Mini 1676 Marvel Mafia- Game Over

[Shinobi]

/confirm

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VOTE: Soren

For voting the double voter.

[Shinobi]

VOTE: Soren

naked vote. Creating an early wagon.

what is wrong with either of these?

Opportunistic. Shows potential scumminess. Something to keep an eye on.

How do you intend to get information if you don't create wagons?

[Shinobi]

What's wrong with noting scummy behavior and saying I am going to keep an eye on it? It's not like I'm saying he is 100% guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. It's behavior I keep an eye on.

So why do you have a problem with me keeping an eye on toffee?

I find running up an rvs wagon for no reason as suspicious. I find in my experience that scum like to run up early wagons.

And if you want to run up sorens wagon, why not vote for him?

well it looks like you're setting yourself up to scumread bbt in the future. it's also not really that scummy?

can you point to these games where you have experienced scum building early rvs wagons? this seems like a very sweeping statement you are saying to fit your line of reasoning behind attacking bbt because town quite often do it too.

i'm not voting yet because I'm questioning you.

The bolded seems mega convoluted tbh.

Pedit: DS gets a preliminary townread for funnies.

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Mac, have you ever caught scum rolefishing before?

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that nope was towards shinobi who asked if I've ever caught scum rolefishing

So why even bring it up if you know it doesn't work?

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Ows where are you

Right here lmao.
I'm afraid to look back into the other pages because I don't know who you're fighting with.

[Shinobi]

Oh geez.
Uh.

I'm not touching this fight.

[Shinobi]

What's up shinobi

Sup yo. Playing hearthstone atm.

Btw I'd prefer we all didn't fight and just played the game instead. I don't see why everyone is so angry and I don't really think it's necessary.

[Shinobi]

Ows where are you

I understand that ows is shinobi but what is ows? A name? Nickname?

Ows = obiwanshinobi. It's my handle on another mafia site.

There's so many fights going on that it hurts my face.

[Shinobi]

There's so many fights going on that it hurts my face.

It's hilarious how suspicious you always seem to people, don't know if it's your playstyle, avatar or name lol

Yeah I don't get it either. It's the same thing on my other site where my name and avatar are completely different so that's not it.

[Shinobi]

saint is definitely town.

not liking bookitty

VOTE: bookitty

Why and why?

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@vile: Because of the double voter thing. It doesn't really hold water but I forgot that I was voting him.
UNVOTE:
As an aside:

VOTE: Antihero

has a solid history of lurking as scum

I might back this. Idk what anti is doing or why he's voting me but I'd like to find out.
VOTE: antihero

[Shinobi]

VOTE: saint

Nothing has changed there I just want to make sure my vote is in the right spot next time.

Still scum reading but.

I'd like to see more from shinobi.

Heyo.

[Shinobi]

@vile: Because of the double voter thing. It doesn't really hold water but I forgot that I was voting him.
UNVOTE:
As an aside:

VOTE: Antihero

has a solid history of lurking as scum

I might back this. Idk what anti is doing or why he's voting me but I'd like to find out.
VOTE: antihero

oh fuck this noise. you him and haw around when people are actually discussing stuff, stay on the edge of the discussion and then plop a no-impact vote on who you think is a lurker citing a page 2 vote

sorry scumbag, you picked the wrong target

VOTE: shinobi

Considering the response I got, I would say that's the exact opposite of a no-impact vote. It also just happens to be the exact opposite of "staying on the edge of discussion" just because I actually gave an opinion and voted behind it.

\o/

[Shinobi]

I don't necessarily think that antihero's response is scummy; I can kind of understand what he's saying about me dithering around because I kind of was.
UNVOTE:

We'll see how that develops in the meantime.

[Shinobi]

also.
shinobi i need you to not drag your feet.
vote someone new.
before i start voting you.
/threateningface

I'm working on it, chill out slut.

(Also I thought it was kind of townish, but I usually gauge my townreads by how reasonable they're being and how their reads develop. So, gun to my head, I'd say he's probably town at this point.)

[Shinobi]

Bookitty is coming off like she has an endgame; knows more than the rest of us almost? Don't like it. Sounds like scum trying to take town-leader

also may know things, perhaps maybe

I don't understand what you're saying by this, can you elaborate?

[Shinobi]

what would demonstrate urgency? I agree he doesn't have any that I can see. Even considering it's day 1 I'd expect little more.

and yes blindly trusting abr is concerning. I don't k ow if id say it was a lack of paranoia. I don't think we necessarily need to be paranoid, but we should be questioning each other at this point. We shouldn't blindly trust anyone.

I can't com.ent on the out of character prong. I don't know him. What's his normal character?

hard to explain without meta-experience with townbbt.
hes a go-getter. a happenings-maker. and he apparently is easily paranoid of people.
this game he is a potato.
mash him.

Afaik BBT is a guy who really enjoys playing scum so I don't see why I should be suspicious of him for doing nothing.
Like, he could just not be around and you really don't know the difference.

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basically.
this is me saying that detracting momentum while adding none elsewhere is bad townplay.
iuno if you're town or scum or whatever.
just stop doing that.

How's this for adding momentum:
VOTE: hiplop

Explain to me how BBT is more flat than this guy.

[Shinobi]

Easily. Deal.

[Shinobi]

another low-impact, lurker vote

/shocked face

I don't think you understand what low-impact means.

[Shinobi]

another low-impact, lurker vote

/shocked face

I don't think you understand what low-impact means.

the guy's fucking V/LA.
i'm not the one talking out his ass.

Considering the response I got, I would say that's the exact opposite of a no-impact vote. It also just happens to be the exact opposite of "staying on the edge of discussion" just because I actually gave an opinion and voted behind it.

lol, as if i was just WAITING FOR SHINOBI TO PROD ME TO START POSTING.

So let me get this straight:
I vote you and it's low-impact, even though it had a major impact and accomplished exactly what I wanted to accomplish.
I vote someone I want more answers from and it's low-impact because he's V/LA.

Spectacular.

[Shinobi]

So let me get this straight:
I vote you and it's low-impact, even though it had a major impact and accomplished exactly what I wanted to accomplish.
I vote someone I want more answers from and it's low-impact because he's V/LA.

Spectacular.

>it only had an impact in your head. i was doing other shit on friday and had every intention of posting today regardless of you or anyone else voting me or not.
>yeah... there's also.... asking him to clarify. voting him is just a form of glorified vote parking.

I can feel the effort you're putting into trying to make this work.

[Shinobi]

Catching up tomorrow.

[Shinobi]

Don't do anything until I get off from work.

Or else.

[Shinobi]

Vote: Mac

this is the first time ABR has mentioned mac AT ALL
0 reasoning too

Then, like, ask him about it and develop the game or something?

[Shinobi]

Honestly glad the BBT wagon is dispersing because I wasn't a fan of that.
Haven't parsed the Mac wagon at all.

I'm aware that Saint/BM voted me earlier and that doesn't really surprise or bug me in the slightest. I definitely got the feeling that he was mafia but I'm not sure I could put that feeling into words or back it up with anything other than "his comment on ABR's vote reads as a mafia comment."

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@Hiplop: Can you explain your readslist for me pls?

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@Sthar: Why?

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I don't understand how the two are related.

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But my age is in my profile, so.

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Bulgington come vote saint with me. My wagon has spinners.

You're kind of just shouting that he's "scumposting" every time he posts. What does that even mean if it's not just rhetoric?

[Shinobi]

Hiplop can you answer my questions?

[Shinobi]

Uh, I knew that.

I was...Testing you.

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VOTE: saint

I'm thinking saint and but are just going to keep giving me reasons to find them scummy.

scummy=/=scum

You admit your behavior is scummy.

so if you even know you're being scummy, what reason do I have in believing you aren't scum?

im nicer as scum

Since when?

[Shinobi]

how sure are you that saint isnt just ridiculously awkward and bad at scumhunting as town?
because im not sure.

He isn't awful at playing town.

[Shinobi]

why arent you voting him then?

1) He isn't necessarily playing terribly.
2) I'm not lynching the guy I invited here on day 1.

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Oh right, Shinobi's pinging me because he's really not a presence in the thread except the couple of times he's been in the spotlight. I feel like he might be coasting.

Can you tell me what you accomplished with the whole "age" thing you were asking me about earlier?

[Shinobi]

UNVOTE:

I don't think hiplop is necessarily scummy but I'm having a hard time figuring out where to put my vote next.

[Shinobi]

Sthar does it not bother you that your two scumreads were just trying to kill each other?

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no? it's day 1 and I'm playing with limited information. That's like mafia 101: no associatives before the flip.

Can you answer my other questions?

[Shinobi]

Shinobi,

I understand why you aren't voting saint, but who exactly do you think is scum?

Working on it.

[Shinobi]

I'll give you a chance.

but you aren't going to be happy with my new vote.

VOTE: shinobi

like you to do something bro.

Still working on it.
I am a busy man.

[Shinobi]

i actually am relatively happy with that vote
kind of feel like shinobi is scum
just because hes my friend doesnt mean i dont want to lynch him if hes against my win condition

Why?

Same question to BBT.

[Shinobi]

Sthar's recent post looks okay. Don't really have much issue with him. Thought I'd have more to engage him with but I don't.

Pedit: I am not not not scum.

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Soren do you have any real questions for me or no?

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Since when has lurking been my scum meta, Saint?

[Shinobi]

Prod dodge, will try to post tomorrow.

[Shinobi]

I'm looking at sthar, hiplop and shin as my top 3.
I hope to get something together tonight

Forgive me if I missed it, but why sthar? I'm already aware of why people don't like hiplop.

I could lynch Shin.

Your case is pretty bad tbh.

[Shinobi]

Your play is pretty scummy tbh.

How so?

[Shinobi]

it is OWS. you are way more proactive as town

maybe you read differently on here

wow P-Editx3

hi vilewhirl and BBT

BBT why do you want to lynch me so badly??

Again, compared to what?
I even have my meta all set up on TL for people to look through it and I think you're completely unaware of what my scumgame looks like, which makes it look really weird/lazy for you to say that "I don't post as scum" when my day play as scum is actually pretty active.

@Vile: I've been relatively inactive until today, when I said I would post.

[Shinobi]

I don't want to lynch you 'badly'. I thought you were a good D1 lynch but Farside had some good points.

So now I'm thinking Shinobi is a good D1 lynch but it's getting close to deadline so I'm not particularly fist pumping at the thought of jumping off one of the bigger wagons to start a new one.

Vile, you interested in a Shinobi lynch?

What points? All I can see is that farside called me useless (which I can concede that I mostly have been thus far) so I'd presume that you have something more than that.

[Shinobi]

Except that doesn't really relate to me at all?

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shinobi stop defending yourself and go read and make a case on someone or join a wagon on someone.

I'm questioning people.

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calling bbt's lack of case on you bad is questioning him?

I'm calling his case nonexistant and I'm trying to get him to bring up points to see how he's reaching his conclusions. His points on Saint not being scum are okay, but how does that lead to calling another player scum? The only thing he has is the fact that I unvoted hiplop when other people were voting him, which isn't a case and reads like an excuse because associatives are generally useless. How does he tell the difference between town!me and scum!me doing these things? I still don't know.

I'm also saying that Saint's case is lazy and it reads like an excuse. There are plenty of examples of me playing active scumgames, both here and on TL so him saying "you do more as town" and not backing it up is mega lazy and wtf.

The fact that they want to lynch my slot in particular is

almost

completely irrelevant (outside of the "I know I'm town" mantra): I don't understand either of the cases so I want to know what's up.

Except that doesn't really relate to me at all?

Correct.

Okay, so how does that lead you to a scumread on this slot?

[Shinobi]

Your lack of scum hunting.

Scumhunting is subjective, and this isn't consistent with your earlier accusation because you accused me of paying attention and unvoting when you thought I shouldn't unvote.

Which is it?

[Shinobi]

I would assume that coming to a conclusion based on another player's responses to questions would fall under "scumhunting," no?

[Shinobi]

Are you going to show me examples of scum hunting or not?

No.

[Shinobi]

Is that because you haven't been doing any of it?

No, because:

A) I'm not surfing my own filter for you.
B) I want to assess your argumentation.

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lol?

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This whole conversation feels like a giant merry-go-round tbh.

[Shinobi]

I'm not entirely sure what you're referring to. Clarify?

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I understand BBT's line of thinking now. That'll change with time.

Saint

, where did you go?

[Shinobi]

It normally takes me a bit of time to get invested/involved in games; even in the newbie game you reference so much, it took me a few days before I actually became supertown.
Even then, I'd say me 'not trying' in Elements is a bit unfair because I pinned 3/4 scum.

The only game I'd concede that I 'didn't try' would

maybe

be the mason game, and even then you knew I was pushing Josh/GM all game.

Just because I don't bring across the same kind of energy I did that one time doesn't mean that I don't care/am not playing.

[Shinobi]

If I had to join wagons

right now

I'd probably go for ABR/Saint over anyone else.

[Shinobi]

If I had to join wagons

right now

I'd probably go for ABR/Saint over anyone else.

[Shinobi]

is there any good reason abr isnt best wagon atm?
like.
does anyone actually think hes town?

This is kind of where I'm at tbh.

[Shinobi]

VOTE: ABR

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Can do.

I'm going to spend some time reading into Bookitty.

[Shinobi]

just remembered that mac is in this game.
he should either do things again or replace out.

He promised content yesterday iirc.

[Shinobi]

Why did the Mac wagon dissipate btw? I'm looking back and I don't see solid reasons for it disappearing.

[Shinobi]

What do you guys think of Mac?

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Could you elaborate more on what was towny about his response?

[Shinobi]

Not really...I should probably reread things before making comments like that. I remembered liking Mac's responses in real time as I was reading but rereading his ISO I'm not sure why I liked them :/

527 is funny though because;

i genuinely can't believe we wouldn't be having this discussion if i had voted bbt. there's no logic in that. you're town, but you're being really stupid here and you've quite possibly gave bbt a way out of being lynched.

notice how he's dropped off the face of the earth again?

that final sentence can also apply to farside

Who's dropped off the face of the earth now?

He does however provide good points against Saint in 578. Notably his (Saint's) reasoning for voting me after he voted and his reasoning for voting Mac.

I can't come up with solid reasons to townread him but him talking about Saint reminded me of why I don't like Saint much this game.
I'm probably going to reserve judgement until he posts again.

[Shinobi]

@Bookitty: can you elaborate more on why Soren is scum?

[Shinobi]

Saint seems WAY more town due to recent posting.

[Shinobi]

Farside and bbt votes both seem bad.
Mac is an objectively better lynch.

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I'm sorry I can't hear you over the farside is scum for no reason mantra

I bet you've been dying to drop that quote at some point.

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I've made a decision. With less than two days till we read the deadline I'm just voting for the head wagon I find the scummiest. It's time to start consolidating imho.

VOTE: soren

If a wagon picks up that's scummier I'll switch or if scum makes some stupid move I just can't ignore. I'd rather avoid a no lynch and not go rushing toward anyone at the end.

Would you be willing to consolidate on Mac?

[Shinobi]

I can coalesce on Boo if need be.

[Shinobi]

VOTE: bookitty

Sure.

[Shinobi]

Blue, she elaborated in post http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p6916386.

[Shinobi]

Wow I messed that up.

Let's try again: post 1007.

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Ds: your play is not always town like. Why is saints play sone thing you attack?

Cause his play is scummy as heck and he admits it is.

My play is the same all the time. It's consistent.

Admitting to scummy play doesn't mean he is scum.

^^^^^

@Shinobi- happy birthday!

Star and hiplop who else are you scum reading and why?

Antihero, until he does something. And Shinobi, maybe. And we'll figure out who the rest of the team are after we lynch saint.

I find the antihero read particularly strange since he was doing something? i mean he practically drove a wagon on me, regardless of it being wrong, that was still something. there were much better candidates for a 'doing nothing' scumread (read:soren)

Crappy posting is more likely to piss off town than scum because scum can just skip most of it. They don't need to work out anyone's alignments.

bad logic since it's fairly easily to fake that kind of post.

also soren is still scum because he knows i'm going to flip town.

i just want vilewhirl to come and cradle me and tell me everything is going to be ok

OBJECTION

DENIED

Who are some inactive people who could be scum and need pressure?
Who has slipped?
etc

Vote: Soren

what happened to your scum read on mac?

i'm going to file this question in the under 'posting to look busy' category. farside can scumread more than one person, and vote more than one scumread. i feel like this is a veiled "why vote me??" post too.

i like saint alot better for #694. the frustration in that post feels genuine, and i feel his pain for coming from another forum on to here (as i'm sure most of us have)

mac - could be scum for picking on the lowest hanging fruit

uh

when i picked on the 'low hanging fruit' as you call yourself, there was a wagon on bbt. that was the low hanging fruit i could've went for but i chose a different branch. i don't think you get out of a scumread by claiming you're low hanging fruit either

choooo
choooo
VOTE: saint
die die die.

no, he's town

bad vote. are you following up on your policy despite the fact saint didn't call anyone else a bad word?

VOTE: Saint

maybe scum. dragonspawn - this is what you call opportunistic.

Also Shinobi thanks for making me signup for a theme which is going to attract bad players who dont have a solid grasp on reality (newsflash marvel = no grasp on reality)

you guys actually think you're superheroes or something this game

i dont even know who my character is. he's just some stupid guy.

hey come on man. i am a superhero. we are all superheroes.

but i have to say i'm getting terribly bored of the back and forths that are not really game related. they're not helping me develop my reads.

Sorry I haven't been posting btw. Lots of stress irl. I've been reading and posting thought in the hydra PT but haven't posted before today.

Anyway, basically what I said in the PT is that a Saint lynch is the best option right now. Regardless of alignment, we get rid of a toxic, rude, egocentric player. If he's town, we get an easy wagon analysis tomorrow after scum pushes the easy mislynch. If he's scum, we lynched scum Day 1. Win/win.

PEDIT - Soren, gork posted them like a few minutes ago.

this makes literally no sense. you are offering to policy lynch saint and then claim we'll get easy wagon analysis tomorrow. how can we get wagon analysis off a policy lynch?

:badposting: i take back my townread on vilewhirl big time.

UNVOTE:

for now

I'm actually liking this entire post. There's a clear mindset here and a deep line of thought.

What exactly does that mean?

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@shinobi: Why are you voting me, precisely? Share with the class

That one-off post where you called hiplop out for voting poorly when he was voting your lynch target.

It's kinda meh at this point but I'm struggling to find an alternative, and I'm not voting BBT.

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oo.
lets say shinobi is town too. unfortunately i cant elaborate and its for selfish alt-related reasons.
fun-times.

there are like five people i would vote in a heartbeat if it meant not lynching boo atm.
abr's pretty close to the top atm.

What about, say, Mac?

[Shinobi]

VOTE: Mac

yoloswag?

[Shinobi]

And to respond to you vile, I can see town!ABR being disinterested and aloof. Sure, he

can

replicate it as scum, but it's a crapshoot and a policy lynch whereas I'm far more comfortable lynching Mac.

[Shinobi]

pitch me mac being scum.
i'll consider it after i collect materials for making nachos.

Most of his posts are centered around catchup and filler, and the few that aren't are compromised of the kind of skin-deep analysis I would expect from scum.

Pedit: Why anti?

[Shinobi]

Bookittys response to her wagon is fucking awful

Why?

[Shinobi]

Vote: Bookitty

I feel bad voting the nicest person in this game but eh good chance is scum lol

How so?

[Shinobi]

I'd presume you have a reason not to vote Mac then, yes?

[Shinobi]

There's a couple names I'd flip around in that list but okay.

Pedit: Probably not.

[Shinobi]

i think shinobi might be a good lynch based on the fact his iso contains diddly squat reasoning for voting me, yet he keeps trying to push me as though he believes i'm scum including asking people to vote me. it looks like he's trying to use me as a compromise but hasn't articulated why it should be me.

other than i didn't post for a few days, which we've already established was because i declared v/la that seemingly no one cares about

This is just not true.

[Shinobi]

I'm double checking something before I give my opinion on him. Hang tight.

[Shinobi]

I don't necessarily think dragon is scum.

I've played a game with him recently where he was scum, and his tone was markedly different than it is here. He comes off as

way

more of a politician and does things like voicing his confusion and try to make people like him. I think a lot of his earlier posting was constructive and useful and not at all like what I would expect from his scumgame.

[Shinobi]

#1372 isn't bad.
Hrm.

[Shinobi]

who are the three people you think are scum shinobi?
like.
we have seven hours.
if we dither anymore we're basically accepting a Bookitty lynch.

There's 0 chance I present a scumteam of 3 on day 1. Game is hard enough as is.

[Shinobi]

EBWOP: 1349

I saw it the first time around but I thought it was somewhat nitpicky.

[Shinobi]

There's 0 chance I present a scumteam of 3 on day 1. Game is hard enough as is.

im not asking you to give the scumteam.
im asking you to give three people who you think are most likely to be scum right at this very second.

Mac or dragonspawn. The point on him not defending Boo until he was pressured is easily the best point against him but I'm still weighing how much that's worth.

I don't have a third.

I don't necessarily think dragon is scum.

I've played a game with him recently where he was scum, and his tone was markedly different than it is here. He comes off as

way

more of a politician and does things like voicing his confusion and try to make people like him. I think a lot of his earlier posting was constructive and useful and not at all like what I would expect from his scumgame.

Listen to your gut here. You have it right.

I'm a bit insulted by the politician remark though.

Still better than a rush lynch at the deadline.

Why do you think bbt is switching wagons when his serious scum read was almost lynched right before the deadline?

I think boo might have been onto something with the scum trying to hunt out prs. Boo already claimed vt and thus is no longer a good lynch to him. That's my theory anyway.

This is a storyline, not a case.
Even then I'm still not voting BBT.

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i think shinobi might be a good lynch based on the fact his iso contains diddly squat reasoning for voting me, yet he keeps trying to push me as though he believes i'm scum including asking people to vote me. it looks like he's trying to use me as a compromise but hasn't articulated why it should be me.

other than i didn't post for a few days, which we've already established was because i declared v/la that seemingly no one cares about

This is just not true.

care to provide some evidence?

Shinobi? You cant just ignore it and hope it goes away

I can easily ignore someone that isn't reading my filter. Watch me.

[Shinobi]

No. That's not right, though -- either the ABR thing demonstrates that I'm town, or it doesn't. You're wishy-washying around about it, so why not just find out?

You can't be having it both ways, BBT. You can't say "Oh, she might be scum, but let's wagon someone else for not defending her hard enough!"

No.

Dragonspawn, vote me please. I would appreciate it.

Why is BBT scum instead of just being wrong? I'm aware that you posted about it several times but I wasn't aware of something that made exclusively scum over just being wrong.
Why are you trying so hard to kill yourself?

[Shinobi]

I don't find your point on BBT in that post to be particularly compelling either, because him thinking your slot is scum and then going after someone else for not defending it are not mutually exclusive thoughts and is besides the point of the second scumread in the first place.

[Shinobi]

Again, dragonspawn not defending you and BBT going after both of you does not mean that his scumreads don't make sense.

It's not even like there are a huge amount of people that want you gone; at best, three,

maybe

four people want you gone and you flipping town doesn't really help us much at all.

[Shinobi]

Again, dragonspawn not defending you and BBT going after both of you does not mean that his scumreads don't make sense.

Can you clarify this? I cannot tell if you don't understand what I am saying or I do not understand what you are saying.

Here's the logic behind the dragonspawn and Boo scumreads:

Boo is scummy because [reasons].
Dragonspawn thinks that Boo is towny.
Dragonspawn does nothing despite Boo getting run up and nearly being lynched.
People call Dragonspawn out,

now

he defends Boo despite her not being the lynch anymore.

???

Dragonspawn's townread could make sense, or it might not, but it's completely irrelevant because he had you as town and did absolutely nothing with that information despite you being near-lynched.

That

is scummy, and is independent of BBT's opinion of you.

[Shinobi]

Your lynch is not "inevitable." Not many people want you gone anyway, so I don't know why you're so obsessed with the idea.
Your points on BBT "keeping his option open" is somewhat convoluted and doesn't really hold water.
Your flip isn't necessarily to analyze the wagon on you.

Townies miss/ignore information all the time, either because they're stuck in a tunnel or because they just overlook it or whatever. I don't find that particularly important,

especially

since BBT is one of the most active/important players in the thread right now.

[Shinobi]

*Necessary.
Btw the Mac wagon is still an option.

[Shinobi]

Oh and ftfr that boo ignored is vote bbt as well here.

Someone asked about the 3rd party comment it was just a theory but yea his behavior this game is nothing like his town games.

How so?

[Shinobi]

Let's see there is a case on boo and no case I dragon.
Gee I wonder why there is lack of support for dragon.

I'd sell my soul for a bbt lynch at this point

Except I posted reasons for dragon at the top of the page.

Here I'll come with a link of boo as town when she was pressured by me note no folding under pressure
Or lack of reasoning or AtE.

Boo's issue isn't lack of reasoning or AtE. She is quite literally asking to be lynched, which is the exact opposite of AtE.

[Shinobi]

*At the top of page 59.

[Shinobi]

Because there's literally 0 scum motivation in telling people to lynch her.

How is my case weak?

[Shinobi]

And no asking to be lynched is not the opposit of AtE, because it is an appeal that people think come only from town, which is false

I have yet to live in a world where AtE consists of "please lynch me."
That's not AtE; that's just telling people to lynch you.
Which is generally a bad thing as scum.

If anything, it falls under martyring, which is towny.

[Shinobi]

And no asking to be lynched is not the opposit of AtE, because it is an appeal that people think come only from town, which is false

I have yet to live in a world where AtE consists of "please lynch me."
That's not AtE; that's just telling people to lynch you.
Which is generally a bad thing as scum.

If anything, it falls under martyring, which is towny.

*puts arm around shin*
Son I'm going to tell you some hard facts.
It may hurt to hear this......
People lie. They use what tools they can to manipulate people.
I know.
I know.
It's a hard fact of mafia and playing the game, but that's just a fact you need to come to terms with.
But again that attitude happened after 2 votes, which is little pressure and self loathing talking as her being a victim.
This isn't let's be friends and hold hands.
This is finding scum and understanding motivation.
If you check that link son, you'll see she is no wilting flower.

It's still towny though.
One game is not enough, either.

[Shinobi]

I will answer your question with a question: can you provide examples of her doing this as scum and not doing this as town?

[Shinobi]

Like just showing her not doing it as town without showing why she can

only

be scum for doing it is not enough. She might just not enjoy this game or may think her flip is the best way to move things forward.

[Shinobi]

Two hours.
Where is everyone?

[Shinobi]

I'll consolidate on Boo if I absolutely 100% have to to ensure a lynch.

That's probably what it's going to boil down to. I don't like it but I'll do it.

[Shinobi]

Bbt isn't happening.

I'm somewhat upset anti isn't here to do things, though.

[Shinobi]

can someone briefly summarise the last few pages and who we may be compomising on?

Why is this joker still alive?

[Shinobi]

Is town!Mac always this apathetic?

[Shinobi]

I should probably just drop this and revisit it another time.

[Shinobi]

The anti wagon isn't going to happen.

[Shinobi]

VOTE: dragonspawn

[Shinobi]

I still don't understand the case on Boo, ftr.

[Shinobi]

I still don't understand the case on Boo, ftr.

I'm not repeating myself. Go back and fucking read.

I saw it. I said I don't think it's good.

[Shinobi]

The next time someone says 'Why you trying to push for a lynch, we still have X days left'.

Just link them to this game. Then vote them.

Rofl.

[Shinobi]

VOTE: Bookitty

If farside won't switch then I will. She wants to be lynched anyway so whatever I guess.

I still don't understand the case on Boo, ftr.

What's yourcase on dragon?

Now you're just being spiteful.

[Shinobi]

If we nolynch today, we are spitelynching every single person who threw their vote away for no reason.
We should probably do that anyway, but that's besides the point.

[Shinobi]

VOTE: Bookitty

If farside won't switch then I will. She wants to be lynched anyway so whatever I guess.

I still don't understand the case on Boo, ftr.

What's yourcase on dragon?

Now you're just being spiteful.

I was being serious because ADD.

lol
We are so going to lose this game.

[Shinobi]

VOTE: Dragonspawn

JUST
KILL SOMEONE
IT DOESN'T MATTER ANYMORE

[Shinobi]

Sthar is the lynch tomorrow.

As are many others.
But

We need to lynch.
Like, asap.

[Shinobi]

VOTE: Bookitty

It's the only way to amass the votes with the people we have.

[Shinobi]

i hate that its the right move because i really dont think shes gonna flip scum.

I know. There are lots of things that indicate that neither lynch is good right now and all we can do is blame the inactives and try to kill them tomorrow.

At the very least, Boo has been asking to be lynched to help town so we don't have to feel 100% bad about missing.

[Shinobi]

JUST VOTE.

[Shinobi]

VOTE: boo

just in case

You are dead tomorrow.

I want you to understand that.

[Shinobi]

Damn that was some serious bs.
Wtf did I say about star before too.
Grrr

This sounds mega forced.

[Shinobi]

Though I'm not sure how much that matters in the grand scheme of things.
It probably doesn't.

Pedit:

[Shinobi]

Yeah, I saw you chatting you fucking dipshit.

Yeah. On my fucking phone. While I'm reading the game that you're consistently fucking up. I saw Jingle post and I went OH SHIT DEADLINE and rushed in here. That should be fucking obvious

I accept the fact that things can happen and mistakes are made, but I/we expect you to deliver something big tomorrow. If you goof around and don't obvtown and help us figure this thing out, we WILL lynch you.

[Shinobi]

Just an FYI. I'm always phone posting.
It's a bad excuse in my book

i dont give a shit. i'm not you. tell me what i can and cant do some more, it's real fucking cute

Stop it.

[Shinobi]

I don't think sthar is necessarily scum for not being here.

I just looked over his case on Saint.
I'm ashamed to have missed it the first time. It's actually really good.

[Shinobi]

not a one of you can say why voting to prevent a nolynch is scummy. At least one of the people pushing this assertion is scum.

Everyone is just annoyed that we were forced to lynch Boo.

It'll die down eventually.

[Shinobi]

You could have done.

Your scum motivation was avoiding the Dragon wagon whilst trying to appear 'pro-town' by voting the Boo wagon.

This relies on dragon being scum already, which is not a sure thing.

[Shinobi]

You're right, it isn't.

His timing was just horrible.

I despise deadline lynches. I truly do.

I don't blame you tbh. All we can do is have a better day 2.

[Shinobi]

Like, none of your reactions actually make sense now. What the fuck is going on here?

DON'T THINK ABOUT IT IT'S FINE.

[Shinobi]

New mafBlack is lame. I liked the old version.

Why? he dipped from the wagon?

scum distancing ?

What's the difference between town!Soren and scum!Soren doing that?

[Shinobi]

im betting we can find some hipster scum that werent on the boo wagon and defended her

im remembering someone who did just that let me find it...

oh wait it was vilewhirl

unvote
;vote vilewhirl

guy was also on my scum radar because of the gorkington posting outside of the hydra thing

I don't see how that makes him scum, nor do I see how the second portion of your post is relevant towards his alignment at all. Clarify?

[Shinobi]

weird question?
uh.
abr or sthar? i guess?
im still not really sure if i understand the question.

Post 1784

Vote: sthar

I don't understand this.

BBT is 100% town. Not gonna explain. I'll vote farside or dragon today.

Why not Saint? Did you read sthar's case? I thought it was pretty good.

[Shinobi]

Hiplop answer my question pls.

[Shinobi]

New mafBlack is lame. I liked the old version.

Why? he dipped from the wagon?

scum distancing ?

What's the difference between town!Soren and scum!Soren doing that?

the difference is in motivation. right now shes piquing my interest as scum?

I don't understand what you're saying.

[Shinobi]

Well, I guess people are clear now. That's something.

[Shinobi]

I'll be posting tonight as I'm at work atm. People that should be fighting to the death right now:

hiplop
Mac

I can't fathom why blue roles consistently let people providing the bare minimum continue to get away with posting the bare minimum.

Pedit: Yes, that's a good start.

[Shinobi]

I'll be posting tonight as I'm at work atm. People that should be fighting to the death right now:

hiplop
Mac

I can't fathom why blue roles consistently let people providing the bare minimum continue to get away with posting the bare minimum.

Pedit: Yes, that's a good start.

You can't fathom what?

VOTE: Hiplop

I think we should have used our information roles on low-postcount players. It's not a relevant point anymore but whatever I guess.

[Shinobi]

unvote;
vote: farside

no catchup necessary

you can look into me all you want

but i have a good reason to vote you ma'am

What are you doing?

[Shinobi]

I'm not going to overthink this.
VOTE: Saint

[Shinobi]

Why not?

[Shinobi]

I have interest in lynching all 3 of these people.

[Shinobi]

Ehhhhh good point.
VOTE: hiplop

[Shinobi]

i could maybe get behind macscum if someone pitched a case that wasnt "he is too quiet and PoE".

That's pretty much the extent of the case on him. It's not going to get any stronger/weaker if he doesn't post.

[Shinobi]

eh i guess i did nothing then

Do something then?

I think it's really scummy to push against a doc claim.
Lets do a question back to saint. Who would do that as town?

i hadnt noticed your claim, honestly
im not going to push you at all today
wanted to see your rxn after i messed up
cnat have been a slip tho because im not scum so i dont really care

i just need you to believe me because i really want to be playing in a game as town

You're making me very sad.

[Shinobi]

So many claims.

Starting with abr. I like his claim and witholding that he is one shot and got more people to claim that they are town or scum. So he's town and I believe his claim which means that BBT is town as well.

Farside's claim is somewhat supported by dragon's tracker claim so I guess I'll believe them too. And given that Farside protected vile, I guess vile could be town if the night kill wasn't prevented by something else.

POE and I'm back to voting anti.

VOTE: antihero

"five people are town..
therefore..
anti is scum!"

gonna have to explain that one.
oh man check it:

Scum team is dragon, Farside and star

"HEY GUYS POE NOW ANTI IS SCUM AND NOT STHAR"
sthar and soren are probably scummates.
boom.
give me a high five i solved 2/3rds of the scumriddle of this game.

VOTE: soren

I don't think this is good analysis ftr. The fact of the matter is that several people need to die/replace based on activity/apathy and antihero is one of them, so it's not scummy that soren thinks this.

I don't understand how you came to the conclusion that sthar/soren are scummates here either.

[Shinobi]

I prefer Soren.

Why aren't you voting hiplop?

[Shinobi]

i have saint (nuts), farside (scummy) and shinobi (absent) all on my wagon

but sorens is considered a likely scum lead wagon

Farside is a claimed doctor.
I am not absent.
What's your read on Saint?

[Shinobi]

What does "pretty sketchy" mean and what makes you think that?

Why is Saint town?

[Shinobi]

but can someone please fucking talk to me about saint?

seriously all i'm getting is "you're right he's scummy" "no he's town" and "you're scummy for talking about him"

When I get home I will.

[Shinobi]

Alright, I'm here.

Sthar, tell me what exactly you're looking for in terms of a response in regards to Saint and I'll try to give it to you.

[Shinobi]

i could also eat an antisandwich.
that guy doesnt even exist anymore.
he should get replaced or die.
its pretty lame how many people fall into this category.

Yes.

Pedit: Double yes.

[Shinobi]

VOTE: Saint

That post is scummy for a lot of other reasons.

I'm gonna see if I can tear it up before the kiddos get here.

Yes. Yes it is.

[Shinobi]

I've seen literally nothing from hiplop that makes me change my mind, either.

[Shinobi]

Why is hiplop still alive?

[Shinobi]

shinobi,
being dickish and blindly pushing lurkerlynches while not engaging the gamestate is lazy at best.
the best reason ive heard for hiplop being scum is that hes a lurker. which is garbage.
care to do anything useful beyond just moping about the lack of hammer? convince me soren is town. convince me that we shouldnt wait for a replacement for anti before rushing to lynch someone. do something. anything.

Why are you complaining about lurker lynches? Lurker lynches are great.

[Shinobi]

I tried to give hiplop a chance before and all he did was call me mafia for "being absent" and other reasons that he never bothered to disclose, despite the fact that I had quadruple the amount of posts in his filter AND the fact that he called me town earlier in the game for "lurking."

He can't elaborate on why or how that's scummy or what changed because he's mafia.

[Shinobi]

I don't even understand why you're upset.

I thought Soren responded to pressure somewhat adequately but there's no reason we can't lynch him tomorrow if something goes horribly wrong and hiplop flips town in some unbeknownst universe.

[Shinobi]

Analyzing the gamestate doesn't even give you anything; it just shows you that people are being inactive while trying to lynch someone that's MORE inactive and is objectively scummy to start with.

I'm going to tell you right now that I've lost games because overeager townies get amped up about lynches being "too easy" and coming up with convoluted theories that make people butt heads. There's literally 0 reason to think that hiplop is town just because the gamestate is somewhat stale.

[Shinobi]

Vote Saint

Not now. Hiplop should 10000000% be lynched today and advocating any other lynch OVER hiplop is absurd.

Saint is going to be considered tomorrow, not today.

[Shinobi]

Why hiplop?

Because he is scummy and useless and his reads evolve for little/no reason.

[Shinobi]

im not dumb dude

g4u.

Not now. Hiplop should 10000000% be lynched today and advocating any other lynch OVER hiplop is absurd.

any lynch but hiplop is absurd! including other low content posters!
woo!
excuse me while i go vomit.

If you're going to continue to complain about hiplop votes, we can lynch Mac.
If you're into that.

[Shinobi]

And if you really want my opinion on Soren, there here you go:

I think Soren is town because of how much effort he put into keeping the thread environment stable and non-toxic when sthar came back into the thread and not-hammered. I think his trying to keep the story of what was happening straight and him trying to keep things peaceful and civil is extremely telling in regards to his alignment.

I don't want to lynch him. I MIGHT consider it if hiplop flips town, but not before.

[Shinobi]

dont believe u hiplop
hiplop more like flipflop

That doesn't make any sense though.

[Shinobi]

im town fuck thishttp://forum.mafiascum.net/index.php

Do something?

[Shinobi]

I'm at the point where I don't really care much about hiplop's alignment anymore.

[Shinobi]

actually.
yeah.
VOTE: shinobi
im feeling this.
his push on hiplop and the "ONLY HIPLOP SHOULD GET LYNCHED AND ANYONE SAYING ANYTHING OTHERWISE SHOULD FEEL BAD" feels like hes trying to protect someone right now.
he doesnt even care what hiplops alignment is, and yet other lurky people are just swept aside despite him saying that anyone feeling anything else [including a different lurkerlynch] are bad.

You're hopeless.

[Shinobi]

???????

[Shinobi]

I was thinking this does feel like shinobi is scum this game. Was going to wait to see if hiplop flipped town first. But i can get on board with a shinobi lynch.

VOTE: shinobi

VOTE: Shinobi

Why?

[Shinobi]

Btw gork, your point on me only trying to lynch hiplop isn't even correct. I offered you a Mac wagon and anti is getting replaced, and I already stated that I wanted to lynch both Mac and hiplop at the start of today.

[Shinobi]

Okay good, I thought you all lost your minds.

Btw gork, your point on me only trying to lynch hiplop isn't even correct. I offered you a Mac wagon and anti is getting replaced, and I already stated that I wanted to lynch both Mac and hiplop at the start of today.

okay fine this is true.
im a jerk who doesnt even think before doing things.
still doesnt change that im grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr-ing at you for standing so hard against a non-lurker lynch, especially so with soren given that hes been super lurky too.

I think his trying to keep the story of what was happening straight and him trying to keep things peaceful and civil is extremely telling in regards to his alignment.

why does scum not do this to try and be the likable mediator? how does this ooze town motivation?

Soren has quadruple the number of posts hiplop does, and I'm pretty sure Soren has me outposted.
Scum

could

do what Soren did, but at the same time, why think that ONLY scum did what Soren did in that situation? I've found that keeping people objective instead of getting them riled up emotionally is more of a towntell than a scumtell.

[Shinobi]

Btw gork, your point on me only trying to lynch hiplop isn't even correct. I offered you a Mac wagon and anti is getting replaced, and I already stated that I wanted to lynch both Mac and hiplop at the start of today.

so why don't you want to lynch me now?

I do.
I've always wanted to lynch you.

Pedit: lol

[Shinobi]

well, in your very words, anyone other than hiplop was absurd.

so no, you didn't want to lynch me at that point until vilewhirl called you up on it.

That's nice.
You're still mafia though.

[Shinobi]

pdodge

[Shinobi]

Is Mac Thor?

No?

[Shinobi]

titus.

Maybe.
Mac should be on the table too.

[Shinobi]

ggwp

Knew I was right to trust you Soren.