Mini 1665: Papers, Please Mafia (Game Over)

[Ankamius]

hi

I've played with some of you before. Most I haven't.

There's no way in hell I'm fully integrating in two days, so if there's a specific incident that I should look into to get started at least, that would be helpful.

[Ankamius]

First thing that's interesting: Cheetory6's response to Otolia's 'slip'. He knows why.

[Ankamius]

I'm about halfway through Hito's ISO and I'm getting the feeling that he's trying to snipe posts. Something about it feels hollow.

[Ankamius]

Yeah, I don't like hito. Individual posts don't have any issues I can see, but the ISO as a whole doesn't feel town.

UNVOTE: Kop

[Ankamius]

Cheetory6: Yes, you do. You just saw (technically wrong since this was back in around December or so, but the game just ended a couple weeks ago) a scum get lynched day one because of a slip very similar to this. I'd have expected you to have

something

to say about it rather than just dismissing it entirely.

[Ankamius]

I have work at an awkward time today so it'll be a while until I can do stuff again, but I'm just going to say that I haven't read this elusive/cheetory thing and I don't plan to.

I acknowledge the two slots to ISO and will get to that tonight. If there's any other particular questions or requests, let me know.

[Ankamius]

jfc

[Ankamius]

Reck can you go into it for me please?

[Ankamius]

I have a pretty bad migraine from work today, so I'm going to skip on posting in games today. I'll get to this tomorrow.

[Ankamius]

Ankamius: Welcome, primarily what are your thoughts on Chaos' and Elusive's ISOs? Since those are the most likely lynches right now.

Getting to this now. I hope elusive's ISO isn't as wally as the last few pages have been. >_>

[Ankamius]

Yeah, I can see why Chaos is being wagoned. That slot's probably scum. I didn't even need to get past the 2/3 point in his ISO.

I'm really wary of elusive from the few quotes I saw in Chaos' ISO, but I'll take a closer look.

[Ankamius]

I'm getting scumvibes on literally every post elusive is making in the early game, which is my sign to stop as I clearly can't read him.

[Ankamius]

Sorry

[Ankamius]

Ankamius, I'm a she and also its hard for me to see how both Chaos and I could be scum together. It's possible he's town and so it's town vs. town but both of us scum is a bit weird, have your thoughts change at all as the game progresses?

Generally, unless I specifically state otherwise, all my scumreads are independent.

[Ankamius]

Mac I don't understand how you got that Hito's 99% town.

[Ankamius]

I'm null on Reck right now. I can't say that him not really doing anything is anything but dead null; I'll be able to read him better when I can see what kind of cases he makes.

[Ankamius]

I disagree with your assessment, yes.

I think Kop is toewn from that last post. Is there no chance of a last minute wagon on someone?

[Ankamius]

I'll get to this game tonight.

[Ankamius]

Why do you disagree and why is that Kop post town-looking? Because it doesn't seem to me as though it's town.

I stated earlier in my ISO why I was scumreading hito. Yeah it was vague and I didn't give specific examples, but it's there.

Nothing in that Kop post was scum intent. He had a very real chance of getting lynched and the only real way he could've survived past day 1 was trying to get ChaosOmega killed. What does he do instead? He decides to start attacking someone not voting for either wagon and one of the primary voters on his wagon that has basically no pressure on him. Both achieve absolutely nothing for him and actually serve to get even more attention onto him.

That's not cornered scum.

[Ankamius]

I'd have to look at stuff since I haven't really gotten into the game yet and my two main reads were on the dead guys.

[Ankamius]

those indicating strong town reads on hito and not being surprised by the death go in the suspect pile...

Fascinating.

Can you go into why for me?

[Ankamius]

What brought you to the conclusion that it is the case here?

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Dinare

[Ankamius]

Dinare's Wrong Song vote is really fake. If there's a bussing vote near the end of the wagon, it's here.

[Ankamius]

Can you look at interactions between the two to back you up?

I don't like Otolia's "pathetic" comment though when WrongSong was about to be lynched and he awkwardly tried to derail. So yeah.

Here's Dinare + Wrong Song interactions:

Dinare and Wrong Song have an early (page 5ish? roughly?) Q&A session that gets completely dropped. The only times they even mention each other is through second-hand quotes and one single mention of Wrong Song saying that he's going to get a read on Dinare (which never happens).

Then Dinare suddenly, out of nowhere, decides to sheep you (adding another separate reason, but I'm discounting it because it's a hugely stretched reason) and roll with the lynch.

Yeah, this is a bus vote.

[Ankamius]

Should I actually start giving a shit or are we just going to lolwagon while I'm not here for the third time in a row?

[Ankamius]

Consider my vote on Dinare anyway.

[Ankamius]

Did you ever explain why? I looked at Dinare in ISO.

Yes, I explained it yesterday. IIRC I only made like 3 posts yesterday, so.

Yes, let's not quick hammer anyone this time. I'm surprised at who's alive and who's not though. Ugh paranoia.

Go into more detail for me please.

[Ankamius]

No, I guess we're just going to mass lurk instead.

[Ankamius]

Here's Dinare + Wrong Song interactions:

Dinare and Wrong Song have an early (page 5ish? roughly?) Q&A session that gets completely dropped. The only times they even mention each other is through second-hand quotes and one single mention of Wrong Song saying that he's going to get a read on Dinare (which never happens).

Then Dinare suddenly, out of nowhere, decides to sheep you (adding another separate reason, but I'm discounting it because it's a hugely stretched reason) and roll with the lynch.

Yeah, this is a bus vote.

Yeah, looking through Wrong song's ISO, I can see a couple of things I should've picked up on as warning signs. Ah well, live and learn.

As for the lynch, you act as if I expected Untrod and Reckoner to both vote after I did.

I wanted to see what his response was to my calling him out on attempting to gain towncred(by saying what other people already agreed with, in a manner that made it look like he wrote it before he read Chaos claiming Inventor). It worked, sort of. It was luck that the quicklynch hit scum really.

I don't understand the bolded at all. My entire point is that you and Wrong Song basically ignored each other for the entire game before you came out of nowhere with a bizarre reason to vote him. It's irrelevant whether he gets quicklynched after that; the point is that you saw an opportunity to get some towncred from a sinking ship and you took it.

[Ankamius]

I'd probably put those two as the scumteam. If I'm wrong on one, sub in Untrod Tripod.

[Ankamius]

I've thrown my eggs on the counter. I think it's time you did the same.

[Ankamius]

Happy bday Dinare

Everyone: Scumlist and reasons. Go.

[Ankamius]

For fuck's sake.

VOTE: Dinare

[Ankamius]

Shame on you, every single town that isn't elusive.

If only one other player is going to put effort into this game now, I'm not going to waste my time trying.

[Ankamius]

Chaos is exempt, sorry.

[Ankamius]

Remind me to look at stuff later.

[Ankamius]

Are you going to elaborate and make a case, or are you just going to go "Person X could be scum..."

you will no when I make a case. You are within a realm of positions, votes, and engagement where you could be scum... you are at the top of the suspect list...

I've thrown my eggs on the counter. I think it's time you did the same.

It's been four days. It's long past time.

[Ankamius]

So you have no opinions or reads?

[Ankamius]

Can you point out the elusive interactions you're talking about for me?

[Ankamius]

PeaceBringer

You said you would make a case. Your entire "case" is incredibly vague and doesn't actually say anything, besides being pretty much exactly what you said when you made the "I will make a case" post.

Which one is it?

[Ankamius]

You really should try to make your phrases less ambiguous.

Either way, I'm going to completely discount your scumread until you go into what makes the interactions bad compared to everyone else anyways.

UNVOTE: Dinare

[Ankamius]

If you can get all the VCs out, I'll do some analysis of my own.

[Ankamius]

No. My read on Dinare was directly ported from day three.

[Ankamius]

No. My read on Dinare was directly ported from day three.

Ok, then why the unvote?

VOTE: Untrod Tripod

I'm mainly waiting for elusive, but I'm also juggling conspiracy theories in my head, so.

[Ankamius]

Sorry, I'll try to get to this game tomorrow if I'm awake enough after work, effort and all.

[Ankamius]

Yours

[Ankamius]

elusive are you sure VC 1.14 is right?

[Ankamius]

Actually, there's quite a few mistakes after that. You should start plugging all the VCs into a word processing program and doing a find-replace.

[Ankamius]

Why was ChaosOmega cleared again? This is important info.

[Ankamius]

Well, w/e

tl;dr: Dinare would be a good lynch to put day one into a lot more perspective and ChaosOmega shouldn't be so easily townread. Mac is also probably town.

[Ankamius]

I did analysis and posted the results, I just didn't post how I got there.

I'm okay with either UT or Dinare. I have a feeling that having one of them flip is going to break the game wide open.

[Ankamius]

Okay- I got a vig from Chaos last night. I took a shot at Anka. Anka is not dead. I will gather my thoughts on that in a second.

Really.

If anyone had anything to do with that, they should claim.

elusive: Unvote. We're not ready for a lynch yet.

[Ankamius]

Being on or off the Wrong Song wagon is pretty close to null, by the way.

[Ankamius]

I think the scumteam is PB and UT, but I really want to close any loose ends before commuting. The vig claim bugs me severely.

[Ankamius]

Okay, that makes it far less likely to be a scum gambit like I was expecting. I'll think a bit more after work

[Ankamius]

I was more thinking about how Chaos giving him a vig last night is really bizarre since his last read was pretty significantly waffling.

This isn't even going into why gigging is bad here in the first place.

[Ankamius]

Autocorrect can fuck off.

[Ankamius]

Oh my fucking god.

This is why you don't fucking vote in lylo when there's shit to say.

[Ankamius]

Whatever, not like quicklynches while I'm not here is new for this game.

[Ankamius]

I don't really know if I can say something here that wouldn't just descend into an engaged rant, so I'll just not.

[Ankamius]

But thanks for modding, Equi.

[Ankamius]

Nah, you were playing to your win condition. It wouldn't exactly be fair to be mad at someone for that.

[Ankamius]

Good game, everyone except that one bastard

heyyyyyyyyyyy

also, sorry to everyone for being a scummy scumfuck

I hate rolling scum

To be fair, the Hito+Reck kills N1 and N2 were kind of a red flag.

[Ankamius]

meh

This is the second time I've ever been mislynched without directly being 'incriminated' by roles. That's what I've taken from this game.

[Ankamius]

I don't think I'll add Peacebringer to the list of people who can mislynch me based on play alone since he didn't exactly need to convince anyone for that. Nachomamma8 remains the only one who has ever done it.

[Ankamius]

Why was I suggested for a kill n1? o_O