all sensitive on me;
im an asshole, but im not mafia this game, or we would have already lynched someone, because my scumgame is much better than my towngame

my name is bill murray on teamliquid.net if you want to read up on me
i also used to play under the alias furcolow here when i was first starting playing (dont hold that against me)

oh sweet, i played on teamliquid too. they're hella active over there. like 10 pages every 12 hours, and thats just for small games

[Soren]

i dont know if youve heard of me guys.
but im like a big deal and stuff.

what are you talking about here?

[Soren]

sthar8 has 23 posts, all of which are him being full of shit, and he started tunneling me literally in his 2nd post; he hasn't stopped.
it's very scummy to tunnel as hard as he is with 0 reasoning

"scum" "Scumposting" are things he throws out
his GREAT reasoning of "choo choo all aboard"

this is the type of illogical person full of idioms and nonsense. it's ridiculous a person like this is considered a mature adult. it's not feasible to think that this is the case though. he isn't like this. he's doing this as a ploy because he is scum. he's viewing me as an easy mislynch.

abr - null to town

antihero - scum

bbt - slight scumlean
bookitty - probably town
dragonspawn - gut town
farside22 - strong town
hiplop - i want to say town
mac - minimal townlean
shinobi - conflict of interest

soren - mafia

sthar8 - mafia

vilewhirl - null

ive actually been skimming isos for associative tells and i found some between sthar and antihero i believe, if scum have a closed QT during the day
i dont care how ridiculous it sounds, im actually putting in work and trying my best to decipher the game as a whole, instead of looking with some narrow fucking view in the present like most of you two bit pieces of shit do

scumposting

you are ignorant

You're scum

[Soren]

Soren is quite obviously scum, guys.

and what's so obvious about me?

[Soren]

Spoiler: The obvious things you should have seen in Saint's last few posts that make him scum, bolded for your convenience

Saint why you voting mac?

because i dont want to be lynched
because he talked shit about me apparently
because i want to
because i can
because im town interested in self preservation and he has a higher chance of being mafia than me
because a lot of people are suspicious of him and i dont want him to coast into lategame as scum saying if he was maf he would have been lynched D1
because im not going to let someone we can lynch now live later to shoot me

This is not scumhunting. It does not care about mac's alignment. It is trying for townreads based on repeated assertion. It contains an irrational appeal to fear. It is overblown and dramatic and ham-fisted, and it obviously only advances a scum win condition.

that's a JEEP tell in the early game to FoS your buddy and vote someone who is an easy mislynch

misapplied, inaccurate jeep tell.

That's a +30, written by jeep himself on my tits at Mafiapalooza 2009 in Buenos Aires. I got it tattooed over the sharpie so I'd never forget.

dragon why are you voting saint?
tell me about it.

also tell me why bbt shouldnt get deaded.

well i did call him autistic

scum-

He's preemptively discrediting dragon's thoughts as emotionally driven and trying to focus everyone on the non-alignment-indicative strawman of his deplorable behavior.

i think DS is town honestly
i think hes just tunneling me

scum-

light buddying by calling dragon town, then discredits with a buzzword

sthar8 tho is easily scum because it feels like he was pushing me before this all happened (from rvs) and isnt coming off of it. feels like what scum do on epicmafia.

"sthar is scum because he RVS'd me" Oh my god, you

actually

suck.- also, there's a non sequitur parallel there

VOTE: saint

I'm thinking saint and but are just going to keep giving me reasons to find them scummy.

scummy=/=scum

Yes, it actually is. By definition. This is attempting to set up an impossible standard for scumhunting. We're not allowed to vote him for acting like scum because we have no positive evidence, but he's allowed to vote people for being suspicious of him.

if sthar thinks hes good at mafia and thinks im scum he is sadly mistaken at both

#scumposting-

Argument by assertion for his own towniness, ad hom discredit on me. Typical fallacious rhetorical scumgarbage. But this one goes a layer deeper. By calling me an idiot for thinking he's scum, he's assuming that I'm town. He's admitting to having definite information about my alignment

sthar8 has 23 posts, all of which are him being full of shit,

argument by assertion, ad hominem

and he started tunneling me literally in his 2nd post; he hasn't stopped.
it's very scummy to tunnel as hard as he is with 0 reasoning

buzzwording, argument by assertion

"scum" "Scumposting" are things he throws out
his GREAT reasoning of "choo choo all aboard"

horse laugh

this is the type of illogical person full of idioms and nonsense. it's ridiculous a person like this is considered a mature adult.

Ad hominem, ad lapidem

it's not feasible to think that this is the case though. he isn't like this. he's doing this as a ploy because he is scum. he's viewing me as an easy mislynch.

appeal to fear

abr - null to town
antihero - scum

no previous mention of antihero, just a sudden scumread. but there was a wagon there before, which i'm sure he'd like to see revived...

bbt - slight scumlean

another big wagon that isn't saint

bookitty - probably town
dragonspawn - gut town
farside22 - strong town

strongly pushing a wagon that isn't saint, you mean

hiplop - i want to say town
mac - minimal townlean

townread that he totally wants to lynch with a week to deadline

shinobi - conflict of interest

"I want to play with shinobi" "I cannot commit to a read of shinobi" he's fencesitting because he doesnt know if the buddying is working

soren - mafia

low hanging counterwagon

sthar8 - mafia

can't argue or buddy me off, so I must be the scum push. But he was assuming I was town just a couple posts ago...

vilewhirl - null

These reads are mostly nonsensical and fake

ive actually been skimming isos for associative tells and i found some between sthar and antihero i believe, if scum have a closed QT during the day

Pre-flip associatives. The classiest way to line up mislynches.

This whole post has nothing of substance in it. It is 100% self-preservation and manipulative rhetoric and 0% scumhunting

ok this is some good shit

[Soren]

Who are some inactive people who could be scum and need pressure?
Who has slipped?
etc

Vote: Soren

what happened to your scum read on mac?

[Soren]

You ignored my question again saint.

If you admit your behavior is scummy why should we not believe you are scum?

And for the record you still haven't told me what the town motivation for your reaction earlier was.

This just means that you don't understand what scummy=/=scum means.

[Soren]

whats the scum read on me, saint?

[Soren]

also soren is still scum because he knows i'm going to flip town.

i just want vilewhirl to come and cradle me and tell me everything is going to be ok

OBJECTION

Overruled. I'm going to allow it.

1. Are you done with finals, Soren?
2. Can you give a clear readslist of these players: Sthar, Saint, Mac?

I'm confused because of the way you're quoting things that include all of them.

Why overruled? So you think I'm scum too?

1. yes
2. I can, but I would like to know what's your interest in my reads on them in return.

sthar - his string of "scum posting" made me lean scum, he was posting that numerous times but didnt explain anything. But later he did, so my read based of that is gone now. However his case is starting to make me think he's town. So lean town read.

saint - i think he's too scummy to be scum. Scum would at least try to appear more townie. So town read.

mac - could be scum for picking on the lowest hanging fruit

i dont really know why anyone is scum reading me, no one is explaining it.

[Soren]

Who are some inactive people who could be scum and need pressure?
Who has slipped?
etc

Vote: Soren

what happened to your scum read on mac?

It's a light noise in the background.
I say you've done really nothing but butter up to boo and do next to no scum reads.


I kind of have this weird vibe about dragon that I can't explain.

i scum read anti for lurking earlier in the game

[Soren]

i like that sthar8 has a developed read on saint now

[Soren]

choooo
choooo
VOTE: saint
die die die.

i want to know your reads vile

[Soren]

can i get some explanation as to why people are scum reading me

no one is explaining

[Soren]

choooo
choooo
VOTE: saint
die die die.

i want to know your reads vile

vile

[Soren]

dont bother farside

no one seems to want to explain their read on me

[Soren]

Sorry I haven't been posting btw. Lots of stress irl. I've been reading and posting thought in the hydra PT but haven't posted before today.

Anyway, basically what I said in the PT is that a Saint lynch is the best option right now. Regardless of alignment, we get rid of a toxic, rude, egocentric player. If he's town, we get an easy wagon analysis tomorrow after scum pushes the easy mislynch. If he's scum, we lynched scum Day 1. Win/win.

PEDIT - Soren, gork posted them like a few minutes ago.

I don't like your intentions for lynching saint. You're not caring if he is scum or not.

[Soren]

unvote;
vote: hiplop

What happened?

[Soren]

Dragonspawn is scum

Discuss

[Soren]

Dragonspawn is scum

Discuss

Star is scum.
Discuss

Any specific reason?

Still rather null on star.

How are you null on him?

What do you think of his tunnel on saint?

[Soren]

Dragonspawn is scum

Discuss

Do not like.

You were gone for a while; were you taking your finals? I think one reason people were reading you as scummy is fluff (you should be used to that) and then you were just gone for a while. I assumed you were being tested; was I right?

Why do you not like?

Yes, I had exams to study for but they're over now.

Okay fluff and being gone are the usual reasons for scum reading me. Every game people scum read me day 1 for fluff lol.

I was being tested? If you mean exams then yes.

[Soren]

Dragonspawn is scum

Discuss

Based on what exactly?

I'm more than happy to discuss you're assertion but until you tell me why how exactly can I respond?

Based on the line of reasoning that if there was a scum playing the perfect town disguise it would be you. You seem to be asking the right questions but something feels off about them. Like they're a bit pushy and unnatural. But this is mainly a gut feel.

So I wanted to know what people thought about the possibility of dragonspawn being scum.

[Soren]

Dragonspawn is scum

Discuss

Star is scum.
Discuss

Any specific reason?

Still rather null on star.

How are you null on him?

What do you think of his tunnel on saint?

I like his vote on saint. Saint is my biggest scum reads.

That's not what I asked. What do you think of his act of pursuit, the way sthar went about to scum read saint.

[Soren]

Dragonspawn is scum

Discuss

Based on what exactly?

I'm more than happy to discuss you're assertion but until you tell me why how exactly can I respond?

Based on the line of reasoning that if there was a scum playing the perfect town disguise it would be you. You seem to be asking the right questions but something feels off about them. Like they're a bit pushy and unnatural. But this is mainly a gut feel.

So I wanted to know what people thought about the possibility of dragonspawn being scum.

I'm actually flattered you think I'm playing the perfect town. But I'm not playing anything.

That's very odd that you would say that you're not playing anything.

Surely you are doing

something

[Soren]

Dragonspawn is scum

Discuss

Based on what exactly?

I'm more than happy to discuss you're assertion but until you tell me why how exactly can I respond?

Based on the line of reasoning that if there was a scum playing the perfect town disguise it would be you. You seem to be asking the right questions but something feels off about them. Like they're a bit pushy and unnatural. But this is mainly a gut feel.

So I wanted to know what people thought about the possibility of dragonspawn being scum.

I'm actually flattered you think I'm playing the perfect town. But I'm not playing anything.

That's very odd that you would say that you're not playing anything.

Surely you are doing

something

Sure am. I am scum hunting. I'm just not pretending to be anything else.

Which is what you originally meant when you said playing. I don't particularly like how you started using a different meaning to try to trap me. It's deceptive.

Playing means playing. I don't know what you're trying to get at here.

[Soren]

I don't accept that as a reason.

In other news, I'm going to be busy running errands and away from computer ALL DAY tomorrow. I will try to check in when I get home but I can't promise for sure. It's not really long enough for V/LA but I wanted to give you a heads-up now.

It's still a reason.

Have you never played a game where you read someone as town because everything they did was town motivated? Or a game where a certain player was everyone's mutal town read? But in the end they turned out to be scum?

[Soren]

I didn't realize everyone was town reading me.

But if so how does that make me scum?

I'm not saying that everyone is town reading you.

I just think your actions has been pretty town. And I just don't want to be fooled again if you are mafia.

I was in a newbie game that just ended recently. The two universal and mutual town reads that everyone had, turned out to be the scum team. That is the worst defeat.

[Soren]

Tempting deal.

[Soren]

shinobi are you not not scum?

[Soren]

Soren do you have any real questions for me or no?

I haven't paid much attention to you so not really no.

[Soren]

whats scummy about hiplop

[Soren]

What's townie about Hiplop?

Answer the question please.

[Soren]

What about the actual content of his posts? What are your thoughts on those?

And I don't think he's town or scum, he's mostly null since I barely notice his presence in the game.

[Soren]

prod dodge

[Soren]

8 pages to catch up

[Soren]

Sorry! Last time I should vanish this game. Set up a charity overnight event this weekend!

Uh, I knew that.

I was...Testing you.

did I pass?

Star and hiplop who else are you scum reading and why?

Soren due to his active-lurking and complete lack of sincerity!

I still have harsh vibes coming from bookitty, but she hasn't been around much to analyze lately.

Soren just comes off hardcore as flailing scum in these latest pages

Hiplop has been tunneling Soren all game, why is he not a scum read?

Because I think he's scum, Duh!

Anyway, basically what I said in the PT is that a Saint lynch is the best option right now. Regardless of alignment, we get rid of a toxic, rude, egocentric player. If he's town, we get an easy wagon analysis tomorrow after scum pushes the easy mislynch. If he's scum, we lynched scum Day 1. Win/win.

What. The. Fuck. Policy lynches are almost always awful decisions, and this one might be on the upper tier? What has the guy done thats all that bad?

I don't like this hop off the hiplop wagon when it starts gaining traction.

Just something to note.

Traction = the guy everyone is calling a troll voting me? Erhm, okay.

In fact, Hiplop, can you explain your Shinobi town read in 399?

Dude seems far too lost/confused to be scum. I think hes trying and just not hitting his mark, lol. This is town-lurking play.

Why do you think that I'm active lurking and why does that warrant a scum read?

What posts from me do you find a lack of sincerity?

[Soren]

whats scummy about hiplop

he seemed to be buddying up to a mislynch (me)

I think there is a good chance that Shinobi & Hiplop are both scum (but that's based on associatives so it can wait until after Hiplop flips scum)

this fits shinobi's scum meta from my perspective

hiplop im not sold on as town either. what associatives have you seen from them?

I mean, we're already at 35 pages on D1. That's far, far too many.

We should have lynched someone 15 pages ago.

i completely disagree.
wholeheartedly disagree.
i feel we need 15 pages MORE, if anything.
my reasoning is that even with 35 pages there are still people i'd like to see more of before i can completely deduce a perfect lynch.

Hiplop's last post will surely drive attention off of him. It makes me feel better about his defending me. I am pretty certain he is town due to some wording in that post.

From which posts do you find hiplop buddying on your "misslynch"?

[Soren]

i reread some things in a lazy way and now i have perspective on life and things.
not really as sure as i was before on bbt's entry being scummy. i should just always read things through isos.

I think there is a good chance that Shinobi & Hiplop are both scum (but that's based on associatives so it can wait until after Hiplop flips scum)

im gonna try and play nice.
try and play nice with me too.
<3
can you tell me where youre seeing this connection?

He has 13 posts.

Your turn.

given that there are only 3 scum in the game, shouldnt the burden of proof be on you to prove why someone is being scummy vs not?
what do you make of hiplops catchup post? still scummy or no?
also is postcount really super relevant when it comes to alignment?

heres a sorencase:
i) his read on bbt goes from 'huh this guy is pretty scummy' to 'omg bbt is being wagoned by scum and is town' in a manner that just doesnt come across as being genuine.
ii) most of his questions and thoughts in his iso just dont go anywhere. he asks someone a question. they answer. you see nothing from him in terms of followup or a change in opinion. just seems like the questions are just there to make it seem like hes doing something and cares when he actually isnt doing anything with those questions or thoughts. comes across as fake.
iii)

ok this is some good shit

"ok i like saintcase but like not gonna vote it because dont wanna be actually on the wagon yoh"
iv) has been sitting on an antihero vote with old as hek reasoning for a super long time in his iso.
says this while still sitting on a vote on anti:

i scum read anti for lurking earlier in the game

Dragonspawn is scum

Discuss

still not changing votes. zzzz.

v)

That's very odd that you would say that you're not playing anything.

Surely you are doing something

this entire engage with dragon is just weird. first you say that dragon is playing at something, implying he has ulterior motives in the game. then when he says hes playing at nothing you say that hes scummy for not playing at something? how does that work exactly?

vi)

I just think your actions has been pretty town. And I just don't want to be fooled again if you are mafia.

I was in a newbie game that just ended recently. The two universal and mutual town reads that everyone had, turned out to be the scum team. That is the worst defeat.

this comes across as scum trying to overjustify a scumread. like "oh man this is why i am scumreading you, okay? its a definitely legit scumread trust me"

VOTE: soren
*drops mic*

i) why is that scummy? If anything, my read on bbt was developed based on that.

ii) I do that a lot in many games. It's not alignment indicative. Though I can see why you find it scummy.

iii) Nice straw man. More like I like it but I need to form a stronger opinion on it first before I do anything with it.

iv) I don't change my votes a lot until I get a scum read that is worth a vote.

v) more straw man. I'm not calling him scum for saying that he's playing at nothing.

vi) you are the God of straw man mate. You don try to understand peoples intentions behind what they're saying and interpreting in what ever the way you want. I'm barely even scum reading him. I'm just contemplating that he could be scum that is slipping under the radar.

And since when you did you become an MC

[Soren]

I could do ABR.

Kinky

[Soren]

@Farside:

I don't think Sthar is scummy. He pointed out another game that I'd forgotten we played together (I'm not great with remembering who's in a hydra) and this feels like his town game to me.

Antihero lurks as scum; that's not enough to earn him a vote from me yet, but I got my eye on it.

Soren is off. I just feel definitely that he is OFF and not the same perky happy cheerful townie that I know. That IS enough to earn him a vote:

VOTE: Soren

Saint was hyperreactive, overemotional, insulting and I did not like it. I don't have any meta context and so far I haven't had time to go diving for any, but I'd have to if I wanted to use these playstyle issues as a reason to vote him. So I'm chalking it up to playstyle because of my own laziness right now.

I don't like Hiplop, but I think it's just because I like TSQ and I made a joke at the beginning that if he lurked and didn't post I'd petition to have him replaced by TSQ. I can see how this would hurt someone's feelings, and I'm sorry, Hiplop; it wasn't meant as a slam at you. Though I do think you lurk a lot! Your pushes are bad and I don't like them much, so I'm also watching you.

Mac I thought was scummy, but I don't have the experience with him that I do with Soren so I'm going with the vote I'm most confident in.

BBT: Yeah, he's scummy, but it's his playstyle. I don't need to sort him today.

Others I don't really have a read on. Don't expect me to ever have a read on ABR, though. I <3 him but he's a wild man and I don't know how to read him at all.

Ide like to know what game this is with sthar pls.

Are you admitting that anti is lurking I'm this game and he has a record of lurking in scum but somehow it's not enough for a vote? Why is it not enough for a vote? What's stopping you from voting for him right now?

So you're just basing your vote on meta. If you've never played with me and had to based your read on me in this game, what is your read on me? Why does your meta read on me gain a vote but anti doesn't? Why do you think that you have a stronger grasp of my alignment over anti?

So is that a town, scum or null read on saint?

Which pushes from hiplop do you not like? Especially since he is pushing for me. The very person that you are scum reading! Is something odd with his push on me?

What was the scummy thing about Mac?

[Soren]

"my pushes are bad and i dont like them much"

votes the person im campaigning against?

gee, all my pushes must be on the wrong folks, eh?

Looks like hiplop noticed the same thing.

[Soren]

Whose opinion do you think I'm sheeping?

My meta is old, to be fair, but it's accurate for then. I didn't meta you recently. Are you suggesting that I should? Has your opinion of meta changed in the past four years?

How did you ignore hiplops 877 when you made this post?

[Soren]

do you have any thoughts on soren?

Reading and commenting on the ISO as I go.

Soren had a hell of a lot of fluff posting early on. The read on your slot in 213 is weird as well; a) I didn't think you were

that

scummy from memory (you might not have been scummy at all actually) and b) town reading someone because they're acting scummy is just plain bad.

Don't get the strong town read on Bookitty in 214 after just one significant post from Boo. His attack on Mac for not taking a stance is hypocritical at best and scummy at worst given his own posting at this point.

386 - The reasoning for the 'too scummy to be scum' read is just plain bad. It wasn't the slightest bit scummy to claim you were a double and then triple voter. Soren, can you explain how these actions are scummy?

431 - I'm not sure how I feel about this post. On first read through I thought it might be town because he wasn't looking to take advantage of the wagon that was building on me. However, his last line or two clearly show him leaning towards me being scum and not actually null as he stated earlier.

Soren, what was the scum motivation behind me getting people to react emotionally (that's not what I was doing but it's what you claimed)?

432 - Soren begins casting doubt over her strong town read of Boo after multiple people have questioned her about it. Not sure what this means yet but I don't like it.

Again with the too scummy to be scum in 435; this time talking about me. I will agree I was acting anti-town, not sure it was scummy.

I quite like 436; I see no motivation for scum!Soren to go against the grain and question one of the people pushing the leading wagon.

I also like 704 (even if I disagree with a few of the points made). His reads feel natural and fluid and I don't see them coming from scum. Hmmmm.

791 is another good post and shows a similar thought process to my own regarding DS.

Alright, I think I'm leaning town on Soren. I heavily disliked his early posting and I'm thinking it's more to do with his play-style as opposed to something that is alignment indicative. His later posts are good and some of his thoughts mirror my own.

Nothing stands out where I can say this post definitely comes from town but I have seen enough I like in his later posts to lean town on him.

On phone so not bothered to edit the quote so I'll just answers the questions pointed at me in order of them.

Because lieing is scummy.

The scum motivation is already explained in that post.

[Soren]

No point to rush a lynch.

Won't be here the rest of the day

oh don't worry

at this pace we may get to 20 hours before deadline when we get a firecrackers shoved up our collective asses and wagon someone random instead of the obvscum b/c lolepicmafia

This is pretty town, but you're not really in a position to say that since you've been mostly lurking.

[Soren]

'mkay, so nothing changed from the last time i read this thread other than you chucklefucks are letting saint get away with being a cheeky scumfuck and mac fell off the face of the earth now that the wagon's gone (shock!)

aaaaaaand there's now a wagon on soren for [reasons, that aren't good]

What a terrible catch up post. Literally elaborates on nothing, calls people's fucks and states the obvious. Whilst giving no read or trying to work the game out.

[Soren]

Lying is scummy...but it's too scummy to actually come from scum?

Yes, because it was an obvious lie.

[Soren]

I feel like I need to reread this game to really be sure of my scum reads and town reads.
I'm going to get through it this week.

i hope this is accompanied by an explanation for the bookitty townread b/c she's avoiding me and it's really fucking weird.

Are you finding it weird that boo doesn't have a strong scum read on you because you're lurking?

[Soren]

Lying is scummy...but it's too scummy to actually come from scum?

Yes, because it was an obvious lie.

Soooo....it's not actually scummy at all then?

okay I get where you're getting at now. It's flawed thinking.

[Soren]

I understand what you're saying and when I was reading his ISO I was thinking along those lines a lot. However, I think it's more play-style indicative than alignment indicative. His play-style seems very scattered, like he changes his mind a lot as he reads/rereads posts. That's the feeling I get from him.

This actually describes me pretty well. I come from a very relaxed background of mafia games so I'm not as experienced or good as the players on this site.

[Soren]

glad that anti is just coming in and sweepingly calling reasons for soren being scum bad without actually engaging it at all.

oh joy, are we playing douchespeak bingo now?
word bank: "trajectory," "interaction," "engagement," "genuine," and "turd sandwiches"

How about you actually explain why you think the wagon on me is bad instead of resorting to belittling vile's post?

[Soren]

@Antihero: You do lurk as scum. You're also smart enough to have picked up on the fact that people have noticed this. I don't know what you think I'm supposed to have gleaned from your postings that would have made you a major priority for me; because you lurk as scum, I don't have a good picture of your scum game -- you lurk too much for me to derive a clear picture there. I don't think you're scum, so you're not a focus for me right now.

I mean, what do you want of me in this regard?

This post shows a lack of clarity on your thoughts on anti. Cause it seems to me like you're agreeing that he is lurking in the game, and based on meta anti does lurk as scum, but for some reason you're not scum reading him this game for that reason?

[Soren]

Vote: Saint

good catch up, abr.

This gave me a good laugh.

[Soren]

im obviously town farside no need to investigate

Not sure if sarcasm.

How in the world are you obvious town?

[Soren]

lol don't vote me

Lol why not

[Soren]

Who do you want me to vote, BBT?

honestly what are you doing in this game abr

[Soren]

I've decided that nothing that has happened until page 40 is worth taking into consideration. I will formulate reads from this page on.

What are you serious?

[Soren]

Things I agree with:

Soren's playstyle is scattershot. He is hard to pin down as town.
He does change his mind a lot.

Things I don't agree with:

I don't think he calls people too scummy to be scum. I don't remember that anyway.
The motivation about defending BBT is like the motivation for calling me town because I was somehow a leader. It's to provide apparent content without actually getting into the nitty gritty of the game. Active lurking? I think.

I would think that votes on him would serve as motivation. He didn't even jump on me and I expected it. So I dunno.

The too scummy to be scum thing is based on recent games because, as I have mentioned already, in a newbie game that I was recently in, town reads ended up being scum, and all scum reads ended up being town. Then again, I probably shoudnt be placing so much focus from a NEWBIE game...

The probably I have with boo's read on me is that it is based on meta rather than trying to work out my alignment based on the content of the posts that I've been making in this game. She's making generic comments but not referring to specific posts and commenting on then. It makes me think that she doesn't have much of a handle in the game.

[Soren]

Yes he does.

Are you serious?

Your 1017 states that you don't suspect saint but don't provide a reason. Then someone in 1018 states the reason and you just agree with it.

[Soren]

VOTE: Mac

I'm only doing this because Shin seems to be doing better. Not sold on him but my gut tells me to look elsewhere.

I'm kinda liking far side's jump in her votes because I see town motivation in using the power of influence that a vote can have. It shows active town play.

[Soren]

Farside is giving me scum vibes.

You should really start explaining your reads instead of just stating them.

[Soren]

Caught up to page 42 but it's past midnight and I'm tired so I'll catch up with the rest tomorrow.

With anti's recent posting I'm actually quite happy with my vote staying on him.

Abr has been utter terrible.

Boo's reads feels hella off and not well thought out.

I'm quite liking BBT, his recent questioning and posting shows town motivation.

Vile loves making straw man.

Shinobi is just talking about how he isn't much invested into the game and doesn't explain his scum reads when far side questioned him.

[Soren]

Jesus christ what happened here. Ok I need to catch up.

[Soren]

He just seems toxic and careless to me. Toxic is usually hated by people and scum tend to be nicer in the beginning and buddy up.
Plus no one cares about saint. Everyone has interacted with him. There is no weird or awkward posting.
Just spazzing post that at best is null.

1) Associatives before a flip.
2) His toxic shit came after a 'joke' that he probably thought was endearing. He gets called out on it and suddenly we're all assholes because we don't 'get' him. Then take a look at all the buddying he did after that.
3) toxic is a fine scumtool anyway so your point is just wrong

The bottom of this is how I feel about star.
It's all he has pushed. It's easy and it's the only really point he's pushed all game.

See the thing is, you're pushing me for not changing my opinion when there has been no indication that I'm wrong. The only counterargument has been "saint acts like a bad person, why would he do that as scum." I hate to break it to you, but I don't think Jingle administered a personality test before he assigned the roles.

What do you mean by associative before a flip?

And why do you think that being toxic is not an indication of town, but rather it is a scum tool?

[Soren]

I will be very sad if Boo is scum

But let me finish catching up first. I'm beeing too lazy.

[Soren]

Ds: your play is not always town like. Why is saints play sone thing you attack?

Cause his play is scummy as heck and he admits it is.

My play is the same all the time. It's consistent.

Admitting to scummy play doesn't mean he is scum.

^^^^^

@Shinobi- happy birthday!

Star and hiplop who else are you scum reading and why?

Antihero, until he does something. And Shinobi, maybe. And we'll figure out who the rest of the team are after we lynch saint.

I find the antihero read particularly strange since he was doing something? i mean he practically drove a wagon on me, regardless of it being wrong, that was still something. there were much better candidates for a 'doing nothing' scumread (read:soren)

Crappy posting is more likely to piss off town than scum because scum can just skip most of it. They don't need to work out anyone's alignments.

bad logic since it's fairly easily to fake that kind of post.

also soren is still scum because he knows i'm going to flip town.

i just want vilewhirl to come and cradle me and tell me everything is going to be ok

OBJECTION

DENIED

Who are some inactive people who could be scum and need pressure?
Who has slipped?
etc

Vote: Soren

what happened to your scum read on mac?

i'm going to file this question in the under 'posting to look busy' category. farside can scumread more than one person, and vote more than one scumread. i feel like this is a veiled "why vote me??" post too.

i like saint alot better for #694. the frustration in that post feels genuine, and i feel his pain for coming from another forum on to here (as i'm sure most of us have)

mac - could be scum for picking on the lowest hanging fruit

uh

when i picked on the 'low hanging fruit' as you call yourself, there was a wagon on bbt. that was the low hanging fruit i could've went for but i chose a different branch. i don't think you get out of a scumread by claiming you're low hanging fruit either

choooo
choooo
VOTE: saint
die die die.

no, he's town

bad vote. are you following up on your policy despite the fact saint didn't call anyone else a bad word?

VOTE: Saint

maybe scum. dragonspawn - this is what you call opportunistic.

Also Shinobi thanks for making me signup for a theme which is going to attract bad players who dont have a solid grasp on reality (newsflash marvel = no grasp on reality)

you guys actually think you're superheroes or something this game

i dont even know who my character is. he's just some stupid guy.

hey come on man. i am a superhero. we are all superheroes.

but i have to say i'm getting terribly bored of the back and forths that are not really game related. they're not helping me develop my reads.

Sorry I haven't been posting btw. Lots of stress irl. I've been reading and posting thought in the hydra PT but haven't posted before today.

Anyway, basically what I said in the PT is that a Saint lynch is the best option right now. Regardless of alignment, we get rid of a toxic, rude, egocentric player. If he's town, we get an easy wagon analysis tomorrow after scum pushes the easy mislynch. If he's scum, we lynched scum Day 1. Win/win.

PEDIT - Soren, gork posted them like a few minutes ago.

this makes literally no sense. you are offering to policy lynch saint and then claim we'll get easy wagon analysis tomorrow. how can we get wagon analysis off a policy lynch?

:badposting: i take back my townread on vilewhirl big time.

UNVOTE:

for now

I'm actually liking this entire post. There's a clear mindset here and a deep line of thought.

[Soren]

VOTE: Farside

What's the reason here?

[Soren]

42 page D1...my word.

What is so bad about that? Surely it means that we have good content to work with.

[Soren]

Anyone disagree with me that Bookitty's reasoning for voting Soren is weak and opportunistic?

If not, join the wagon.

Today's lynch has finally been decided.

I think most of her reads are pretty weak.

[Soren]

VOTE: Bookitty

This is a serious vote.

On p44.

Were your previous votes not serious?

I rather like boos reasoning. I had the same line of questioning. I couldn't figure out why boo was being called a leader. It made no sense since we were at the beginning of the day and boo wasn't posting much.

Which reasoning do you like from boo? And does that give you a town read of her?

[Soren]

I also believe Anti is town. However, I think Soren is town as well.

I don't think that post is as alignment indicative as people are trying to make out. It was one post.

Why are you town reading Boo?

Why is anti town? His postings has been poor.

[Soren]

Okay I'm officially sold and I thought about it more.

Vote: boo

Ah, Farside.

When I flip town, please look at my wagon. I'm counting on those of you not on my wagon to do this, because the folks on it sure aren't going to want that to happen.

And BBT? I still offer my fabulous once-in-a-lifetime offer. I'll even vote myself if you will agree to be the lynch tomorrow when I flip town. You're confident, right?

Making a deal to scare BBT off your lynch hmmmm

[Soren]

On another note, I am loving your activity levels now you're coming under suspicion.

I noticed this too.

I mean I questioned Boo's reads in my 1070 but it seems as though she ignored my questioning until you started pushing the Boo lynch.

[Soren]

Then again, it's natural to defend yourself. So meh.

[Soren]

I don't care

Go for it. I'm VT so it's not a huge deal anyway.

I joined to play with Soren and Farside and neither one has been around so much, so I'm okay with this.

Aw, I wanted to play with you longer

[Soren]

Spoiler:

Ds: your play is not always town like. Why is saints play sone thing you attack?

Cause his play is scummy as heck and he admits it is.

My play is the same all the time. It's consistent.

Admitting to scummy play doesn't mean he is scum.

^^^^^

@Shinobi- happy birthday!

Star and hiplop who else are you scum reading and why?

Antihero, until he does something. And Shinobi, maybe. And we'll figure out who the rest of the team are after we lynch saint.

I find the antihero read particularly strange since he was doing something? i mean he practically drove a wagon on me, regardless of it being wrong, that was still something. there were much better candidates for a 'doing nothing' scumread (read:soren)

Crappy posting is more likely to piss off town than scum because scum can just skip most of it. They don't need to work out anyone's alignments.

bad logic since it's fairly easily to fake that kind of post.

also soren is still scum because he knows i'm going to flip town.

i just want vilewhirl to come and cradle me and tell me everything is going to be ok

OBJECTION

DENIED

Who are some inactive people who could be scum and need pressure?
Who has slipped?
etc

Vote: Soren

what happened to your scum read on mac?

i'm going to file this question in the under 'posting to look busy' category. farside can scumread more than one person, and vote more than one scumread. i feel like this is a veiled "why vote me??" post too.

i like saint alot better for #694. the frustration in that post feels genuine, and i feel his pain for coming from another forum on to here (as i'm sure most of us have)

mac - could be scum for picking on the lowest hanging fruit

uh

when i picked on the 'low hanging fruit' as you call yourself, there was a wagon on bbt. that was the low hanging fruit i could've went for but i chose a different branch. i don't think you get out of a scumread by claiming you're low hanging fruit either

choooo
choooo
VOTE: saint
die die die.

no, he's town

bad vote. are you following up on your policy despite the fact saint didn't call anyone else a bad word?

VOTE: Saint

maybe scum. dragonspawn - this is what you call opportunistic.

Also Shinobi thanks for making me signup for a theme which is going to attract bad players who dont have a solid grasp on reality (newsflash marvel = no grasp on reality)

you guys actually think you're superheroes or something this game

i dont even know who my character is. he's just some stupid guy.

hey come on man. i am a superhero. we are all superheroes.

but i have to say i'm getting terribly bored of the back and forths that are not really game related. they're not helping me develop my reads.

Sorry I haven't been posting btw. Lots of stress irl. I've been reading and posting thought in the hydra PT but haven't posted before today.

Anyway, basically what I said in the PT is that a Saint lynch is the best option right now. Regardless of alignment, we get rid of a toxic, rude, egocentric player. If he's town, we get an easy wagon analysis tomorrow after scum pushes the easy mislynch. If he's scum, we lynched scum Day 1. Win/win.

PEDIT - Soren, gork posted them like a few minutes ago.

this makes literally no sense. you are offering to policy lynch saint and then claim we'll get easy wagon analysis tomorrow. how can we get wagon analysis off a policy lynch?

:badposting: i take back my townread on vilewhirl big time.

UNVOTE:

for now

I'm actually liking this entire post. There's a clear mindset here and a deep line of thought.

What exactly does that mean?

Nothing really, I'm just saying that I like his post.

[Soren]

Not the point. If you're town, Soren, I expect you to avenge me. If you don't, I'm going to be very very upset with you and I'm going to disavow your signature in every game we're in together.

If you're scum, that's different, but if you're town, you better avenge me.

And it's okay for you to vote me now.

Whaaat?

[Soren]

like, i think boo's coming across as pretty genuine.
bbts push is based on semantics and is ignoring that overfocus on a person can cause frustration and an unwillingness to respond to things, even from town.

i have yet to see a single town thing come out of abrs mouth in his what like 15 posts that hes made while here?
why would anyone object to lynching him?

p-edit: my read on mac is complicated because i disliked the crap he said about me in his last post and im not sure if im disliking him solely on that merit which is making me feel confused about a read on him.
i would definitely vote him over boo though.

i need to actually do things today so i cant respond to the scarecrow accusations that soren is throwing at me atm.
i care more about pushing the game in the right direction while i am here and boo feels like the wrong direction.

I am accusing you?

[Soren]

accusing me of being a scarecrow full of straw.

gotcha

[Soren]

I think Anti should be lynched today.

[Soren]

pitch me mac being scum.
i'll consider it after i collect materials for making nachos.

Most of his posts are centered around catchup and filler, and the few that aren't are compromised of the kind of skin-deep analysis I would expect from scum.

Pedit: Why anti?

He's lurking.

And my reasoning from my 1078 and 1086

[Soren]

Bookittys response to her wagon is fucking awful

going to need more of a reason than just "awful"

[Soren]

Someone needs to write a wiki article about "How to maintain a healthy friendship with friends that you constantly play with in mafia".

[Soren]

Someone needs to write a wiki article about "How to maintain a healthy friendship with friends that you constantly play with in mafia".

*burns book*
*laughs like a maniac*

you can't burn an internet article :p

[Soren]

lets lynch anti

[Soren]

to head off the obvious joke, yes that describes my love life as well

i feel you bro

[Soren]

VOTE: mac

FARSIDE, DRAGONSPAWN
TO ARMS

Thoughts on BBT vs Boo?

I'm not seeing any recent posts from Mac that would make you vote for him. Please do some explaining in this anti, there is a lack of it and it's coming off as really scummy. Especially from you.

[Soren]

can we seriously please lynch me instead?
because theres literally no way that whatever portion of this group is town is going to win this game and i dont want to get invested and watch it all crash and burn.

If you are town, please impart some wisdom instead of backing out.

[Soren]

Soren & Shinobi, what do you guys think about Dragon?

Wouldn't argue against him being lynched.

[Soren]

if the last few pages arent me imparting some wisdom then i dont know what i can do.
i can give inspirational quotes?

I didn't read those when I made that post because I comment as I catch up.

Some inspirational quotes would be nice though.

[Soren]

Can you vote him then?

Yup. VOTE: dragonspawn

[Soren]

Can you vote him then?

Yup. VOTE: dragonspawn

[Soren]

accidentally clicked submit twice

[Soren]

What happened to the boo wagon?

Something something if she was scum there would be a counter wagon by now. I think.

[Soren]

whats the vote count

[Soren]

we really need a vote count

[Soren]

Soren. Sorry, Soren, but you're not the bright and sparkly presence I know. I know it's not your fault, but I think you drew scum this time, and I'm sorry.

Aw, I'm happy to hear that I have that kind of presence ^~^

[Soren]

Soren. Sorry, Soren, but you're not the bright and sparkly presence I know. I know it's not your fault, but I think you drew scum this time, and I'm sorry.

Aw, I'm happy to hear that I have that kind of presence ^~^

<3 If you're town, I am counting on you to put their feet to the fire tomorrow. I am okay with you voting me to end this annoying day, too.

I am town If you end up getting lynched and flip town then you can count on me. I've got your back Boo <3

[Soren]

Boo is town.

[Soren]

Because*

[Soren]

Soren, are you a doublevoter?

no

[Soren]

Oh man this is going so fast. I haven't even read from p57

[Soren]

There is also 0 fucking town motivation to asking to be lynched

I don't think boo's asking to be lynched is town motivated nor scum motivated. She just doesn't want to play the game anymore because she's not enjoying it. However, she does think that her flip will be informative for town, which is town motivated.

[Soren]

Okay, here are my reads. I don't expect to be around this evening, so I want to put these out there now regardless of how things turn out.

My Fabulous Scum Reads:

Farside. Farside is never wrong on me unless she's scum. She's not someone who just flops onto a wagon with no real commentary and vague imprecations about behavioural tells. I've been wrong on her plenty, but her being wrong on me either speaks to disengagement (and she refuted that angrily, remember) or to her being scum.

Soren. Sorry, Soren, but you're not the bright and sparkly presence I know. I know it's not your fault, but I think you drew scum this time, and I'm sorry.

BlueBloodedToffee. I don't know. I think he's scum, and I hate that he dragged himself off my wagon for what look like artificial reasons.

Saint. I don't like his play and I find it kind of funny that he's setting himself up as the paragon of maturity This could be scum.



My Meh, Mediocre or Mysterious:

Albert B. Rampage. This is his town play. It's also his scum play. Don't let him get to LYLO, that's my advice.

Antihero. Stop active lurking, you lurk sack! I remember SmallTown and I won't hesitate if you don't start being the magnificent townbeast that I know you can be. (Soren, if I die, this is on you, because you were there for the other time Anti lurked and was scum.)

Hiplop. I want to say disaffected or lost town? But he'll get mad so let's just say I think he's horribly scummy and should be lynched as soon as I care enough to try to figure out why.

Mac. I'm not scumreading him anymore. I didn't like something something wagons something early on, but I don't think he's terrible now.


The Terrific Townies:

Shinobi. I don't see scum being willing to jump ON my wagon and back off while saying they don't feel confident anywhere. It's so easy just to skate and not to do anything. I am thinking this guy is town.

VileWhirl. I thought about this long and hard. VileWhirl apparently feels like I do, that this game is not what I expected and that I do not like. I think this makes him town. Which is cool, because I think he's awesome.

Dragonspawn. I don't care that he didn't defend me. I don't think he has been around that much and I don't think it's a telling argument, especially considering the mountain of crap dumped on Vilewhirl just for pushing back regarding my wagon. So not interested in this wagon.

Sthar8. He's town, I'll almost guarantee it based on previous experience and his general attitude.


I'm not going to vote someone I think is probably town just to save myself, especially given how cranky I feel about Farside being scum. I don't blame her, it just makes me sad.

I <3 you all, though, guys.

I will be your living legacy if you get lynched and flip town.

However, I getting town reads on saint and BBT. However they can be reviewed further. I understand BBT's reasoning but I don't exactly like BBT's jump from you to dragon.

Farside I could probably work with. I haven't really been able to read her this game though.

And I am always down for lynching anti.

[Soren]

And no asking to be lynched is not the opposit of AtE, because it is an appeal that people think come only from town, which is false

I have yet to live in a world where AtE consists of "please lynch me."
That's not AtE; that's just telling people to lynch you.
Which is generally a bad thing as scum.

If anything, it falls under martyring, which is towny.

*puts arm around shin*
Son I'm going to tell you some hard facts.
It may hurt to hear this......
People lie. They use what tools they can to manipulate people.
I know.
I know.
It's a hard fact of mafia and playing the game, but that's just a fact you need to come to terms with.
This isn't let's be friends and hold hands.
This is finding scum and understanding motivation.

I like this story. I will tell my kids this story if I ever get any.

[Soren]

can someone briefly summarise the last few pages and who we may be compomising on?

Lynch dragonspawn

[Soren]

Let's lynch anti right now. Who's down

[Soren]

VOTE: antihero

[Soren]

Flash wagon anti pls

[Soren]

Back to dragon in that case.

VOTE: dragonspawn

[Soren]

Nope

I think you should.

[Soren]

There's 30 minutes left.

[Soren]

And?
Do you want to make the deal Soren?

It's a deal.

[Soren]

Dragon is only L-2...

Are we actually going to no lynch.

People really need to vote for dragon right now.

[Soren]

The next time someone says 'Why you trying to push for a lynch, we still have X days left'.

Just link them to this game. Then vote them.

I can see this happening

[Soren]

How did you get the jack of all trades title, BBT?

[Soren]

Like, I can see him, right there in the playerlist.

Online.

Not giving a fuck.

Lol.

I see him too.

[Soren]

Hey mod can you pm sthar and tell him to come to the thread pls

[Soren]

VOTE: Dragonspawn

JUST
KILL SOMEONE
IT DOESN'T MATTER ANYMORE

You were already voting for him

[Soren]

I don't know if this is breaking the rules or not but it's not an ongoing game sooo....

Sthar is here, right now, chatting in the games main lobby chat tab.

Like, he is actually online, on this fucking website, right fucking now.

What is this chat tab?

[Soren]

Sigh

7 minutes

[Soren]

I can't remember how I activated it. It was an option in the settings somewhere.

But it's basically a main chat lobby where everyone talks.

You can also message people for 1 on 1 chats.

We have 7 minutes.

I need to find this main chat lobby.

Thanks.

[Soren]

5 minutes.

Will sthar show up

[Soren]

But i dont want to lynch boo

[Soren]

I love boo. I can't lynch her

[Soren]

Are there enough people to lynch boo? Because we need a lynch but i dont want to be a part of it.

[Soren]

I think vile hammered

[Soren]

RIP boo

[Soren]

VOTE: boo

just in case

Omg fuck you

[Soren]

What a little shit

He has was fucking lurking

[Soren]

Ok i apologise for being hostile

But you're getting lynched tmrw.

[Soren]

Scum team is dragon, Farside and star

[Soren]

I'm more upset that I was wrong about boo.
Not that anyone will believe me

You're saying that she's town now?

[Soren]

Boo. I'm sad

Don't leave me ;(

[Soren]

The force will be with you, Soren. Always. <3

Aw thank you <3

I will miss you ~