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/confirm

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VOTE: Soren

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I'm gonna give this game a read now.

Hopefully we have some nice wagons forming.

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First, I know a lot of people in this game and I like that. Hi Anti, ABR, Shin, Farside, Soren, Sthar, and BooKitty!!!

I hope you're all town but I feel it's unlikely

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm scum.

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Seriously though.

I am.

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23 - Scummy. Role-fishing. Could have waited for VC.

24 - Do you find creating wagons is a bad thing?

31 - Can you explain the opportunism behind my vote Dragon?

38 - Dragon, you seem to have a problem with Mac but maintain your RVS vote on me. Any reason for this?

52 - Dragon, why did you question Anti's vote but not Farside's?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

ME!

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Catching up on this tonight.

I swear.

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I'm here and I'm catching up.

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Pgaes 4,5 and 6 are full of shit.

You should all be embarrassed.

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164 - Dragon, it was early game but it gave me the wrong kind of vibes. Like, Soren could quite easily just wait for a VC to find out the truth instead of fishing for it.

OK, so you have no problem with wagons but you keep your eye on me for creating/joining a wagon. Got it.

Do you think I would have been able to sit on the RVS wagon all the way to lynch and not be questioned on it. Further, if I somehow did manage to do this, do you think I could explain my way out of it on the following Day?

For you to believe me vote was opportunistic, you would have to believe the RVS wagon had a very serious chance of becoming the first lynch. Do you believe this to be the case?

I have no opinion on Mac so far. Null.

I think nothing of either Anti's vote nor Farside's vote on Mac.

165 - The vote on me however is gonna need some explaining. Looking forward to seeing it.

166 - Boo, I don't get any of the town reads in this post and I hope you explain them in the coming pages.

169 - Dragon, can you expand on your reads in this post please?

172 - Why Farside, ABR?

Vote: Farside

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185 - Farside, given you think ABR manipulates people he has a relationship with when he is scum, and he asked if anyone wanted to work with him, it seems like your vote should be on ABR, no?

189 - This is funny from Boo because I'm getting the exact same feelings re: Boo/Farside. I don't understand where the town reads on each other have come from.

191 - Farside, you're misrepping pretty heavily here. Like, really badly.

193 - Why the vote, Vilewhirl?

196 - ABR, you get me lad. You. Get. Me. We can crush this game.

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201 - Absolutely not alignment indicative. At all.

213 - Too scummy to be scum...I hate that. Can you explain how Vile is acting so scummy, Soren?

214 - The key here is 'look town'. I quite often adopt the role of town leader as scum, so yeah, I'm finding that quite a weak reason for the town read.

222 - This vote isn't bad though, although it seems a little early to accuse someone of lurking.

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227 - Not sure if I have a problem with Saint or his play-style but something about him is pinging me.

Anti looks better on this page.

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254 - This vote is bad. I see you voted someone else later, but still, bad.

259 - Umm, is this really OMGUS Anti?

This game is so bad to read. So much fluff/bullshit flying around.

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282 - I wish people would stop trying to meta read me. I really, really, really, really would. I do all of those things you just mentioned as scum, so...

I just want ABR to be town. I don't know whether he is or not. His lack of involvement in this game is somewhat concerning to me.

283 - Shin knows.

298 - Farside, the major difference is I replaced in and you said 'Hey BBT, I hope you're town'. I didn't know you when you said this, that is why it felt weird to me. I was pretty much an unknown to you and it felt like immediate buddying.

I said hi to all the people I know/have played with. Big, big difference (I know we were in an ongoing when I replaced in, but we hadn't interacted much and I was out of the ongoing by the time I replaced into the Open.

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Alright, I'm caught up and have no reads.

Discuss.

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Farside could be scum.

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What are you doing Anti?

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Trying to work out why you're voting for me when you know full well I'm not scum.

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And, if you seriously think I'm scum, I want you to explain why.

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I am?

Wanna point out what was terrible about it?

This game has been an absolute joke so far.

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Because I didn't like her interactions with Boo.

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Also, her thought process suggests to me she should be voting ABR and not me.

Also also, her reason for scum reading me is weak as fuck. Have you read it?

Go read it.

PEdit - The interaction where they super duper town read each other within 3 posts.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

OK, so I had reads.

Now what?

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Oh really?

Tell me more.

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I expressed what I disliked about your interaction.

For some that supposedly read the thread

he

she seems to miss a lot.

Now, what is wrong with my post you quoted?

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Yeah, and I countered that reasoning.

Are you reading Farside or being selective in what you choose to present?

Me and ABR have history. He explained it pretty well.

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Mod, can we get a VC please?

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Oh, then why are you pretending that I haven't responded to it?

I mean, we both know your reasoning is bad. You should accept it.

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Meta. Fantastic.

Your reasoning for voting me is still weak. Seriously.

Also, when I said 3 posts, I meant 166, 167 and 168.

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Because I don't give a fuck about meta? Yeah, that could be it.

I referred to both of you, correct. Is that not an interaction between the two of you that I just linked?

No, I wasn't. I was attempting to get a read on ABR.

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Win? You have to make sense before you win.

You would have to assume that I was scum and ABR was town for me to buddy him...reasons for ABR town read?

I had reads, I lied.

I've addressed each of your points and countered them. Just because you're pretending I haven't done so, that doesn't make it true.

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Well, sure, that's not great.

But mostly because I feel there has been too much fluff and not enough game related content.

I would like some resistance to my wagon. Where is it?

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Ugh, that's not a very healthy VC is it.

We should do something about that.

VOTE: Farside

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I thought I had more than 3 votes as well.

Shin and ABR should come talk to me so we can sort something out.

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And when they do?

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I can't get into this game at all and I don't know why given there are a load people here I enjoy playing with.

Vilewhirl, you can have whatever you like if I flip scum. It's not happening.

Dragon, Saint and Mac are rubbing me the wrong way though. I guess I could lynch one of them.

*Goes to check VC*.

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VOTE: Saint

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Hi Soren, what are your thoughts on the game?

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I need to try and get into this game.

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Sweet.

People should look at ease and speed of my wagon, followed by shit reasoning to conclude that there is probably more than one scum already voting me.

I have no idea how close I am to being lynched. L-2 or L-1 is my guess.

No excuse for derphammers now I have stated this.

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LOL.

I look forward to the apologies after my flip.

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I didn't see your questions Vile.

Mod, can we get a VC please?

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Wow, that seems a bit far.

Where the fuck has that come from Farside?

What have I done that deems me worthy of blacklisting.

I'm telling you I'm town so you better back that comment up right now.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

OK, so because I'm having a bad game you think that's worthy of blacklisting?

Fuck you.

VOTE: Farside

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Tbh, I don't really care what you think.

I'm not into this game reads wise. I hated rereading because the game was full of shit and there is no way I'm doing it again.

So I'm left here with a wagon on me and not much I can do about it.

I'd be pretty happy to get lynched tbh.

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I don't replace out of games. I have only ever done it once (and that was because of a personal issue with another player)

There is a serious lack of content in this game, that much is pretty obvious. Like, the people who are voting me are doing so on dog shit reasons.

I might get around to this game if I can ever muster up the energy to give a shit about it.

I'd much prefer to get lynched though. ABR's absence in this game should not go unnoticed either.

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I'm upset that I think I know those lyrics and it's from a Taylor Swift song.

Anyway, enough of this content that is not game related.

ABR, how are you?

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Vilewhirl, your read is so far off it's not even funny.

Is this Bulge or Gorkington? I have a feeling it's the latter.

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Of course I can.

Where did I call you scum Vilewhirl?

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Ah, I see.

So, I haven't actually called you scum? Got it.

I also did not say my wagon was scum driven.

You're plucking things from thin air. Why are you doing that?

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Scum driven implies scum are driving the wagon.

That would imply scum were on my wagon early.

Stop embarrassing yourself and misrepping like a motherfucker.

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If I were to be completely honest, outside of you and Farside, I have no idea who is voting for me.

I have no idea of my wagon composition either.

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I mean, everyone who has voted me has just piggy-backed off of the first piece of shit reasoning that was presented and therefore everyone just merges into one big pile of utter shit.

I hope that clears things up for you.

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Could be.

I can't see all of town being this bad.

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I voted Farside because she was being a dick.

Not because I think she is scum.

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Why the change of vote?

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Because?

How many people are lurking in this game?

Shinobi, ABR, Hiplop...anyone else?

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I got you were being sarcastic.

I was hoping for reasoning for the change in vote.

PEdit - I'm being a shit? When you're pushing a fucking shit case on me what the fuck do you want me to do?

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That was obviously aimed at me.

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UNVOTE:

I'd be surprised if Vile or Farside are scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm not scum.

I feel that should be obvious. My scum game is actually half decent and I would be embarrassed if I was scum here.

I didn't see your questions.

Hi Anti! Where have you been?

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VOTE: Hiplop

Sheeping Farside.

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You were voting me Anti?

Why?

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I don't like when you're not active ABR. Makes me think you could be scum.

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I feel like you're telling me I should be voting for you.

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And I'm not doing that now?

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I'm glad you're not bitter! I felt pretty guilty at certain parts of that game.

PEdit - ABR, wtf you doing?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Why would I want you to vote me?

It looked like your posts were coming from scum.

The fact you have joined my wagon makes that feeling worse.

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Add Anti into the 'surprised if flipped scum' pile.

VOTE: Mac

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No, ABR.

Are you scum? You should answer this honestly.

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Any reason you're looking so desperate to get off my wagon now it's cooling down?

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No I'm not scum.

Great, wanna take your vote off of me now?

who exactly is desperate to get off your wagon?

You.

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So you're not thinking about getting off my wagon?

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You should stay on my wagon then.

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Soooo, we should get another vote on Mac and then have intent stated.

That would move the game forward.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Soooo, we should get another vote on Mac and then have intent stated.

That would move the game forward.

Hi Mac.

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Just letting you know I'm still here.

Waiting for someone to state intent so we can get a claim and move the game forward.

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I could see Saint being scum.

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Saint, what town game did you read and what differences did you note?

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UNVOTE:

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Saint's vote looks pretty bad. A VC right now would be nice.

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Vote Count 1.4

Mac (L-2): Bookitty, Antihero, BlueBloodedToffee, farside22, Albert B. Rampage,
BlueBloodedToffee (L-4): Vilewhirl, Saint, dragonspawn,
Soren (L-5): Mac, hiplop,
Saint (L-6): sthar8,
Antihero (L-6): Soren,
hiplop (L-6): Shinobi,
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Adding Saint in, I think Saint.

Boo hasn't done much, but other than that, it's actually a pretty town looking wagon.

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The fact it's still there is worrying though.

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VOTE: Saint

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Saint has a point that Sthar is using his tunnel on him to prevent engaging with other people and providing other reads.

PEdit - You did? Why is that?

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Saint, you have an ego problem my friend.

You should address that if you want to enjoy your stay on this site.

PEdit - Tony Stark is Ironman, no?

Gorkington, you're really bad at this game.

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I'm a nice guy, what can I say.

What are your full reads Saint?

PEdit - Vile, why am I scum?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You're terrible.

Now, why am I scum? Why are you shutting down discussion with me?

@Saint - Ironman does not make you town.

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Sthar, can I get a reads list from you?

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Saint, I don't think Anti is scum.

I could see Vile or Sthar being scum.

I actually quite like that reads list.

UNVOTE:

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Explain scum read on Anti?

I keep forgetting Shinobi is in this game.

I could wagon Shinobi.

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I liked his interactions with me.

I also don't think he needed to unvote me if he was scum either.

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I think he has been useful when he has been posting.

Yeah, he isn't super active, but when he is here his posting is good.

Why would he unvote me as scum? What is the scum motivation behind him bringing up my town meta to defend me when I was the leading wagon?

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Hey Vile,

Why am I scum?

PEdit - What don't you like about it?

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VOTE: Hiplop

Need to see more from this slot.

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UNVOTE:

I don't think hiplop is necessarily scummy but I'm having a hard time figuring out where to put my vote next.

I don't like this hop off the hiplop wagon when it starts gaining traction.

Just something to note.

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Pagetop.

A hiplop wagon should be forming.

I fail to see why it isn't.

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What's townie about Hiplop?

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I think there is a good chance that Shinobi & Hiplop are both scum (but that's based on associatives so it can wait until after Hiplop flips scum)

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He has 13 posts.

Your turn.

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In fact, Hiplop, can you explain your Shinobi town read in 399?

PEdit - Do you think a wagon forming may help to develop your read on him?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I mean, we're already at 35 pages on D1. That's far, far too many.

We should have lynched someone 15 pages ago.

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Vile, it's mainly Shinobi jumping off the Hiplop wagon.

Like, he left his vote there for a long time and appeared disinterested in the game. Yet, as soon as Hiplop starts gaining a wagon Shinobi appears to be paying enough attention to jump off the wagon. It just didn't feel right; I feel like Shinobi is reading along and is fully aware with what's going on but not letting anybody else know this.

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I don't know.

Shin was voting him, then Saint voted him and I voted him.

Then Shin unvoted.

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I could do ABR.

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Let me ISO him and I'll get back to you later on.

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do you have any thoughts on soren?

Reading and commenting on the ISO as I go.

Soren had a hell of a lot of fluff posting early on. The read on your slot in 213 is weird as well; a) I didn't think you were

that

scummy from memory (you might not have been scummy at all actually) and b) town reading someone because they're acting scummy is just plain bad.

Don't get the strong town read on Bookitty in 214 after just one significant post from Boo. His attack on Mac for not taking a stance is hypocritical at best and scummy at worst given his own posting at this point.

386 - The reasoning for the 'too scummy to be scum' read is just plain bad. It wasn't the slightest bit scummy to claim you were a double and then triple voter. Soren, can you explain how these actions are scummy?

431 - I'm not sure how I feel about this post. On first read through I thought it might be town because he wasn't looking to take advantage of the wagon that was building on me. However, his last line or two clearly show him leaning towards me being scum and not actually null as he stated earlier.

Soren, what was the scum motivation behind me getting people to react emotionally (that's not what I was doing but it's what you claimed)?

432 - Soren begins casting doubt over her strong town read of Boo after multiple people have questioned her about it. Not sure what this means yet but I don't like it.

Again with the too scummy to be scum in 435; this time talking about me. I will agree I was acting anti-town, not sure it was scummy.

I quite like 436; I see no motivation for scum!Soren to go against the grain and question one of the people pushing the leading wagon.

I also like 704 (even if I disagree with a few of the points made). His reads feel natural and fluid and I don't see them coming from scum. Hmmmm.

791 is another good post and shows a similar thought process to my own regarding DS.

Alright, I think I'm leaning town on Soren. I heavily disliked his early posting and I'm thinking it's more to do with his play-style as opposed to something that is alignment indicative. His later posts are good and some of his thoughts mirror my own.

Nothing stands out where I can say this post definitely comes from town but I have seen enough I like in his later posts to lean town on him.

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Mod, can you prod/replace ABR please?

Sthar is also due another prod.

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VOTE: Saint

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You have no response to my ISO of Soren after asking me what I think of him?

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I understand what you're saying and when I was reading his ISO I was thinking along those lines a lot. However, I think it's more play-style indicative than alignment indicative. His play-style seems very scattered, like he changes his mind a lot as he reads/rereads posts. That's the feeling I get from him.

'Too scummy to be scum' is complete BS though and that needs to be dropped. He uses 'too scummy to be scum' to town read at least 3 people from memory; I guess it's just his 'thing' but yeah, I don't like it.

Again though, what is his scum motivation to put his neck on the line and defend me when I was coming under heavy fire? I feel like he could have just left it to go on and paid no attention to it or he could have joined in.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That Soren wagon is all kinds of ugly.

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The amount of prod dodging in this game is embarrassing.

I think I would happily lynch every person on the Soren wagon; except maybe Vile.

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Yeah, 37 pages is enough for D1. More than enough.

Votes on Saint please.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Why?

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Who do you propose as a better alternative?

PEdit - I'm guessing Sthar?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I could lynch Shin.

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Your play is pretty scummy tbh.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Your lack of scum hunting is alarming.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

^^^ @Shinobi.

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I don't want to lynch you 'badly'. I thought you were a good D1 lynch but Farside had some good points.

So now I'm thinking Shinobi is a good D1 lynch but it's getting close to deadline so I'm not particularly fist pumping at the thought of jumping off one of the bigger wagons to start a new one.

Vile, you interested in a Shinobi lynch?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You have had like, 12 days or whatever to post, so....yeah.

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Farside's points for Saint not being scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Except that doesn't really relate to me at all?

Correct.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Your lack of scum hunting.

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You can pay attention and not scum hunt.

I'm not sure why you're suggesting that's not possible.

Are you saying you have been scum hunting? Can you show me examples of you scum hunting?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Are you going to show me examples of scum hunting or not?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Is that because you haven't been doing any of it?

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VOTE: Shinobi

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't know what's funny.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I feel like it's been very straight forward.

What happened to the way you play Mafia, Shin? Why have you changed your play-style so much?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Compare your play from our first game together to the way you play now. It's completely different.

This isn't a meta argument btw, I'm fully aware you do jack-shit as town.

It's like every game you play you just don't give a shit so it leaves me wondering why you continue to join games.

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I don't think it will.

We have played 2 or 3 games since that newbie and your play was very similar to your play here throughout the whole game.

Can you answer what's changed? Why don't you 'try' anymore?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I can do ABR.

VOTE: ABR

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Shin, I eagerly await you investing more time and effort into this game.

I like that Shin much better.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Hi ABR!

Can you, like, do things?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I quite liked his response to the wagon building on him.

I don't like that he disappeared as soon as the pressure was off.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Not really...I should probably reread things before making comments like that. I remembered liking Mac's responses in real time as I was reading but rereading his ISO I'm not sure why I liked them :/

527 is funny though because;

i genuinely can't believe we wouldn't be having this discussion if i had voted bbt. there's no logic in that. you're town, but you're being really stupid here and you've quite possibly gave bbt a way out of being lynched.

notice how he's dropped off the face of the earth again?

that final sentence can also apply to farside

Who's dropped off the face of the earth now?

He does however provide good points against Saint in 578. Notably his (Saint's) reasoning for voting me after he voted and his reasoning for voting Mac.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It somehow made you show up in the thread.

Better alternative?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I can't come up with solid reasons to town read a single player in this game.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I want you to tell me who you're scum reading.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Reasons for both?

I forgot Anti was in this game...

So many lurkers.

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I'm not sure Anti is scum either.

He would be the last person lurking I would be willing to lynch.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Farside is giving me scum vibes.

I was getting this as well.

Something doesn't feel right.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I know plenty of scum players who use/have used V/LA as a means of winning.

I wouldn't put it past anyone.

If you wanna come at me Mac, do it properly.

PEdit - I liked your points for Saint being town. Something you could easily write as scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Farside

[BlueBloodedToffee]

42 page D1...my word.

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Oh and I'm so 1 for 1 on this BBT
Let me know how far your scum buddies and you want to push because your association and budding of others is waaaaayyyy just noted by me.

Let's do it.

You eat rope first though.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

my mind is getting messy again because pushes on me are annoying.
i might need to reread to recenter again.

p-edit: ive seen worse.
if youre so upset about a long d1 i dont know why youre voting farside.

So have I. I think I was in the game with the longest ever D1 record.

Still, 42 pages is bad and we should lynch Farside to end it.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You have no findings.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

She has gone off of those three now.

She has something new and made up.

Hiplop, vote Farside?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You're flailing for scum reads.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't follow.

I'm a leader.

Just not in this game.

PEdit - Like I said, you're flailing for scum reads.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Lying is scummy...but it's too scummy to actually come from scum?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Things I don't agree with:

I don't think he calls people too scummy to be scum. I don't remember that anyway.
The motivation about defending BBT is like the motivation for calling me town because I was somehow a leader. It's to provide apparent content without actually getting into the nitty gritty of the game. Active lurking? I think.

Soren calls people 'too scummy to be scum' at least 3 times.

So Soren defending me when I was under pressure from other players is not getting into the nitty gritty of the game? I don't get it.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Lying is scummy...but it's too scummy to actually come from scum?

Yes, because it was an obvious lie.

Soooo....it's not actually scummy at all then?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Bookitty

This is a serious vote.

On p44.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Anyone disagree with me that Bookitty's reasoning for voting Soren is weak and opportunistic?

If not, join the wagon.

Today's lynch has finally been decided.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Who are you scum reading and why DS?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

No.

Town reading myself would be silly.

In saying that, I think Anti is town. I also now think Soren is town.

So I got two. It's a start.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Saint is probably town as well.

3 town reads.

Damn, I'm good at this game.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Would be funny (read: commit suicide worthy) if they were the scum team though.

They're probably not.

Nah. They're town.

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Mac, thoughts on Boo please?

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We have 2 days until deadline.

That is more than enough time to lynch BooKitty.

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I've made a decision. With less than two days till we read the deadline I'm just voting for the head wagon I find the scummiest. It's time to start consolidating imho.

VOTE: soren

If a wagon picks up that's scummier I'll switch or if scum makes some stupid move I just can't ignore. I'd rather avoid a no lynch and not go rushing toward anyone at the end.

Why is Soren scum?

meanwhile, through all the walls, saint and mac are STILL scum

Anti, are you willing to vote Boo?

Would you be willing to consolidate on Mac?

Would you be willing to vote Boo?

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I also believe Anti is town. However, I think Soren is town as well.

I don't think that post is as alignment indicative as people are trying to make out. It was one post.

Why are you town reading Boo?

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Can you do it now so we have a good chance of the wagon picking up Shin?

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I disliked your opportunistic vote on Soren.

Your presence has also been lacking.

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I also disliked your buddy-buddy with Farside after attacking ABR/myself for our buddying.

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Soren is off. I just feel definitely that he is OFF and not the same perky happy cheerful townie that I know. That IS enough to earn him a vote:

VOTE: Soren

I mean, this is your reasoning? Seriously?

Especially after you state in the very same post that Anti lurks as scum and you think he is lurking so you have your eye on him.

Saint *could* be scum but because you felt lazy you didn't feel like looking into it.

You also have your eye on Hiplop because he lurks a lot and his pushes are bad...why no vote here?

You also think I'm scummy but I'm not worth sorting today.

So, it's not like you're short of reasons for scum reads. Or are you lining up pushes for the following Days here? There were plenty of other options you could have explored which makes me think your vote is coming from scum.

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OK, I see Soren doing the things that Boo says he isn't doing and is scum reading him because of it.

The town leader thing has been made into a massive issue and I don't feel like it's that a big of a deal.

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I just did.

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1135.

Just a couple above your previous post.

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You and ABR were expressing confidence in each other's alignments after neither of you had posted much to speak of. I stand by my statement that this is dumb.

I believe Farside to be town and I like her personally. Can you provide examples of me "buddying" her, please? I don't agree with her on Sthar, so there's that.

Also, I want people to note this wagon, which appears to be a counterwagon, and who is pushing it (BBT and Shinobi) and who jumps on it later, if anyone does. Thanks in advance

Missed this somehow.

I'd rather not provide examples. (although, I think I already have in my ISO when I last spoke about this)

A counter-wagon...you have 2 votes.

Calm down.

PEdit - I could see why Soren might say that after Boo's first big post. It's really not an issue.

Also, this is my wagon. Not one I have 'followed'.

Try harder.

PEdit x2 - Umm, why didn't you address anything I posted in 1135?

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I'm not getting into semantics with you.

That is a typical scum attack though, so more scum points for you.

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OK, I guess I have to quote all the relevant parts if you're going to try and accuse me of misrepping you.

Boo says;

Antihero lurks as scum; that's not enough to earn him a vote from me yet, but I got my eye on it.

BBT says;

Especially after you state in the very same post that Anti lurks as scum and you think he is lurking so you have your eye on him.

Boo says;

Saint was hyperreactive, overemotional, insulting and I did not like it. I don't have any meta context and so far I haven't had time to go diving for any, but I'd have to if I wanted to use these playstyle issues as a reason to vote him. So I'm chalking it up to playstyle because of my own laziness right now.

BBT says;

Saint *could* be scum but because you felt lazy you didn't feel like looking into it.

Boo says;

I don't like Hiplop, but I think it's just because I like TSQ and I made a joke at the beginning that if he lurked and didn't post I'd petition to have him replaced by TSQ. I can see how this would hurt someone's feelings, and I'm sorry, Hiplop; it wasn't meant as a slam at you. Though I do think you lurk a lot! Your pushes are bad and I don't like them much, so I'm also watching you.

BBT says;

You also have your eye on Hiplop because he lurks a lot and his pushes are bad...why no vote here?

Boo says;

BBT: Yeah, he's scummy, but it's his playstyle. I don't need to sort him today.

BBT says;

You also think I'm scummy but I'm not worth sorting today.

There's also the bonus of this that I somehow missed first time around;

Mac I thought was scummy, but I don't have the experience with him that I do with Soren so I'm going with the vote I'm most confident in.

So you had another scum read you could have pursued.

Now, a) tell me where I'm misrepping and b) answer my case on you.

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Why are you voting me Boo?

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Nope.

At first I thought it was just a really bad OMGUS.

I mean, I demonstrated how I quite clearly was not misrepping you and presented both posts how they were wrote. Is encouraging people to vote for someone I think is scum scummy? If so, how?

My pro-town motivation would be I think you're scum and I would like to lynch scum Today.

So, now that I know your reasoning for voting me is a flat out lie. I'm back to thinking it's OMGUS.

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As for your 1151, you quite clearly imply that Anti is lurking when you say 'it's not enough for him to earn your vote...

yet

.'

So, because I don't believe in meta that means that nobody in the game should use meta? Is that the actual bullshit you're trying to say right now to discredit my point? Why did you not look further into Saint if you thought he could be scum?

You could have voted Hiplop and you apparently had reasons for thinking he was scum. I thought those reasons added up to a stronger scum read than the one you presented on Soren, so I enquired about your vote. Further, if you thought Hiplop was scum, why didn't you engage him on his 'bad pushes'?

I quite clearly write what you said about me and you say I'm misrepping. I don't get it. Like, how can you put people aside to 'sort another day'? Why not Today? (Ironic that you're now voting me)

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Is encouraging people to vote for someone I think is scum scummy? If so, how?

You missed this.

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On another note, I am loving your activity levels now you're coming under suspicion.

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Scum have recently tried to use this ploy with me.

I'm not interested.

It means nothing.

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Can we continue our discussion without you trying to sidetrack it please?

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There are unanswered questions in these posts.

As for your 1151, you quite clearly imply that Anti is lurking when you say 'it's not enough for him to earn your vote...

yet

.'

So, because I don't believe in meta that means that nobody in the game should use meta? Is that the actual bullshit you're trying to say right now to discredit my point? Why did you not look further into Saint if you thought he could be scum?

You could have voted Hiplop and you apparently had reasons for thinking he was scum. I thought those reasons added up to a stronger scum read than the one you presented on Soren, so I enquired about your vote. Further, if you thought Hiplop was scum, why didn't you engage him on his 'bad pushes'?

I quite clearly write what you said about me and you say I'm misrepping. I don't get it. Like, how can you put people aside to 'sort another day'? Why not Today? (Ironic that you're now voting me)

Is encouraging people to vote for someone I think is scum scummy? If so, how?

You missed this.

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OK.

I'm good with you being lynched.

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Just to clarify for everyone else;

I have shown I did not misrep over Boo's comments on Anti lurking.

Boo refuses to explain why she did not look further into Saint and why my dislike of meta stopped her from using it to meta-read Saint.

She refuses to explain why she didn't engage with Hiplop over his bad pushes.

She refuses to explain why she was unwilling to sort me out Today.

Finally, she refuses to explain how it's scummy for me to be pushing a wagon.

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But you're not brave enough to say you'll take the hit when I flip town.

Gotcha.

The whole point of this little thing you're trying to push is that you don't get lynched.

You appear so pro-town because 'scum would never offer themselves up to be lynched, right?' so town don't want to vote you.

It's a really weak attempt at buying town cred. Seen it before and it doesn't interest me.

I mean, just the sheer confidence in your 'scum read' of me now that your ass is on the line is very telling for you being scum. Where did this confidence come from?

From your perspective, it would seem you think my case on you is bad. Are you saying town never present bad cases and this has led to your super strong scum read of me? (Just to clarify this; I think my case is pretty good. This is looking at it from Boo's perspective)

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I don't care

Go for it. I'm VT so it's not a huge deal anyway.

I joined to play with Soren and Farside and neither one has been around so much, so I'm okay with this.

Ohhhh the AtE in this post.

Pulling out all the plays to survive!!

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<3 VileWhirl. Thank you.

You shouldn't be saying this.

You should be encouraging people to vote for you so that they vote for me tomorrow, no?

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Not at all.

I was just saying you should be consistent with how you want to play the game.

That's all.

Like, your entire 'I'll get lynched if you get lynched tomorrow' plan doesn't really work if you thank people for town reading you instead of asking them to vote for you.

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That AtE almost worked.

Man, I'm a real sucker for AtE.

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I think leading wagons were Saint and Soren.

Both of whom are town.

So....

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You're pushing semantics again.

Anti is town because of his defence of me.

Soren is town for analysis I did of his ISO not long ago.

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Saint is town for reasons Farside gave.

I don't do scum buddies before flips. Half the players...exaggerate much?

Semantics can be. Sometimes, it's just plain bullshit though. This is one of those times.

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@Soren - No, you can have too much 'information'.

For example, a 48 page D1 is a lot harder to reread than a 20 page D1.

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You're willing to engage with me now that we're not discussing why you're scum? How apt.

You're really trying hard to say everything you think a townie would be saying.

It's impressive.

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Confbias or lying. I don't know which.

But I'm willing to die to prove I'm right. So it's all fine

Your death proves nothing.

Except that you're scum.

PEdit - Soren, vote Boo please.