Mini 1684: Shucking Bullfit Mafia - Game Called

[dramonic]

hey people

Vote: Tammy

I call BS.

[dramonic]

However, do not indulge Marquis.
He is also lying.

[dramonic]

unvote

Yeah no don't target tammy.

[dramonic]

Marquis, I think i know what you want to do, but I give it at most a 3 on 10.

[dramonic]

Well I don't know for a fact you're lying. I just don't understand how your post-restriction makes sense.
I do know you're town though, so you can just stay in my shadow and I'll win this for you.

[dramonic]

That will also benefit scum.

[dramonic]

oh also

TOWN LIST
Tammy
Marquis
Oversoul hydra

MAYBE TOWN
Ceph
Zoraster's Wife Alt

SCUM
Everyone else


You should work to make your way up people.

[dramonic]

It depends on Marquis. I have a theory about why he wants a massclaim, but I need him to confirm or deny before I can write him off completely as town.

The maybe town-read is... iffy...
It has a similar basis to my townread on Oversoul (and by extension you), except in your case it seems a lot clearer.

[dramonic]

Do not massclaim.
Marquis is lying about his role.

[dramonic]

I cannot currently elaborate soul.
I have a theory, but I don't want to out it.

[dramonic]

Your role does not actually do any of these things Marquis.

[dramonic]

Oh gosh, you're so funny!

[dramonic]

He's trying to channel a drag queen I think.
It's not very good.

[dramonic]

I think so?
That wasn't my initial theory, but that's what it looks like now.

[dramonic]

oh.
I see.

Cephrir is town.

I'm pretty sure Soul's role was made by AP.
Confirm/deny?

TOWN LIST-
Tammy
Cephrir
Marquis
Soul

MAYBE TOWN-
Layla

[dramonic]

Actually just to confirm.
@Soul: PtCWHDTRAaMaBoNa3BHaD?

[dramonic]

how do you know our role name explicitly like that

My knowledge is absolute.

[dramonic]

does dramonic win if he assigns all players to the correct roles or something or guesses the scumteam

should i be worried about this

I'm mostly harmless.

[dramonic]

I mean, if I did need to assign players to their roles I'd just go along with Marquis' claim.

@Soul: I have your best interest in mind!

[dramonic]

@Soul: It's a lot easier to win with town. If I wanted a challenge I'd have picked a different role

[dramonic]

FWIW Soul, I don't KNOW what your role does. I know what your role is because you crumbed really hard <_<

EDIT: Yeah no lynching me is a waste of ressource for everyone.

[dramonic]

Tch, poor delively Ceph.

[dramonic]

I thought Marquis was your role initially, but it makes more sense for it to be you at this point :/

[dramonic]

I'm sorry?
It's not my fault

@Soul: No, and I agree, there wasn't even an SK option

[dramonic]

Well, yes and no.
I'm pretty dang sure that BB didn't design it, because I feel BB designed one of my other options.
I can't tell if this is a lapse in judgement from BRO or AP though :p

[dramonic]

I don't really have any. Your role is the only one as descriptive.

[dramonic]

yep :/

[dramonic]

Well, technically theres another more flavorish role I suppose, but yeah.

[dramonic]

I dont know how much info im willing to give. Town wins if I win, but it doesnt work the other way :/

[dramonic]

You are the so skeptical

[dramonic]

If I were the one with the autowin I wouldnt be such an ass to the 3rd party

[dramonic]

Id be more inclined to be transparent if I knew I could trust the town to not stab me in the back

[dramonic]

He is.
Are you?

[dramonic]

Im not

[dramonic]

You were faking a posting style that was draggesque yesterday and I know someone is a queen.
a muffin is town

Also a muffin is town

[dramonic]

Derp post preview sucks

[dramonic]

Soul you dont need that info

[dramonic]

Some flavor is revealing.

[dramonic]

Again, flavor will give you little Soul and you cant tell the mods from the role besides cases like yours where its incredibly obvious or the mod are magnificent bastards.

[dramonic]

Ebwop: your role is the only "personal experience" flavor.

Good example: a muffin's "we need a fifth (of vodka)". That is not mod indicative.

[dramonic]

Town: tammy, soul, muffin
Probably town: layla, ceph, marquis

@muffin: Do you think im wrong?

@llamarble: iffy

[dramonic]

Soul: working on it

[dramonic]

Llamarble, crumb to me? It can be obscure, ill figure it out.

[dramonic]

Ok.
Llamarble is town.

[dramonic]

Im sorry tammy. This game ends D4 and we're not mislynching

[dramonic]

Oh.

vote:layla

Dont lynch her yet, but shes scum

[dramonic]

Layla's role is "that sound velcro makes". She's an odd-night commutizer. Her alignment is scum.

Need anything else?

[dramonic]

I dont wanna lynch her yet tho.

[dramonic]

That's a bad deal layla. Even if i were an sk, if we lynch scum every day we'd hit 4p with 3 town and me lets town lynch me.
Of course you could just shoot me out of vindication.

[dramonic]

That plan also fall short because Im not an sk and thus cant shoot. Unless one of the weirder roles can kill people, im not that worried

[dramonic]

You are desperate for this Soul :p

[dramonic]

Here's the thing. I dont want to die.
I could probably orchestrate a town+me victory with no problem, but it requires mutual trust, because giving the win is easy for me, its making the town care for me that isnt :/

Soul: the issue with your plan is that it's useless.
This is an open setup for me.

@tammy: if i were an sk id just shut up and kill everyone. SK is awesome

[dramonic]

I was very curious how scum would react when confronted. This is not the approach I expected XD

EDIT: well yes, but that doesnt mean I cant just out your buddies. I gave your entire role, what makes you think i cant out your buddies too?

[dramonic]

Putting layla on the back burner, im more scared of the other two members of the scumteam

[dramonic]

I do?
Hey, if more people want to softclaim so I can break the game im cool with it.

Might as well come clean... im a survivor who knows all the roles, rolenames and alignments.

I want to be kept safe and in exchange i offer infinite knowledge.

[dramonic]

I haven't outed your buddies because i wanna see them try.
I know you have a block of all trade and a reactionary warmonger for buddies.
i know their role names as well
Try me.

[dramonic]

CHALLENGE MY KNOWLEDGE LAYLA

[dramonic]

Which part am i lying about Soul?

[dramonic]

You assume the town has powers of its own layla, im hoping we can keep me alive.
@Soul: i know what your role name and role is, but I dont know what it does. I can make an educated guess at most.

[dramonic]

*has no powers

[dramonic]

unvote

You're not today's lynch

[dramonic]

Good, cuz I wanna lynch the BoaT first

[dramonic]

Fuckin ninja, you just killed the joke

[dramonic]

Id like to see what pegasus and dinare think too.
I cant confirm them without crumbs.

...Are you trying to get modkilled?

[dramonic]

I sorta did.
Im still sad you killed the joke.

[dramonic]

Stop ninjaing me

[dramonic]

...lady cow?

[dramonic]

I can think of at least 2 roles that can protect me, possibly more depending on what BN, TM and C actually do.

[dramonic]

Ill ask those players to not out themselves though. Your roles are just a lot more nebulous than id like

[dramonic]

I can think of at least 2 roles that can protect me, possibly more depending on what BN, TM and C actually do.

I can think of at least 3 ways to kill you without it being stopped.

Do those take into account that your boat might be dead?

[dramonic]

Yo ceph, do you trust me enough to give me an obscure rolename reference yet? I think i know what you are but itd be nice to be sure

[dramonic]

Wait nevermind im dumb

[dramonic]

I think I broke her

[dramonic]

Yo ceph, do you trust me enough to give me an obscure rolename reference yet? I think i know what you are but itd be nice to be sure

no but i dont see the point in not

i have a modifier

Hm
Fair enough.
Itll do until conflicting evidence surfaces.

[dramonic]

Oh rly?

[dramonic]

Its not that obvious ceph.

mac and dinare are town.
marquis is approaching the point of no return

[dramonic]

Town:
Ceph
soul
Hyperion
Tammy
Llamarble
Dinare
Mac
Muffin

Unknown:
Marquis
Pegasus
zipper

Scum:
Layla

[dramonic]

Im curious about dinare's role but hes town so whatever

[dramonic]

That would be hilarious, but way too ez

[dramonic]

This information is not necessary Mac.
As ive trained explaining to Soul, his attempts to group the players into mod groups to find scum is the WIFOM version of me just saying who scum is with 100% accuracy

[dramonic]

Tried not trained.

Mac, is your modifier exactly what it sounds like? Because I dont understand its purpose if its what I can see on the wiki.

[dramonic]

Ill give the rest of the names after one of the three unclear player softs the final town role.
I want no possibility of CC

[dramonic]

Also I cant "leave the game". Id have to die or win. And if I win you do too.

EDIT: oki then. Drunk mods are drunk

[dramonic]

Hmmmmm
Initials would seal the deal

[dramonic]

Well im a survivor. I could win with scum if I wanted an uphill battle

... ive said it like 10 times

[dramonic]

Survivor is a role, not a manner of speech <_<

[dramonic]

10 points for creativity

[dramonic]

Ceph, i can break the game in town's favor, why would I choose to align with scum?

[dramonic]

Well im sorry layla?

[dramonic]

Town has a few tools too.

[dramonic]

Yeah but I wanna win too. The less info you have, the less likely you are to nk me successfully

[dramonic]

Ok, NOW marquis is town.
He also knows nothing about his role's flavor if he thinks its glamorous <_<

[dramonic]

That wouldnt work. Tammy's role would kill me if that was my role.

[dramonic]

Furthermore town has a redirector. If you're worried have him target me.

[dramonic]

Tammy isnt a treestump shes just voteless right now

[dramonic]

vote: zipper

This town is so rude :/

[dramonic]

My other two role options were some kind of psycho not-quite-cult-leader thing where I had to infect everyone but infection didnt actually change people's alignment, or some thing where I have to target a scum at night and lynch him the next day accurately.
Both absolutely dire to win with.

[dramonic]

I did not lie Soul.
Please find me an instance of lying instead of talking out of your ass.

[dramonic]

Well basically tammy, my role is apparently too powerful for some people's taste, so it warrants lynching me.
I DUNNO GURL!

[dramonic]

Like, at this point the only reason I haven't posted a list of everyone and their roles is because I know that scum has a decent chunk of blocks and I'd like to think key town members will be nice enough to protect me from their ire because regardless of who dies town wins anyways.

@Burgers: If that were my role I'd win already, I know what everyone is besides zipper and pegasus being interchangeable. <_<

[dramonic]

While I'm at it

@TAMMY:

note: he also is told all roles in the game and chooses from them each night

That wouldnt work. Tammy's role would kill me if that was my role.

Confirm my statement?

[dramonic]

Well, at this point we can't get more information. Everyone in the town has already softed hard enough for me to confirm them, and I STRONGLY doubt either of Pegasus or Zipper will be kind enough to tell me who they are individually.
One of em is the Block of all Trades, the other is the reactionary warmonger.
Id rather lynch either over a 1-shot communitzer.

[dramonic]

Unless Pegasus crumbed Shaka Zulu or Sally Salsbury at some point, we're at the highest info level we can get from scum.

[dramonic]

Oh wait Yes, you'd be wrong and revealed to everyone if that's what you mean by killing.

That`s what I meant yes.

THANK YOU <3

[dramonic]

Hey, I already have to deal with the deception of not getting a murderous third party role, don`t also take away my chance to win when it doesn`t hinder you

[dramonic]

So you`d rather believe instead I have a list of all roles in the game and in addition to that I have a kill and become deathproof upon using easy to gain information.

Frankly that doesn`t sound like "fixing" it.

[dramonic]

The other thing is if I could make myself deathproof like that, why wouldn`t I just kill someone BEFORE pulling this play?
Oversoul crumbed in his first post, it`s not like I`d need more than that.

[dramonic]

and/or lying about or at least misinterpreting "conftowns" and "final scums"

The one thing I`m worried about (besides dying) is what the fuck a reactionary warmonger does.
Cuz it sound like converty shit.

[dramonic]

huh, didnt mean to quote that.

[dramonic]

ooh, is it me?

[dramonic]

that would be hilarious if a scum member just pooped dayvigs.

[dramonic]

The Burgers of Llamarble - TM
dramonic - F
Soul2277 - Impossibly long abbreviation
A Muffin - WNAFOV
Mac - M
Tammy - TK
Hyperion - C
Cephrir - TC
Marquis - SW
Dinare - BN

something like that.

[dramonic]

THIS EXPLAINS SO MUCH!

[dramonic]

Tch, poor delively Ceph.

[dramonic]

I think BB made my role.

i have a modifier

That was sufficient really.
Although the fact you knew BB did your role while unaware of your flavour is amusing. I'm gonna assume it has to do with how your modifier works.

EDIT: OH DANG GIRL, THAT`S COLD!

[dramonic]

im kind of butthurt because i waited and waited for a game that looked good to come along and this is unfun and stupid

VOTE: zipper

I have another game in the making when Smite is over, join that

EDIT: Didn`t you win that game '_'

[dramonic]

I mean if you all really believe that survivor with no objective-oriented win condition that doesn't have any survival capability (it's quite obvious based on dram's posts) is a thing then I don't know what to say.

As opposed to a survivor with no objective-oriented win condition that HAS survival capabilities?
That would make my role even MORE broken '_'

[dramonic]

In epicmafia, werewolf kill is considered as a strongman kill, so no redirect or protect will stop his kill and the only thing that can stop his kill is a roleblock.

Strongman can be redirected.

[dramonic]

Welcome to mafiascum.

[dramonic]

How would you have that problem Dinare?
Your role is non-standard, how would you miss that you have a role name? '_'

[dramonic]

Ah

[dramonic]

I can imagine. My formatting is probably fucked up because I had options.

[dramonic]

That would be a nightmare <_<

[dramonic]

I'm currently chatting with the mod on Facebook, i think we'll be fine

On game stuff, if I could have a protection or two on me that'd be wonderful. If you dont trust me you can redirect me, otherwise redirecting one of the scum to the other (reminder that the scum are Layla and Pegasus) could be amusing. Either they'll no kill in fear or run a risk to shoot each other

[dramonic]

WIFOM.
Also layla is a commutizer, not a commuter.
She makes someone commute.

[dramonic]

Oh for the record.
In the 0.5% case scum had a list of the role names, someone coulda fakeclaimed since Zipper never actually posted.
If he flips not scum look at his initials and whoever has those in my list is scum.

[dramonic]

The Burgers of Llamarble - TM
dramonic - F
Soul2277 - Impossibly long abbreviation
A Muffin - WNAFOV
Mac - M
Tammy - TK
Hyperion - C
Cephrir - TC
Marquis - SW
Dinare - BN

something like that.

[dramonic]

Depending on role interaction/design, commuting your partner means you cant shoot and neither can he <_<

[dramonic]

Well, three if you count zipper.

[dramonic]

...Did Molla design Fate?

[dramonic]

The main problem with Fate wasn't only that I could just claim the scum.

A) I could claim the scum

with no fear of retribution

because town had ways to keep me alive. If town had no doc/redirector I wouldn't have claimed because getting spite-shot is against my wincon.
B) Flavour was very VERY unique for each role. The same role with no flavor and only roles coulda been more balanced because I couldnt just confirm scum on "something about velcro" or town on "meow". I'd have to completely out the PRs to catch scum in that instance, which is a LOT riskier. Still broken though.

It's a gambit to say "town, protect me plz", but a town who's win is assured is a nice town (except Ceph. He's a dick T_T)

[dramonic]

Re: Mini 1684: Shucking Bullfit Mafia

Sent: Sun Jun 07, 2015 3:14 am
by Angry Frat BROs

dramonic wrote:
Does Fate give me roles + players, or just roles?

More importantly, does Fate somehow stop me from calling for a massclaim day 1 and outing all three scum? <_<

Fate should give you a list of all role pms in the game. I'm drunk. But no.

:p

[dramonic]

I jest Cephrir. You should check out my MEGA RANT about survivors in Capcom Crossover Chaos XD

[dramonic]

Some of my quotes from that game:

Any survivor claim should be treated directly as a scum claim and culled.

Survivor is significantly more anti-town than SK.

The only benign survivor is a dead survivor.

:p

[dramonic]

I assumed you did, but then when you posted the role PM your list was the second and Fate was my second choice so *shrug*
Crapshooter did sound like something you'd design :p